http://www.compassnewspaper.com/NG/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=66958:aguiyi-ironsi-killed-true-federalism-in-nigeria-says-ishola-williams-&catid=43:news&Itemid=799


CHAIRMAN of Transparency International and Executive Secretary, Pan-African Strategic abd Police Research Group (PANAFSTRAG), Maj-Gen. Ishola Williams (rtd) has blamed the first military Head of State, the late Gen. Johnson Aguiyi-Ironsi, for lack of true federalism in the polity, saying his junta’s incursion into governance eroded people-centred political system.

Williams made the comment yesterday at the 11th Mike Okonkwo Annual Lecture, themed: Nigeria at 50: Its Leadership, Development and Future, held at the MUSON Centre, Onikan, Lagos.

He said the promulgation of Decree No. 1 of 1966 by the Ironsi-led regime was unnecessary and uncalled for, saying the military did not have any excuse for taking over the rein of government at that time.

Williams said that after the killing of Sir Tafawa Balewa, Ahmadu Bello, Dr. Okotie Eboh and others by the Kaduna Nzeogu insurgents, the most honourable thing for the military at that time to remedy the situation was to have handed over power to Mallam Bukar Dipcharima as the acting Prime Minister who, according to him, would have been supported by the military to conduct a credible election.

His words: “We adopted rather than adapted the political and socio-economic systems of the West to our history, culture and traditional governance. We started with federalism on the foundation of people-centered political system, but long period of military intervention led to the distortion of our political system and public sector governance.

“The Ironsi-led administration did not have business in government at the time he took over the government. He should have helped to improve the federalism by allowing the most senior politician to take over and conduct a credible election, thereafter.”

I understand Aguiyi for ending true Federalism.It was to appease the North who later killed him.The Igbos and South-South were highly advantaged with Nigeria's new found oil wealth in the East and Midwest but Ironsi chose to reduce that advantage so as to prove that Igbos wanted Nigeria to remain one.

Abagworo:

I understand Aguiyi for ending true Federalism.It was to appease the North who later killed him.The Igbos and South-South were highly advantaged with Nigeria's new found oil wealth in the East and Midwest but Ironsi chose to reduce that advantage so as to prove that Igbos wanted Nigeria to remain one.

next time dont go about fighting to prove a point ,just do the right thing and posterity will judge you

aguiyi:

next time dont go about fighting to prove a point ,just do the right thing and posterity will judge you

Who can know it better than the man in question.

uncle GEJ should also be told not to start thinking of proving a point to anybody or group but concentate on doing the right thing or else

aguiyi:

uncle GEJ should also be told not to start thinking of proving a point to anybody or group but concentate on doing the right thing or else

That is my reason for not wanting Jonathan to remain even though events seem to favour him.You cannot ignore a fundamental decision in order to remain in power.GEJ had the brightest chances of returning Nigeria to true federalism but he towed the path of Ironsi and he will regret later.

rythm 93.7 call it african leaders syndrome (ALS),they never learn,they cant teach,they are reactive rather than proactive,anyways hope he will not be the last presido the naija nation will know

Abagworo:

That is my reason for not wanting Jonathan to remain even though events seem to favour him.You cannot ignore a fundamental decision in order to remain in power.GEJ had the brightest chances of returning Nigeria to true federalism but he towed the path of Ironsi and he will regret later.

With due respect, the bolded is an immensely stupeed comment. True federalism requires several fundamental constitutional, societal, fiscal and organisational changes.

You think the President can simply get a copy of the constitution, cross out some lines, alter others, add a few fresh ones, then sign it? Are you living on the Moon?

Sometimes I wonder why some folk pretend to know things they so obviously don't. Dude, you don't know the meaning of true federalism, so please keep shut.

@topic
Yes, Ironsi did us bad and those that followed saw his actions as the greatest gift through which they could enslave and brutalise the nation.

But seeing the irony of what Ironsi was killed for is so funny.  They kill Ironsi because the thought he was reserving total power for all Igbos and that we will start dipping into the profits of their ground pyramids.  But once they got back power and the oil boom was just around the corner, they immediately adopted the same policy they so hated.

