goalernestman:


and who told you Nigeria was not organized as a nation even before the British came, let me tell you Nigeria was a nation before, from the middle east to the south east and west was known as bight of benin or Benin, and the city of this place runs in street light as far as the eyes can according to captain Lourenco Pinto who came ti Nigeria then in 17th century

It's official, you are INSANE!

Get off the Internet and get medical assistance.

goalernestman:


and who told you Nigeria was not organized as a nation even before the British came, let me tell you Nigeria was a nation before, from the middle east to the south east and west was known as bight of benin or Benin, and the city of this place runs in street light as far as the eyes can according to captain Lourenco Pinto who came ti Nigeria then in 17th century

Not quite actually, it seems u are changing the concept of the creation of bight of Benin here is the acceptable reason for the creation of bight of Benin below.
Historical association with the Atlantic slave trade led to the region becoming known as slave coas. As in many other region across Africa, powerful kingdoms along the bight of Benin relied heavily on a long established slave trade that expanded greatly after the arrival of European powers and became a global trade with the colonization of America's. Estimates from 1640s suggest that Benin took in 1200 slaves a year. Restriction made it hard for slave volume to grow until new states and different routes began to make an increase in slave trade possible.
From what I have stated where was it mentioned bight of Benin was actually Benin empire. Dude accept they just named it after Benin not because Benin ruled Nigeria, since Nigeria was not created during that era I guess I should put Gulf of Guinea instead.

Weedfree:


Not quite actually, it seems u are changing the concept of the creation of bight of Benin here is the acceptable reason for the creation of bight of Benin below.
Historical association with the Atlantic slave trade led to the region becoming known as slave coas. As in many other region across Africa, powerful kingdoms along the bight of Benin relied heavily on a long established slave trade that expanded greatly after the arrival of European powers and became a global trade with the colonization of America's. Estimates from 1640s suggest that Benin took in 1200 slaves a year. Restriction made it hard for slave volume to grow until new states and different routes began to make an increase in slave trade possible.
From what I have stated where was it mentioned bight of Benin was actually Benin empire. Dude accept they just named it after Benin not because Benin ruled Nigeria, since Nigeria was not created during that era I guess I should put Gulf of Guinea instead.

you see you just short yourself in the foot.
1 you claim they never traded with Yoruba but now also saying benin was not only the people they traded with if benin was not the only peps who was the other people they traded with in that region of benin then.

2 saying Benin or bight of Benin is not Benin is like saying Nigeria or federal republic of Nigeria is not Nigeria

goalernestman:


and who told you Nigeria was not organized as a nation even before the British came, let me tell you Nigeria was a nation before, from the middle east to the south east and west was known as bight of benin or Benin, and the city of this place runs in street light as far as the eyes can according to captain Lourenco Pinto who came ti Nigeria then in 17th century

Dnt you understand that there was no federation known as Nigeria b4 1914 Nigeria as a nation was born in 1914. Life before then was base on tribes, ethnicity and cultural affiliation. It's like you don't even understand what it means to be a sovereign nation. Nothing like Nigeria b4 1914, so all this your ranting is out of context...

quote author=goalernestman post=76340279]

and who told you Nigeria was not organized as a nation even before the British came, let me tell you Nigeria was a nation before, from the middle east to the south east and west was known as bight of benin or Benin, and the city of this place runs in street light as far as the eyes can according to captain Lourenco Pinto who came ti Nigeria then in 17th century
[/quote]Dnt you understand that there was no federation known as Nigeria b4 1914 Nigeria as a nation was born in 1914. Life before then was base on tribes, ethnicity and cultural affiliation. It's like you don't even understand what it means to be a sovereign nation. Nothing like Nigeria b4 1914, so all this your ranting is out of context...

goalernestman:


and who told you Nigeria was not organized as a nation even before the British came, let me tell you Nigeria was a nation before, from the middle east to the south east and west was known as bight of benin or Benin, and the city of this place runs in street light as far as the eyes can according to captain Lourenco Pinto who came ti Nigeria then in 17th century

Dnt you understand that there was no federation known as Nigeria b4 1914 Nigeria as a nation was born in 1914. Life before then was base on tribes, ethnicity and cultural affiliation. It's like you don't even understand what it means to be a sovereign nation. Nothing like Nigeria b4 1914, so all this your ranting is out of context...

Weedfree:


Not quite actually, it seems u are changing the concept of the creation of bight of Benin here is the acceptable reason for the creation of bight of Benin below.
Historical association with the Atlantic slave trade led to the region becoming known as slave coas. As in many other region across Africa, powerful kingdoms along the bight of Benin relied heavily on a long established slave trade that expanded greatly after the arrival of European powers and became a global trade with the colonization of America's. Estimates from 1640s suggest that Benin took in 1200 slaves a year. Restriction made it hard for slave volume to grow until new states and different routes began to make an increase in slave trade possible.
From what I have stated where was it mentioned bight of Benin was actually Benin empire. Dude accept they just named it after Benin not because Benin ruled Nigeria, since Nigeria was not created during that era I guess I should put Gulf of Guinea instead.

I Gus's your answer was answer by you in your quote.

"Estimates from 1640s suggest that Benin took in 1200 slaves a year."

So what I will ask you is how many tribe or nation do they called Benin at that time?.

goalernestman:



you see you just short yourself in the foot.
1 you claim they never traded with Yoruba but now also saying benin was not only the people they traded with if benin was not the only peps who was the other people they traded with in that region of benin then.

