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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by alezzy13: 6:14pm On Jan 27, 2019
gentlemate00:
The election fever in Nigeria is not a child play however when its come to investment we have to look beyond some certain things in the polity and policy. I did Tbill last 2 weeks with 14.5% after my account was debited my upfront was around 4.3m, though i was worried but making money aint easy too. My point is naija no dey break go anywhere the Godfathers or elite are making lot of money from the entity called Nigeria. Election will come and go naija will remain.



@bolded, Lol. we hope soooo. My investments must be secure!!! cheesy However, I agree the fears of breakups are rather too alarmist; elites -including 'oga @dtop' - are feeding fat from the entity, they'll do anything thing to maintain the status quo

Interestingly, I just went trough GTBs outlook for the year and they are envisaging higher rates. Proposed minimum wage, election spending, borrowing to fund the budget deficit, etc will all put pressure on the naira.

Below is an excerpt:

We expect that short-term interest rates will rise to reflect the increased tightness in market liquidity, with implications for lending activities in the year and a slight rise in fixed income yields during the year to encourage the return of foreign portfolio investors and capital formation

We'll see as how it goes

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by HenryWilliams(m): 6:24pm On Jan 27, 2019
Quick question.
Can I have multiple transactions on a single account?
Eg. I wanna buy 91, 182 and 364 day tenor using one single account with sufficient funds?
GTB in mind.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by vexing(m): 6:26pm On Jan 27, 2019
HenryWilliams:
Quick question.
Can I have multiple transactions on a single account?
Eg. I wanna buy 91, 182 and 364 day tenor using one single account with sufficient funds?
GTB in mind.
Yes
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Gavrelino123: 6:33pm On Jan 27, 2019
HenryWilliams:
Quick question.
Can I have multiple transactions on a single account?
Eg. I wanna buy 91, 182 and 364 day tenor using one single account with sufficient funds?
GTB in mind.
Sure it will go.....I have nine TB with different tenures running concurrently with GTBANK..

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by LuzSp: 7:21pm On Jan 27, 2019
speak2lift:
Sighs.

1) https://sterlingbankng.com/personal/investment/

2) https://techpoint.africa/2018/05/31/introducing-i-invest-west-africas-first-treasury-bills-app/

3) https://nairametrics.com/2018/09/28/what-you-should-know-about-i-invest-the-first-treasury-bills-app-in-west-africa/

4) https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/sterling-bank-launches-new-mobile-app-i-invest.html

5) https://www.bellanaija.com/2018/06/100kisenough-download-i-invest-app/


Hi bro, I hope this is proof enough. These are excerpts from credible sources and the banks website itself. Also on the Techpoint page, it is explicitly stated that this solution is being regulated by Security and Exchange Commission of Nigeria.


If all these aren't convincing enough, then I guess I will just have to rest my case. I am not a marketer for sterling bank. I am simply trying to lay the facts right and to dispel the comparison between this solution (which explicitly states that the sole purpose is for customers interested in Treasury Bills) and MMM(which from the onset had zero business model).


Please do not let us deviate the thread. I think enough has been said already.

Cheers




I am mostly concerned about understanding how it works.
So this is what I understand from visiting the link someone shared a few pages earlier:
For a TB transaction to happen,
a customer has to move funds from whatever accounts they may have with whichever banks to an account (a kind of wallet) with the app,
the app managers present the customer with the available tenors and their rates and locks in the customer's funds with their choice, and
Sterling bank then executes the TB instructions of the app manager.

The was I see it is that the customer does not deal directly with the bank.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by LuzSp: 7:43pm On Jan 27, 2019
janga:


bidding urself at close to stop rate might possible fail and u hav to wait till next primary auction, its better to let them bid for u using their bank rate

I agree with Janga that allowing a bank bid for you, barring their bid failing (a rare occurrence), guarantees you a successful investment at a rate they would only be different from the CBN's stop rate in small amounts of the fractions (of course you would have to pitch your tent with a bank that historically delivers such rates).

A risk involved in biding for yourself is that you have only previous stop rates (and maybe some news reports on TB-related matters) to guide you, unless you have something else that will further improve the likelihood that you bid rate will be closer or equal to the next stop rate.

