10Dove:
Does he tackle more than raki? Remember that running up n down is different from tackling? Vidal na bizzy body e dey form for pitch these days...his time has past just like his compatriot at united...age is knocking...

Does he make more tackles than Rakitic??Are you serious?? Who do you think wins balls for the team when he plays?? And you think he's running up and down the pitch is just to make up the 11th number of the team??When he came in yesterday,he won 100% of his tackles in under 30 mins and you think he's not important.lol. Bro,just watch him objectively and you will see what he does for us

Adiwana:


Does he make more tackles than Rakitic??Are you serious?? Who do you think wins balls for the team when he plays?? And you think he's running up and down the pitch is just to make up the 11th number of the team??When he came in yesterday,he won 100% of his tackles in under 30 mins and you think he's not important.lol. Bro,just watch him objectively and you will see what he does for us

Provide his tackles success rate in the other matches.our most entertaining matches has been without that agberi. When we had Busi, Raki n Arthur in the middle like vs spurs first leg, then ousmanne, luisito n Leo upfront. This is barca's strongest line up, but unfortunately, our mini mourinho is always scared.

10Dove:
When Iniesta was here, we played ini, raki n Busi, under same long nose valverde, raki cm, ini Am, Busi dm... Paulinho often came from the bench. Vidal offers nothing going forward, then offers yellow card at the back...passing sef, he's too average. It is what it is.

What was then the function of Paulinho?? It was Paulinho,Rakitic and Busquet.He started most of our games.But Vidal is really an upgrade from him as Paulinho only functioned very well in the 442 formation but Vidal can function in both.And with Paulinho we weren't flexible as we were rigid but with Vidal it's different.You have to understand that we are no more playing the Iniesta and Xavi kind of football and have to come to terms that players that do not have our DNA can equally function very well in this club

Adiwana:


What was then the function of Paulinho?? It was Paulinho,Rakitic and Busquet.He started most of our games.But Vidal is really an upgrade from him as Paulinho only functioned very well in the 442 formation but Vidal can function in both.And with Paulinho we weren't flexible as we were rigid but with Vidal it's different.You have to understand that we are no more playing the Iniesta and Xavi kind of football and have to come to terms that players that do not have our DNA can equally function very well in this club

Did I not state it clearly here that Paulinho was just a waste of space? You think if we had Vidal on the bench vs Roma Last season instead of Paulinho, it would've made a difference? We needed a forward n a midfield controller in that match cos Busi was just returning from injury n ini was so old n weak, what can a Vidal do in that scenario? This 442 isn't taking us beyond la liga. We don't need to be dreaming about ini n xavi, we just need people that can control the midfield in a 3man midfield. Then 3 forwards, Vidal has no place in this team, it'll probably take valverde another year to realise this as usual... ala paulinho n malcom now.

10Dove:
Provide his tackles success rate in the other matches.our most entertaining matches has been without that agberi. When we had Busi, Raki n Arthur in the middle like vs spurs first leg, then ousmanne, luisito n Leo upfront. This is barca's strongest line up, but unfortunately, our mini mourinho is always scared.

Mini Mourinho??Lmao Won't call him mini Mourinho when he comes to his midfield selections though.Its just his substitutions and front 3 especially consistently playing Suarez is where he is.

I can't really convince you to like Vidal though but to say he contributes nothing is really laughable

Adiwana:


Yes,he's decision making was poor but to say that credit is not to be given to Roberto is really unfair to Roberto. The thing most people don't understand about defending is that it's not all about making tackles or clearing balls or committing fouls but to make the attackers make mistakes which what was Roberto did.Whenever Vinicus had the ball yesterday,Roberto tracked back as a make shift CB instead of charging towards him as a RB.This allowed Pique to be at his CB position instead of coming out to help Roberto which is if you noticed was what Pique did for Semedo in the 2nd leg.There was this chance Vinicus had in the game in which both Semedo and Pique were marking him at the same time.That never happened in this game. When Roberto had taken that make shift CB role,he then charged towards Vinicus who had no other option but to go for the crosses which was then cleared by Pique.Some of the times he wanted to cut in,he met Rakitic.It was a really good defensive outing by Roberto

First off, i didn't say not to give credit to Roberto, my point is that the whole defensive unit put in a collective shift, Roberto was just a piece in a much larger puzzle, a small piece even.

