pls somebody should help us with good example, so that we will know how inec rig the election. I want boron state for d case
scenario, for beter understanding.

tk4rd:
If INEC were smart as they claimed, they would have made sure that all the figures from the Presidential, Senatorial, and House of Reps elections were minimally varied before going public with them..
They never knew that the loophole would be noticed.

It is practically not possible. The collation officers were different.

I was a ward collation officer for the presidential election and along with me was a colleague who collated results of the National assembly elections from the same ward.

Similar arrangement was made at LGA collation cetres.

From the LGA collation centre result of membership to house of representatives are announced and winners returned. Result of senate is taken the senatorial district collation centre while that of the presidential election is taken to INEC state headquarters.

It is not feasible to gather all these results and make comparison between accepting presidential election result from a state. Even if it is feasible the collation officers won't be there to offer explanation should discrepancies be found.

Abuja has only one senatorial district.

So the presidential/ Senate accredited voters should tally for Abuja.

Unfortunately I can't even find anything about the number of accredited voters for the Senate.

I have been online looking for information about other states for about an hour. I can say it's practically hard to get the accredited number of voters for the 3 senatorial districts in a states.

At best I saw one for some states.

This kind of information should be on Inec's website, sadly, it's not

richidinho:


the problem is that there is no law backing cardreader

My dear, INEC law/training states not stated that no card reader no election. There is what is called "Fail to verify (FV) and fail to authenticate (FA)" if a voter becomes a victim of "FV" automatically he/she can not vote in that Polling Unit even manually but a voter who passes the the "FV" but fails or becomes a victim of "FA" still has INEC constitutional right to be authenticated manually.

I wonder why people are getting it difficult to understand this simple logic. The OP is very correct.
For example
Let say that the card reader recorded a total number of Accredited voters in a state to be 50. And there are three senatorial districts in the state let's say A , B, C .

Then since Every voter is accredited once,
The total number of Accredited voters in senatorial districts A + B + C Must be equal to 50
Also number of Accredited voters for presidential election must also be 50

INEC Should make this details available to the public

[color=#000000][/color] fixed games
See below

chakula:
What of that manual accreditation?

My dear, there is nothing like manual accreditation, we have only one and it is called accreditation. And accreditation is all about when an eligible voter in a given polling unit is verified and authenticated.
The VERIFICATION must be digital, however there is a possibility of "MISMATCHED" while authentication can be digital or manual.

litdutchboy:
INEC is so far refusing to release the card readers to show the number of accredited voters according to PDP in several Northern states. The truth is that if the card readers are released to ascertain the number of accredited voters in each state -the election will be cancelled. There was massive rigging by both APC and PDP.
Nigerians politicians have been rigging elections since 1960.

Nobody is asking them to release any card reader..
They have already released all the information needed.
It is left for us to gather them together and use them.

femi4:
its not possible since we have three ballot papers. Some people collected ballot papers based on their interest i.e presidential ballot paper alone and ignore others

Are you really a bright Nigerian??
Let me not insult you please..
Go back and read the same post you quoted.
Read it seven times, and make sure you understand it well before quoting me again.

olatunyemi:
This is really making sense but I am not sure if it will change anything

It may or may not change anything,, but it will definitely make me happy to see the discrepancies and laugh while I post it on all my social media pages.

OP, your analysis is what should have been. The total number of accredited voters is supposed to be the same for the presidential and national assembly elections since accreditation was done only once. It is therefore crystal clear that the election was rigged.

tk4rd:
Nobody is asking them to release any card reader..
They have already released all the information needed.
It is left for us to gather them together and use them.

My dear, it is needed base on no card reader no election.
And it is card reader that is specifically designed for accreditation. With that coupled with the analog figures announced and declared, Hybrid analysis will surely be realised.

Xmen149:


we know,.even in USA till date they are still investigating Russia meddling in their election,.

is ok this is like football game the referee Don blow final whistle...in d days wen no var football matches were not changed even if enshrouded in controversies....it has evolve now that var means the game is fairer...all we can advocate is for a better electoral system...toda d law don't even recognize card reader which makes a mockery of our system...we are still neck deep in manual voting situation...

