raumdeuter:


[s]Hidden Hazard has basically scored 1 goal more than Pedro despite playing almost 1,000 minute more

That shows Pedro is more effective than Hazard

Before you blame Morata, how many strikers has Hazard fed with loads of assists since he got to Chelsea?[/s]

How many assists does Pedro have this season?

You have forgotten to compare their goals contributions, atleast thats what a sensible analyst will mention.

raumdeuter:


6 coaches with very different styles, From defensive to balanced to attacking. Hazard has failed with everyone of them

Players like Fabregas and Costa have excelled with evidence in goals and assists chart unlike Hidden Shakushaku

So eden hazard has failed as an attacker at Chelsea despite the fact dat d last two times d blues won the league he was undoubtedly their best performer. If dat is failure then I don't know what to say about players like harry Kane and salah dat are yet to win shit at their respective clubs...

airmark:


How many assists does Pedro have this season?

You have forgotten to compare their goals contributions, atleast thats what a sensible analyst will mention.

How many more minutes does Hidden Hazard have this season? Sensible analysts will look at how a player with 1000min less is dragging goals with the Messi of Chelsea

airmark:


How many assists does Pedro have this season?

You have forgotten to compare their goals contributions, atleast thats what a sensible analyst will mention.

Baba, leave Dayo na.

We dey discuss gods of Egypt Naija and the war against Alaba

thorrvik55:


So eden hazard has failed as an attacker at Chelsea despite the fact dat d last two times d blues won the league he was undoubtedly their best performer. If dat is failure then I don't know what to say about players like harry Kane and salah dat are yet to win shit at their respective clubs...

How can Hidden Hazard be the best performer in 2017, when Kante and Azpi were there? Or how in 2015 when Costa and fabregas were

Kane and Salah do their jobs. Last season Salah topped the scorers chart Kane did some seasons back. When has Hazard ever topped goals or assist chart for Chelsea never mind the entire league

SkimpleD:

Baba Jay, leave Larry one side make we gist.

You mind elucidating about “religionists and syncretism” especially as it relates to local names being attributed to God?

I’d like to know man.

It's always good to read about different religions so one can gain deeper insight into life issues. It's a personal endeavour.

When Europeans and Arabs brought their religions into our lands a few hundred years ago, people knew little of Jehovah/Yahweh, Jesus, Allah. To familiarise the people with these entities, they told them Jehovah means God in Hebrew and Olorun/Olohun in Yoruba, or Chukwu/Chineke in Ibo.

Olorun, Sango, Ogun, Oya, Chukwu, Chineke and the likes were all local deities Africans used to worship before slave masters and colonialists from Rome and terrorists from Arabia brought their own gods into Africa and merged the traits of Yahweh, Allah with those of our indigenous gods.

This mischievous act of combining various ideologies or beliefs is called syncretism and twists historical facts and myths about gods in religions.

But those that know the history of religions understand how powerful people use religion to colonize and dominate weaker people. It's all political.

For instance, some Muslims pray to Olohun as Allah but Olorun has Obatala as a son, as depicted in historical facts about the deity, but Allah has no child or son, as stated in Qur'an.

The syncretism causes confusion. To get rid of the confusion, it's wise to read the history of religions and the history of different gods, such as Yahweh, Allah, Jesus, Olorun, El, Gilgamesh, that people worship in religions.

It's all deceit and mind control.

HanksAnuku:


Even Christian God don upgrade from burnt offering to payment gateway.

Fenibeso better step up before one Ogoni God come with cloud based portal, and direct integration with betnaija server.

Bims go don kill like 70 rams/goats. Chai.

Maybe raumdeuter's $100 went to the shrine. Who knows?

https://www.nairaland.com/5089251/lionel-messi-cloned-genetics-scientist

Here's a scientist claiming Lionel Messi can be cloned. This is a contentious issue with ethicists and religionists.

SkimpleD:

Baba, leave Dayo na.

We dey discuss gods of Egypt Naija and the war against Alaba

I don leave raumdeuter. You notice he didn't say anything about this Fenibeso, powerful god.

Meanwhile, it seems Fenibeso failed in fantasy football too o.

gensteejay:

Go and grab good books on history of Olorun/Olohun written by Yoruba authors (historians) and compare his traits with that of Jesus in the Bible.

I'm sure you are a Christian who constantly says "Jesus is Lord" and pray to Jesus as God, who some call Olorun in Yoruba in ignorance.

Can you translate "Jesus is Lord" to Yoruba? You stated Jesus is different from Olorun, but I'm sure you will use Olorun or Olodumare for "Lord" in that translation.

So, who is actually ignorant now?

By the time you examine the traits of Olohun in history books, I'm sure you will have an answer to that question.

I don’t need to go grab any book because I’m a full blooded Yoruba. It’s obvious you are not Yoruba.

When I say you spew a lot of rubbish with so much confidence you actually think I’m abusing you. Your ignorance is legendary.