@ beaf ,what is it with your utterance ,i hope you dont mind if i consider your first sentence as a careless capping

aguiyi:

@ beaf ,what is it with your utterance ,i hope you dont mind if i consider your first sentence as a careless capping

Why? Do you think true federalism is something that can just be magically invoked on the country in a democracy?

Beaf:

Why? Do you think true federalism is something that can just be magically invoked on the country in a democracy?

na,you are most times logical yet abusive in your judgements and response to issues

I totally agreed with Ishola Williams that Aguiyi Ironsi out of naivity killed True federalism but the Yorubas and Ijaws willingly buried it.

okunoba:

http://www.compassnewspaper.com/NG/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=66958:aguiyi-ironsi-killed-true-federalism-in-nigeria-says-ishola-williams-&catid=43:news&Itemid=799


CHAIRMAN of Transparency International and Executive Secretary, Pan-African Strategic abd Police Research Group (PANAFSTRAG), Maj-Gen. Ishola Williams (rtd) has blamed the first military Head of State, the late Gen. Johnson Aguiyi-Ironsi, for lack of true federalism in the polity, saying his junta’s incursion into governance eroded people-centred political system.

Williams made the comment yesterday at the 11th Mike Okonkwo Annual Lecture, themed: Nigeria at 50: Its Leadership, Development and Future, held at the MUSON Centre, Onikan, Lagos.

He said the promulgation of Decree No. 1 of 1966 by the Ironsi-led regime was unnecessary and uncalled for, saying the military did not have any excuse for taking over the rein of government at that time.

Williams said that after the killing of Sir Tafawa Balewa, Ahmadu Bello, Dr. Okotie Eboh and others by the Kaduna Nzeogu insurgents, the most honourable thing for the military at that time to remedy the situation was to have handed over power to Mallam Bukar Dipcharima as the acting Prime Minister who, according to him, would have been supported by the military to conduct a credible election.

His words: “We adopted rather than adapted the political and socio-economic systems of the West to our history, culture and traditional governance. We started with federalism on the foundation of people-centered political system, but long period of military intervention led to the distortion of our political system and public sector governance.

“The Ironsi-led administration did not have business in government at the time he took over the government. He should have helped to improve the federalism by allowing the most senior politician to take over and conduct a credible election, thereafter.”

The post is arrant nonsense that usually gave rise to an idiotic phrase such as “North are born to Rule” in Nigeria and equally identify the nitwits from the south who helped create such crass utterance.

I wish to lay my hand on the early educational and career formulation of this so-called Maj-Gen. Ishola Williams. Again, it only in Nigeria that such person could become a sergeant in the army.

Nigerian constitution at the era in discuss does not have position of Acting Prime Minister or Deputy Prime Minister which was the reason the British refused to assist militarily because such request for British military intervention must come from the Prime Minister.

It is still beyond the pale of my imagination why Nigerians, due to tribal pressures, refused to accord respect to historical facts. Instead, they tend to wallow in unfounded conjectures.

It is a known fact that Mallam Zanna Bukar Dipcharima was not a ranking minister in Tafawa Balewa’ government. I can not fathom what informed the opinion among certain Nigerians that one party in a coalition government that could not form a government on its merits at the polls could all of a sudden produce a Prime Minister within a partnership government. Maybe the Kanuri people of Nigeria were born to become Prime Minister of Republic of Nigeria.

NPC and NCNC were the coalition partners in government and jointly agreed to have Tafawa Balewa as the Prime Minister and K O Madiwe the Ranking Minister. Since the Nigerian constitution did not make prevision for the post of Deputy Prime Minister, for all intents and practical purposes, the ranking minister deputizes for the Prime Minister.

In the aftermath of January 15, 1966 coup, both NPC and NCNC could not agree who should become the Prime Minister as the two parties nominated two candidates in the persons of Zipcharima and Mbadiwe. The constitution clearly stated that when coalition partners could not agree on consensus candidate for the post of Prima Minister, the parliament had to be dissolved and a call for fresh election.

