Today I met a theist returning from her place of worship.

She wanted to preach to me so I asked her this question 'WHY DID GOD GIVE US FREE WILL?' and her response was,

'God gave people a free will, so that we could make our own choices.'

i asked again,


'How do you justify that your imaginary loving version of god drowned millions of humans (including innocent animals) in a great flood for having the free will that he gave them?'

babe said she doesn't have answer for it.


So i am calling on NL bishop @jesusjnr2, NL archbishop @OnlyinJESUS NL Rev @MuttleyLaff and NL Evangelist @Victorian to come help her out.

The human freewill is part of the soul (mind, emotion and volition). God gave us a free volition so we can align it with His own will and be His regents in this world. But man gave up not only his will, but also his mind and emotions to the control of the devil. Man's spirit became dead to God and could not control his soul anymore after the Fall. The devil became the controller of man's soul through the seen environment.

But a man's will cannot be in harmony with God's Will except the man's spirit has been regenerated by God's Spirit. This is where the work of the Holy Spirit of God comes in to play through the finished work of Jesus Christ - the Messiah.

GreatResearcher:
Today I met a theist returning from her place of worship.

She wanted to preach to me so I asked her this question 'WHY DID GOD GIVE US FREE WILL?' and her response was,

'God gave people a free will, so that we could make our own choices.'

i asked again,


'How do you justify that your imaginary loving version of god drowned millions of humans (including innocent animals) in a great flood for having the free will that he gave them?'

babe said she doesn't have answer for it.


So i am calling on NL bishop @jesusjnr2, NL archbishop @OnlyinJESUS NL Rev @MuttleyLaff and NL Evangelist @Victorian to come help her out.

I don't believe in that *goddess* by the name of FREEWILL.
there's no such thing as free will.
Before anyone who claims to be a Christian come swallow me, let's define the popular notion called FREE WILL

In religious circles esp Christianity (false version)
Free Will is the inherent or innate ability to chose between good and evil. So basically, when a SUPPOSED CHRISTIAN (like that lady) talks about Free will, she's talking about an ability to chose between good and evil.

Now, does that notion of free will exist? Definitely not, man is not free to choose or do between good and evil, fallen man is actually a slave yes, a slave of his own will. He can chose between this or that evil, but he can never do good, yea he can never do an acceptable GOOD in God's holy law.

In summary, man has no free will, he is a slave of sin yea the very slave and tool of the devil

Also, a man ACTS ACCORDING TO HIS NATURE.
I see a bird then think about flying, no matter how strongly I crave to fly like a bird, I WILL NEVER fly like one.

Why? Cause I have no organ for flight
Likewise, a man may really will or want to do good (i.e what HE PERCEIVES to be good) and still won't be able to.

A man may want to stop sinning.
In short, a man cannot stop sinning
It's the very foundation of his new fallen nature

onlyinJESUS:
I don't believe in that *goddess* by the name of FREEWILL.
there's no such thing as free will.
Before anyone who claims to be a Christian come swallow me, let's define the popular notion called FREE WILL

In religious circles esp Christianity (false version)
Free Will is the inherent or innate ability to chose between good and evil. So basically, when a SUPPOSED CHRISTIAN (like that lady) talks about Free will, she's talking about an ability to chose between good and evil.

Now, does that notion of free will exists? Definitely not, man is not free to choose between good and evil, fallen man is actually a slave yes, a slave of his own will. He can chose between this or that evil, but he can never do good, yea he can never do an acceptable GOOD in God's holy law.

In summary, man has no free will, he is a slave of sin yea the very slave and tool of the devil

What onlyinJESUS, came first the obedience command or the knowing evil and good desire?

Now make no mistake, my dear friend and brother onlyinJESUS, freewill came even before obedience and knowing good and evil and free will before it was abused and/or misused originally was given to decide whether to obey or not obey God's expressed command not to eat off the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Man is free and can choose between good and evil but the choice on itself is not good enough to save him. It is a good choice and start to make, to believe, in the existence of an Uncreated Living, Intelligent, Omniscient, Omnipresent, Self-Supporting, All-Powerful Omnipotent, Absolute Authority, and Influence Self-Existing Superior being.

MuttleyLaff:
What onlyinJESUS, came first the obedience command or the knowing evil and good desire?

Now make no mistake, my dear friend and brother onlyinJESUS, freewill came even before obedience and knowing good and evil and free will before it was abused and/or misused originally was given to decide whether to obey or not obey God's expressed command not to eat off the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Man is free and can choose between good and evil but the choice on itself is not good enough to save him. It is a good choice and start to make, to believe, in the existence of an Uncreated Living, Intelligent, Omniscient, Omnipresent, Self-Supporting, All-Powerful Omnipotent, Absolute Authority, and Influence Self-Existing Superior being.

Let's sort things out, but before we can do that, we have to take things one after another.