2 saying Benin or bight of Benin is not Benin is like saying Nigeria or federal republic of Nigeria is not Nigeria

To put things in a term u would understand I said Benin empire were the first to trade with the Portuguese never said they where the only. I was talking about how Oyo empire traded with the north I didn't say all of Yoruba and from ur own knowledge u are telling me that only Yoruba and Benin people stayed in the southern part of Nigeria.
As I have said earlier the need for slaves didn't start until the 17th century. U think it is only the Portuguese that traded what about Britain that is why I kept Europeans with an S.
So bight of Benin is like saying Nigeria or federal republic of Nigeria. Well then let me explain something to u.
U do know that the Basin countries under bight of Benin are Nigeria, Ghana, Togo and Benin republic. Next thing u will be telling me that Benin empire conquered this places.

goalernestman:


I Gus's your answer was answer by you in your quote.

"Estimates from 1640s suggest that Benin took in 1200 slaves a year."

So what I will ask you is how many tribe or nation do they called Benin at that time?.

bight of Benin is just a name giving to that area. So u think no other tribe slave traded when Benin empire didn't even belief in selling their slaves very soon u well be thinking bight of Biafra also known as bight of bonny is only for Igbo people not knowing it is just an area that ships land to collect slaves.

goalernestman:


maybe the image will explain better.

benin was the name called southern eastern western Nigeria then only north was different, and benin city was the city, the ocean that flows below Nigeria then was called bight or bale of Benin meaning under Benin, the ocean was named to the country it lies on

Based on this map to the North it would be zamfara

Weedfree:


bight of Benin is just a name giving to that area. So u think no other tribe slave traded when Benin empire didn't even belief in selling their slaves very soon u well be thinking bight of Biafra also known as bight of bonny is only for Igbo people not knowing it is just an area that ships land to collect slaves.

What about Benin because in your quote that I brought out there is not bight in the Benin

Weedfree:


bight of Benin is just a name giving to that area. So u think no other tribe slave traded when Benin empire didn't even belief in selling their slaves very soon u well be thinking bight of Biafra also known as bight of bonny is only for Igbo people not knowing it is just an area that ships land to collect slaves.

Benin Empire didn't blv in selling their subject but where selling the Yoruba's

gregyboy:


It will be correct if he says benin was formal capital of southern part of nigeria which include the sw,ss,se tho thier influnce didnt spread to all but they made considerable effect indirectly to southern part of nigeria

LOL.

You and the OP, how do you people manage to type stuff like this with a straight face?

There was no such thing as a "capital of Nigeria" or "capital of southern Nigeria" pre-British conquest. Benin was only the capital of the part of the present-day South-South (by no means all of the south-south) which it regularly administered. Nothing more.

goalernestman:


What about Benin because in your quote that I brought out there is not bight in the Benin

Bight of Benin was named after the Benin empire for reasons I have stated earlier not because Benin ruled over the bight it is just a name.

Dartilo:




Benin Empire didn't blv in selling their subject but where selling the Yoruba's

Benin empire was not involved in selling of any slave and I didn't mention Yoruba people I meant slaves taking from land benin empire conquered. It was even mentioned that Benin helped people from being sold by hiding them and if I am wrong didn't a British representative came to Benin kingdom to ask him to give them slaves but he refused to and the British representative shot at him but his men shielded him didn't that happen.

Weedfree:


To put things in a term u would understand I said Benin empire were the first to trade with the Portuguese never said they where the only. I was talking about how Oyo empire traded with the north I didn't say all of Yoruba and from ur own knowledge u are telling me that only Yoruba and Benin people stayed in the southern part of Nigeria.
As I have said earlier the need for slaves didn't start until the 17th century. U think it is only the Portuguese that traded what about Britain that is why I kept Europeans with an S.
So bight of Benin is like saying Nigeria or federal republic of Nigeria. Well then let me explain something to u.
U do know that the Basin countries under bight of Benin are Nigeria, Ghana, Togo and Benin republic. Next thing u will be telling me that Benin empire conquered this places.

Estimates from 1640s suggest that Benin took in 1200 slaves a year.

This you quoted there is not bight of Benin but just Benin. So why are you confusing your self now

Weedfree:


Benin empire was not involved in selling of any slave and I didn't mention Yoruba people I meant slaves taking from land benin empire conquered. It was even mentioned that Benin helped people from being sold by hiding them and if I am wrong didn't a British representative came to Benin kingdom to ask him to give them slaves but he refused to and the British representative shot at him but his men shielded him didn't that happen.

Benin refuse to sell to the british at a particular time does not totally mean it was all the time...
Let me tell you the Portuguese and the Benin's were very close,benin traded More with Portugal dan brits,severally Portuguese went to war along with the benin but the brits were too desperate according to OBA OVORAMWEN dat it could scare a baby...benin sold slave to the Portuguese and to the brits whenever it please dem...Benin raided Akure,idah,and Agbor wat na happen to the conquered fellows,the able bodied men sti alive?

RedboneSmith:


LOL.

You and the OP, how do you people manage to type stuff like this with a straight face?

There was no such thing as a "capital of Nigeria" or "capital of southern Nigeria" pre-British conquest. Benin was only the capital of the part of the present-day South-South (by no means all of the south-south) which it regularly administered. Nothing more.

Decieve yourself to feel better the Maps are there for you to see the benin extended to the south west and south east and even north central kogi
It extended to the south west to osun ,ekiti,ondo,eko to the south east to onistha ,to the central kogi this influence where indirect influnce with a little direct influence on the vassal because of lack admistrative skills ....if you need prove go in research your self

gregyboy:



Decieve yourself to feel better the Maps are there for you to see the benin extended to the south west and south east and even north central kogi
It extended to the south west to osun ,ekiti,ondo,eko to the south east to onistha ,to the central kogi this influence where indirect influnce with a little direct influence on the vassal because of lack admistrative skills ....if you need prove go in research your self

For the sake of this argument, let us even accept that you are correct and Benin incorporated and regularly administered all the areas you mentioned. It still doesn't cover the entirety of Southern Nigeria. The bulk of the Southeast + Cross River and Akwa Ibom had neither direct nor indirect contact with your Benin, and they are still southern Nigeria.

