rvp20183:
Next time you open a PROFOUD LINK learn to interpret the data.
https://tradingeconomics.com/kenya/government-revenues?continent=g20

[img]https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/kenya-government-revenues?continent=g20.png&s=kenyagovrev&v=201902041551a1[/img]
Let me help. In the first 5 months of 2018 - KRA had collected 6.3B dollars that you're quoting.

2018 KRA collected 15B dollars as taxes.

Then add another 4-5B dollars collected as AIA - these include fines, fees, license that gov collects from judiciary, gov agencies, parastals and etc.

Total Kenya revenues including counties are 20B dollars. About 20% of it's GDP. Lagos , the 35 other states and federal gov plus oil struggles to get there.

Firstly- do you now accept the fact that lagos tax systems is far more robust than that of Nairobi, reasons been that its generates far more revenue in land charges,advertisements and others forms of taxation. If not, you could still go ahead in providing "Google searched" figures to support your claims.?.
secondly - how much do you think lagos (and other states) generates from its IGR and not from federal ports,federal Airports, federal roads, Federal electricity other federal government sources of income .?
Man , u must be insane to compare Kenya with lagos and not even Nigeria at a large.

Questions questions questions…
Africans answer ths:
1. Why is Malaysian (an extreme religions country )ahead of shhle Africa
2. why is UAE guys who practice Wahhabism is ahead of sht Africa…
3. Why North Ireland ..guys who got gang membership based on whether catholic or protestant are ahead of ah Africa.
4. why is Nigeria who got oil an religion can’t compare with Saudi peeps.
5. Why is Sub-Sahara down there compared to more religions north Africans..

I highly doubt religion is the course of poverty in Africa..Lets just say we lazy bums..
Look at Kenya .Tribalism precedes religion (have seen niggaz lynch other church members coz they belong to the wrong tribe).Same as Rwanda. Nothing there was about religion..
I am highly tempted to go genetics on the matter of Africa development.

I think we are yet to reach that conclusion yet. Nairobi county is constrained to tax. Therefore we can only compare what Nairobi is allowed to collect and see how it measures to your mega slumpolis. I'll get there with help of google.

As regards Nigeria and Kenya. You can sum up your states IGR and Federal IGR - and compare it Kenya National & County Budget.

I have done it - and roughly - even with Oil - Nigeria revenues are about equal to Kenya.

Which is such a shame considering your gov revenues gathers for nearly 200M people.

68816419:

Firstly- do you now accept the fact lagos tax systems is far more robust than that of Nairobi, reasons been that its generates far more revenue in land charges,advertisements and others forms of taxation. If not you Can still go ahead in providing "Google searched" figures.?.
secondly - how much do you think lagos alone (and other states) generates from its IGR and not from federal ports,federal Airports, federal roads, Federal electricity other federal government sources of income .?
Man , u must be insane to compare Kenya with lagos and not even Nigeria at a large.

tylann:

Kenya too is trying to change it is curriculum from exam oriented to practical oriented or something like that

we have many obstacles. Even if you want to teach yourself with YouTube videos, our telecom drives you crazy.

Every year, we have some thing called science fair. It's time to show your experiment. 99% of the experiments displayed are exact copies from internet.

No one reason can explain why Africa is poor.I think the best I can think about is Africa is poor because it's poor. Everyone began poor. Then countries make effort to grow richer and better. Some African countries are slowly becoming richer and better. Malayasia was very poor until recently. UAE and whole of middle east was poor as lates as 1950s - the only economic activity there was raising camels. Nobody knew that behind the dry desert laid lakes of oil buried underground.

Some countries grow richer quickly by hitting a mega jackpot of natural resources. Others have to work their butt and slowly crawl out of poverty.Some few countries somehow manages to grown rich and then poor again.

mtisTheQubit:
Questions questions questions…
Africans answer ths:
1. Why is Malaysian (an extreme religions country )ahead of shhle Africa
2. why is UAE guys who practice Wahhabism is ahead of sht Africa…
3. Why North Ireland ..guys who got gang membership based on whether catholic or protestant are ahead of ah Africa.
4. why is Nigeria who got oil an religion can’t compare with Saudi peeps.
5. Why is Sub-Sahara down there compared to more religions north Africans..

