Originakalokalo:


Yeah.

You don't know the son..... and Jesus said that anyone who does not know the son has never known the Father...

I wonder who you worship.

I worship Allah, the One and Only.

He begets not nor was He begotten

And there is nothing like unto Him.

Originakalokalo:


Yeah.

You don't know the son..... and Jesus said that anyone who does not know the son has never known the Father...

I wonder who you worship.

Let us create man in our own image.

Lukuluku69:


Lol. Condemned of what? Go and munch on Isaiah 42, 52, 54, 59 and 60. While at it, I belong to that Nation promised Ishmael by God. My Allah promise is true, what about Yahweh?

Genesis 17:20 KJV
[20] And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

God don't condemned what he Promise. A Great Nation. The only people that stand condemned are those stiff neck Jews.

Oh. Ishmael was a Muslim and he founded Islamic nation?


Ishmael lived over 3000 years before Mohamed ooo.

You didn't quote that verse completely..... Let me help you..


(Genesis 17 )
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20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.


Abraham prayed that God should allow Ishmael to be in his presence....verse 19

God responded in verse 20 and in verse 21 he said....

"but my covenant will I establish with Isaac "

He asked Abraham to send him away.... and he affirmed his covenant with the true son.... Isaac..


Let's even say your Islamic claim to Ishmael is true.. (someone that was born over 3000 years before Mohamed founded Islam)

He was rejected.

God introduced himself as the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob with no mention of Ishmael.

You need to associate yourself with the covenant of Isaac through Jesus....

So that God can be your God...

He clearly rejected your founding father Ishmael (you said that yourself) by calling himself the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.


From being the God of their father Abraham, God associated himself with the son Isaac... and then Jacob..

If Ishmael is the founder of Islam, which god is he serving then?

Originakalokalo:


Oh. Ishmael was a Muslim and he founded Islamic nation?


Ishmael lived over 3000 years before Mohamed ooo.

You didn't quote that verse completely..... Let me help you..


(Genesis 17 )
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20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.


Abraham prayed that God should allow Ishmael to be in his presence....verse 19

God responded in verse 20 and in verse 21 he said....

"but my covenant will I establish with Isaac "

He asked Abraham to send him away.... and he affirmed his covenant with the true son.... Isaac..


Let's even say your Islamic claim to Ishmael is true.. (someone that was born over 3000 years before Mohamed founded Islam)

He was rejected.

God introduced himself as the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob with no mention of Ishmael.

You need to associate yourself with the covenant of Isaac through Jesus....

So that God can be your God...

He clearly rejected your founding father Ishmael (you said that yourself) by calling himself the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.


From being the God of their father Abraham, God associated himself with the son Isaac... and then Jacob..

If Ishmael is the founder of Islam, which god is he serving then?

Check out Galatians 4:22-23.

Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman and the other by a free woman.
23. but he who was of bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the free-woman through promise.
24. which things are symbolic.

CodeTemplar:
Check out Galatians 4:22-23.

Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman and the other by a free woman.
23. but he who was of bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the free-woman through promise.
24. which things are symbolic.

Toor.He Just shot himself on the foot.

Originakalokalo:


Toor.He Just shot himself on the foot.

Anytime I look at Islam and their main prophet, just look more like a carnal version of old testament Christians.
Moses/Musa, Ibrahim/Abraham etc and the way they interpret things ( very void of the spiritual ).
Also their reference to Christians make them look like copy-copy non-isrealites envying God's chosen ones.

Lukuluku69:


I worship Allah, the One and Only.

He begets not nor was He begotten

And there is nothing like unto Him.

You need to accept Jesus sir and serve the true God through him.

Originakalokalo:


You need to accept Jesus sir and serve the true God through him.

I have accepted Jesus as he should be. A Humble servant of God.

Preach this to the Jews who are in denial. They are still waiting on their Deliverer. If they don't accept this one, you and I know they will accept the Wrong guy.

