callthefred:
This very moment I believe truly we have many "educated illitrates" in this country. The op was clear enough. He wasn't for any party but simply questioned why the number of accredited voters not votes recorded differs between senatorial figures and presidential figures.

We got accredited once and not seprately so in the law of common sense we should be having same figures in the acreditation. This has nothing to do with votes.

I voted YPP, PDP and Accord but my unit recorded the same number of accreditation for all 3.

you cant have same figures cos not everyone collected 3 ballot papers

helinues:
@ op you are wrong.

Some people only voted for presidency, some Senate and some Rep.. It all depends on where there interest lies..

So how about in SE where people voted massively for Senate and Reps position for Apc but only few voted for Buhari.. How about that?

In Senatorial district where Buhari come from, he won Pdp in presidential with big marging but the senate seats when to ApGa or so not even Pdp. How about that?

The Ops explained it. It is not that too logical to understand.

If after casting ur vote for presidency and u decide not to vote senate that ballot paper will still be put in the ballot box unless if you want the law to catch up with you if u decide to ascond/go away with it and also if you destroy it the law will also be awaiting you in either way the ballot paper will be put in the ballot box. This ballot paper will later be added to the total vote(be it void or blank) which is supposed to be (PRESIDENTIAL VOTE=SENATE VOTE=REP VOTE)

Accredited voter/voters = total vote cast(Inc. void and other) be it pdp, APC etc

Common sense is not really common which is the main problem in our country 2day not by PhD or Education.

The Ops just explained it.

Please note that this can be attained were free and fair elections has taken place and devoid of violence

The presidential elections is a scam. I’m telling u

If Atiku should go to court with evidence he will win or at least expose the rot in the electoral system so It can be corrected. Mass rigging is killing our democracy.

femi4:
you will not understand cos you are daft!

i understand more, and i think u r worst hit with daftness.
i voted on 23rd, n once u r accredited, u r given 3ballot papers. u dont chose ballot papers they give it to u at the same time.
if u did exercised ur civil duties u wouldnt hv made that comment n i answered u based on what u said.

yaki84:

i understand more, and i think u r worst hit with daftness.
i voted on 23rd, n once u r accredited, u r given 3ballot papers. u dont chose ballot papers they give it to u at the same time.
if u did exercised ur civil duties u wouldnt hv made that comment n i answered u based on what u said.

Shut up! Stop displaying your ignorance, just because it happened at your backyard doesn't mean it was like that across the Country.

femi4:
you cant have same figures cos not everyone collected 3 ballot papers

We are talking about accredited voters not number of votes. Whether you voted 1 or all you get accredited once!!!

femi4:
Shut up! Stop displaying your ignorance, just because it happened at your backyard doesn't mean it was like that across the Country.

it means ur part of the country is due for serious mental evaluation of its citizens.
how can they not adhere to simple instruction given during training....


goodday youngiee

My take.

As a core member and follower of APC, I find the OP knowledgeable to even put this topic up for debate. Mr President could still have emerged the winner in a better organized election. However, everything about this election suggested that INEC could have been manipulated from the election itself to local and state collation processes.

# of Accredited Voters should remain constant across the three elections more so since voting only starts after accreditation. Indeed some might have returned home frustrated at the process without voting, yet they should still have been accounted for either as rejected votes or invalid votes.

Also no one seem to be talking about the lack of an automated collation systems that would’ve made collation faster, safer and more transparent.

In a centralized electoral system with only the minimum efforts and technology, every Nigerian should be able to see the results from every wards and unit in the country.

War torn territories have voters too, but what explains their lower voter apathy compared to peaceful states? Perhaps it is the case that electoral monitoring is a little harder in places like Borno and Yobe. In places where monitoring is high, the race appeared tighter with more acceptable outcomes (Buhari still won but not with such margin).

INEC needs 21th century administrators. Way too many brilliant young Nigerians for the country to rely on such expensive piece of sh*t.

femi4:
Shut up! Stop displaying your ignorance, just because it happened at your backyard doesn't mean it was like that across the Country.