Also, it seems you're getting your timeline mixed up. Pique came out more in this game than he did in the first leg. The few times pique had anything to do with vinicius in the first leg were times when he had wanted to cut in and go directly at goal. Yesterday we saw pique come out alot to keep vini at bay. Now pique is slow AF but he has an excellent gift of timing. His well timed sliding tackles provided several clearances yesterday(he made 14 of those to be precise).

Also, for much of the first leg it was semedo against reguilon and Vini. Remember, Roberto was supposed to support semedo but semedo got very little help. I don't know a lot of right backs that can successful keep a team of double-tagging, young, energetic wingers at bay. Heck! Even Dani alves was taken to the cleaners by effing onyekuru.
For all the fuss being made against semedo's 1st leg performance, he reduced vinicius' attempts to just a shot on target. For all the times he was dribbled past, he almost always recovered to make timely blocks. He made 2 blocks to prevent a goal. For comparisons sake, Roberto made 0 blocks yesterday, lenglet made four and pique made 3.

Although Roberto made some good interceptions yesterday, his job was made much more easier with help from pique, rakitic and a very industrious Vidal. This is not to sleep on Roberto, he was massive yesterday, easily one of the best players on the night.

Adiwana:


Mini Mourinho??Lmao Won't call him mini Mourinho when he comes to his midfield selections though.Its just his substitutions and front 3 especially consistently playing Suarez is where he is.

I can't really convince you to like Vidal though but to say he contributes nothing is really laughable

Funny enough, I admire Vidal from afar, never wanted him at my club talkless of this old Vidal that often runs out of ideas..

10Dove:
Did I not state it clearly here that Paulinho was just a waste of space? You think if we had Vidal on the bench vs Roma Last season instead of Paulinho, it would've made a difference? We needed a forward n a midfield controller in that match cos Busi was just returning from injury n ini was so old n weak, what can a Vidal do in that scenario? This 442 isn't taking us beyond la liga. We don't need to be dreaming about ini n xavi, we just need people that can control the midfield in a 3man midfield. Then 3 forwards, Vidal has no place in this team, it'll probably take valverde another year to realise this as usual... ala paulinho n malcom now.

We lost that game because of Valverde and Valverde alone.He messed up that champions league match and if had put up that Stamford Bridge performance we won't have lost that game at all. But with Paulinho,we went almost unbeaten and lost only 3 games all season. Controlling the midfield alone won't win us the champions league.We didn't need to completely boss the midfield against Chelsea but we knocked them out.Thats what we need Vidal for

Adiwana:


We lost that game because of Valverde and Valverde alone.He messed up that champions league match and if had put up that Stamford Bridge performance we won't have lost that game at all. But with Paulinho,we went almost unbeaten and lost only 3 games all season. Controlling the midfield alone won't win us the champions league.We didn't need to completely boss the midfield against Chelsea but we knocked them out.Thats what we need Vidal for

I laugh in swahili...Let's see how Vidal 'll surprise us. Vidal is Willian's version of a midfielder right now... they're are the busiest on the pitch.. heat map 'll be showing them everywhere, but when you check deeper than those stats, they've been doing nothing.

SerVik:
Vinicius wasn't much of a threat yesterday but I wouldn't completely allude it to roberto. Vinicius' decision making is terrible as was evident in the first leg so solari tried to reduce the shooting burden on him. He was instructed to find benzema and bale in space, both of whom have better accuracy or At least are supposed to.

So unlike the first game where vinicius was constantly burning semedo with pace and was always looking to cut in, in yesterday's game we saw more of crosses and lay offs from him. And the fact that pique and rakitic all teamed up to support Roberto was also a masterstroke, semedo didn't get that much support in the first leg, he was often left isolated against not just vinicius but regulion.

Roberto offers loads more in attack as can be seen in his assist and goal numbers but semedo is better defensively. At the end of the day, it all boils down to finding the right balance.

