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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:28pm On Jan 27, 2019
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Any coach that cannot qualfy Nigeria for the AFCON deserves to be sacked! We cannot leave the development of the national team in the hands of such incompetent fellow! angry

I disagree because that is a small gain if in the long run, we are no way from being a quality side.

We need someone who in a stipulated amount of time can build us into a top quality side.

Let me give a far-fetched inference.

Imagine one coach who in ten years will qualify us for all the tournaments but will not win any and our play is dire.

And another who after ten years, fails to qualify us fir any tournament except the World Cup on the tenth year and end up winning the World Cup playing breath taking football.

Who do you think will benefit the country more in the long run?

We need a coach that can keep marching the team to play better and with time win games in breath taking fashion. That is how we get better. Not just looking at he qualified and celebrate it.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:29pm On Jan 27, 2019
Earthquake1:


Marching towards greatness with 148million spent over the year

Ok grin

Klopp is marching towards greatness Mourinho spent a fortune but the team was dire.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by maidaboi(m): 4:30pm On Jan 27, 2019
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grin Just like Joseph Akpala and Anthony Ujah were some of the hottest properties in Europe but they didn't know where the back of the nets were in the GWG.

Onyekuru better buckle up Josh Maja dey come o grin
not onyekuru but kelechi Iheanacho
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:30pm On Jan 27, 2019
Earthquake1:


All you are saying are appendeges truth is that both achieved success with thier respective styles

Note Guardiola has not built anything, he bought them

Not true. Most of the players under Guardiola are far better than they were when they joined the club. Even Delph, Aguero and De Bruyne who were there before he came have showed remarkable improvements.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake1: 4:37pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


Klopp is marching towards greatness Mourinho spent a fortune but the team was dire.

Mourinho's failure was due to personality clashes and players uncomfotability with his type of play

Ask Sean Dykes, Rafa Benitez, Roy Hodgson, Chris Hutton how defensive play helps them in the premier league

Damn Claudio Ranieri won the league with a defensive team
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:40pm On Jan 27, 2019
Earthquake1:


Mourinho's failure was due to personality clashes and players uncomfotability with his type of play

Ask Sean Dykes, Rafa Benitez, Roy Hodgson, Chris Hutton how defensive play helps them in the premier league

Damn Claudio Ranieri won the league with a defensive team

Small gains. I repeat small gains.

Show me those who built formidable top quality sides with their small gains compared to those who did built great sides playing offensively.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 4:41pm On Jan 27, 2019
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grin Just like Joseph Akpala and Anthony Ujah were some of the hottest properties in Europe but they didn't know where the back of the nets were in the GWG.

Onyekuru better buckle up Josh Maja dey come o grin

So you think playing 9 games and scroring 1 goal is a chanced akpala misused? Was akpala constantly called up by the coaches? how many match e start? Akpala wey coaches no believe in am
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake1: 4:42pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


Not true. Most of the players under Guardiola are far better than they were when they joined the club. Even Delph, Aguero and De Bruyne who were there before he came have showed remarkable improvements.

He bought most of his players around 50 million (showing they were already peaking or potentials)

That can't said to be building a team
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake1: 4:43pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


Small gains. I repeat small gains.

Show me those who built formidable top quality sides with their small gains compared to those who did built great sides playing offensively.

If winning the league is small gain, I'll rather have it
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 4:44pm On Jan 27, 2019
Humility017:

awww...I am really impressed.
these lad deserve a look in...and some here are still crying for Tammy Abraham the English international....

should some Africa countries have players of awoniyi and oshimen kind...they will definitely be in afcon commanding a starting berth...
even countries like Ghana
This is exactly my point. we should give those at our reach their chance before going for those beyond our reach
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:45pm On Jan 27, 2019
Earthquake1:


He bought most of his players around 50 million (showing they were already peaking or potentials)

That can't said to be building a team

Who was peak? Was Stones a World beater? Was Kyle Walker a World Beater? Laporte never got a national team call-up. Is Mendy the one that should guarantee a trophy?