It is plain dumb to speak of a "capital of Southern Nigeria" at a time when Nigeria or Southern Nigeria wasn't even a geographical expression let alone a political reality.

PS: Early maps about the African hinterland were notoriously inaccurate. That is an old argument; no need to rehash.

RedboneSmith:


For the same of this argument, let us even accept that you are correct and Benin incorporated and regularly administered all the areas you mentioned. It still doesn't cover the entirety of Southern Nigeria. The bulk of the Southeast + Cross River and Akwa Ibom had neither direct nor indirect contact with your Benin, and they are still southern Nigeria.

It is plain dumb to speak of a "capital of Southern Nigeria" at a time when Nigeria or Southern Nigeria wasn't even a geographical expression let alone a political reality.

PS: Early maps about the African hinterland were notoriously inaccurate. That is an old argument; no need to rehash.

The maps where by territorial influence the war between the British and benin was as a result oba of benin stoping the trading of any vsssal state with the british the british went ahead to trade with people at abia he warned against it tho the state wasnt a vassal ...the news got the British people it provoked the britsh that they soon saw a need to bring down benin before they could fully penetrate southern part of nigeria effectively ...this is to show you that benin had indirect control of the whole southern part of nigeria as at then indirectly especially on the issue of trade the Portuguese drew the maps based on influence they saw in benin to the southern part of nigeria ...are you aware that different ethnic group from the southern part of nigeria made direct influence to benin powers ...get the love to read history before you talk on history the itsekeris where the fishermen of the empire they are some edo migrant who can be found in ondo,ekiti,rivers,..it would be correct to say edo indirect influence to the southern oart of nigeria lack of good administration made them not to have direct influence

If it is not the Bini, a Yoruba protectorate under Oranmiyan and Eweka reversing ownership, it is Dahomey Women Warriors claiming or extending their kinship as Yoruba to their neighboring Yoruba.

It is now the turn of the Igbo. Let me help them with their spurious claims.

Jaja Opobo defied and stopped the British as middle men traders in Southern Nigeria and traded directly with European. Just like the Ijebu did for centuries with Arabs and Europeans.

So, Igbo through Jaja of Opobo and Ijebu ruled the Southern Nigeria? ���

not quite.

goalernestman:



Estimates from 1640s suggest that Benin took in 1200 slaves a year.

This you quoted there is not bight of Benin but just Benin. So why are you confusing your self now

The full name of Nigeria is Federal republic of Nigeria but they still just call it Nigeria so when they said Benin took in 1200 slaves a year they must have meant the bight of Benin took in 1200 slaves a year.

Weedfree:


The full name of Nigeria is Federal republic of Nigeria but they still just call it Nigeria so when they said Benin took in 1200 slaves a year they must have meant the bight of Benin took in 1200 slaves a year.

Lol are you a pastor? I think you must be lol

goalernestman:

Lol are you a pastor? I think you must be lol

so from ur statement I guess u don't contradict my point.

Dartilo:






Benin refuse to sell to the british at a particular time does not totally mean it was all the time...
Let me tell you the Portuguese and the Benin's were very close,benin traded More with Portugal dan brits,severally Portuguese went to war along with the benin but the brits were too desperate according to OBA OVORAMWEN dat it could scare a baby...benin sold slave to the Portuguese and to the brits whenever it please dem...Benin raided Akure,idah,and Agbor wat na happen to the conquered fellows,the able bodied men sti alive?

The Benin empire sold species and other things mostly to the Portuguese because of their close friendship. BUT not slaves for the fact that Benin empire valued their slaves and see it as a dishonourable to sell them.

goalernestman:


maybe the image will explain better.

benin was the name called southern eastern western Nigeria then only north was different, and benin city was the city, the ocean that flows below Nigeria then was called bight or bale of Benin meaning under Benin, the ocean was named to the country it lies on

benin was the name called southern eastern western Nigeria then only north was different


THIS IS PATENT FALSEHOOD.

BENIN WAS NEVER AT ANY TIME THE CAPITAL OF ANY KNOWN CITY.
THE NAME "BENIN" WAS THE CORRUPTION BY THE PORTUGUESE OF NAME OF A SUB ETHNIC GROUP WEST OF RIVER ETHIOPE. IT ALSO DOUBLES AS THE NAME THE TOWN -JUST LIKE THE SPARTANS (A SUB GREEK PEOPLE) WHO LIVE IN SPARTA. NO MORE, NO LESS.

THE ORIGINAL NAME OF THE TOWN WAS IGODOMIGODO WHEN IT WAS JUST A CHIEFDOM. IT BECAME "UBINI" OR "IBINU" WHEN IT ADOPTED AN URBAN STRUCTURE WITH THE IMPOSITION OF THE PREVALENT URBANIZED STYLE OF ADMINISTRATION IN CIRCA 13TH CENTURY MOST PROBABLY BY THE YORUBAS WITH WHOM THEY SHARE HISTORY AND CULTURE FROM CIRCA 13TH CENTURY.

THE NAME "EDO" WAS ADOPTED LATER TO INCORPORATE THE DIFFERENT PEOPLES OF OUTLYING DISTRICTS WHO ARE DISTINCT ETHNIC GROUPS ENTIRELY. BENIN WAS ABLE TO BRING THESE PEOPLE UNDER ITS SUZERAINTY BY FORCE OF ARMS OR ACCULTURATION OVER ALONG PERIOD.

the ocean that flows below Nigeria[/i]

THERE IS NO OCEAN FLOWING "BELOW" NIGERIA.