I highly doubt religion is the course of poverty in Africa..Lets just say we lazy bums..
Look at Kenya .Tribalism precedes religion (have seen niggaz lynch other church members coz they belong to the wrong tribe).Same as Rwanda. Nothing there was about religion..
I am highly tempted to go genetics on the matter of Africa development.

rvp2018:
No one reason can explain why Africa is poor.I think the best I can think about is Africa is poor because it's poor. Everyone began poor. Then countries make effort to grow richer and better. Some African countries are slowly becoming richer and better. Malayasia was very poor until recently. UAE and whole of middle east was poor as lates as 1950s - the only economic activity there was raising camels. Nobody knew that behind the dry desert laid lakes of oil buried underground.

Some countries grow richer quickly by hitting a mega jackpot of natural resources. Others have to work their butt and slowly crawl out of poverty.Some few countries somehow manages to grown rich and then poor again.

Pity they were doing that while part of Africa was already developed in a way..i saw a documentary on UAE an was extremely interesting. Sometimes I don’t know whether to go with Kikuyu conspiracies or just say Africa is cursed is a way..

Africa time will come. Nigeria though is cursed in a way. How can you explain them hitting oil jackpot at same time with middle east and remaining as poor as Niger or Chad. Botswana definitely made it's diamond count.

mtisTheQubit:

Pity they were doing that while part of Africa was already developed in a way..i saw a documentary on UAE an was extremely interesting. Sometimes I don’t know whether to go with Kikuyu conspiracies or just say Africa is cursed is a way..

rvp2018:
I think we are yet to reach that conclusion yet. Nairobi county is constrained to tax. Therefore we can only compare what Nairobi is allowed to collect and see how it measures to your mega slumpolis. I'll get there with help of google.

As regards Nigeria and Kenya. You can sum up your states IGR and Federal IGR - and compare it Kenya National & County Budget.

I have done it - and roughly - even with Oil - Nigeria revenues are about equal to Kenya.

Which is such a shame considering your gov revenues gathers for nearly 200M people.

Can you please try to be a truthful matching for once instead of what you r known for.? hahah

Nairobi county has 178 revenue streams with the top five being land rates, parking fees, single business permits, building permits, billboards and adverts (same as Lagos). so the county generates revenue from all other revenue streams and is not constraint to any tax at all, The only issues with your tax systems is the massive corruption associated with it and nothing else,your previous adminstration earned far more revenue than the current guys but the reverse has been for Lagos.
lagos taxes systems was very bad some 16 years back but now improving massively.

Please Go through the graph below and tell me if your country and not nairobi could catch up with Lagos in taxation IGR knowing fully well of the mega states/private project under construction in the state , projects such as Dangote refinery,Lekki free trade, deep sea ports, light rail, Brt expansion, New ports , New cities (orange island,eco Atlantic....) and many more.
Its virtually impossible for kenya and Nairobi to catch up with Lagos in the next 200 years.

mtisTheQubit:
Questions questions questions…
Africans answer ths:
1. Why is Malaysian (an extreme religions country )ahead of shhle Africa
2. why is UAE guys who practice Wahhabism is ahead of sht Africa…
3. Why North Ireland ..guys who got gang membership based on whether catholic or protestant are ahead of ah Africa.
4. why is Nigeria who got oil an religion can’t compare with Saudi peeps.
5. Why is Sub-Sahara down there compared to more religions north Africans..

I highly doubt religion is the course of poverty in Africa..Lets just say we lazy bums..
Look at Kenya .Tribalism precedes religion (have seen niggaz lynch other church members coz they belong to the wrong tribe).Same as Rwanda. Nothing there was about religion..
I am highly tempted to go genetics on the matter of Africa development.

Maybe the african genetics are stupid

rvp2018:
Africa time will come. Nigeria though is cursed in a way. How can you explain them hitting oil jackpot at same time with middle east and remaining as poor as Niger or Chad. Botswana definitely made it's diamond count.

Botswana did well but Nigeria is a special case

mtisTheQubit:


Pity they were doing that while part of Africa was already developed in a way..i saw a documentary on UAE an was extremely interesting. Sometimes I don’t know whether to go with Kikuyu conspiracies or just say Africa is cursed is a way..