CodeTemplar:
Anytime I look at Islam and their main prophet, just look more like a carnal version of old testament Christians.
Moses/Musa, Ibrahim/Abraham etc and the way they interpret things ( very void of the spiritual ).
Also their reference to Christians make them look like copy-copy non-isrealites envying God's chosen ones.

Moses/Abraham/David etc are Latinized/Anglicalised Version of the True Musa, Ibrahim, Dawood.

We are void of the Spiritual? Until we say God had breakfast with us, is that when we will be Spiritual?

Our reference to Christians make us copy-copy? Wonder shall never end. Please pick up a the Life story of Buddha, 70% of what he says, Christ says the same thing. Who copied who? Mind, Buddha lived a good 600 years before Christ.

CodeTemplar:
Check out Galatians 4:22-23.

Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman and the other by a free woman.
23. but he who was of bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the free-woman through promise.
24. which things are symbolic.

Two sons? No! He had 8! One from Sarah, One from Hagar and Six from Kethura. But Hagar son was the first and the beginning of his strength. Read Deuteronomy 21:15-17 KJV
[15] If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:
16] Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn:
[17] But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.

Galatians is one of Paul's numerous lies.

Originakalokalo:


Oh. Ishmael was a Muslim and he founded Islamic nation?


Ishmael lived over 3000 years before Mohamed ooo.

You didn't quote that verse completely..... Let me help you..


(Genesis 17 )
------------
20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.


Abraham prayed that God should allow Ishmael to be in his presence....verse 19

God responded in verse 20 and in verse 21 he said....

"but my covenant will I establish with Isaac "

He asked Abraham to send him away.... and he affirmed his covenant with the true son.... Isaac..


Let's even say your Islamic claim to Ishmael is true.. (someone that was born over 3000 years before Mohamed founded Islam)

He was rejected.

God introduced himself as the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob with no mention of Ishmael.

You need to associate yourself with the covenant of Isaac through Jesus....

So that God can be your God...

He clearly rejected your founding father Ishmael (you said that yourself) by calling himself the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.


From being the God of their father Abraham, God associated himself with the son Isaac... and then Jacob..

If Ishmael is the founder of Islam, which god is he serving then?

Open your eyes and mind, the whole of Genesis 17 and 22 belongs to Ishmael. Ishmael left Abraham and Sarah when he was a BABY and God commanded. How do I know? It is in the Bible. Read Genesis 21:14-17 KJV
[14] And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beer-sheba.
[15] And the water was spent in the bottle, and she cast the child under one of the shrubs.
16] And she went, and sat her down over against him a good way off, as it were a bowshot: for she said, Let me not see the death of the child. And she sat over against him , and lift up her voice, and wept.
17] And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is .

Tell me how would you put a 16 year old on her Mother shoulder when they want to travel? Was he incapacitated in any way? A 16 year old should be able to vend for himself, don't you think? But you see his mother fetching him water etc.

He was rejected? That means Yahweh is a god of double talk. He promised him a GREAT NATION and also said he will be FRUITFUL and now rejected? What was his crime? Well, not surprised here, sebi Yahweh hated ESAU from his Mum Womb. Imagine! Yahweh hated a FOETUS!

God introduced Himself as God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob you say? Are you saying Ishmael never worshipped the God of his Father?

You see, this Jewish lie, the Christians swallowed. Hook, line and sinker. I leave you with the words of Prophet Jeremiah 8:8-9 KJV
[8] How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it ; the pen of the scribes is in vain. [9] The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the Lord ; and what wisdom is in them?

The name of Ishmael was efface from the Old Testament because of Jealousy. You Christian bought the lie and you are living it.

PeterChrist:
My! Lot of bugs here. Let's start squashing 'em



You are getting confused. YHWH and ELOHIM are two different words with different etymologies though they can both be used to refer to the Biblical deity.