I wish there was a way to pin a post on NL. Well said and very correct.

SerVik:

First off, i didn't say not to give credit to Roberto, my point is that the whole defensive unit put in a collective shift, Roberto was just a piece in a much larger puzzle, a small piece even.

Also, it seems you're getting your timeline mixed up. Pique came out more in this game than he did in the first leg. The few times pique had anything to do with vinicius in the first leg were times when he had wanted to cut in and go directly at goal. Yesterday we saw pique come out alot to keep vini at bay. Now pique is slow AF but he has an excellent gift of timing. His well timed sliding tackles provided several clearances yesterday(he made 14 of those to be precise).

Also, for much of the first leg it was semedo against reguilon and Vini. Remember, Roberto was supposed to support semedo but semedo got very little help. I don't know a lot of right backs that can successful keep a team of double-tagging, young, energetic wingers at bay. Heck! Even Dani alves was taken to the cleaners by effing onyekuru.
For all the fuss being made against semedo's 1st leg performance, he reduced vinicius' attempts to just a shot on target. For all the times he was dribbled past, he almost always recovered to make timely blocks. He made 2 blocks to prevent a goal. For comparisons sake, Roberto made 0 blocks yesterday, lenglet made four and pique made 3.

Although Roberto made some good interceptions yesterday, his job was made much more easier with help from pique, rakitic and a very industrious Vidal. This is not to sleep on Roberto, he was massive yesterday, easily one of the best players on the night.

Pique came out more?? How did he come out more when he was busy blocking shots in the first half and dude made 14 clearances the whole game.Rakitic didn't when cover Roberto that much in the whole game.What he did very well was not to allow that 2 v 1 from Vinicus and Ruggilion against Roberto. Pique got his position very right.Yes Roberto didn't do very well in that Rakitic position in the second leg but he made Vin play crosses this time around.All in all it was a very solid game

Olamyyde:
All of una wey say roberto is better defensively...did u watch the match valverde played roberto as an lb and semedo as an lb?



Roberto was raped consistently...gave another disasterclass. Caused a re,tarded goal. Guess what our coach did? He subbed semedo who had a good performance after 1st half and replaced him with roberto at rb. I think we ended drawing the match. Roberto played average there.



Una no go see that one ooo...but you will all watch classico and start saying trash.

Valencia
This isn't supposed to be a debate or argument.

Adiwana:


Both play different things.Arthur is a CM while Vidal is a Box to Box Midfielder. Arthur was injured and we did just fine and didn't even miss him.

we didn't miss who? I believe you watch these matches, and not livescores.

10Dove:
I laugh in swahili...Let's see how Vidal 'll surprise us. Vidal is Willian's version of a midfielder right now... they're are the busiest on the pitch.. heat map 'll be showing them everywhere, but when you check deeper than those stats, they've been doing nothing.

He doesn't need to surprise anybody as he has either played very good or very bad.No in betweens so i dont really see any extra ordinary performance hes going to put in.And most of the times he's really been in his game,he has put in that 2015 Juventus performance.As i already said,him being busy is covering Semedo.

If you watched Vidal at Juventus.Then,you will know he likes sprinting into the box to challenge for balls.Thats not what he does in this team.Hes job is to stop teams from attacking and as i said,he's doing it very well

Adiwana:


He doesn't need to surprise anybody as he has either played very good or very bad.No in betweens so i dont really see any extra ordinary performance hes going to put in.And most of the times he's really been in his game,he has put in that 2015 Juventus performance.As i already said,him being busy is covering Semedo.

If you watched Vidal at Juventus.Then,you will know he likes sprinting into the box to challenge for balls.Thats not what he does in this team.Hes job is to stop teams from attacking and as i said,he's doing it very well

Lol... When has he been in his game in barca colours? Y'all still celebrated Paulinho b4 the coach realised his transfer was a mistake... so I won't even go further on this Vidal matter.

