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Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by Martinez39(m): 10:47pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
budaatum:My point was that in a socialist state, wealth is equally distributed. A doctor would be paid the same as a janitor. Do you think that's right? |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by budaatum: 10:50pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
Martinez39: Those who contributed more or were vital to achieving a particular aim do get more! Or where else did they get the resources with which they did more if they were not given more? I have deep regard for you! What do you mean, "you don't know"? |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by GenSpecifics: 10:51pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
budaatum: Socialism is in effect soft p0rn when consider alongside Communism (hard core) Socialism is just the revamped and modernized form of communism towards making it more palative to the ignorant. Communism is the tree and socialism is its vile fruit 1 Like |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by budaatum: 10:52pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
Martinez39:A doctor is not paid the same as a janitor in a socialist state and wealth is not equally distributed! Your point is incorrect! 1 Like |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by GenSpecifics: 10:55pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
budaatum: If you reward laziness and indolence at the expense of those who work hard only for their labour gains to be stolen from them and shared to the mob, how on earth do you think anybody will want to work? And FYI communist/socialsit societies end up producing the same 1% but rather than being the most productive they are drawn from the corrupt bureaucratic govt. The communist Hugo Chavez's daughter is worth $6bn. Buhari has enriched himself, his family and his cronies in like manner. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by Martinez39(m): 10:56pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
budaatum:Lol. The state compels people to work for the good of the state in the hope that what ever comes out of it will be distributed equally. They are given things like health care, welfare etc. The system soon crashes as people lose incentive to innovate and work and there is no such thing as free stuff. When I said "... I don't know...," I meant that you left me speechless. 1 Like |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by Guestlander: 10:56pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
Ziggylady: Anyone observing Nigeria would think Yoruba colonized you folks and rendered you poor and bitter. 1 Like |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by Guestlander: 10:58pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
There's a measure of socialism in almost every modern state, even in the capitalist heaven of America. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by GenSpecifics: 10:59pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
Martinez39: "We pretend to work and the state pretends to pay us" That quote came from a Soviet citizen depicting how useless communism is. You do little or no work and the govt pays you little or nothing Now that is communism for you. In Nigeria, communism is very much alive in the northern and SW civil sector. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by Martinez39(m): 11:01pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
Guestlander:I agree but those socialist policies are funded by tax payers money because nothing is free. That's why Margaret Thatcher said socialism works until you run out of other people's money. Tax payers' money are generated from their capitalist systems. The kind my topic is talking about is full blown socialism. ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by GenSpecifics: 11:02pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
Guestlander: Thats because they had the misfortune of having useful idiots groomed under the Soviet Cultural Marxism infiltration of American colleges. American govt sector jobs and bureaucracy always expands with a Democrat in the WH and it all started from FDR reign. 1 Like |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by budaatum: 11:02pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
GenSpecifics: Socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. All the community will go to produce and come back to share it with "laziness and indolence" ![]() GenSpecifics:Sounds like Nigeria to me. GenSpecifics:Does Buhari rule a socialist society? 1 Like |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by GenSpecifics: 11:04pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
Martinez39: The socialist policies are always a DNC initiative towards getting minority votes among black Americans. It was Lyndon B. Johnson that began the expansion of the welfare scheme during his time as president and he was recorded as saying "They (black Americans) will be voting democrat for life" 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by budaatum: 11:06pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
Martinez39:There is nothing called "full blown socialism"! If you mean communism, just say so, or say you are speaking American. Socialism does not function without capitalism, they are not either ors. |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by GenSpecifics: 11:07pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
budaatum: By any and all definition of a socialist state, Nigeria is 100% socialist. You may not have a functional welfare scheme, but govt remains the largest employer of labour, govt earnings from natural resources funds and subsidizes the economy and the local currency. |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by Guestlander: 11:08pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
GenSpecifics: Whatever, is China a capitalist state or a communist state? Is the Chinese system meeting the aspirations of the Chinese people? We shouldn't be too attached to dogma. Today, the capitalist America is heavily indebted to communist China, what an irony. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by GenSpecifics: 11:12pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