Kikuyu conspiracies can explain better
Africa is not cursed
Who cursed us anyway

JaceBlaze:
I hear you,but I still think we should prepare a ring for that Kenya vs SA for the main event this Nigeria vs Kenya has now become redundant with recycling of pics.

-Lionessza6
-TMKsouth
-Ranch2000

-IronGalaxy

come out of hiding,we are going to war

Bring it on
Kenya will be floored badly

Nairobi & all kenya counties are not allowed to levy a penny of taxes. When that registered through your thick nigerian bonehead - we can go to revenue stream comparisons. Lagos makes most of it's money from PAYE - personal income tax.

DO we need to define what tax is and is not. Even national gov of kenya distinguish btw taxes - and stuff like fines levied by judiciary (AIA).

It very hard for you guys to get basic concept because you gov spend very little on your education and you ended up a slowpoke basically.

68816419:

Can you please try to be a truthful matching for once instead of what you r known for.? hahah

Nairobi county has 178 revenue streams with the top five being land rates, parking fees, single business permits, building permits, billboards and adverts (same as Lagos). so the county generates revenue from all other revenue streams and is not constraint to any tax at all, The only issues with your tax systems is the massive corruption associated with it and nothing else,your previous adminstration earned far more revenue than the current guys but the reverse has been for Lagos.
lagos taxes systems was very bad some 16 years back but now improving massively.

Please Go through the graph below and tell me if your country and not nairobi could catch up with Lagos in taxation IGR knowing fully well of the mega states/private project under construction in the state , projects such as Dangote refinery,Lekki free trade, deep sea ports, light rail, Brt expansion, New ports , New cities (orange island,eco Atlantic....) and many more.
Its virtually impossible for kenya and Nairobi to catch up with Lagos in the next 200 years.

KENYA
MODERN PUBLIC MARKET
Construction of the new Westlands market situated near Oil-libya that is at 85% complete. It will be exclusively for SME's(Small medium enterprises)

Awesome. I thought it was a dam after they seem to abandoned constructions. I also see the curios market down there is gone. Nairobi need to put up modern markets. Marikiti should cease to exist and Gikomba should be razed down. Then you got flirty on the street markets of Kangemi, Githurai. Those needs to be proper farmers market.

Kenyanstar:
KENYA
MODERN PUBLIC MARKET
Construction of the new Westlands market situated near Oil-libya that is at 85% complete. It will be exclusively for SME's(Small medium enterprises)

Kenyanstar:
KENYA
MODERN PUBLIC MARKET
Construction of the new Westlands market situated near Oil-libya that is at 85% complete. It will be exclusively for SME's(Small medium enterprises)

How about gikomba market i heard they were constructing it ama tu ni chocha za kawaida

rvp2018:
Nairobi & all kenya counties are not allowed to levy a penny of taxes. When that registered through your thick nigerian bonehead - we can go to revenue stream comparisons. Lagos makes most of it's money from PAYE - personal income tax.

DO we need to define what tax is and is not. Even national gov of kenya distinguish btw taxes - and stuff like fines levied by judiciary (AIA).

It very hard for you guys to get basic concept because you gov spend very little on your education and you ended up a slowpoke basically.

so have you now accepted the fact that Lagos have better revenue in those five areas of your Nairobi revenue streams?
If not prove me wrong by providing "Google searched" links to support ur claims?

Isn't most of it really road and riparian reserves. Gov should not legalize such illegalities. Yes I think they are re-building the part that was razed down to be a bit modern. Umoja had a big farmers market - constructed as part of expansion of outer-ring road.

tylann:

How about gikomba market i heard they were constructing it ama tu ni chocha za kawaida

rvp2018:
Awesome. I thought it was a dam after they seem to abandoned constructions. I also see the curios market down there is gone. Nairobi need to put up modern markets. Marikiti should cease to exist and Gikomba should be razed down. Then you got flirty on the street markets of Kangemi, Githurai. Those needs to be proper farmers market.

Muthurwa market should be nuked that place needs to be nuked from existence that place is filthy

We would have gotten there long time ago but you keep raising superfluous issues and I have to first breakdown basic concepts to you before I go find LAGOS revenues breakdown. That is why this thread is long. Nigeria are so bone-headed - if kenyans were engaging each other - then you can be sure people easily get complex concepts. Nigeria - ohoo boy.