It is safe to say that the so-called Maj-Gen. Ishola Williams has wrong grasp of the word-federalism. During the Tafawa Balewa led Nigerian government, the power of the government was still constituted at the center as it is today. What spurred the talk of this ill-informed true federalism in Nigeria is beyond my imagination?  I guess folks are not misconstruing democracy for federalism.

aguiyi:

na,you are most times logical yet abusive in your judgements and response to issues

I have no regrets for my words to Abagworo. Our arguments go back a long way and are tense, because he supports terrorism under the guise that he loves true federalism, yet he doesn't even have the slightest clue of what the definition of true federalism entails.
If you go through his posts, you will notice a very ugly trend.

I have no regrets whatsoever. The future of our country and generations yet unborn must not be toyed with by those whose words are cheap. For those of us with a passion for the country, verbal conmen and word twisters like Abagworo are the enemy of progress.

Typical dede1, always hurling insults on people just because of a simple disagreement. Why talking about education even when what the man said what simply the truth. The point the man raised is Ironsi has no business in government as at the time he took over. Even the issue of the absense of Deputy Prime Minister does not warrant Military intervention when the President could have dissolve the Parliament and called for new elections with a resultant New Prime Minister. Dede should just try and make contributions or criticisms without hurling insults on People. As intelligent as you are, i dont expect you to start talking about education of the General when the man was only talking of somebody killing True Federalism. Your post is simply outrageous and untenable.

Dede1:


The post is arrant nonsense that usually gave rise to an idiotic phrase such as “North are born to Rule” in Nigeria and equally identify the nitwits from the south who helped create such crass utterance.

I wish to lay my hand on the early educational and career formulation of this so-called Maj-Gen. Ishola Williams. Again, it only in Nigeria that such person could become a sergeant in the army.

Nigerian constitution at the era in discuss does not have position of Acting Prime Minister or Deputy Prime Minister which was the reason the British refused to assist militarily because such request for British military intervention must come from the Prime Minister.

It is still beyond the pale of my imagination why Nigerians, due to tribal pressures, refused to accord respect to historical facts. Instead, they tend to wallow in unfounded conjectures.

It is a known fact that Mallam Zanna Bukar Dipcharima was not a ranking minister in Tafawa Balewa’ government. I can not fathom what informed the opinion among certain Nigerians that one party in a coalition government that could not form a government on its merits at the polls could all of a sudden produce a Prime Minister within a partnership government. Maybe the Kanuri people of Nigeria were born to become Prime Minister of Republic of Nigeria.

NPC and NCNC were the coalition partners in government and jointly agreed to have Tafawa Balewa as the Prime Minister and K O Madiwe the Ranking Minister. Since the Nigerian constitution did not make prevision for the post of Deputy Prime Minister, for all intents and practical purposes, the ranking minister deputizes for the Prime Minister.

In the aftermath of January 15, 1966 coup, both NPC and NCNC could not agree who should become the Prime Minister as the two parties nominated two candidates in the persons of Zipcharima and Mbadiwe. The constitution clearly stated that when coalition partners could not agree on consensus candidate for the post of Prima Minister, the parliament had to be dissolved and a call for fresh election.

It is safe to say that the so-called Maj-Gen. Ishola Williams has wrong grasp of the word-federalism. During the Tafawa Balewa led Nigerian government, the power of the government was still constituted at the center as it is today. What spurred the talk of this ill-informed true federalism in Nigeria is beyond my imagination? I guess folks are not misconstruing democracy for federalism.

which do u think Nigeria need most at the moment and what even waranted this wirte up from the major (i guess the blame game is on)

@Dede 1
Thanks for your historical elucidation as usual.

seanet03:

Typical dede1, always hurling insults on people just because of a simple disagreement. Why talking about education even when what the man said what simply the truth. The point the man raised is Ironsi has no business in government as at the time he took over. Even the issue of the absense of Deputy Prime Minister does not warrant Military intervention when the President could have dissolve the Parliament and called for new elections with a resultant New Prime Minister. Dede should just try and make contributions or criticisms without hurling insults on People. As intelligent as you are, i dont expect you to start talking about education of the General when the man was only talking of somebody killing True Federalism. Your post is simply outrageous and untenable.