First, Hebrew just like its sister language Arabic is written without the vowel sounds.
Second, how did you come to the conclusion that the Gentile readers of the Old Testament added the vowels? It was the Hebrews themselves who developed the vowels used to pronounce the Hebrew words
Third, if the Jews never added the vowels, then how do you expect them to pronounce the Tetragrammaton?
The Jews out of reverence for God's name did not address God by the covenantal name (YHWH) so as to avoid speaking that sacred name in vain. In the process, the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton became lost unlike the pronunciation of other Hebrew words which survived. The Hebrew word "Adonai" was substituted for the tetragrammaton in Jewish worship. The vowel sounds from the Adonai later became integrated into the Tetragrammaton and we have "Yahweh"




You say what? Who taught you all these crap? you need to sue your Hebrew tutor
Tracing the etymology of this divine Name is a very daunting task such that scholars could not agree on the etymology. However, the hypothesis you are putting forward is a novel idea, please can you tell us the school of thought that agree with you? Or is it that you are so brilliant that you easily worked out the etymology?
Yah is a shortened form for the Tetragrammaton. For instance, YAHSHUA means YAHWEH is my salvation. if Yah means "oh", YAHSHUA will mean "Oh is my salvation" which is very absurd. Eliyahu which means "Yahweh is my God" will now mean "oh is my God". Your hypothesis is as ridiculous as they come.
Perhaps you are ignorant of the fact that there are several passages in the Bible where the word YHWH stands on its own without adding Elohim.



Lol. The Jews do refer to God as YHWH (both the Christian and non-Christian ones). However, a conservative Rabbinic Jew will not add the vowels so as to avoid using the name of God in vain.
It is rather the other way round, the Jews are the ones who will laugh at your ignorance.



Yes, Yahweh had been and is and will always be the proper name for God. You should consider your advice if you are one who learned at the feet of the typical Muslim polemicists you parade as Biblical scholars. If you actually learned Hebrew, then consider my first advice which is: sue your Hebrew tutor and request for refund of the fees you paid.



Here they come again. In this paragraph alone, you committed many semantic fallacies and they come in flavours. In a country where committing this type of fallacy attracts severe punishment, I'm sure you will have to re-incarnate about three to four times to serve your jail term. I don't know how you guys reason? The fact that two different words from different languages with different etymologies and usage sounds familiar does not mean that they are the same thing!!!
For instance, "alah" in Hebrew means oak tree, does that mean that the Islamic deity is an oak tree?
Second, Halleluyah means "praise Yah" and "Yah" is shortened form for "Yahweh". So what are you saying gan na?

^^^^ Is what you come up with when you attend Theological School set up by those who have Breakfast/Tea with God on a daily basis. Halleluyah means praise Yah and Yah is shortened to form " Yahweh"! O ga gan ni o! Good thing you know that Arabic and Hebrew are sister Languages, and sister Languages always have common Pronunciation and share so many same words for common things, the major difference being in the dialects. Look at Yoruba for example as all the Yoruba dialects pronounce the Creator Name. You will hear different stuff but in their mind they know who they refers to. The same is with Hebrew/Arabic/Aramaic.

Let me give you some words and see what both Languages call them

Hebrew Arabic English
Elah Ilah God
Ikhud. Ahud. One
Yaum Yaum. Day
Shaloam. Salaam. Peace
Yahuwa. Ya Huwa. Oh He.

As you can see, they share words in common. And to let you see, here is a screen grab from Google on what word is used for God in Aramaic the Language spoken by Jesus.

Lukuluku69:


Two sons? No! He had 8! One from Sarah, One from Hagar and Six from Kethura. But Hagar son was the first and the beginning of his strength. Read Deuteronomy 21:15-17 KJV
[15] If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:
16] Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn:
[17] But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.

Galatians is one of Paul's numerous lies.

What I quoted is pure bible. I am sure you get the message if you know how to read the bible.