68816419:


so have you now accepted the fact that Lagos have better revenue in those five areas of your Nairobi revenue streams?
If not prove me wrong by providing "Google searched" links to support ur claims?

Kenyanstar:
KENYA
MODERN PUBLIC MARKET
Construction of the new Westlands market situated near Oil-libya that is at 85% complete. It will be exclusively for SME's(Small medium enterprises)

with all that, all your counties could only generates less than $230m? hahah

rvp2018:
Isn't most of it really road and riparian reserves. Gov should not legalize such illegalities. Yes I think they are re-building the part that was razed down to be a bit modern. Umoja had a big farmers market - constructed as part of expansion of outer-ring road.

Gikomba market should be demolished
The govt should build a modern market at gikomba
Like that one in nyeri town

Yes they need to really re-generated the whole of that place all the way to Jericho. I think this is part of Uhuru Housing Agenda. Turn over all that land to Chinese...so they can build modern housing and estates.

tylann:

Muthurwa market should be nuked that place needs to be nuked from existence that place is filthy

rvp2018:
We would have gotten there long time ago but you keep raising superfluous issues and I have to first breakdown basic concepts to you before I go find LAGOS revenues breakdown. That is why this thread is long. Nigeria are so bone-headed - if kenyans were engaging each other - then you can be sure people easily get complex concepts. Nigeria - ohoo boy.

how long would it takes u to find what lagos generates from those five revenue streams and compare them with Nairobi?

Depends. Let me try now. Hold your breath.

68816419:

how long would it takes u to find what lagos generates from those five revenue streams and compare them with Nairobi?

Justnotyou:


Genetics isn't as fixed as you're implying, especially between races, its much more deep than that, imagine some kalenjins are good in long races does it imply all east Africans or even all kalenjins are naturally that good? you think there aren't a bunch of white people that score poorly in those tests? Genetics matter a lot in IQ results you can't have a Tesla from some low IQ inbred parents it just can't happen.

Could you elaborate this statement? I'm still confused even after reading it 5 times.

tylann:

How about gikomba market i heard they were constructing it ama tu ni chocha za kawaida

only God knows when that small Westland market project would be completed, a small project of such is taking decades to be completed, no wonder konza,tatu cities can never progress rapidly and will never be completed .
one starts to believe that Black-Kenyans are really cursed .

Here we go with MegaSlumPolis.IGR - majority is PAYE - Lagos is allowed to levy 12 taxes - Personal Income Tax,Withholding Tax (from individuals only), Capital Gains Tax (individuals only) and Stamp Duties - PAYE alone constitute nearly half of all IGR.

On average, 64.8% of IGR for Lagos statecame from PAYE between 2010 and 2016.

We are not interested in that.Nairobi PAYE would be crazy figure but they are not allowed to levy it.

Lagos States - IGR (2015 I think) - Non-tax (other revenues) -roughly 20% of IGR - 75B naira - roughly 20B Kshs - roughly 200M.

So before we even proceed we can compare Lagos 200M against 130M - for around the same period.

References:http://yourbudgit.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/LAGOS-STATE-DATA-BOOK.pdf

rvp2018:
Depends. Let me try now. Hold your breath.

can't wait bro, make sure u get the latest figures and I promise you shall have mental shift on how you knw Lagos.hahah

rvp2018:
Africa time will come. Nigeria though is cursed in a way. How can you explain them hitting oil jackpot at same time with middle east and remaining as poor as Niger or Chad. Botswana definitely made it's diamond count.

To speak the truth the middle east guys had more social issues than Nigeria...i really dont know what happened to our brothers...Was it deliberate or nature just took its course

tylann:

Maybe the african genetics are stupid

like Clinton used to say .Economy is stupid so goes our genes eh

Comparing apples with apples. Nairobi and Lagos - other "taxes".
Lagos
2015 - 200M dollars - 75B Naira - Kshs 20B
2016 - half year of 58M dollars(5.8Kshs - 21B Naira) - the recession was so hard and there was no oil windfall.

You can bet in 2016 - Nairobi county collect more revenues from rates/fees/license than LAGOS - the 20M strong slumpolis.

We will hunt figures for 2017 and 2018 shortly
http://yourbudgit.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/LAGOS-STATE-DATA-BOOK.pdf