NIGERIA IS LOCATED WITHIN THE GULF OF GUINEA. THE GULF OF GUINEA ENCOMPASSES MOST OF WEST AFRICAN COUNTRIES. THE GULF WAS A NATURAL PHENOMENON FORMED BY THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. INSIDE A GULF YOU WILL FIND SEVERAL BIGHTS OR BAY.


then was called bight or bale of Benin meaning under Benin, the ocean was named to the country it lies on[i]

THIS IS ALSO ARRANT NONSENSE, YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A "BIGHT" OR "BAY" REALLY IS.

IN YOUR BIGOTED MIND, YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE THAT THE NAME OF THE PLACE AFTER WHICH A BIGHT IS NAME MEANS THE NAME CONNOTES PRIMACY OR POLITICAL INFLUENCE OR HEGEMONY OR IN YOUR WORDS "AN EMPIRE" OVER THE AREA IN QUESTION. THIS IS LAUGHABLE. IT EXPOSES YOUR LEVEL OF IGNORANCE IF ANYTHING.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THE BIGHT OF BENIN IS NOT CO-TERMINUS WITH BENIN KINGDOM OR EMPIRE.


A "BIGHT" OR "BAY" IS ACTUALLY A CURVE, ANGLE, CORNER OR BEND IN A SHALLOW COASTLINE FROM WHICH AN OCEAN GOING VESSEL COULD EASILY SAIL OUT ON A SINGLE TACK IN A SQUARE RIGGED VESSEL NOTWITHSTANDING THE DIRECTION OF THE WIND. SAILOR USUALLY IDENTIFY THESE GEOGRAPHICAL FEATURE BY GIVING A PLACE NAME CLOSEST TO IT IN THEIR NAVIGATIONAL CHARTS TO ENABLE THEM LOCATE THE PLACE EASILY WHEN THEY RETURN THERE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT HELPS THEM TO AVOID SHIP WRECKS.

BECAUSE A BIGHT IS CORNER OR A BED, THE LAND-FORM OF A BIGHT ACTS AS A BULWARK AGAINST TRADE-WINDS WHICH MIGHT PREVENT A SHIP AT ANCHOR FROM WEIGHING ANCHOR.

YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE VARIOUS COASTLINES IN WEST AFRICA WITH THIS MARITIME FEATURE WHILE 2 (AT BENIN AND PRESENT DAY BONNY BUT WRONGLY NAMED BIAFRA AFTER A TRIBE IN PRESENT DAY CAMEROUN) ARE IN NIGERIA.

OF A FACT, BENIN TERRITORY DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAVE A COASTLINE, IT WAS LAND LOCKED WHEN THE EUROPEANS ARRIVED. THE BROUHAHA WAS THAT IT WAS THE FIRST RAIN FOREST KINGDOM TO BE DISCOVERED WHICH APPEARED URBANIZED AND HAS A STRUCTURED POLITICAL SYSTEM HEADED BY A SEMI-DIVINE KING.

HERE ARE OTHER BIGHTS WHICH HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH A KINGDOM OR EMPIRE BUT NAMED BY EXPLORERS
1. GREAT AUSTRALIAN BIGHT
2. NEW YORK BIGHT
3. ROBSON BIGHT
4.HELIGOLAND BIGHT
5. SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA BIGHT
6. TRINITY BIGHT
7. SOUTH AND NORTH SARANAKI BIGHTS
8. MCKENZIE BIGHT ETC.

TO NAME THE POINT CLEARER, AS EXPLAINED ABOVE, A BIGHT IS SMALLER THAN A GULF. MANY BIGHTS CAN BE FOUND IN A GULF.
THE BIGHT OF BENIN IS ONE OF THE BIGHTS WITHIN THE GULF OF GUINEA BUT THERE IS NO ANCIENT EMPIRE CALLED "GUINEA"

The fact that they are so obsessed with Bini, Ile-Ibinu and Benin which they have no glue what it means until it was explained to them by the son on their conqueror, beats the joke out of any reasonable person.

They cling to it like a curse or honor fervently. The same way African American cling to their English, French or Portuguese names.

DonCandido:


benin was the name called southern eastern western Nigeria then only north was different


THIS IS PATENT FALSEHOOD.

BENIN WAS NEVER AT ANY TIME THE CAPITAL OF ANY KNOWN CITY.
THE NAME "BENIN" WAS THE CORRUPTION BY THE PORTUGUESE OF NAME OF A SUB ETHNIC GROUP WEST OF RIVER ETHIOPE. IT ALSO DOUBLES AS THE NAME THE TOWN -JUST LIKE THE SPARTANS (A SUB GREEK PEOPLE) WHO LIVE IN SPARTA. NO MORE, NO LESS.

THE ORIGINAL NAME OF THE TOWN WAS IGODOMIGODO WHEN IT WAS JUST A CHIEFDOM. IT BECAME "UBINI" OR "IBINU" WHEN IT ADOPTED AN URBAN STRUCTURE WITH THE IMPOSITION OF THE PREVALENT URBANIZED STYLE OF ADMINISTRATION IN CIRCA 13TH CENTURY MOST PROBABLY BY THE YORUBAS WITH WHOM THEY SHARE HISTORY AND CULTURE FROM CIRCA 13TH CENTURY.

THE NAME "EDO" WAS ADOPTED LATER TO INCORPORATE THE DIFFERENT PEOPLES OF OUTLYING DISTRICTS WHO ARE DISTINCT ETHNIC GROUPS ENTIRELY. BENIN WAS ABLE TO BRING THESE PEOPLE UNDER ITS SUZERAINTY BY FORCE OF ARMS OR ACCULTURATION OVER ALONG PERIOD.

the ocean that flows below Nigeria[/i]

THERE IS NO OCEAN FLOWING "BELOW" NIGERIA.