Lukuluku69:


Moses/Abraham/David etc are Latinized/Anglicalised Version of the True Musa, Ibrahim, Dawood.

We are void of the Spiritual? Until we say God had breakfast with us, is that when we will be Spiritual?

Our reference to Christians make us copy-copy? Wonder shall never end. Please pick up a the Life story of Buddha, 70% of what he says, Christ says the same thing. Who copied who? Mind, Buddha lived a good 600 years before Christ.

I have a question not directly related to this discussion about Islam. Should I ask this question?

CodeTemplar:


I have a question not directly related to this discussion about Islam. Should I ask this question?

Shoot!

CodeTemplar:
What I quoted is pure bible. I am sure you get the message if you know how to read the bible.

And I have been quoting The Veda?

Lukuluku69:


Two sons? No! He had 8! One from Sarah, One from Hagar and Six from Kethura. But Hagar son was the first and the beginning of his strength. Read Deuteronomy 21:15-17 KJV
[15] If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:
16] Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn:
[17] But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.

Galatians is one of Paul's numerous lies.

Lol.

John was a lie.... But Mathew mark and Luke are not.

Galatians is a lie ? What of the other Pauline epistles?

Genesis is not a lie and? at least you have quoted from it...

Let me give you one...

" The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet,

until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be."
(Genesis 49: 10)

Shiloh shall come from Judah and unto him shall people gather...

We gather in Jesus name. He is from Judah.

Lukuluku69:


Open your eyes and mind, the whole of Genesis 17 and 22 belongs to Ishmael. Ishmael left Abraham and Sarah when he was a BABY and God commanded. How do I know? It is in the Bible. Read Genesis 21:14-17 KJV
[14] And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beer-sheba.
[15] And the water was spent in the bottle, and she cast the child under one of the shrubs.
16] And she went, and sat her down over against him a good way off, as it were a bowshot: for she said, Let me not see the death of the child. And she sat over against him , and lift up her voice, and wept.
17] And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is .

Tell me how would you put a 16 year old on her Mother shoulder when they want to travel? Was he incapacitated in any way? A 16 year old should be able to vend for himself, don't you think? But you see his mother fetching him water etc.

He was rejected? That means Yahweh is a god of double talk. He promised him a GREAT NATION and also said he will be FRUITFUL and now rejected? What was his crime? Well, not surprised here, sebi Yahweh hated ESAU from his Mum Womb. Imagine! Yahweh hated a FOETUS!

God introduced Himself as God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob you say? Are you saying Ishmael never worshipped the God of his Father?

You see, this Jewish lie, the Christians swallowed. Hook, line and sinker. I leave you with the words of Prophet Jeremiah 8:8-9 KJV
[8] How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it ; the pen of the scribes is in vain. [9] The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the Lord ; and what wisdom is in them?

The name of Ishmael was efface from the Old Testament because of Jealousy. You Christian bought the lie and you are living it.

Ishmael was removed from Old Testament because of...?

Did I hear you say jealousy?

Lol. SMH.

You have been quoting from the same old Testament remember?

You pick your verses of the Bible like beans.

Originakalokalo:



Lol.

John was a lie.... But Mathew mark and Luke are not.

Galatians is a lie ? What of the other Pauline epistles?

Genesis is not a lie and? at least you have quoted from it...

Let me give you one...

" The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet,

until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be."
(Genesis 49: 10)

Shiloh shall come from Judah and unto him shall people gather...

We gather in Jesus name. He is from Judah.

The Verse you just quoted doesn't not refer to Jesus nah. Was Jesus a Law Giver? Does he has the Spectre of Authority? What That verse is saying is that " Prophethood and Kingship fusion as you have it with David and his Son, the House of Israel will continue to be the mouthpiece of God's Kingdom, but once SHILOH comes, it ceases.

The question to ask yourself is what is SHILOH or who is SHILOH. Shiloh in the Bible is a name of a Town and it means PEACE. So, the signification here is not about a Town coming but when PEACE is preached. Then the House of Israel ceases to be God's vessel.