First, do you agree with me that the only freedom man has, is to act according to the dictates of his nature?

Therefore, even if we are to employ the word "free will" in this ensuing discussion, it must that man has a freedom to act only according to his nature.. Thanks

onlyinJESUS:
Let's sort things out, but before we can do that, we have to take things one after another.

Of course now, I like it when people are ready and willing to stop putting the cart before the horse. It makes life and everything else become sweet, simple and easy, doesnt it?

onlyinJESUS:
First, do you agree with me that the only freedom man has, is to act according to the dictates of his nature?

Man has freewill period. Whether to the dictates of his or her nature, freewill is freewill and the person has the freedom to exercise or not exercise it.

onlyinJESUS:
Therefore, even if we are to employ the word "free will" in this ensuing discussion, it must that man has a freedom to act only according to his nature.. Thanks

It seems and I am strongly suspecting, you're one of those in denial of believing that people can behave and/or act out of character. Am I right or wrong about you on that?

MuttleyLaff:
Of course now, I like it when people are ready and willing to stop putting the cart before the horse. It makes life and everything else become sweet, simple and easy, doesnt it?

Sure it does.

Man has freewill period. Whether to the dictates of his or her nature, freewill is freewill and the person has the freedom to exercise or not exercise it.

man, has freewill to act against his nature?surely you aren't saying that. It's both unscriptural and illogical.

Scriptures talk about men being slaves of sins.

It seems and I am strongly suspecting, you're one of those in denial of believing that people can behave and/or act out of character. Am I right or wrong about you on that?

What I believe (in accordance with the teaching of scriptures) is that man is DEAD IN SINS and trespasses, his eyes are blind to the truth, he doesn't understand God's words.

He knows how to do evil, but real good, he cannot do.

He's a slave to sin....
He's not some free neither good nor bad person.
He lost his purity when Adam fell and he's now unable to do good but very capable of all evil

onlyinJESUS:

Sure it does.



man, has freewill to act against his nature?surely you aren't saying that. It's both unscriptural and illogical.

Scriptures talk about men being slaves of sins.



What I believe (in accordance with the teaching of scriptures) is that man is DEAD IN SINS and trespasses, his eyes are blind to the truth, he doesn't understand God's words.

He knows how to do evil, but real good, he cannot do.

He's a slave to sin....
He's not some free neither good nor bad person.
He lost his purity when Adam fell and he's now unable to do good but very capable of all evil

Are u tellin me dat u are unable to do good?

MuttleyLaff:
Of course now, I like it when people are ready and willing to stop putting the cart before the horse. It makes life and everything else become sweet, simple and easy, doesnt it?

Man has freewill period. Whether to the dictates of his or her nature, freewill is freewill and the person has the freedom to exercise or not exercise it.

It seems and I am strongly suspecting, you're one of those in denial of believing that people can behave and/or act out of character. Am I right or wrong about you on that?

How do you justify that a loving god drowned millions of humans (including innocent animals) in a great flood for having the free will
that he gave them?

onlyinJESUS:
Sure it does.

We'll see

onlyinJESUS:
man, has freewill to act against his nature, surely you aren't saying that. It's both unscriptural and illogical.

Naija has a colloiqual that says that, "when pesin dey cry, hin no mean say pesin no dey still see road ooo". My dear new friend, everything is the grace and mercy of God. Tell me, answer me, are you not redeemed from your old nature?

onlyinJESUS:
Scriptures talk about men being slaves of sins.

All men have to be a slave of something or someone. This is an inescapable fact.

onlyinJESUS:
What I believe (in accordance with the teaching of scriptures) is that man is DEAD IN SINS and trespasses, his eyes are blind to the truth, he doesn't understand God's words.

What truth specifically, is man blind to please?

onlyinJESUS:
He knows how to do evil, but real good, he cannot do.

He's a slave to sin....
He's not some free neither good nor bad person.
He lost his purity when Adam fell and he's now unable to do good but very capable of all evil

My dear friend, you're all over place, skipping and hopping on to one subject of unrelated interest like "slave of sin" to another remote subject of unrelated interest or connection like "unable to do good". The freewill is unfinished business and you're jumping and/or dancing excitedly around to other remote subjects. You still are putting the cart before the horse

Now you've gone making it sound as if man after the fall had no residual good in them enough to do any ounce of good. If you must know, man knows how to do evil because evil comes from the abuse and misuse of freewill

MuttleyLaff:


What truth specifically, is man blind to please

A whole lot,1) he's blind to the fact that Adam was his representative. When Adam sinned, he sinned with Adam. I.e All men have sinned. Infants themselves die because they sinned in Adam. Death is the wages of sin. Anyone who isn't a sinner (Actual or imputed) can't die.
Jesus died because the sins of his people were imputed on him.