OGHENAOGIE:
is ok this is like football game the referee Don blow final whistle...in d days wen no var football matches were not changed even if enshrouded in controversies....it has evolve now that var means the game is fairer...all we can advocate is for a better electoral system...toda d law don't even recognize card reader which makes a mockery of our system...we are still neck deep in manual voting situation...

My dear as far as INEC policy is concerned in this 2019 general election, no card reader, no accreditation. And no accreditation, no voting. And no voting, no election

Nnabugwu8590:

My dear as far as INEC policy is concerned in this 2019 general election, no card reader, no accreditation. And no accreditation, no voting. And no voting, no election

na court go talk dat one urs is mere propanganga

Great thinking.
The total votes per polling unit can be less than accredited numbers of voters but not more than the total numbers of accredited voters.
Bow,: for subsequent elections, INEC should ensure that all results per PU is in correlation with the above or OP submission.
Thanks for all your contributions.

OGHENAOGIE:
na court go talk dat one urs is mere propanganga

Lol, any APOs/PO/SPO in the house, please your attention is needed here...
The same way court will tell us that a sitting president has a lawful maximum of 8 years to govern this country (Nigeria). The same way court will tell us that senatorial position in Nigeria is a contestable position without limitation for years of service by an occupying senator. The same way the court will tell us that a governor has no constitutional power or right to appoint a commissioner of police in his/her state because Nigeria's security in the onstitution is enshrined in the exclusive list. The same way the court will tell us minimum wage is in the exclusive list...
It is well my dear.

I understand the OP's point, however, a few examples should have been tendered. I.e situations whereby Total accredited voters in the Presidential election failed to correspond with those for the National Assembly.

OP, Just take a sample from the official INEC result to explain yourself. I think most people will understand it then.

Regards

Here is an example.

Total valid plus invalid votes is not up to total accredited voters.

Why should that be

ridbell01:
guy you mean this is what you will tell court when you get there?

Which court is this guy here talking about??
Did I mention court anywhere here for goodness sake?

unmask:
I understand the OPs point..... but I think it will be extremely dumb and unlikely for anyone to have different accreditation figures for the presidential senate and HOR.


If it is also not compulsory to collect the 3 ballot papers, it will also be difficult to prove from number of votes casted, except if Inec has records of ballot papers used and unused (that in itself might not be tenable)


The only way it can most likely be proved is if the number of accredited voters via the card readers are less than total votes cast

Answering to the first bolded statement, We have already established that under normal circumstances, they should not have different figures, but then, in the reality of INEC which we saw ourselves in, there are huge differences..
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Answering to the second bolded statement, it's like you didn't follow the election results declaration closely?? INEC did manual accreditation without card-readers in some places, and they allowed it to count.
So, what are you saying?

PeacenLove2:
The only way this argument will work is if number of voters is more than accredited.

For instance, did you not hear Banky W said one polling unit in his area did not have House of Assembly sheet?


There will be many likely cases .... bringing total number of voters for all the categories different. So to collate result, they may choose not to use a uniform accredited number, but a different one based on provision of resources for each area, for the 3 categories.

Again, the only way this would fly is if total number of voters exceeds accredited. No case here, fellas.

@Bolded..
So, whose fault?? Banky's fault??
Baseless Defence..

Asshurbanipal:

I didn't insult you. The invalid votes are also recorded and will be added

What about spoilt vote ?

Kyase:

What about the invalid votes....
Dullardeen

what has invalid voted got to do with accredited voters ... There is obviouly a correlation between Buharism and low IQ

gratiaeo:

The óp is talking about total vote cast both valid and invalid

What about rejected ballot paper/damaged ballot paper while tiering it from ballot book, the numbers don't tally at the end. I worked as Apo1

FarahAideed:


what has invalid voted got to do with accredited voters ... There is obviouly a correlation between Buharism and low IQ

Mitvheew ask the guy why he modified the thread

alexistaiwo:
Someone should please compile the individual total number of accredited voters for Lagos and Kano state senatorial and House of reps seats and compare to the number of accredited voters presented at INEC headquarters during the presidential elections announcement.