10Dove:
We didnt miss him? Smh! Arthur is the best we've signed for the past 3 seasons, followed closely by umtiti n Dembele... Vidal does not even come close!

you guys are seriously underestimating Vidal. I used to do the same too. I thought he simply ran around committing fouls. It's only in recent games I've understood his purpose. Every player have their role. Vidal is more of a Rakitic and Busquets kind of player, do the dirty work and sometimes don't get any recognition.

Arthur cannot do the work Vidal does. That's why Arthur always plays with Rakitic and Vidal. For all his expertise at passing and holding on to the ball, he isn't that great defensively. That's why EV does not play Arthur and Coutinho together in midfield.

Adiwana:


Thank you for this.At the end of the day, each player offers us something different in different matches and that is what we actually need

variety is the spice of life

Ozkar:
you guys are seriously underestimating Vidal. I used to do the same too. I thought he simply ran around committing fouls. It's only in recent games I've understood his purpose. Every player have their role. Vidal is more of a Rakitic and Busquets kind of player, do the dirty work and sometimes don't get any recognition.

Arthur cannot do the work Vidal does. That's why Arthur always plays with Rakitic and Vidal. For all his expertise at passing and holding on to the ball, he isn't that great defensively. That's why EV does not play Arthur and Coutinho together in midfield.

You just stated more reason why E.V is a coward n a mini mourinho simple...

SerVik:

First off, i didn't say not to give credit to Roberto, my point is that the whole defensive unit put in a collective shift, Roberto was just a piece in a much larger puzzle, a small piece even.

Also, it seems you're getting your timeline mixed up. Pique came out more in this game than he did in the first leg. The few times pique had anything to do with vinicius in the first leg were times when he had wanted to cut in and go directly at goal. Yesterday we saw pique come out alot to keep vini at bay. Now pique is slow AF but he has an excellent gift of timing. His well timed sliding tackles provided several clearances yesterday(he made 14 of those to be precise).

Also, for much of the first leg it was semedo against reguilon and Vini. Remember, Roberto was supposed to support semedo but semedo got very little help. I don't know a lot of right backs that can successful keep a team of double-tagging, young, energetic wingers at bay. Heck! Even Dani alves was taken to the cleaners by effing onyekuru.
For all the fuss being made against semedo's 1st leg performance, he reduced vinicius' attempts to just a shot on target. For all the times he was dribbled past, he almost always recovered to make timely blocks. He made 2 blocks to prevent a goal. For comparisons sake, Roberto made 0 blocks yesterday, lenglet made four and pique made 3.

Although Roberto made some good interceptions yesterday, his job was made much more easier with help from pique, rakitic and a very industrious Vidal. This is not to sleep on Roberto, he was massive yesterday, easily one of the best players on the night.

thank you! Most of Madrid's attack came from Vinicius' wing. If Roberto pocketed Vinicius like everyone is saying, how come Pique had to do so much?

The team as a whole was defensively better in this game, and Roberto was not isolated as Semedo was.

To be fair, attack is the best form of defense, and Roberto did great overall. He seems to play his best games in the Clasico.

Sommyroy10:
we didn't miss who? I believe you watch these matches, and not livescores.

Which livescore?? See,we mostly play 2 systems.433 Flat in which Busquet,Arthur and Rakitic play as 3 CMs and 433 in which Busquets plays as DM, Rakitic as CM and Vidal as Box to Box.When Arthur was playing before he got injured,Busquet wasn't really on top of his game as he played as a CM instead of his DM role.And remember that we conceded a lot then and lost a couple of games with Arthur ahead of Vidal in that line up.But since he got injured and Vidal came in,Busquet has really improved as he has gone back to that DM role and we have not really lost any game and has conceded less even though the team's form has generally dipped.You can't underestimate what Vidal brings to the table

snrman:
As for me our coach does not still hv sense. Let him prove me wrong tho

what else do you want EV to do na

10Dove:
You just stated more reason why E.V is a coward n a mini mourinho simple...

we'd be exposed the day we leave the whole midfield to Arthur. Maybe you don't realize it yet. Arthur is a great player, but he's not quite there yet.

You think Xavi and Iniesta were so formidable only because they could thread passes and move past players? They also knew how to win back the ball.