budaatum: Capitalism is not a form of governance but rather a way of doing business and earning a living. All true democracies are capitalist in nature because true democracies ensure personal freedoms within the extent of the law. Socialism aka Communism is a way of governance that demands collectivism and frowns at personal ambitions and goals. It pits the individual freedom and rights way down the scheme of things and promotes the political hierarchies needs and wants in the name of the state supreme and above everyone else. Now, know the difference. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by Martinez39(m): 11:13pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
budaatum:Lol. There is something like full blown socialism. Venezuela, under Hugo Chavez and Maduro, experienced "full blown" socialism. Infact, the so called socialist programmes in America are not strictly socialist programmes because they are funded by people's money and make use of products created by industries that are privately owned. Socialism that need capitalism is no longer socialism. ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by GenSpecifics: 11:16pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
Guestlander: China has reformed. It allows capitalist venture to thrive. It is only communist in name because it is yet to be a democracy. Cuba has now opened up for business but are only waiting for the last remaining and ageing communist dictators from the revolution era to die out. As I said before, Capitalism is not a form of government. 1 Like |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by Martinez39(m): 11:20pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
Guestlander:China is socialist in name but capitalist in practice. 2 Likes |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by budaatum: 11:21pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
Martinez39:Venezuela does not practise "full blown socialism", nor is everyone paid the same! They have generals in Venezuela, with guns, which I'm 100% certain they would use if they were paid the same as janitors! And if every one was paid the same they would be happy with Maduro and wouldn't be trying to kick him out. |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by SouthEastFacts: 11:23pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
abduljabbar4:You are a Northern. They are socialist by nature except of course our incoming President. Mazi Atiku Ikechukwu Kayode tonye osas Abubakar 2 Likes |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by GenSpecifics: 11:23pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
Guestlander: For the upteenth time there is no such thing as a Capitalist state. You are either a constitutional democracy or communist dictatorship 1 Like |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by Guestlander: 11:24pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
GenSpecifics: But that is not entirely true my friend. The state is involved in a lot businesses in China even today. So, China is still very much a communist state. China today is a success story proving the liberals in America were not entirely wrong. |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by abduljabbar4(m): 11:25pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
SouthEastFacts: Yet you expect the socialist north to vote a capitalist ![]() |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by Martinez39(m): 11:25pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
budaatum:Lol. Socialism gave Maduro the opportunity to hold power without checks and that led to a dictatorship. This is one of the reasons why socialism fails. Anyways, on the issue of equal pay, socialism eventually makes everyone equally destitute while the politicians live the high life. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by Martinez39(m): 11:26pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
Guestlander:China is a communist state in name only but it is capitalist in practice. 1 Like |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by budaatum: 11:36pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
Martinez39:Socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. The checks of socialism is the regulation by the community as a whole because they own the means of production, distribution, and exchange! Martinez39:So, "the politicians live the high life" ? Is that because they don't receive the equal pay of the janitor? 1 Like |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by budaatum: 11:38pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
GenSpecifics:Socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. Does the community as a whole in Nigeria own the means of production, distribution, and exchange? 1 Like |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by budaatum: 11:41pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
GenSpecifics:Just as there is no 'socialist state'. No where is everywhere paid the same. And those who have won't let those who have not take it from them. And Generals have guns and live in mansions! 1 Like |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by Martinez39(m): 11:47pm On Feb 10, 2019 |
budaatum:The community owns the means of production but the leaders are in charge and oversee the means of production. These leaders/politicians are in charge of distributing wealth/generated capital. So, "the politicians live the high life" ? Is that because they don't receive the equal pay of the janitor?They live the high life because they have exploited the absolute power socialism gave them as overseers of the means of production. They may spend all they want and leave little or nothing for the people. Imagine if equally distributing wealth will leave everyone with #10, won't you think that these politicians will be tempted to hoard some so as to have enough because ten naira is too small? So even if their intentions are good, they would be tempted to abuse their position and it might spiral down into a money laundering dictatorship. |
Re: Dangers Of Socialism. by stanech: 12:31am On Feb 11, 2019 |
Winston Churchill Quotes. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. 2 Likes 1 Share |
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