No!!! I had not intention to insult anybody. However when people that are in the know or privy to certain facts and yet they yearn junk or make misleading statements as contained in the original post, it intends to pique my mental decorum. The situation during the January 15, 1966 coup does not call for insidious procrastination in pronunciation of measures to remedy the situation.

Two coalition partners could not agree on a candidate of Prime Ministers, the parliament has been sacked by the statements and actions of the coup plotters, the section of government in Lagos was barely visible because of Ironsi’s miraculous hang on command, the call for British military help has been turned down and yet folks are still talking about call for election. Sometimes I think what God was doing the day he/she created Africa.

Dede1:


The post is arrant nonsense that usually gave rise to an idiotic phrase such as “North are born to Rule” in Nigeria and equally identify the nitwits from the south who helped create such crass utterance.

I wish to lay my hand on the early educational and career formulation of this so-called Maj-Gen. Ishola Williams. Again, it only in Nigeria that such person could become a sergeant in the army.

Nigerian constitution at the era in discuss does not have position of Acting Prime Minister or Deputy Prime Minister which was the reason the British refused to assist militarily because such request for British military intervention must come from the Prime Minister.

It is still beyond the pale of my imagination why Nigerians, due to tribal pressures, refused to accord respect to historical facts. Instead, they tend to wallow in unfounded conjectures.

It is a known fact that Mallam Zanna Bukar Dipcharima was not a ranking minister in Tafawa Balewa’ government. I can not fathom what informed the opinion among certain Nigerians that one party in a coalition government that could not form a government on its merits at the polls could all of a sudden produce a Prime Minister within a partnership government. Maybe the Kanuri people of Nigeria were born to become Prime Minister of Republic of Nigeria.

NPC and NCNC were the coalition partners in government and jointly agreed to have Tafawa Balewa as the Prime Minister and K O Madiwe the Ranking Minister. Since the Nigerian constitution did not make prevision for the post of Deputy Prime Minister, for all intents and practical purposes, the ranking minister deputizes for the Prime Minister.

In the aftermath of January 15, 1966 coup, both NPC and NCNC could not agree who should become the Prime Minister as the two parties nominated two candidates in the persons of Zipcharima and Mbadiwe. The constitution clearly stated that when coalition partners could not agree on consensus candidate for the post of Prima Minister, the parliament had to be dissolved and a call for fresh election.

It is safe to say that the so-called Maj-Gen. Ishola Williams has wrong grasp of the word-federalism. During the Tafawa Balewa led Nigerian government, the power of the government was still constituted at the center as it is today. What spurred the talk of this ill-informed true federalism in Nigeria is beyond my imagination?  I guess folks are not misconstruing democracy for federalism.
 

You have started with this line of argument again.The NPC nominated PM was assassinated by sons from the Eastern region; should an Easterner (Mbu) have benefitted from the murder of the PM from the North. On one hand you argue ceaselessly that the Jan 66 coup was not an Igbo coup, yet you don't see any problems with the Northern region losing out to the Igbo dominated Eastern region. Try to be consistent.

Secondly NPC was within its right to nominate a road sweeper as PM if that road sweeper took Balewa's seat in Bauchi. NPC was the bigger party in that coalition and there was no need for it to lose its position in the government simply because of the actions of some coupists from the Eastern region. When Thatcher was ousted in 90, Michael Heseltine was the most senior member of the Tory party and government and should have become PM but instead, a more junior John Major was selected. Similarly, after the sudden death of John Smith in 1992, the leadership of the labour party should have gone to Gordon Brown but went instead to Tony Blair. In a parliamentary system, a party can decide at any time who it wants to lead it with recognition given to current standing and position. NPC was well within its rights to nominate DipCharima. The NCNC was simply being opportunistic or perhaps it was all part of the plan. No wonder Orizu had no hesitation handing over to Ironsi, another Igbo son.