Adiwana:


Which livescore?? See,we mostly play 2 systems.443 Flat in which Busquet,Arthur and Rakitic play as 3 CMs and 443 in which Busquets plays as DM, Rakitic as CM and Vidal as Box to Box.When Arthur was playing before he got injured,Busquet wasn't really on top of his game as he played as a CM instead of his DM role.And remember that we conceded a lot then and lost a couple of games with Arthur ahead of Vidal in that line up.But since he got injured and Vidal came in,Busquet has really improved as he has gone back to that DM role and we have not really lost any game and has conceded less even though the team's form has generally dipped.You can't underestimate what Vidal brings to the table

Is there any formation like 443?

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Ozkar:
you guys are seriously underestimating Vidal. I used to do the same too. I thought he simply ran around committing fouls. It's only in recent games I've understood his purpose. Every player have their role. Vidal is more of a Rakitic and Busquets kind of player, do the dirty work and sometimes don't get any recognition.

Arthur cannot do the work Vidal does. That's why Arthur always plays with Rakitic and Vidal. For all his expertise at passing and holding on to the ball, he isn't that great defensively. That's why EV does not play Arthur and Coutinho together in midfield.

Thank you very much for this.Someone who really sees what Vidal does to this team.He does the dirty work of the team but of course such players don't get the accolade they deserve.Arthur is for games we need to control the tempo and pace of the game.Hes not needed ahead of Vidal against teams that requires aggression.Athletico Madrid game is the perfect example where Arthur was bullied off the ball a lot.Vidal came in and things changed a lot for us in that game.But of course,people won't see it

Ozkar:
we'd be exposed the day we leave the whole midfield to Arthur. Maybe you don't realize it yet. Arthur is a great player, but he's not quite there yet.

You think Xavi and Iniesta were so formidable only because they could thread passes and move past players? They also knew how to win back the ball.

The whole team used pressing to win the ball back then, not xavi, not Iniesta! Xaviesta and busquest retained the ball very well. Rakitic Arthur n Busi is the best midfield combo barca can field. No place for vidal

10Dove:
Is there any formation like 443?

sorry.433

If EV plays the players you guys want and we lose matches, it's still you guys that would be calling for his head.

I think EV is an overly cautious coach, and sometimes his lineup and changes piss me off, but you have to realize that in the end, it's the result that truly counts. It is thanks to him that we are still in 3 competitions.

Even Pep could not sustain the intensity of arguably the greatest Barca side ever. Give EV some slack.

Adiwana:


sorry.433

Lol. Valverde does not play 433.. didn't you remind me of that earlier

Adiwana:


Pique came out more?? How did he come out more when he was busy blocking shots in the first half and dude made 14 clearances the whole game.Rakitic didn't when cover Roberto that much in the whole game.What he did very well was not to allow that 2 v 1 from Vinicus and Ruggilion against Roberto. Pique got his position very right.Yes Roberto didn't do very well in that Rakitic position in the second leg but he made Vin play crosses this time around.All in all it was a very solid game

I honestly do not know what to say to you if you did not see pique coming out to make clearances. I remember pointing this out to the guy seated next to me and telling him that any decent tactical coach would attack those spaces.

Ozkar:
If EV plays the players you guys want and we lose matches, it's still you guys that would be calling for his head.

I think EV is an overly cautious coach, and sometimes his lineup and changes piss me off, but you have to realize that in the end, it's the result that truly counts. It is thanks to him that we are still in 3 competitions.

Even Pep could not sustain the intensity of arguably the greatest Barca side ever. Give EV some slack.

The best coaches do not win every game... Barca fans these days ehn... smh!

Ozkar:
If EV plays the players you guys want and we lose matches, it's still you guys that would be calling for his head.

I think EV is an overly cautious coach, and sometimes his lineup and changes piss me off, but you have to realize that in the end, it's the result that truly counts. It is thanks to him that we are still in 3 competitions.

Even Pep could not sustain the intensity of arguably the greatest Barca side ever. Give EV some slack.

who created that team in the first place? What has E.V created for you to even mention his name in same sentence with pep?