In summary, there is the high risk of:
- making great gain should your bid rate be higher than your bank's, or
- making less gain should your bid rate be less than your bank's, or
- gaining nothing and losing time should your bid rate be higher that the CBN's eventual stop rate and having to wait another two weeks
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Ibrahim505(m): 8:23pm On Jan 27, 2019
LuzSp:


I am mostly concerned about understanding how it works.
So this is what I understand from visiting the link someone shared a few pages earlier:
For a TB transaction to happen,
a customer has to move funds from whatever accounts they may have with whichever banks to an account (a kind of wallet) with the app,
the app managers present the customer with the available tenors and their rates and locks in the customer's funds with their choice, and
Sterling bank then executes the TB instructions of the app manager.



The was I see it is that the customer does not deal directly with the bank.
It's simple and self explanatory if you have studied treasury bills and investment using mobile applications.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 8:37pm On Jan 27, 2019
speak2lift:



Hi Bro,

This is really bad and am suspecting that this is as a result of knowledge gap.

I will advise you send a mail directly to their customer care line. The person that attended to you could even be a newbie who is still learning on the job.

And if after sending a mail and you still don't get favourable response, dont even worry. I am aware that cbn has a web portal where all you need to do is make a complaint and they will swoop right into action. Banks dont like it when CBN intervenes cause its not always funny for them. Its a very easy process to get CBN involved. I will ask my friend for the url of the cbn portal and paste it here as soon as I get it.

Cheers Man



Why couldn't they credit my account and left my money for over 3 weeks without interest. I called them and complained and all they told me was my transfer didn't get to them. I went to my bank and they said money arrived destination so they can't do anything from their end, that I should go to Sterling Bank being thy e receiving bank. At Sterling I was told they can't access I-invest account, I should get to them and they are they telling me that my money didn't arrive. Meaning they had money in their account they didn't know the source and yet I was complaining and yet they told me they have not seen my money. It was only when I threatened my bank that they initiated a complain with central bank. 2 days after I got a call from I-invest apologized and promised to pay the interest, I guess that was the directive from central Bank but my money was paid back without interest and I said good bye to them. That was the end of the test period. If you will appreciate more than 3 weeks of your funds missing and the feelings surrounding such issues then you wouldn't ask anybody to go there.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ready4glory: 9:27pm On Jan 27, 2019
Hello good people, please, is the Tbill Investment Advice same thing as the Tbill Certificate?
I did a 3 month TBill in December and I was only given a white paper named Investment Advice. Are they the same?
If not, how do I get the certificate?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by hollerbaby: 10:04pm On Jan 27, 2019
Did regular commercial banks say they are tired of bidding on our behalf?.
Abeg let anyone who is using
I-invest continue. Me i-stanbic and i- gtb as usual. Make my small change no go i-fly away biko.
#enoughwithdadvert

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Agbaletu: 10:12pm On Jan 27, 2019
hollerbaby:
Did regular commercial banks say they are tired of bidding on our behalf?.
Abeg let anyone who is using
I-invest continue. Me i-stanbic and i- gtb as usual. Make my small change no go i-fly away biko.
#enoughwithdadvert
Lol

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by gentlemate00: 11:38pm On Jan 27, 2019
I will submit another Tbil with my bank these week at 15% Stanbic. Nothing go break naija na just noise.




alezzy13:


@bolded, Lol. we hope soooo. My investments must be secure!!! cheesy However, I agree the fears of breakups are rather too alarmist; elites -including 'oga @dtop' - are feeding fat from the entity, they'll do anything thing to maintain the status quo

Interestingly, I just went trough GTBs outlook for the year and they are envisaging higher rates. Proposed minimum wage, election spending, borrowing to fund the budget deficit, etc will all put pressure on the naira.