This guy know wetting he dey talk self. Meaning you tell inec that you want only the presidency and tell them you don't want to vote senate or rep.

Can we be objective for ones

This guy is a foreigner!

lastmanstandn:
My take.

As a core member and follower of APC, I find the OP knowledgeable to even put this topic up for debate. Mr President could still have emerged the winner in a better organized election. However, everything about this election suggested that INEC could have been manipulated from the election itself to local and state collation processes.

# of Accredited Voters should remain constant across the three elections more so since voting only starts after accreditation. Indeed some might have returned home frustrated at the process without voting, yet they should still have been accounted for either as rejected votes or invalid votes.

Also no one seem to be talking about the lack of an automated collation systems that would’ve made collation faster, safer and more transparent.

In a centralized electoral system with only the minimum efforts and technology, every Nigerian should be able to see the results from every wards and unit in the country.

War torn territories have voters too, but what explains their lower voter apathy compared to peaceful states? Perhaps it is the case that electoral monitoring is a little harder in places like Borno and Yobe. In places where monitoring is high, the race appeared tighter with more acceptable outcomes (Buhari still won but not with such margin).

INEC needs 21th century administrators. Way too many brilliant young Nigerians for the country to rely on such expensive piece of sh*t.

If you voted, you would have known that accreditation and voting was done simultaneously.

AK481:


now can someone help us with the figures from a random state e.g kano.

lets analyse.

that's what I expected to say, it would better clear the air without this unnecessary explanation and confusion.

At least an example from three states is enough.

tk4rd:
Following Simple logic, the total accredited voters for the presidential election officially announced in any state should be equal to the sum of the total accredited voters for the senatorial elections officially announced in all the senatorial zones in the same state, and same thing should be the case for all the federal constituencies in the state. ,, since the accreditation for the presidential, senatorial, and house of representatives elections were done at the same time on each voter, and it was done just once.
...
(Since some voters might have declined to collect the three papers at once after they were accredited, but rather decided to collect only the ones they are interested in, it may not be the best to use “total votes cast” in this exercise.. But then, “total accredited voters” is the better tool for analysis and comparison)
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Save for some few outright cancellations which were officially announced and documented by INEC and can also be added in order to make it tally, the figures from the three separate elections, under normal circumstances, are supposed to tally perfectly.
....
Now, it is time to catch INEC with their own officially announced figures.. The states with large differences are the States with the worst manipulation of results..
..

It is an exercise.
Let's measure the degree of manipulation by ourselves.

Submit your evidence.

I don't know about you, but let me speak for myself here..
If someone tells me that “Orange as it is as a colour is now known and called as black”, I won't believe it just like that since I already knew it was called orange.. I will verify it by myself in any possible way I can... If it is the truth, then, I myself can join him in letting other people know too.. If it is not true, I will get back to him, and try to correct him. If he refuses to accept that he was wrong, then I will allow him to accept whatever he likes, but then, he should stop deceiving others..
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This exercise is just a simple way of using INEC's official figures (since only INEC's figures are acceptable) to show them (and point it out to them succinctly) that the election was a big disgrace, and a total waste of the resources of the country..
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It won't make me to reject their officially announced president, but at least, I can always be happy within myself to say that INEC shot themselves in the leg with their own “Officially Announced Results”.
Let this election be a big joke on them.
I am very ok with it..
So you can see that my frustration is not with Buhari..
NO.. Not at all.
It is with INEC.






You made a lot of sense here.

femi4:
you cant have same figures cos not everyone collected 3 ballot papers

Meaning you collected one ballot paper and rejected the other 2.

Guys people Sabi lie for Federal

very nice

Op I think to sample a particular state with figures would have made your fact more clearer.

thanks Op, you just reminded me of those good old days of nairaland, when data seems to be more expensive.

Kyase:

What about the invalid votes....
Dullardeen

Accreditation has nothing to do with invalid votes. Accreditation comes before voting and he's saying that someone couldn't have refused been accreditated for both senatorial and presidential voting since they are done simultaneously


Very simple

Op you need maths 101. Will help you understand better,time please.