NIGERIA IS LOCATED WITHIN THE GULF OF GUINEA. THE GULF OF GUINEA ENCOMPASSES MOST OF WEST AFRICAN COUNTRIES. THE GULF WAS A NATURAL PHENOMENON FORMED BY THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. INSIDE A GULF YOU WILL FIND SEVERAL BIGHTS OR BAY.


then was called bight or bale of Benin meaning under Benin, the ocean was named to the country it lies on[i]

THIS IS ALSO ARRANT NONSENSE, YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A "BIGHT" OR "BAY" REALLY IS.

IN YOUR BIGOTED MIND, YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE THAT THE NAME OF THE PLACE AFTER WHICH A BIGHT IS NAME MEANS THE NAME CONNOTES PRIMACY OR POLITICAL INFLUENCE OR HEGEMONY OR IN YOUR WORDS "AN EMPIRE" OVER THE AREA IN QUESTION. THIS IS LAUGHABLE. IT EXPOSES YOUR LEVEL OF IGNORANCE IF ANYTHING.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THE BIGHT OF BENIN IS NOT CO-TERMINUS WITH BENIN KINGDOM OR EMPIRE.


A "BIGHT" OR "BAY" IS ACTUALLY A CURVE, ANGLE, CORNER OR BEND IN A SHALLOW COASTLINE FROM WHICH AN OCEAN GOING VESSEL COULD EASILY SAIL OUT ON A SINGLE TACK IN A SQUARE RIGGED VESSEL NOTWITHSTANDING THE DIRECTION OF THE WIND. SAILOR USUALLY IDENTIFY THESE GEOGRAPHICAL FEATURE BY GIVING A PLACE NAME CLOSEST TO IT IN THEIR NAVIGATIONAL CHARTS TO ENABLE THEM LOCATE THE PLACE EASILY WHEN THEY RETURN THERE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT HELPS THEM TO AVOID SHIP WRECKS.

BECAUSE A BIGHT IS CORNER OR A BED, THE LAND-FORM OF A BIGHT ACTS AS A BULWARK AGAINST TRADE-WINDS WHICH MIGHT PREVENT A SHIP AT ANCHOR FROM WEIGHING ANCHOR.

YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE VARIOUS COASTLINES IN WEST AFRICA WITH THIS MARITIME FEATURE WHILE 2 (AT BENIN AND PRESENT DAY BONNY BUT WRONGLY NAMED BIAFRA AFTER A TRIBE IN PRESENT DAY CAMEROUN) ARE IN NIGERIA.

OF A FACT, BENIN TERRITORY DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAVE A COASTLINE, IT WAS LAND LOCKED WHEN THE EUROPEANS ARRIVED. THE BROUHAHA WAS THAT IT WAS THE FIRST RAIN FOREST KINGDOM TO BE DISCOVERED WHICH APPEARED URBANIZED AND HAS A STRUCTURED POLITICAL SYSTEM HEADED BY A SEMI-DIVINE KING.

HERE ARE OTHER BIGHTS WHICH HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH A KINGDOM OR EMPIRE BUT NAMED BY EXPLORERS
1. GREAT AUSTRALIAN BIGHT
2. NEW YORK BIGHT
3. ROBSON BIGHT
4.HELIGOLAND BIGHT
5. SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA BIGHT
6. TRINITY BIGHT
7. SOUTH AND NORTH SARANAKI BIGHTS
8. MCKENZIE BIGHT ETC.

TO NAME THE POINT CLEARER, AS EXPLAINED ABOVE, A BIGHT IS SMALLER THAN A GULF. MANY BIGHTS CAN BE FOUND IN A GULF.
THE BIGHT OF BENIN IS ONE OF THE BIGHTS WITHIN THE GULF OF GUINEA BUT THERE IS NO ANCIENT EMPIRE CALLED "GUINEA"

goalernestman:
have you ever thought of what was the first capital city of Nigeria, first thing that comes to your mind is Lagos. no the first capital city of Nigeria was Benin city it was called the city of kings or Benin city. then it has a fence or walls around it. it was said that the fence or was rounding it are four times longer than the Great Wall of China, and consumed a hundred times more material than the Great Pyramid of Cheops. They took an estimated 150 million hours of digging to construct, and are perhaps the largest single archaeological phenomenon on the planet.

A Portuguese captain described the city in 1691:“Great Benin, where the king resides, is larger than Lisbon; all the streets run straight and as far as the eye can see. The houses are large, especially that of the king, which is richly decorated and has fine columns. The city is wealthy and industrious. It is so well governed.

benin city was the capital of Nigeria then until Benin was being conquered by the European in 1970 this enable them shift Nigeria city out of the state.

but you still heard benin city when reading state and capital this is also why they still called it Benin city till date.

and it is the only city called called city when reading state and capital.


if you think otherwise you can reply below let match the facts

I like this your history o, Mr. Historian.

So Benin was conquered by Europeans in 1970, 10 years after Nigeria got her independence?

Clap for yourself. Your primary school teachers must be very proud of you.

DonCandido:


benin was the name called southern eastern western Nigeria then only north was different


THIS IS PATENT FALSEHOOD.

BENIN WAS NEVER AT ANY TIME THE CAPITAL OF ANY KNOWN CITY.
THE NAME "BENIN" WAS THE CORRUPTION BY THE PORTUGUESE OF NAME OF A SUB ETHNIC GROUP WEST OF RIVER ETHIOPE. IT ALSO DOUBLES AS THE NAME THE TOWN -JUST LIKE THE SPARTANS (A SUB GREEK PEOPLE) WHO LIVE IN SPARTA. NO MORE, NO LESS.