I am not going to go back and forth on this; my position is clear.

seanet03:

Typical dede1, always hurling insults on people just because of a simple disagreement. Why talking about education even when what the man said what simply the truth. The point the man raised is Ironsi has no business in government as at the time he took over. Even the issue of the absense of Deputy Prime Minister does not warrant Military intervention when the President could have dissolve the Parliament and called for new elections with a resultant New Prime Minister. Dede should just try and make contributions or criticisms without hurling insults on People. As intelligent as you are, i dont expect you to start talking about education of the General when the man was only talking of somebody killing True Federalism. Your post is simply outrageous and untenable.

You have spoken well; Dede1 needs to cut the insults and the 'I know it all' attitude from his posts.

Katsumoto:

You have started with this line of argument again.The NPC nominated PM was assassinated by sons from the Eastern region; should an Easterner (Mbu) have benefitted from the murder of the PM from the North. On one hand you argue ceaselessly that the Jan 66 coup was not an Igbo coup, yet you don't see any problems with the Northern region losing out to the Igbo dominated Eastern region. Try to be consistent.

Secondly NPC was within its right to nominate a road sweeper as PM if that road sweeper took Balewa's seat in Bauchi. NPC was the bigger party in that coalition and there was no need for it to lose its position in the government simply because of the actions of some coupists from the Eastern region. When Thatcher was ousted in 90, Michael Heseltine was the most senior member of the Tory party and government and should have become PM but instead, a more junior John Major was selected. Similarly, after the sudden death of John Smith in 1992, the leadership of the labour party should have gone to Gordon Brown but went instead to Tony Blair. In a parliamentary system, a party can decide at any time who it wants to lead it with recognition given to current standing and position. NPC was well within its rights to nominate DipCharima. The NCNC was simply being opportunistic or perhaps it was all part of the plan. No wonder Orizu had no hesitation handing over to Ironsi, another Igbo son.

I am not going to go back and forth on this; my position is clear.

Come on
Quite disappointed that my most informed Yoruba persona on N/L can stoop so low as to make such overwhelming, false, and tribal allegations.
It's ok for everybody to develop 20/20 hindsight 'after the fact' in just about every situation, but what is the value tinkering and bending facts just to suit your bias?
If Igbos were more in number at the level of officers who carried out the first coup, why was it not a matter of statistical concidence and not tribalistic inclinations that made it possible to have more Igbos in the coup.
Also, while Nzeogwu is clearly Igbo, he was not from eastern Nigeria, and so was Ademoyega.
By your insinuations, you arrive at the false conclusion that every easterner planned, executed, and benefitted from the coup

Katsumoto:

You have started with this line of argument again.The NPC nominated PM was assassinated by sons from the Eastern region; should an Easterner (Mbu) have benefitted from the murder of the PM from the North. On one hand you argue ceaselessly that the Jan 66 coup was not an Igbo coup, yet you don't see any problems with the Northern region losing out to the Igbo dominated Eastern region. Try to be consistent.

Secondly NPC was within its right to nominate a road sweeper as PM if that road sweeper took Balewa's seat in Bauchi. NPC was the bigger party in that coalition and there was no need for it to lose its position in the government simply because of the actions of some coupists from the Eastern region. When Thatcher was ousted in 90, Michael Heseltine was the most senior member of the Tory party and government and should have become PM but instead, a more junior John Major was selected. Similarly, after the sudden death of John Smith in 1992, the leadership of the labour party should have gone to Gordon Brown but went instead to Tony Blair. In a parliamentary system, a party can decide at any time who it wants to lead it with recognition given to current standing and position. NPC was well within its rights to nominate DipCharima. The NCNC was simply being opportunistic or perhaps it was all part of the plan. No wonder Orizu had no hesitation handing over to Ironsi, another Igbo son.

I am not going to go back and forth on this; my position is clear.

