bahaushe1:


It is practically not possible. The collation officers were different.

I was a ward collation officer for the presidential election and along with me was a colleague who collated results of the National assembly elections from the same ward.

Similar arrangement was made at LGA collation cetres.

From the LGA collation centre result of membership to house of representatives are announced and winners returned. Result of senate is taken the senatorial district collation centre while that of the presidential election is taken to INEC state headquarters.

It is not feasible to gather all these results and make comparison between accepting presidential election result from a state. Even if it is feasible the collation officers won't be there to offer explanation should discrepancies be found.

Nnabugwu8590:

Lol, any APOs/PO/SPO in the house, please your attention is needed here...
The same way court will tell us that a sitting president has a lawful maximum of 8 years to govern this country (Nigeria). The same way court will tell us that senatorial position in Nigeria is a contestable postion without limitation for years of service by an occupying senator. The same way the court will tell us that a governor has no constitutional power or right to appoint a commissioner of police in his/her state because Nigeria's security in the onstitution is enshrined in the exclusive list. The same way the court will tell us minimum wage is in the exclusive list...
It is well my dear.

unmask:
I understand the OPs point..... but I think it will be extremely dumb and unlikely for anyone to have different accreditation figures for the presidential senate and HOR.


If it is also not compulsory to collect the 3 ballot papers, it will also be difficult to prove from number of votes casted, except if Inec has records of ballot papers used and unused (that in itself might not be tenable)


The only way it can most likely be proved is if the number of accredited voters via the card readers are less than total votes cast

bahaushe1:


It is practically not possible. The collation officers were different.


I was a ward collation officer for the presidential election and along with me was a colleague who collated results of the National assembly elections from the same ward.

Similar arrangement was made at LGA collation cetres.

From the LGA collation centre result of membership to house of representatives are announced and winners returned. Result of senate is taken the senatorial district collation centre while that of the presidential election is taken to INEC state headquarters.


It is not feasible to gather all these results and make comparison between accepting presidential election result from a state. Even if it is feasible the collation officers won't be there to offer explanation should discrepancies be found.

zuma4k:
I understand the OP's point, however, a few examples should have been tendered. I.e situations whereby Total accredited voters in the Presidential election failed to correspond with those for the National Assembly.

tk4rd:
My brother, you said that it is extremely dumb and unlikely for the figures to be different??
Very Good..
Read below..
An INEC staff is trying to tell you that the figures can never be the same.. He even gave his own flawed reasons..

Elthugnificent:

That's not what he said, he only pointed out the fact that it won't be easily to get data for that Senate and house rep for comparison; simply because there are different collation officer for the three vacant seats.

PFRB:


So the figure you get depends on the collation officer. Where have you gone?

tk4rd:
@Bolded..
So, whose fault?? Banky's fault??
Baseless Defence..

Elthugnificent:

That's not what he said, he only pointed out the fact that it won't be easily to get data for that Senate and house rep for comparison; simply because there are different collation officer for the three vacant seats.

PeacenLove2:


No it's not baseless .... it's an explanation why the numbers don't tally. Learn to remove sentiments from issues, so you can have better understanding. Be slow to speak they say.

tk4rd:
The main aim of this thread is to establish the theory, and it had been established.
Now, next thing is to test it with figures.
I have seen the criticisms, and yours too.
But none affected the validity of the theory.
Now, I can go ahead to gather the data needed to test it.
Have a nice day.

tk4rd:
They are not the ones to gather the data and do the analysis.
The analysis is supposed to be a tool which we (Nigerians) are supposed to use in checking their fairness and credibility.
Their main work is to count the votes, collate the votes, and announce the winners.
I am currently gathering the information.
I will publish figures soon

Eden007:

I have not followed any thread like i have followed this one.

I am gathering data for Akwa Ibom state.

Elthugnificent:

Good, if a possible a picture evidence (or any means you could use to assure us beyond reasonable doubt on the authenticity of the data) before your final analysis would be much appreciated to clear all doubt.

Nice job.

Eden007:
I have not followed any thread like i have followed this one.
I am gathering data for Akwa Ibom state.

tk4rd:
The main aim of this thread is to establish the theory, and it had been established.
Now, next thing is to test it with figures.
I have seen the criticisms, and yours too.
But none affected the validity of the theory.
Now, I can go ahead to gather the data needed to test it.
Have a nice day.

tk4rd:
My brother, you said that it is extremely dumb and unlikely for the figures to be different??
Very Good..
Read below..
An INEC staff is trying to tell you that the figures can never be the same.. He even gave his own flawed reasons..

tk4rd:
It's like you're an INEC official?? Or closely related to one??
Welcome to the thread my brother..
You are going to be the one with the golden solution to this very problem.
We just need the final declared senatorial results.
Do you have them with you??

tk4rd:
Please my brother, answer this question below..
..
If you bought 1000 mangoes, 1000 oranges, and 1000 pineaples at Abuja and wanted to send them to Lagos by all means possible.
You packaged the 1000 mangoes in a box and way-billed it to your house address in Lagos, you sent the 1000 oranges through public transport so you can pick it up at their park when you get to Lagos, and then carried the remaining 1000 pineapples in your car.
When you reach to your house in Lagos, and after getting the bag at the park and the way-billed box waiting at the front door, and opened everything and counted them again, how many mangoes and oranges and pineapples are you now supposed to be having with you??
(I really need you to answer this)..
...
See my brother,, what we (Nigerians) sent you guys (INEC) to do is very simple..
Just count the votes that we have casted, and tell us how many they are.
And not to be asking your colleagues about their own.,, so as to know how many you should add or subtract..
...
The same number you were counting was also the same number your colleague was counting.. (It's Simple Logic)..
Nothing changed..
(Unless you guys went and started counting something else)
You guys grouped yourselves into different groups and counted the votes that came to you guys in three different categories, and they are all THE SAME NUMBERS in their three different categories.
It should STILL be the same vote, no matter who counted it..
So, my brother, don't just go there..
Don't even use that as an excuse..

bahaushe1:

You didn't get me right. Accreditation figures for senate, house of representatives, and presidential elections must be the same.


I was trying to explain how difficult it would be for state collation officer for presidential election to have access to the results and accreditation figures of senate and house of reps election, compare same with presidential before announcing the result and submitting it to Abuja for further collation.

bahaushe1:


I believe you got the message.

The state presidential collation officer has no business collating other results. One is not even required to compare the results at ward or LGA level talkless the state and national.

All these will only make the process cumbersome. It should be the responsibility of political parties to do so.

tk4rd:
Answering to the first bolded statement, We have already established that under normal circumstances, they should not have different figures, but then, in the reality of INEC which we saw ourselves in, there are huge differences..
..
Answering to the second bolded statement, it's like you didn't follow the election results declaration closely?? INEC did manual accreditation without card-readers in some places, and they allowed it to count.
So, what are you saying?

daftpikin:



Are people allowed to reject voting in any of the 3? Say I want only HOR ballot paper and not the other 2

hoseao:

in some cases people just go home with the ballot paper in such case you would have issue of under voting where by accredited voters are more than the vote cast

unmask:


I am not sure about your first paragraph....and you are the first person I am hearing it from

And to react to the second....the chairman of INEC said manual accreditation won't count, which He confirmed during collation, but your question on "what am I saying" seems odd....since I just mentioned the only realistic area the opposition can actually have a case