So, who preached PEACE? Not Jesus for he said Matthew 10:34 KJV
[34] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.


Luke 12:51 KJV
[51] Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:


That Spectre of Prophethood was taken from the House of Israel.
Jeremiah 31:36-37 KJV
[36] If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord , then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
[37] Thus saith the Lord ; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord .

That Spectre/Ordinance depart Israel when Christ Himself said Matthew 21:43-44 KJV
[43] Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
[44] And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

That Nation is the Nation of Ishmael. If you fall on them you shall be broken, and if it falls on you, na powder you go be.

Go and ask the Persians, the Greeks, and the Romans.

Lukuluku69:


Shoot!

Yes.
What do you have to say about killing of infidels during holy Jihad considering the fact that those doing the killings weren't born muslims and were once 'imperfect' or non Muslim themselves?
Isn't that an act of witchcraft if the killer claims he know the infidel won't accept Islam until death?

Originakalokalo:

Ishmael was removed from Old Testament because of...?
Did I hear you say jealousy?
Lol. SMH.
You have been quoting from the same old Testament remember?
You pick your verses of the Bible like beans.

That guy is too carnal. The rejection is symbolic as shown in Galatians 4:24. They read bible like a recipe.

Lukuluku69:


The Verse you just quoted doesn't not refer to Jesus nah. Was Jesus a Law Giver? Does he has the Spectre of Authority? What That verse is saying is that " Prophethood and Kingship fusion as you have it with David and his Son, the House of Israel will continue to be the mouthpiece of God's Kingdom, but once SHILOH comes, it ceases.

The question to ask yourself is what is SHILOH or who is SHILOH. Shiloh in the Bible is a name of a Town and it means PEACE. So, the signification here is not about a Town coming but when PEACE is preached. Then the House of Israel ceases to be God's vessel.

So, who preached PEACE? Not Jesus for he said Matthew 10:34 KJV
[34] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.


Luke 12:51 KJV
[51] Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:


That Spectre of Prophethood was taken from the House of Israel.
Jeremiah 31:36-37 KJV
[36] If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord , then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
[37] Thus saith the Lord ; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord .

That Spectre/Ordinance depart Israel when Christ Himself said Matthew 21:43-44 KJV
[43] Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
[44] And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

That Nation is the Nation of Ishmael. If you fall on them you shall be broken, and if it falls on you, na powder you go be.

Go and ask the Persians, the Greeks, and the Romans.

I am used to your jokes.... Everyone of you has this tendencies of picking the scriptures....

Let me help you with the scriptures you quoted.... This time, I will quote a verse before.....

(Jeremiah 31 )
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35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

The verses are If and then statements.... Did you read it at all?

God is saying that if the ordinances (command) he gave the sun, moon and stars can be changed , then he will reject Israel.

He said, if the foundation of the world can be measured or searched, that's when he will forsake Israel.

These verses confirmed God's everlasting covenant with Israel.

You see yourself?

See yourself here..

This is what the LORD says, he who appoints the sun to shine by day, who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar--the LORD Almighty is his name:
31:36 "Only if these decrees vanish from my sight," declares the LORD, "will the descendants of Israel ever cease to be a nation before me."
31:37 This is what the LORD says: "Only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel because of all they have done," declares the LORD.

Originakalokalo:


I am used to your jokes.... Everyone of you has this tendencies of picking the scriptures....

Let me help you with the scriptures you quoted.... This time, I will quote a verse before.....

(Jeremiah 31 )
------------
35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

The verses are If and then statements.... Did you read it at all?

God is saying that if the ordinances (command) he gave the sun, moon and stars can be changed , then he will reject Israel.

He said, if the foundation of the world can be measured or searched, that's when he will forsake Israel.

These verses confirmed God's everlasting covenant with Israel.

You see yourself?