Below is an excerpt:



We'll see as how it goes

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Gavrelino123: 12:54am On Jan 28, 2019
hollerbaby:
Did regular commercial banks say they are tired of bidding on our behalf?.
Abeg let anyone who is using
I-invest continue. Me i-stanbic and i- gtb as usual. Make my small change no go i-fly away biko.
#enoughwithdadvert
Lolzzz....you know it right.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by chukzyfcbb: 2:27am On Jan 28, 2019
Gavrelino123:

hmmm....i-invested marketers....
I'm an Auditor,and i work with KPMG,i have asked my boss severally about this i-investment stuff...She told me to stay clear from it,that you should have someone to hold if your investment fails and not just an unclear application investment process.....Hence,if there's an error,how who would you hold responsible,,;Sterling bank.?
I will personally advice all investors to follow the normal manual-procedure in investing in TB that is recordnized by CBN and insured by NDIC..
Go to the bank yourself and submit your written instructions yourself,if you want to invest in TB.
Avoid all these FastTrack methods!!!
Investing in TB should give one peace of mind...not being under tension for 364 days......omo na die be that ooo.
it's what technology is doing to us these days. its making us lazy and making everything more dangerous.

what would it cost Mr A/Mrs B to walk to the bank get the rates and pen down his/her request. For me, i thinm that i-invest initiative was targeted at the low income earners.

I can't imagine someone with 1million naira investing in Tbills via I-invest app. Too much laziness and risk on that persons part

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by RealityShot: 3:00am On Jan 28, 2019
chukzyfcbb:

it's what technology is doing to us these days. its making us lazy and making everything more dangerous.

what would it cost Mr A/Mrs B to walk to the bank get the rates and pen down his/her request. For me, i thinm that i-invest initiative was targeted at the low income earners.

I can't imagine someone with 1million naira investing in Tbills via I-invest app. Too much laziness and risk on that persons part
exactly!

i have tried my best to talk people off this.


imagine loosing N1milion to some silly Hacker or glitch on the app..then they will know what am talking about.

am a computer analyst and instructor. I will not say more on this.

those who are too lazy to go to bank and are too lazy to understand how apps work and are too lazy to remember that Chinese hackers can hack US companies from China should go ahead and use the app!


i don't even use bank apps talkless of crap app for investing.. VERY EASY HACKER TARGET

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by cooldudeng(m): 7:29am On Jan 28, 2019
With a good bank and also an equally good account officer, you literally don’t even need to step into the bank

I just scan through my instructions after email correspondences

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Just2endowed2(m): 9:30am On Jan 28, 2019
RealityShot:
exactly!

i have tried my best to talk people off this.


imagine loosing N1milion to some silly Hacker or glitch on the app..then they will know what am talking about.

am a computer analyst and instructor. I will not say more on this.

those who are too lazy to go to bank and are too lazy to understand how apps work and are too lazy to remember that Chinese hackers can hack US companies from China should go ahead and use the app!


i don't even use bank apps talkless of crap app for investing.. VERY EASY HACKER TARGET

hmmm
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ready4glory: 10:00am On Jan 28, 2019
ready4glory:
Hello good people, please, is the Tbill Investment Advice same thing as the Tbill Certificate?
I did a 3 month TBill in December and I was only given a white paper named Investment Advice. Are they the same?
If not, how do I get the certificate?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Just2endowed2(m): 11:12am On Jan 28, 2019
anyone with the secondary rate and also date for primary market
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by dipoolowoo: 11:50am On Jan 28, 2019
Investors Anticipate Further Hike in Stop Rates at Wednesday’s N255b PMA
https://businesspost.ng/2019/01/28/investors-anticipate-further-hike-in-stop-rates-at-wednesdays-n255b-pma/
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 11:54am On Jan 28, 2019
Just2endowed2:
anyone with the secondary rate and also date for primary market

Left stanbic with 14.1% for 263 days maturing on 17th October, 2019
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Damitimo: 11:56am On Jan 28, 2019
I just submitted my TB form for primary market with First Bank this morning.

I really hope they can bid as high as GTbank this time.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Just2endowed2(m): 11:58am On Jan 28, 2019
Barrytone:


Left stanbic with 14.1% for 263 days maturing on 17th October, 2019

was that the only secondary tenure rate available
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Chuksgeo: 12:11pm On Jan 28, 2019
HenryWilliams:
Quick question.
Can I have multiple transactions on a single account?
Eg. I wanna buy 91, 182 and 364 day tenor using one single account with sufficient funds?
GTB in mind.