2) man is blind to his total depravity. He doesn't know that Romans 3:10-18 talks about him, yes as God sees him

My dear friend, you're all over place, skipping and hopping on to one subject of unrelated interest like "slave of sin" to another remote subject of unrelated interest or connection like "unable to do good". The freewill is unfinished business and you're jumping and/or dancing excitedly around to other remote subjects. You still are putting the cart before the horse

I understand why you think I'm skipping topics. And that's because you can't see the relationship between the points.
Everything i post on a particular topic is connected one to the other.

Now you've gone making it sound as if man after the fall had no residual good in them enough to do any ounce of good

Yes, he has NO RESIDUAL good.
It's either one is perfectly good or he isn't.
The state of being good doesn't admit of degrees (before God's law)

GreatResearcher:
Today I met a theist returning from her place of worship.

She wanted to preach to me so I asked her this question 'WHY DID GOD GIVE US FREE WILL?' and her response was,

'God gave people a free will, so that we could make our own choices.'

i asked again,


'How do you justify that your imaginary loving version of god drowned millions of humans (including innocent animals) in a great flood for having the free will that he gave them?'

babe said she doesn't have answer for it.


So i am calling on NL bishop @jesusjnr2, NL archbishop @OnlyinJESUS NL Rev @MuttleyLaff and NL Evangelist @Victorian to come help her out.

You met a baby christian

onlyinJESUS:
A whole lot

Oh yeah

onlyinJESUS:
1) he's blind to the fact that Adam was his representative. When Adam sinned, he sinned with Adam. i.e All men have sinned. Infants themselves die because they sinned in Adam. Death is the wages of sin. Anyone who isn't a sinner (Actual or imputed) can't die.
Jesus died because the sins of his people were imputed on him.

And are you included in those blind to this truth?

onlyinJESUS:
2) man is blind to his total depravity. He doesn't know that Romans 3:10-18 talks about him, yes as God sees him

Are you again included in those blind to this truth?

onlyinJESUS:
I understand why you think I'm skipping topics. And that's because you can't see the relationship between the points.
Everything i post on a particular topic is connected one to the other.

I dont mind you you skipping topics but at least, have the courtesy decency and discipline to finish perfectly well, one topic you've started, before jumping on to two, three and four further up ahead and down the line

onlyinJESUS:
Yes, he has NO RESIDUAL good.

Are you sure about this dear friend?
I know you're getting to know I will grill you, like asking you now that, if no residual good, then:
1/ Why was Enoch able to walk with God, dear friend onlyinJESUS?
2/ For what reason was Job said to be a righteous man and by de facto, in Job 1:3, said to be greatest of all the sons from the East, as in, he was greater than any of the sons of the east, dear friend onlyinJESUS?
3/ What reason was Noah a just man and perfect in his generations for and also walked with God, dear friend onlyinJESUS?
4/ Why was Abraham credited with righteousness, dear friend onlyinJESUS, huh?

onlyinJESUS:
It's either one is perfectly good or he isn't.

Hey, no so fast Jose, we weren't talking about perfectly good here, to start with. What's your game, what are you playing at, huh?

onlyinJESUS:
The state of being good doesn't admit of degrees (before God's law)

I am not following you, so how do you mean with this comment, huh, onlyinJESUS dear friend?

It seems even among the christians, the actuality of freewill is controversial.....
Hmmm.... curious indeed......

Some christians believe in the presence of freewill, but when the chips are down and trouble arises, it becomes a part of god's plan.....
Do terrorists have freewill? Why should they? Doesn't god always have a plan? Can anything happen in heaven and on earth that is not in accordance to HIS will?......

Its God's plan up against freewill. One must stand and the other must bow but they cannot both be potentates over the events of the universe.....

blessingsystem:


You met a baby christian

U adult christian answer it na

onlyinJESUS:


A whole lot,1) he's blind to the fact that Adam was his representative. When Adam sinned, he sinned with Adam. I.e All men have sinned. Infants themselves die because they sinned in Adam. Death is the wages of sin. Anyone who isn't a sinner (Actual or imputed) can't die.
Jesus died because the sins of his people were imputed on him.

2) man is blind to his total depravity. He doesn't know that Romans 3:10-18 talks about him, yes as God sees him


I understand why you think I'm skipping topics. And that's because you can't see the relationship between the points.
Everything i post on a particular topic is connected one to the other.


Yes, he has NO RESIDUAL good.
It's either one is perfectly good or he isn't.
The state of being good doesn't admit of degrees (before God's law)

So infants that died committed sins? And the only way to escape death his to be seen free?

So Abraham who died committed sin?

GreatResearcher:
So infants that died committed sins? And the only way to escape death his to be seen free?

So Abraham who died committed sin?

I wouldn't be casting pearls before swine's....
What's your worldview? I have asked this several times.

onlyinJESUS:

I wouldn't be casting pearls before swine's....
What's your worldview? I have asked this several times.

What sin did Abraham comit that led to his death?