THE ORIGINAL NAME OF THE TOWN WAS IGODOMIGODO WHEN IT WAS JUST A CHIEFDOM. IT BECAME "UBINI" OR "IBINU" WHEN IT ADOPTED AN URBAN STRUCTURE WITH THE IMPOSITION OF THE PREVALENT URBANIZED STYLE OF ADMINISTRATION IN CIRCA 13TH CENTURY MOST PROBABLY BY THE YORUBAS WITH WHOM THEY SHARE HISTORY AND CULTURE FROM CIRCA 13TH CENTURY.

THE NAME "EDO" WAS ADOPTED LATER TO INCORPORATE THE DIFFERENT PEOPLES OF OUTLYING DISTRICTS WHO ARE DISTINCT ETHNIC GROUPS ENTIRELY. BENIN WAS ABLE TO BRING THESE PEOPLE UNDER ITS SUZERAINTY BY FORCE OF ARMS OR ACCULTURATION OVER ALONG PERIOD.

the ocean that flows below Nigeria[/i]

THERE IS NO OCEAN FLOWING "BELOW" NIGERIA.

NIGERIA IS LOCATED WITHIN THE GULF OF GUINEA. THE GULF OF GUINEA ENCOMPASSES MOST OF WEST AFRICAN COUNTRIES. THE GULF WAS A NATURAL PHENOMENON FORMED BY THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. INSIDE A GULF YOU WILL FIND SEVERAL BIGHTS OR BAY.


then was called bight or bale of Benin meaning under Benin, the ocean was named to the country it lies on[i]

THIS IS ALSO ARRANT NONSENSE, YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A "BIGHT" OR "BAY" REALLY IS.

IN YOUR BIGOTED MIND, YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE THAT THE NAME OF THE PLACE AFTER WHICH A BIGHT IS NAME MEANS THE NAME CONNOTES PRIMACY OR POLITICAL INFLUENCE OR HEGEMONY OR IN YOUR WORDS "AN EMPIRE" OVER THE AREA IN QUESTION. THIS IS LAUGHABLE. IT EXPOSES YOUR LEVEL OF IGNORANCE IF ANYTHING.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THE BIGHT OF BENIN IS NOT CO-TERMINUS WITH BENIN KINGDOM OR EMPIRE.


A "BIGHT" OR "BAY" IS ACTUALLY A CURVE, ANGLE, CORNER OR BEND IN A SHALLOW COASTLINE FROM WHICH AN OCEAN GOING VESSEL COULD EASILY SAIL OUT ON A SINGLE TACK IN A SQUARE RIGGED VESSEL NOTWITHSTANDING THE DIRECTION OF THE WIND. SAILOR USUALLY IDENTIFY THESE GEOGRAPHICAL FEATURE BY GIVING A PLACE NAME CLOSEST TO IT IN THEIR NAVIGATIONAL CHARTS TO ENABLE THEM LOCATE THE PLACE EASILY WHEN THEY RETURN THERE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT HELPS THEM TO AVOID SHIP WRECKS.

BECAUSE A BIGHT IS CORNER OR A BED, THE LAND-FORM OF A BIGHT ACTS AS A BULWARK AGAINST TRADE-WINDS WHICH MIGHT PREVENT A SHIP AT ANCHOR FROM WEIGHING ANCHOR.

YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE VARIOUS COASTLINES IN WEST AFRICA WITH THIS MARITIME FEATURE WHILE 2 (AT BENIN AND PRESENT DAY BONNY BUT WRONGLY NAMED BIAFRA AFTER A TRIBE IN PRESENT DAY CAMEROUN) ARE IN NIGERIA.

OF A FACT, BENIN TERRITORY DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAVE A COASTLINE, IT WAS LAND LOCKED WHEN THE EUROPEANS ARRIVED. THE BROUHAHA WAS THAT IT WAS THE FIRST RAIN FOREST KINGDOM TO BE DISCOVERED WHICH APPEARED URBANIZED AND HAS A STRUCTURED POLITICAL SYSTEM HEADED BY A SEMI-DIVINE KING.

HERE ARE OTHER BIGHTS WHICH HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH A KINGDOM OR EMPIRE BUT NAMED BY EXPLORERS
1. GREAT AUSTRALIAN BIGHT
2. NEW YORK BIGHT
3. ROBSON BIGHT
4.HELIGOLAND BIGHT
5. SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA BIGHT
6. TRINITY BIGHT
7. SOUTH AND NORTH SARANAKI BIGHTS
8. MCKENZIE BIGHT ETC.

TO NAME THE POINT CLEARER, AS EXPLAINED ABOVE, A BIGHT IS SMALLER THAN A GULF. MANY BIGHTS CAN BE FOUND IN A GULF.
THE BIGHT OF BENIN IS ONE OF THE BIGHTS WITHIN THE GULF OF GUINEA BUT THERE IS NO ANCIENT EMPIRE CALLED "GUINEA"

Firstly I will say this to you:

1 GREAT AUSTRALIAN BIGHT is totally different from BIGHT OF BENIN or bight of anything when they say something is of meaning is of, eg back of john house is my house, my father is the head of our family, front of my room is Kelly room.

Agree of your claim of bight of which means CORNER ocen so this means that Benin was in corner of the oceans that flows below South Nigeria (Benin then) and west Africa

2 You claim Benin did not extend to this place that was just named bight of Benin: the slave cost Lagos which was the last Nigeria state in West and also last south in the side of the ocean was depended state of Benin if you can tell me another state below Lagos in there that was not Benin I will agree to your claim in that.