If they tally, I will deactivate my moniker.

My brother, don't promise yet..
These people don't deserve any promise at-all.

callthefred:
This very moment I believe truly we have many "educated illitrates" in this country. The op was clear enough. He wasn't for any party but simply questioned why the number of accredited voters not votes recorded differs between senatorial figures and presidential figures.

We got accredited once and not seprately so in the law of common sense we should be having same figures in the acreditation. This has nothing to do with votes.

I voted YPP, PDP and Accord but my unit recorded the same number of accreditation for all 3.

At any P.U where there is sane election, it will tally. For any PU where there is mass voting in any way, it won't tally.
Then, the main place of massive manipulation is the Local Govt collation offices and state collation offices. They would just add any value they like and alter the number of accredited voters so as to be mathematically correct., not knowing that there are other loopholes they are not fixing.

Nukilia:


@tk4rd, may your days be long. Threads like this makes me have hope in the future of this country. I believe you have provided jobs for data analysts all over the country. A true reflection of the result would be revealed after adequate statistical analysis.

I hope we can have an independent organization which would take up these data and analyze them for the people. We'll all be shocked to see the outcome...

Thank you once again for thinking correctly!

Thanks..
The details of the information needed for the analysis is not online. So, I would get it from my friends who are party agents, Or apply Directly to INEC Itself..

k2039:
Abuja has only one senatorial district.

So the presidential/ Senate accredited voters should tally for Abuja.

Unfortunately I can't even find anything about the number of accredited voters for the Senate.

I have been online looking for information about other states for about an hour. I can say it's practically hard to get the accredited number of voters for the 3 senatorial districts in a states.

At best I saw one for some states.

This kind of information should be on Inec's website, sadly, it's not

INEC is still very very very far..
You know, I just put the logic forward so that fellow Nigerians can test its validity with me..
So that I can get to work in finding the figures..
The figures I need are not online..
I need to dig for it.
One thing is, INEC have already announced their figures. They can't take them back again to correct them..

bahaushe1:


It is practically not possible. The collation officers were different.

I was a ward collation officer for the presidential election and along with me was a colleague who collated results of the National assembly elections from the same ward.

Similar arrangement was made at LGA collation cetres.

From the LGA collation centre result of membership to house of representatives are announced and winners returned. Result of senate is taken the senatorial district collation centre while that of the presidential election is taken to INEC state headquarters.

It is not feasible to gather all these results and make comparison between accepting presidential election result from a state. Even if it is feasible the collation officers won't be there to offer explanation should discrepancies be found.

Please my brother, answer this question below..
..
If you bought 1000 mangoes, 1000 oranges, and 1000 pineaples at Abuja and wanted to send them to Lagos by all means possible.
You packaged the 1000 mangoes in a box and way-billed it to your house address in Lagos, you sent the 1000 oranges through public transport so you can pick it up at their park when you get to Lagos, and then carried the remaining 1000 pineapples in your car.
When you reach to your house in Lagos, and after getting the bag at the park and the way-billed box waiting at the front door, and opened everything and counted them again, how many mangoes and oranges and pineapples are you now supposed to be having with you??
(I really need you to answer this)..
...
See my brother,, what we (Nigerians) sent you guys (INEC) to do is very simple..
Just count the votes that we have casted, and tell us how many they are.
And not to be asking your colleagues about their own.,, so as to know how many you should add or subtract..
...
The same number you were counting was also the same number your colleague was counting.. (It's Simple Logic)..
Nothing changed..
(Unless you guys went and started counting something else)
You guys grouped yourselves into different groups and counted the votes that came to you guys in three different categories, and they are all THE SAME NUMBERS in their three different categories.
It should STILL be the same vote, no matter who counted it..
So, my brother, don't just go there..
Don't even use that as an excuse..