There was a steady increase in the quality of every player. They all improved. Otamendi went from a defensive lynch pin to one of the best passing defenders around. Stones improved drastically. Sterling had people asking if he was the same player bought.

You can not buy such improvements with money.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:46pm On Jan 27, 2019
Earthquake1:


If winning the league is small gain, I'll rather have it

That is you. Look at where Leicester City is now and where Liverpool are in terms of play. I will choose Liverpool over Leicester City any day. Which will you choose?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 4:47pm On Jan 27, 2019
andrew444:


Agreed

Despite that i dont much like tammy, isnt he better than all out strikers at the moment?
IMO , if he is that good, then Chelsea should have recall him to take up their faulty striking position.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 4:48pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


I disagree because that is a small gain if in the long run, we are no way from being a quality side.

We need someone who in a stipulated amount of time can build us into a top quality side.

Let me give a far-fetched inference.

Imagine one coach who in ten years will qualify us for all the tournaments but will not win any and our play is dire.

And another who after ten years, fails to qualify us fir any tournament except the World Cup on the tenth year and end up winning the World Cup playing breath taking football.

Who do you think will benefit the country more in the long run?

We need a coach that can keep marching the team to play better and with time win games in breath taking fashion. That is how we get better. Not just looking at he qualified and celebrate it.

If the coach does not qualify for tournaments how best can he build the team naa? Don't Tell me friendlies because teams that qualfy for tournaments are the same ones that play friendlies more.

On the bolded I just dey laugh. Chai TheGoodJoe. So he didn't qualify for any tournament in 10years, while others are busy building their teams with top quality competitive games this ur imaginery coach and his team will be in hiding somewhere taking only drills morning, afternoon and night while their mates are busy with serious tournaments. TheGoodJoe!! Wake up!!!! grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 4:49pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


That is you. Look at where Leicester City is now and where Liverpool are in terms of play. I will choose Liverpool over Leicester City any day. Which will you choose?
kudos bro... I dey ur back

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by busky007: 4:50pm On Jan 27, 2019
Football I insist will be boring if all coaches are either attack minded or defence minded
I insist you can't play attacking football with the quality of our strikers and non existent midfield
So you mean we should play risky attacking football and end up giving it to an ighalo dat may do a yakubu on us or an Isaac dat score once in a blue moon
LAWD WE KANT
FADA LAWD WE KANT

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 4:51pm On Jan 27, 2019
mostob:
IMO , if he is that good, then Chelsea should have recall him to take up their faulty striking position.

Recall average player?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake1: 4:51pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


That is you. Look at where Leicester City is now and where Liverpool are in terms of play. I will choose Liverpool over Leicester City any day. Which will you choose?

Liverpool has spent up to 400 million since Klopp arrived and Leicester city has lost their key players so what are you talking about?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:52pm On Jan 27, 2019
Icon4s:


If the coach does not qualify for tournaments how best can he build the team naa? Don't Tell me friendlies because teams that qualfy for tournaments are the same ones that play friendlies more.

On the bolded I just dey laugh. Chai TheGoodJoe. So he didn't qualify for any tournament in 10years, while others are busy building their teams with top quality competitive games this ur imaginery coach and his team will be in hiding somewhere taking only drills morning, afternoon and night while their mates are busy with serious tournaments. TheGoodJoe!! Wake up!!!! grin

I used far fetched for you to get the point. It is an inference for you to see that big gain trumps small gains.

Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:53pm On Jan 27, 2019
Earthquake1:


Liverpool has spent up to 400 million since Klopp arrived and Leicester city has lost their key players so what are you talking about?

Liverpool has not one a Premier league trophy, Leicester City has. Which do you prefer?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 4:55pm On Jan 27, 2019
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Siasia was in charge for the whole of the 2012 AFCON qualfiers yet his attacking philosophy failed us. Before then the last time I withnessed Nigeria crashing out in an AFCON qualfiers was in 1985 ie qualfiers for the '86 AFCON in Ivory Coast.
Siasia is good but remember that we failed to qualify for 2012 due to Eguavoen inept against Guinea in Conakry.Oiseh left the team when it matter most in 2017 and Siasia took over.Pls give Siasia eagles job from the scratch and see a solid team.