Illustrative Analysis

State: ABC State

Senatorial Districts: A, B & C

Parties: 3 (P1, P2, P3)

Polling Units: 5 (PU1, PU2, PU3, PU4, PU5)

Accredited Voters for PU1: 2

Accredited Voters for PU2: 3

Accredited Voters for PU3: 2

Accredited Voters for PU4: 2

Accredited Voter for PU5: 1

Senatorial District A: PU1, PU2

Senatorial District B: PU3

Senatorial District C: PU4, PU5

Positions: Presidential, Senatorial & House of Rep

Strategy1: Accreditation is done once for the three positions (Presidential, Senatorial & House of Rep)

Strategy2: Voting is done immediately after Accreditation

Strategy3: Three ballox papers is given to each voter to vote for the three positions

Strategy4: Single Thumbprinted ballot paper is considered valid vote. Multiple Thumbprinted ballot paper is considered invalid. Blank ballot paper is considered invalid

Strategy5: 3 Returning Officers for each positions to submit figures.

Strategy6: Three ballot boxes are provided

Now with these from above

Total Votes Cast = Valid Votes + Invalid Votes

Accredited Voters in ABC State = Accredited Voters in (PU1 + PU2 + PU3 + PU4 + PU5) = 10


Accredited Voters in Senatorial District A = Accredited Voters in (PU1 + PU2) = 5

Accredited Voters in Senatorial District B = Accredited Voters in (PU3) = 2

Accredited Voters in Senatorial District C = Accredited Voters in (PU4 + PU5) = 3

Adding the three Senatorial Districts = A + B + C = 5 + 2 + 3 = 10

It means the Total number of Accredited Voters in a state must be equal to the addition of Accredited voters in the three senatorial districts of the state.

This can also be applied to federal constituencies for House of Rep in the state.

This means that The data given by the three Returning Officers must be coherent otherwise rigging has taken place.

Now to Total Vote Cast

Since each voter is given three ballot papers and 10 people are voting in ABC State it means each person will drop one sheet in to each ballot box.

Total Number of Vote Cast must be equal to total number of Accredited Voters all things being equal.

The first person comes and drop his three papers

Second person does same and down to the tenth person

Now

total vote cast for Presidential = 10

total vote cast for Senatorial = 10

total vote cast for House of Rep = 10

So Total Number of Accredited Voters for Presidential = 10 = Total Number of Vote Cast for Presidential

Same for others

This is what should be in a Free and Fair Election.

The OP is right. Thanks for this educative and eye opening thread.

litdutchboy:

Don't blame them-Nigeria's corrupt politicians destroyed the education system, so majority of youths will not be able to reason critically.

That's the root cause of our national problem

What's the total number of the presidential vote cast (valid and invalid and rejected)? And what's the total number of accredited? Because in a simple logic, every voter accredited, voted for president

rexbuton:



If you voted, you would have known that accreditation and voting was done simultaneously.

Never claimed I voted. Diaspora voting is still not a thing in 21st century INEC. News online claimed accreditation stopped at a certain time for voting to begin.