Look pal, I do not give a ratarse who NPC nominated as PM. The crux of this argument is about folks such as you who believed the position of PM after the January 15, 1966 should be a beneficiary gesture to the north or it was NPC's exclusive monopoly to produce PM and Kanuri for that matter.

In fact, I do intend to get into argument if the Igbo soldiers exclusively precipitated the January 15, 1966 coup, the fact remains there was a coalition government that produced Zik as President, Balewa as PM, Orizu as Pro Tem Pour, Wachukwu as the Speaker and Mbadiwe as the Ranking Minister.

When the PM was found missing, NPC was not constitutionally assigned to produce the next PM. It is even irrelevant to cite NPC nominee without invoking NCNC nominee too. The coalition partners must agree on a consensus nominee or parliament is dissolved for fresh election. The situation in Nigeria at that period did not have a chance for refresh election as unfolding events proved it correct.

@Dede, dont you think it is wrong for a Failed Coup Plot to be held responsible for the Sacking of the Cabinet? To me ironsi could simply have gave military backing to the Candidate Nominated by the Party with the controling Lawmakers even though they dont have the majority to Form a Government nor appoint a new Prime Minister, but since the Coalition can not agree on a new Prime Minister, then Ironsi could have salvaged the situation by doing what is expected of a Military which is truely PATRIOTIC to its People.

aguiyi:

which do u think Nigeria need most at the moment and what even waranted this wirte up from the major (i guess the blame game is on)

I do not give lamb dung about what Nigeria needs most or care if Nigeria disappears from the surface of Earth when I wake tomorrow. The purpose of my response is debunk the falsehood perpetrated by many frauds that pass as transparent Nigerians. Nigeria has never had practical federalism talk less of true federalism or lack thereof.

Under Tafawa Balewa’s government, there were issues that rendered this useless talk of Ironsi’s murder of true federalism in Nigeria asinine.

naijaking1:


Come on
Quite disappointed that my most informed Yoruba persona on N/L can stoop so low as to make such overwhelming, false, and tribal allegations.
It's ok for everybody to develop 20/20 hindsight 'after the fact' in just about every situation, but what is the value tinkering and bending facts just to suit your bias?
If Igbos were more in number at the level of officers who carried out the first coup, why was it not a matter of statistical concidence and not tribalistic inclinations that made it possible to have more Igbos in the coup.
Also, while Nzeogwu is clearly Igbo, he was not from eastern Nigeria, and so was Ademoyega.
By your insinuations, you arrive at the false conclusion that every easterner planned, executed, and benefitted from the coup

I have debated these events several times and the facts available to me lead me to the conclusions that I arrive at.

We should be able to have a debate without you trying to characterize me unfairly. You are a fair poster and I wouldn't do that to you.

seanet03:

@Dede, dont you think it is wrong for a Failed Coup Plot to be held responsible for the Sacking of the Cabinet? To me ironsi could simply have gave military backing to the Candidate Nominated by the Party with the controling Lawmakers even though they dont have the majority to Form a Government nor appoint a new Prime Minister, but since the Coalition can not agree on a new Prime Minister, then Ironsi could have salvaged the situation by doing what is expected of a Military which is truely PATRIOTIC to its People.

I do not have any sympathy for crass insinuation. We must always tow to the dictates of constitution. Let me debunk the idea of NPC as majority party. NPC was not a majority party and did not win majority seats to form a government. NPC has no constitutional backing to impose a PM on Nigerians.

If NCNC and AG had formed coalition government, NPC would have become opposition party in government and maybe Awo or Zik would have become PM. It was not on shoulder of Ironsi to call the direction. The constitution had mandated the President to either dissolve the parliament, call for fresh election or call in the army especially in the absence of PM. The same folks that argued it was the constitutional duty of  the PM to deploy armed forces of Nigeria during crisis could not see the constitutional duty of the President or the Acting President to dissolve the government. Talk about tribal bias.   