BUT THERE IS NO ANCIENT EMPIRE CALLED "GUINEA"

3 Wrong again here you claim you know history but you didn't know GUINEA was named after the "Ghana Empire" which was the first discovered west Africa empire by the European in 1471



THE IMAGE BELOW IS NOT A MAP OF OCEAN OR ANY BIGHT AGAIN BUT THE MAP OF THE COUNTRY IN WEST AFRICA THEN.

Draw and write by by Lázaro Luis in 1563

goalernestman:


Firstly I will say this to you:

1 GREAT AUSTRALIAN BIGHT is totally different from BIGHT OF BENIN or bight of anything when they say something is of meaning is of, eg back of john house is my house, my father is the head of our family, front of my room is Kelly room.

Agree of your claim of bight of which means CORNER ocen so this means that Benin was in corner of the oceans that flows below South Nigeria (Benin then) and west Africa

2 You claim Benin did not extend to this place that was just named bight of Benin: the slave cost Lagos which was the last Nigeria state in West and also last south in the side of the ocean was depended state of Benin if you can tell me another state below Lagos in there that was not Benin I will agree to your claim in that.


BUT THERE IS NO ANCIENT EMPIRE CALLED "GUINEA"

3 Wrong again here you claim you know history but you didn't know GUINEA was named after the "Ghana Empire" which was the first discovered west Africa empire by the European in 1471



THE IMAGE BELOW IS NOT A MAP OF OCEAN OR ANY BIGHT AGAIN BUT THE MAP OF THE COUNTRY IN WEST AFRICA THEN.

Draw and write by by Lázaro Luis in 1563

1 GREAT AUSTRALIAN BIGHT is totally different from BIGHT OF BENIN or bight of anything when they say something is of meaning is of, eg back of john house is my house, my father is the head of our family, front of my room is Kelly room.[/i]

THE ABOVE IS TOTAL A BU**SHIT!

YOU CLEARLY DID NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. THIS IS A CLASSIC DEFINITION OF GIBBERISH TALK.

YOU TOTALLY FAILED TO COMMUNICATE. YOU STATE THAT THE GREAT AUSTRALIAN BIGHT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE BIGHT OF BENIN AND THEN YOU WENT TO SLEEP ON ME. IN WHAT WAY OR MANNER?

A BIGHT HAS NO OTHER MEANING THAN WHAT I HAVE EXPLAINED TO YOU AND SHOWN YOU COPIOUS PICTURES OF. IT IS A NATURAL GEOGRAPHICAL PHENOMENON OR LANDFORM WHICH AIDS MARINERS/EXPLORERS SAFELY SAILING FROM ONE PART OF THE WORLD OR ANOTHER!
GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND!

Agree of your claim of bight of which means CORNER ocen so this means that Benin was in corner of the oceans that flows below South Nigeria (Benin then) and west Africa[i]

WHAT IS THIS? WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY?

THOUGHT I ADVISED YOU TO STOP SMOKING THAT OSHOGBO THINGY WHEN YOU COME ONLINE?

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY SAYING YOU "AGREE" TO MY CLAIM? WHAT CLAIM?

WHAT YOU SHOULD BE SAYING AFTER MY VERY PATIENT EXPLANATION IS; "YOU ARE RIGHT, I WAS WRONG. A BIGHT IS NOT COTERMINOUS WITH THE TERRITORY OF AN EMPIRE AND THAT ALTHOUGH A "BIGHT" MAY RHYME WITH "MIGHT", IT IS NOT THE SAME"

YOU SHOULD THEN GO FURTHER AND UNDERTAKE TO EDUCATE OTHER PEOPLE YOU HAVE BEEN MISINFORMING ONLINE THAT COUNTRIES LIKE LIBERIA, GHANA, TOGO, REPUBLIC OF BENIN AND NIGERIA WHICH ARE SITUATED WITHIN THE BIGHT OF BENIN ARE NOT IN FACT DEPENDENCIES OF BENIN KINGDOM OR EMPIRE AS YOU PEOPLE WISH TO CALL IT BUT THEY JUST HAPPEN TO FALL INTO A NATURAL GEOGRAPHICAL PHENOMENON CALLED A "BIGHT" .

You claim Benin did not extend to this place that was just named bight of Benin: the slave cost Lagos which was the last Nigeria state in West and also last south in the side of the ocean was depended state of Benin if you can tell me another state below Lagos in there that was not Benin I will agree to your claim in that.
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READ THE ABOVE NONSENSE YOU WROTE OVER AGAIN...
ONCE MORE, VERY SLOWLY...

DOES IT MAKE SENSE?

DO YOU REALLY EXPECT ANYONE ON NL READING THIS CRAP TO TAKE YOU SERIOUS THAT YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE THREAD YOU CREATED?

WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?

COMMUNICATE PLEASE.



BUT THERE IS NO ANCIENT EMPIRE CALLED "GUINEA"

3 Wrong again here you claim you know history but you didn't know GUINEA was named after the "Ghana Empire" which was the first discovered west Africa empire by the European in 1471[i]

NO, I DID NOT MAKE ANY CLAIM (S) OR ANY ASSERTION ANYWHERE ON THIS THREAD OR ANYWHERE ON NL THAT I KNOW HISTORY BUT I CAN READ AND I COMPREHEND AND WHAT I READ.

I AM RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG. THERE WAS NO EMPIRE CALLED "GUINEA".
THE EMPIRE OF "GHANA" IS NOT THE SAME AS "GUINEA". GUINEA EMPIRE NEVER EXISTED EXCEPT PERHAPS IN YOUR IMAGINATION.
NO, THE EUROPEANS DID NOT DISCOVER THE "EMPIRE OF GHANA" OR "EMPIRE OF GUINEA" FOR THAT MATTER IN 1471 OR AT ANY OTHER TIME WHATSOEVER.