See yourself here..

This is what the LORD says, he who appoints the sun to shine by day, who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar--the LORD Almighty is his name:
31:36 "Only if these decrees vanish from my sight," declares the LORD, "will the descendants of Israel ever cease to be a nation before me."
31:37 This is what the LORD says: "Only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel because of all they have done," declares the LORD.

I use KJV. Check ALL my Biblical references. So, laugh all you like, it doesn't change a thing. If you like, use Jehovah Witness Version or any other numerous Version at your disposal. I USE ONLY King James Version.

Understand Ye?

CodeTemplar:
Yes.
What do you have to say about killing of infidels during holy Jihad considering the fact that those doing the killings weren't born muslims and were once 'imperfect' or non Muslim themselves?
Isn't that an act of witchcraft if the killer claims he know the infidel won't accept Islam until death?

Only God knows the heart of Men. Only God. That's said, yes during wars, the Innocent do suffer. Now, to your question, there were instances

During a Battle and One Muslim General actually killed a man he had taken prisoner but the Prisoner professed the Faith. Kaled Ibn Walid,

Actually killed the man. And it came to the Prophet attention and Kaled was asked why he killed him. He replied that, he only profess the word

Of Faith because of an imminent death. And the Prophet told him NEVER to do that again for ONLY GOD KNOWS THE HEART OF MEN.

Concerning, Combat Deaths during Jihad, I want you to take up any Book either by Foes or Friends of the Muslims and see what they usually

Say before combat.

Lukuluku69:


I use KJV. Check ALL my Biblical references. So, laugh all you like, it doesn't change a thing. If you like, use Jehovah Witness Version or any other numerous Version at your disposal. I USE ONLY King James Version.

Understand Ye?

I quoted the same King James first... Go back and read what you quoted..

An English student in Ss1 will interpret the verses easily...

If the moon stops, then I will change my covenant with Israel....


God so love this people.....

Lukuluku69:


Only God knows the heart of Men. Only God. That's said, yes during wars, the Innocent do suffer. Now, to your question, there were instances

During a Battle and One Muslim General actually killed a man he had taken prisoner but the Prisoner professed the Faith. Kaled Ibn Walid,

Actually killed the man. And it came to the Prophet attention and Kaled was asked why he killed him. He replied that, he only profess the word

Of Faith because of an imminent death. And the Prophet told him NEVER to do that again for ONLY GOD KNOWS THE HEART OF MEN.

Concerning, Combat Deaths during Jihad, I want you to take up any Book either by Foes or Friends of the Muslims and see what they usually

Say before combat.

Summary is that those people can't see into the future cos they aren't God or witches but kill people they don't know their hearts.

CodeTemplar:

That guy is too carnal. The rejection is symbolic as shown in Galatians 4:24.
They read bible like a recipe.

I am too Carnal? Let me give you an example how the Muslim mind work when it comes to the Bible. The Laws of God we believe is ETERNAL. So, any contradiction to the existing Law, we want to see what brought it about.

Lets take Interest earning for example. The Quran forbids it. Now, we look in the Bible and we see David forbidding it, Jeremiah forbidding it, but a verse supporting it.

We reject that one that support it and upheld the one that forbids it.

For instance:

Exodus 22:25 KJV
[25] If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.

Leviticus 25:37 KJV
[37] Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals for increase.

Deuteronomy 23:19-20 KJV
[19] Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury:
[20] Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

Psalm 15:5 KJV
[5] He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent. He that doeth these things shall never be moved.

Proverbs 28:8 KJV
[8] He that by usury and unjust gain increaseth his substance, he shall gather it for him that will pity the poor.

Jeremiah 15:10 KJV
[10] Woe is me, my mother, that thou hast borne me a man of strife and a man of contention to the whole earth! I have neither lent on usury, nor men have lent to me on usury; yet every one of them doth curse me.