Boss,point of correction,1986 AFCON was hosted by Egypt and i remember we lost to Zambia by 1 nil and drew at home in 1985 and this nailed our participation.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 4:58pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


I used far fetched for you to get the point. It is an inference for you to see that big gain trumps small gains.

Finito.

That cannot be a gain not to talk of being small or big. You stay away from competitive tournament for 10 years and u suddenly appear at the WC and be dreaming of winning it?

Where has it ever happened?

Look at the countries that have won the WC in the last 30 or 40 years and see how they had performanced in the competitions they took part in 10year period leading to that WC.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake1: 4:59pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


Who was peak? Was Stones a World beater? Was Kyle Walker a World Beater? Laporte never got a national team call-up. Is Mendy the one that should guarantee a trophy?

There was a steady increase in the quality of every player. They all improved. Otamendi went from a defensive lynch pin to one of the best passing midfielders around. Stones improved drastically. Sterling had people asking if he was the same player Guardiola bought.

You can not buy such improvements with money.

There is no doubt that Guardiola has improved his squad but it was not like he picked the players from the gutter, these guys were already potentials many clubs wanted but could not sign due to their heavy price tag

Sterling (50 million)
Sane(37 million)
Gabriel Jesus (30 million)
Bernado Silva (43 million)
Kyle Walker (45 million)
Mendy(50 million)
Laporte(55 million)
Ederson(30 million)

Essentially you could say he bought his way to success

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:00pm On Jan 27, 2019
Icon4s:


That cannot be a gain not to talk of being small or big. You stay away from competitive tournament for 10 years and u suddenly appears at the WC and be dreaming of winning it?

Where has it ever happened?

Look at the countries that have won the WC in the last 30 or 40 years and see how they had performanced in the competitions they took part in 10year period leading to that WC.

It is an inference. We would prefer winning the World Cup in the next ten years if it means giving up qualifying for tournaments.

I am not saying it is an ideal scenario it shows the essence of sacrifice of small gains for big gains.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake1: 5:01pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


Liverpool has not one a Premier league trophy, Leicester City has. Which do you prefer?

If Leicester spends 400 million then we could compare

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:02pm On Jan 27, 2019
Earthquake1:


There is no doubt that Guardiola has improved his squad but it was not like he picked the players from the gutter, these guys were already potentials many clubs wanted but could not sign due to their heavy price tag

Sterling (50 million)
Sane(37 million)
Gabriel Jesus (30 million)
Bernado Silva (43 million)
Kyle Walker (45 million)
Mendy(50 million)
Laporte(55 million)
Ederson(30 million)

Essentially you could say he bought his way to success

His current squad is above the quality he met. That is what matters. He did not buy the current quality he had but improved on what he bought.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:02pm On Jan 27, 2019
Earthquake1:


If Leicester spends 400 million then we could compare

No one would take such risk on such dire system of Puel.

Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake1: 5:03pm On Jan 27, 2019
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake1: 5:03pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


It is an inference. We would prefer winning the World Cup in the next ten years if it means giving up qualifying for tournaments.

I am not saying it is an ideal scenario it shows the essence of sacrifice of small gains for big gains.

You cannot miss Afcon and win the world cup

No be magic grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 5:03pm On Jan 27, 2019
andrew444:


Recall average player?
gbam! exactly my thought. .and some people here want us to go and prostrate and beg him to play for us.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 5:04pm On Jan 27, 2019
mostob:
This is exactly my point. we should give those at our reach their chance before going for those beyond our reach
don't mind my brethren here...
they're just wasting their time because that dude ain't playing for the super eagles...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:06pm On Jan 27, 2019
Earthquake1:


You cannot miss Afcon and win the world cup

No be magic grin

Inference, far-fetched. It is about getting the logic.

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