Olumyco:
Illustrative Analysis
State: ABC State
Senatorial Districts: A, B & C
Parties: 3 (P1, P2, P3)
Polling Units: 5 (PU1, PU2, PU3, PU4, PU5)
Accredited Voters for PU1: 2
Accredited Voters for PU2: 3
Accredited Voters for PU3: 2
Accredited Voters for PU4: 2
Accredited Voter for PU5: 1
Senatorial District A: PU1, PU2
Senatorial District B: PU3
Senatorial District C: PU4, PU5
Positions: Presidential, Senatorial & House of Rep
Strategy1: Accreditation is done once for the three positions (Presidential, Senatorial & House of Rep)
Strategy2: Voting is done immediately after Accreditation
Strategy3: Three ballox papers is given to each voter to vote for the three positions
Strategy4: Single Thumbprinted ballot paper is considered valid vote. Multiple Thumbprinted ballot paper is considered invalid. Blank ballot paper is considered invalid
Strategy5: 3 Returning Officers for each positions to submit figures.
Strategy6: Three ballot boxes are provided
Now with these from above
Total Votes Cast = Valid Votes + Invalid Votes
Accredited Voters in ABC State = Accredited Voters in (PU1 + PU2 + PU3 + PU4 + PU5) = 10
Accredited Voters in Senatorial District A = Accredited Voters in (PU1 + PU2) = 5
Accredited Voters in Senatorial District B = Accredited Voters in (PU3) = 2
Accredited Voters in Senatorial District C = Accredited Voters in (PU4 + PU5) = 3
Adding the three Senatorial Districts = A + B + C = 5 + 2 + 3 = 10
It means the Total number of Accredited Voters in a state must be equal to the addition of Accredited voters in the three senatorial districts of the state.
This can also be applied to federal constituencies for House of Rep in the state.
This means that The data given by the three Returning Officers must be coherent otherwise rigging has taken place.
Now to Total Vote Cast
Since each voter is given three ballot papers and 10 people are voting in ABC State it means each person will drop one sheet in to each ballot box.
Total Number of Vote Cast must be equal to total number of Accredited Voters all things being equal.
The first person comes and drop his three papers
Second person does same and down to the tenth person
Now
total vote cast for Presidential = 10
total vote cast for Senatorial = 10
total vote cast for House of Rep = 10
So Total Number of Accredited Voters for Presidential = 10 = Total Number of Vote Cast for Presidential
Same for others
This is what should be in a Free and Fair Election.
The OP is right. Thanks for this educative and eye opening thread.

Thank you for making the work easier, but guess what, the zombies won't like this type of analysis and they'll start attacking INEC offices across the country in order to destroy the evidence.

Good Analysis!

tk4rd:
Following Simple logic, the total accredited voters for the presidential election officially announced in any state should be equal to the sum of the total accredited voters for the senatorial elections officially announced in all the senatorial zones in the same state, and same thing should be the case for all the federal constituencies in the state. ,, since the accreditation for the presidential, senatorial, and house of representatives elections were done at the same time on each voter, and it was done just once.
...
(Since some voters might have declined to collect the three papers at once after they were accredited, but rather decided to collect only the ones they are interested in, it may not be the best to use “total votes cast” in this exercise.. But then, “total accredited voters” is the better tool for analysis and comparison)
...
Save for some few outright cancellations which were officially announced and documented by INEC and can also be added in order to make it tally, the figures from the three separate elections, under normal circumstances, are supposed to tally perfectly.
....
Now, it is time to catch INEC with their own officially announced figures.. The states with large differences are the States with the worst manipulation of results..
..

It is an exercise.
Let's measure the degree of manipulation by ourselves.

@tk4rd, may your days be long. Threads like this makes me have hope in the future of this country. I believe you have provided jobs for data analysts all over the country. A true reflection of the result would be revealed after adequate statistical analysis.

I hope we can have an independent organization which would take up these data and analyze them for the people. We'll all be shocked to see the outcome...

Thank you once again for thinking correctly!

callthefred:

We are talking about accredited voters not number of votes. Whether you voted 1 or all you get accredited once!!!

Stop responding to zombies who are shallow in thinking.

Thank you O.P nice suggestion...

Accredited voters should be the same across Presidential, Senatorial and HOR.... NOTE: I said accredited voters not vote cast....


Buh, honestly People dull for this country sha...... Chai !!!!!

eLcastro:
you still don't get...it is one accreditation that's done right......not three different accreditations.so the total accreditations for president must equal that for Senate and also equal that for reps....the vote cast might be different tho as i might decide to vote for pres alone.. even at that all the casted votes + invalid votes must still be equal....cause even tho i didn't vote for Senate am not allow to leave with the ballot paper.at worst i should place it in there without voting...which makes it invalid.the main point though is...the total accreditations must equal since you accredited ones

Its so difficult to convince a dullard! You need to explain it in terms of cows.... E.g

100 cows for Presidency = 100 cows for Senate = 100 cows for HR......

femi4:
you cant have same figures cos not everyone collected 3 ballot papers

pls explain

DMerciful:
I think is time to pick a state like Lagos for instance as a case study. Who has the accreditation data for senatorial and presidential results?

correctguy2010
Can you help?