Ezekiel 22:12-13 KJV
[12] In thee have they taken gifts to shed blood; thou hast taken usury and increase, and thou hast greedily gained of thy neighbours by extortion, and hast forgotten me, saith the Lord God . [13] Behold, therefore I have smitten mine hand at thy dishonest gain which thou hast made, and at thy blood which hath been in the midst of thee.

Matthew 25:27-29 KJV
[27] Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. [28] Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. [29] For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

So, in Deuteronomy, you will see the cunning lying Jewish hand saying to take Usury from your Brother but from a Stranger, you can take! That's the FRAUD we are talking about and also in Mathew, Jesus giving a Parable and in doing so, give legitimacy to Usury. That is a FRAUD.
Jesus could not have said that, so some PIOUS FRAUD has been committed in his Name.

Do you understand how we do it now?

Originakalokalo:


I quoted the same King James first... Go back and read what you quoted..

An English student in Ss1 will interpret the verses easily...

If the moon stops, then I will change my covenant with Israel....


God so love this people.....

Pardon me, English is a borrowed Language for me, on the verse you quoted why did you leave out Your Messiah own words that Matthew 21:42-44 KJV
[42] Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
[43] Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
[44] And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Why did you leave this out?

The rejected stone the Jews rejected was Ishmael. The same became the head! This has been foretold in your Bible but you guys overlook it!

Lukuluku69:


I am too Carnal? Let me give you an example how the Muslim mind work when it comes to the Bible. The Laws of God we believe is ETERNAL. So, any contradiction to the existing Law, we want to see what brought it about.

Lets take Interest earning for example. The Quran forbids it. Now, we look in the Bible and we see David forbidding it, Jeremiah forbidding it, but a verse supporting it.

We reject that one that support it and upheld the one that forbids it.

For instance:

Exodus 22:25 KJV
[25] If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.

Leviticus 25:37 KJV
[37] Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals for increase.

Deuteronomy 23:19-20 KJV
[19] Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury:
[20] Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

Psalm 15:5 KJV
[5] He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent. He that doeth these things shall never be moved.

Proverbs 28:8 KJV
[8] He that by usury and unjust gain increaseth his substance, he shall gather it for him that will pity the poor.

Jeremiah 15:10 KJV
[10] Woe is me, my mother, that thou hast borne me a man of strife and a man of contention to the whole earth! I have neither lent on usury, nor men have lent to me on usury; yet every one of them doth curse me.

Ezekiel 22:12-13 KJV
[12] In thee have they taken gifts to shed blood; thou hast taken usury and increase, and thou hast greedily gained of thy neighbours by extortion, and hast forgotten me, saith the Lord God . [13] Behold, therefore I have smitten mine hand at thy dishonest gain which thou hast made, and at thy blood which hath been in the midst of thee.

Matthew 25:27-29 KJV
[27] Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. [28] Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. [29] For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

So, in Deuteronomy, you will see the cunning lying Jewish hand saying to take Usury from your Brother but from a Stranger, you can take! That's the FRAUD we are talking about and also in Mathew, Jesus giving a Parable and in doing so, give legitimacy to Usury. That is a FRAUD.
Jesus could not have said that, so some PIOUS FRAUD has been committed in his Name.

Do you understand how we do it now?

You just proved me right by reading the bible like a recipe further.

Originakalokalo:


I quoted the same King James first... Go back and read what you quoted..

An English student in Ss1 will interpret the verses easily...

If the moon stops, then I will change my covenant with Israel....


God so love this people.....

Yahweh Loves them yet Yahweh son said the Kingdom of God will be taken from them and given to another Nation?

CodeTemplar:
You just proved me right by reading the bible like a recipe further.

Because it contains some man made words. You gotta sift it to know what God says.

CodeTemplar:
Summary is that those people can't see into the future cos they aren't God or witches but kill people they don't know their hearts.

Yes ONLY GOD knows the heart of Men. If you kill any Innocent soul, you shall answer to God.