LET ME HELP YOU.
ETYMOLOGY OF THE WORD "GUINEA" HAS BEEN LINKED BY SCHOLARS TO BERBERS WHO CALLED ALL PEOPLE TO REGIONS SOUTH OF SENEGAL RIVER "AKAL-N-INGUINAOUEN" MEANING "COUNTRY OF THE BLACK MAN". OTHER SCHOLARS BELIEVE IT WAS A CORRUPTION OF THE NAME OF THE MALIAN TOWN "DJENNE" BY ARABS. THE ARABS RECORDS HAVE SHOWN THE USE OF THE WORD "GENEWAH" TO REFER TO THE INHABITANTS OF DJENNE AND THEY ARE ALSO KNOWN TO HAVE USED THE PEJORATIVE TERM "GHINEWEN" MEANING BLACK TO REFERENCE BLACK MEN GENERALLY.

THE WORD "GUINEA" (ENGLISH) "GUINE" (PORTUGUESE) "GUINEE" (FRENCH) GOT TO EUROPE IN THE 15TH CENTURY THROUGH THE TRANS SAHARA TRADE IN GOLD AND OTHER PRECIOUS AFRICAN GOODS TO DENOTE GOODS COMING FROM BLACK AFRICA ( ARABS BUY FROM BLACK AFRICA; SELLS TO VENETIAN MERCHANTS ON THE MEDITERRANEAN SEA AND THE VENETIANS IN TURNS SELL IN EUROPE TO EUROPEANS).

YOUR ASSERTION THAT THE EUROPEANS DISCOVERED EMPIRE OF GHANA IN 1471 IS TO SAY THE LEAST RIDICULOUS BECAUSE THE ANCIENT EMPIRE CALLED "GHANA" HAD BEEN DESTROYED BY ALMORAVID INVASIONS IN THE 11TH CENTURY. THE REMNANT OF THE KINGDOM WAS ORGANISED BY SOUMANGURU KANTE INTO THE KINGDOM OF "SOSO" THE PORTUGUESE EXPLORATION STARTED IN 1420. THEY EXPLORED THE MODERN MAURITANIA (1443), GAMBIA RIVER AND SENEGAL (1455-1456) , CAPE VERDE (1456), MODERN SIERRA LEONE (1462) MODERN MODERN GHANA (1471), FERNANADO PO, SAO TOME (1485), BENIN (1485).

THE KINGDOM OF SOSO WAS REPLACED BY MALI EMPIRE. MALI EMPIRE ITSELF WENT INTO OBLIVION IN 1235 WHEN SUNDIATA KEITA (THE LAST OF THE GREAT MALIAN "MANSAS" WAS DEFEATED. BY THE WAY, THE RICHEST MAN IN THE ANCIENT WORLD WAS NOT KING SOLOMON BUT MANSA KANTOU MUSA WHO MADE THE FAMED VISIT TO MECCA IN 1324.

THE ONLY EMPIRE THE PORTUGUESE MET IN EXISTENCE IN THE 15TH CENTURY WHEN HENRY "THE NAVIGATOR" COMMISSIONED/SPONSORED THE EXPLORATION OF WEST AFRICAN COAST AND THE SEARCH FOR A PASSAGE TO INDIA IN 1420, WAS WAS THE SONGHAI EMPIRE WHICH HAD EARLIER SWALLOWED THE MALIAN EMPIRE. SONGHAI EMPIRE EXISTED FROM 1460 AND COLLAPSED DUE CIVIL WARS AFTER THE DEATH OF THE LAST ASKIA DAOUD IN 1582.

THE GULF NOW CALLED "GULF OF GUINEA" USING YOUR BIGHT OF BENIN LOGIC OUGHT TO BE CALLED "GULF OF SONGHAI" RIGHT? WRONG!

THE NATURAL GEOGRAPHICAL FEATURE CALLED GULF WAS SIMPLY GIVEN A CONVENIENT NAME PLATE OR NAME TAG BECAUSE IT DENOTES "LAND OF BLACK MEN" AND NOT "EMPIRE OF GHANA"

ON LIGHTER NOTE, DO YOU KNOW THAT THE GULF OF GUINEA CONTAINS ALL THE WEST AFRICAN COUNTRIES?

DO YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE 2 BIGHTS WITHIN THE GULF OF GUINEA?

DO YOU KNOW THAT BIGHT OF BENIN IS ONE OF THE BIGHTS WITHIN THE GULF OF GUINEA?

WOULD YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT BENIN KINGDOM WAS A KINGDOM UNDER "GHANA OR GUINEA EMPIRE" BECAUSE IT IS SITUATED WITHIN A GULF NAMED AFTER GHANA EMPIRE?


THE FAMOUS MAP OF "THE ELEPHANT" YOU ATTACHED TO SUPPORT YOUR POSITION TO SHOW THE EXISTENCE OF BENIN AND EUROPEAN KNOWLEDGE OF THE KINGDOM AS AT 16TH CENTURY HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE THE WORK OF A NONENTITY WHO HAD NEVER LEFT HIS CAVE IN WESTERN EUROPE BUT RELIED ON STORIES OF MARINERS IN TAVERNS TO MAKE IT!

THE GUYS SAYS A ONE EYED MONSTER OCCUPY THE WHOLE OF WEST AFRICA SAVANNAH! WHAT NONSENSE!

THE WHOLE OF EUROPE TILL TODAY MOCK THE MAP. IBN BATUTTA WOULD TURN IN HIS GRAVE IF CONFRONTED WITH SUCH IDIOTIC MAP.

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