Hi I am interested in the 91 days term , please how can I get involved, I also own an account at GT bank,
thanks.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by chigozienan: 12:20pm On Jan 28, 2019
pls how is TB with access bank as in rates. They are my banker so want to know if I can a good deal with them
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 12:21pm On Jan 28, 2019
Just2endowed2:


was that the only secondary tenure rate available

That suits my desire, didn't ask for others. Have others maturing that same day. Hoping to wrap them up then. If available I will still pick that next time I go.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by nonnycn12: 1:18pm On Jan 28, 2019
gentlemate00:
Exactly! I will submit another one on monday my account officer told me the 364 Day is 15% Stanbic.

And i just applied for a 268 dsy tenor at FBN for 13.8% cry
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by CompareDBest: 6:14am On Jan 29, 2019
chigozienan:
pls how is TB with access bank as in rates. They are my banker so want to know if I can a good deal with them

Depends on the Tenure you have in mind, and whether you are asking about Primary or Secondary Market.

For example, assuming Secondary Market, we know AccessBank offered 13.25%p.a. for 309 days on 23rd Jan. However, for tenures above 300 days a number of other banks had rates 14%p.a. and above. Since the last primary market auction held 16th Jan, the top 5 we saw included rates from GTB (seen on this thread), Wema, UBA, Union and Stanbic.

Some examples:
Wema 17th Jan - 273 days @ 14.83% (Wema typically offers many tenors)
UBA 24th Jan - 252 days @ 14%...350 days @ 14.5% etc. (2 others exist in that range)
Union 28th Jan - 255 days @ 14%...353 days @ 14.25% etc. (2 others exist in that range)
Stanbic 28th Jan - 263 days @14.1%

Always verify with your bank before jumping ship as rates move daily. However, it's good to know your options...with TBills, it is ok for your money to be a fickle friend, all roads lends it to the same FGNigeria.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by CompareDBest: 6:41am On Jan 29, 2019
Chuksgeo:


Hi I am interested in the 91 days term , please how can I get involved, I also own an account at GT bank,
thanks.

You are lucky then, as tenures close to 91 days are widely available in GTB and other banks, and you do not have to lose out on rates as they will be close to or even better than the last 91 days primary stop rate (11%, https://www.cbn.gov.ng/rates/govtsecurities.asp). There are 2 ways, taking GTBank as our example:

1. Primary Market: there are typically 2 auctions a month held every other Wednesday. Go to branch or email your account officer or gtconnect@gtbank.com for help if you cannot make it today, preferably by 1pm (giving allowance for waiting/queuing), as the next auction is on 30th Jan. It is not clear what their minimum is as you might be told N500k, but some customers here argue it can be as low as N100k. This amount and deductions need to be in your account for the ready. Your email should include the duration and amount you are interested in investing.

2. Secondary Market: as before, ensure your account is funded, then go to branch or email your account officer and request available tenures and rates for the day. You should be able to choose and get debited same day. This is typically available 10am to 2pm (1pm to be safe) on working days.

PS: In a branch, you might need to ask for Treasury (Bills) or Currency Trading desk/unit if helpdesk think you are speaking another language. If they cant help, or insist Fixed Deposit is the best thing since sliced bread/pure water, contact your account officer or GTConnect https://www.gtbank.com/help-centre/contact-us.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by purityval(m): 7:19am On Jan 29, 2019
Hi good morning great minds.

I have been a low key learner in this group and believe me the knowledge here is amazing.

I have decided to put my learnings to work but overtime I haven’t seen anyone investing with zenith bank or talking about their rates.

Is it that Zenith doesn’t perform better in Tbills or what?

Please knowledgeable ones or anybody investing with Zenith bank should clarify my doubts please.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Pascopele: 9:08am On Jan 29, 2019
Please, can I have you email
gentlemate00:
I will submit another Tbil with my bank these week at 15% Stanbic. Nothing go break naija na just noise.




Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by amjustme2: 9:28am On Jan 29, 2019
FBN will not fail so amaze me any day.
Dropped an application yesterday for Wednesday's auction.
I was debited almost immediately, while I was still in the bank premises.
grin grin grin grin grin

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