Will check if INEC has the information on their website or social pages

Kyase:

What about the invalid votes....
Dullardeen

Valid plus invalid votes for each of the three elections should equal total number of accredited voters.

tk4rd:
I don't think you understood the logic..
Did you??
The logic said “Total Votes Cast...” Both APC , DPC, FRESH, PDP, VOID, INVALID, and also REJECTED..
The logic didn't say Total PDP Votes,, neither did it say Total APC Votes ..
...
(I'm seriously beginning to believe that some of the people I call Fellow Nigerians actually think with their anus or something.)

guy, leave them alone. they can't reason logically again, and these are d same lazy youths that want to be leaders of Whatsapp group

if 30 people were accredited in polling unit A for presidential election, it then follows that d same 30 should be d number accredited for d senate and rep in dt polling unit A, irrespective of party or void or invalid. this is because it's done simultaneously. any discrepancy indicate rigging.

jojomario:
It's is not compulsory you collect all the ballot papers. I can decide to collect for Senatorial and leave the rest. The argument is not real.

You don't have that option.

Olumyco:
Illustrative Analysis

State: ABC State

Senatorial Districts: A, B & C

Parties: 3 (P1, P2, P3)

Polling Units: 5 (PU1, PU2, PU3, PU4, PU5)

Accredited Voters for PU1: 2

Accredited Voters for PU2: 3

Accredited Voters for PU3: 2

Accredited Voters for PU4: 2

Accredited Voter for PU5: 1

Senatorial District A: PU1, PU2

Senatorial District B: PU3

Senatorial District C: PU4, PU5

Positions: Presidential, Senatorial & House of Rep

Strategy1: Accreditation is done once for the three positions (Presidential, Senatorial & House of Rep)

Strategy2: Voting is done immediately after Accreditation

Strategy3: Three ballox papers is given to each voter to vote for the three positions

Strategy4: Single Thumbprinted ballot paper is considered valid vote. Multiple Thumbprinted ballot paper is considered invalid. Blank ballot paper is considered invalid

Strategy5: 3 Returning Officers for each positions to submit figures.

Strategy6: Three ballot boxes are provided

Now with these from above

Total Votes Cast = Valid Votes + Invalid Votes

Accredited Voters in ABC State = Accredited Voters in (PU1 + PU2 + PU3 + PU4 + PU5) = 10


Accredited Voters in Senatorial District A = Accredited Voters in (PU1 + PU2) = 5

Accredited Voters in Senatorial District B = Accredited Voters in (PU3) = 2

Accredited Voters in Senatorial District C = Accredited Voters in (PU4 + PU5) = 3

Adding the three Senatorial Districts = A + B + C = 5 + 2 + 3 = 10

It means the Total number of Accredited Voters in a state must be equal to the addition of Accredited voters in the three senatorial districts of the state.

This can also be applied to federal constituencies for House of Rep in the state.

This means that The data given by the three Returning Officers must be coherent otherwise rigging has taken place.

Now to Total Vote Cast

Since each voter is given three ballot papers and 10 people are voting in ABC State it means each person will drop one sheet in to each ballot box.

Total Number of Vote Cast must be equal to total number of Accredited Voters all things being equal.

The first person comes and drop his three papers

Second person does same and down to the tenth person

Now

total vote cast for Presidential = 10

total vote cast for Senatorial = 10

total vote cast for House of Rep = 10

So Total Number of Accredited Voters for Presidential = 10 = Total Number of Vote Cast for Presidential

Same for others

This is what should be in a Free and Fair Election.

The OP is right. Thanks for this educative and eye opening thread.

You nailed it. Good job.