The knack to forgo the dictates of statutory codes, ordinances, regulations found in constitution is bane of Nigeria’s socio-political growth. When Gowon usurped the position that was statutorily should be assumed by Ogundipe, Ojukwu warned him of the dire consequences of his action and Nigeria is still reaping fruits of such action.

@Dede, then this country is bound to disintegrate one day with this situation.

naijaking1:

Come on
Quite disappointed that my most informed Yoruba persona on N/L can stoop so low as to make such overwhelming, false, and tribal allegations.
It's ok for everybody to develop 20/20 hindsight 'after the fact' in just about every situation, but what is the value tinkering and bending facts just to suit your bias?
If Igbos were more in number at the level of officers who carried out the first coup, why was it not a matter of statistical concidence and not tribalistic inclinations that made it possible to have more Igbos in the coup.
Also, while Nzeogwu is clearly Igbo, he was not from eastern Nigeria, and so was Ademoyega.
By your insinuations, you arrive at the false conclusion that every easterner planned, executed, and benefitted from the coup

And, where did Katsumoto lie? Were Ibos not the executioners of the coup? Wasnt it an Ibo attempt to hold on to Power? Was it a matter of "statistical concidence and not tribalistic inclinations" that led to ONLY Non-Ibo leaders being killed by Ibo Coup plotting officers, too? Oh, throw in Ademoyega right after insinuating Nzeogwu aint from Eastern Nigeria?

And you wonder why everyone thinks yall a buncha deceitful, blood, thirsty thugs! Try telling the truth for once!

Wonder why no one in the current Nigerian Presidential elections chose a Ibo running mate, as much as they begged and schemed for it? Freaking race of deceitful cowards!

seanet03:

@Dede, then this country is bound to disintegrate one day with this situation.

I have come to such conclusion long ago that Nigeria is better off disintegrated than standing dilapidated. We hardly speak the truth or fall back on the unadulterated facts due to tribal bias that saw us through a civil war. Every fact is sat on its head and there is not glimpse of light at end of the tunnel.

bk.babe97y:

And, where did Katsumoto lie? Were Ibos not the executioners of the coup? Wasnt it an Ibo attempt to hold on to Power? Was it a matter of "statistical concidence and not tribalistic inclinations" that led to ONLY Non-Ibo leaders being killed by Ibo Coup plotting officers, too? Oh, throw in Ademoyega right after insinuating Nzeogwu aint from Eastern Nigeria?

And you wonder why everyone thinks yall a buncha deceitful, blood, thirsty thugs! Try telling the truth for once!

Wonder why no one in the current Nigerian Presidential elections chose a Ibo running mate, as much as they begged and schemed for it? Freaking race of deceitful cowards!

Neither the Ibos or the Igbos were the executions of the coup but men from various nigerian ethnic groups. The Igbos happened to be the most in numbers.However the soldiers that carried it out were were almost entirely northrners.

Igbo leaders not being killed, um, a bunch of BS.Igbo leaders were also killed. And to think Ademoyega was the only yoruba in the nationalist coup,is highly dumb.Also, when it came to numbers with in the coup plotters the northerners came in second. Hmmm, some "Igbo" coup indeed.

Nzeoqwu was from the Midwest. Asaba to be exact.Just thought you should know.

An Ibo attempt to hold on power,idk. An Igbo attempt to hold on to power, no. Everybody and they mama knew that the failed Nzeogwwu coup was a nationalistic coup.This is more of a reason why there were no riots carried out after it.


Deceitful, blood, thirsty thugs? Um,no.Pull down your skirt. Igbos- greedy, Yorubas- deceitful, Hausas- blood thirsty. Um,yea, that is the stereo type in nigeria, where are you coming from.ha ha.


Cowards? Purely stereotyped to yorubas,even your mama would tell ya that, boy.

I don't really like contributing to Zik or Ironsi's thread because Zik remains my Goon #1 and Ironsi, Goon #2.
Two most s.tupid men on earth, devoid of wisdom and vision.

Why some Igbos will come to Ironsi's defence is beyond reason. Anyway, keep deceiving yourself while we keep reaping the "benefits" of his crazy policies.