Olorun is what Yorubas call God even before religion came to these side. Olorun and Jesus does not have the same trait.

Yorubas call Jesus OLUWA. OLUWA is different from OLORUN. When you say Jesus is Lord it translates loosely to Jesu Ni Oluwa. OLUWA means Lord.

Olorun/Olodumare/Eledumare - Yoruba
Yahweh/Jehovah - Hebrew
Allah - Arabic
God - English

So I ask you again, is Olorun Jesus?

raumdeuter:

How can Hidden Hazard be the best performer in 2017, when Kante and Azpi were there? Or how in 2015 when Costa and fabregas were

Kane and Salah do their jobs. Last season Salah topped the scorers chart Kane did some seasons back. When has Hazard ever topped goals or assist chart for Chelsea never mind the entire league

So hazard was not Chelsea's best performer in 2015 despite d fact but he was given the PFA player of the year.
Lemme just do as if I did not see azpilicueta up there self...

U see why people refer to u as d greatest AMALA TURNER of our time?
U said eden hazard has been a failure at Chelsea and I reminded u dat he helped Chelsea to two premier league trophies and d likes of harry Kane and salah are yet to win shit and ur reply is dat they topped goals scorers chart.
Let me get did clear, harry Kane and salah's premier league career has not been a failure because they topped goals chart but eden hazard's premier league career has been a failure despite leading his team to two premier league trophies ehn

gensteejay:

It's always good to read about different religions so one can gain deeper insight into life issues. It's a personal endeavour.

When Europeans and Arabs brought their religions into our lands a few hundred years ago, people knew little of Jehovah/Yahweh, Jesus, Allah. To familiarise the people with these entities, they told them Jehovah means God in Hebrew and Olorun/Olohun in Yoruba, or Chukwu/Chineke in Ibo.

Olorun, Sango, Ogun, Oya, Chukwu, Chineke and the likes were all local deities Africans used to worship before slave masters and colonialists from Rome and terrorists from Arabia brought their own gods into Africa and merged the traits of Yahweh, Allah with those of our indigenous gods.

This mischievous act of combining various ideologies or beliefs is called syncretism and twists historical facts and myths about gods in religions.

But those that know the history of religions understand how powerful people use religion to colonize and dominate weaker people. It's all political.

For instance, some Muslims pray to Olohun as Allah but Olorun has Obatala as a son, as depicted in historical facts about the deity, but Allah has no child or son, as stated in Qur'an.

The syncretism causes confusion. To get rid of the confusion, it's wise to read the history of religions and the history of different gods, such as Yahweh, Allah, Jesus, Olorun, El, Gilgamesh, that people worship in religions.

It's all deceit and mind control.

Can you stake 10k on your claim that Olorun is a deity that is been worshipped by the locals? Let’s put your Education to test.

larride:


I have no intention of stopping you from posting on this issue, in fact that’s what I want so you can keep showcasing your ignorance to everyone while I just keep puncturing your lies.

So let’s start all over sir.

Is it true that Olorun is the same as Jesus?

First and foremost, Yorubas(mostly Lagos born and breds) refer to God as Ọlọhun. Those from the hinterlands say Ọlọ́run. Pentecostal Yorubas when talking about trinity say :" Ọlọ́run bàbà, Ọlọ́run ọmọ àti Ọlọ́run ẹ̀mí mímọ́.(Meaning God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit).Ọlọ́run ọmọ which is God the son is inseparable from the trinity as they are referred to as mẹta lọ́kàn (Trinity)

So if the Guy says Ọlọhun / Ọlọ́run is Jesus I don't think he's wrong, except you just want to troll him because you don't agree with his atheist point of view.

And yes Ọlọ́run according to the Yorubas is orisha ńlá, the biggest ong the gods. He lives in the sky and rules over the affairs of the world. It is believed he is so big you have to tru other deities which explains why Orunmila is consulted to know his mind and what he holds in the future for individuals. Most people who have smaller deities they worship in the Yorubaland of old prior to the missionaries and Arabs coming still look up to Ọlọ́run / Ọlọhun for better days ahead.

larride:


I don’t need to go grab any book because I’m a full blooded Yoruba. It’s obvious you are not Yoruba.

When I say you spew a lot of rubbish with so much confidence you actually think I’m abusing you. Your ignorance is legendary.

Olorun is what Yorubas call God even before religion came to these side. Olorun and Jesus does not have the same trait.

Yorubas call Jesus OLUWA. OLUWA is different from OLORUN. When you say Jesus is Lord it translates loosely to Jesu Ni Oluwa. OLUWA means Lord.

Olorun/Olodumare/Eledumare - Yoruba
Yahweh/Jehovah - Hebrew
Allah - Arabic
God - English

So I ask you again, is Olorun Jesus?

You are right. Keep wallowing in your ignorance.

larride:




Can you stake 10k on your claim that Olorun is a deity that is been worshipped by the locals? Let’s put your Education to test.

You are not making any sense. Go and read books on the history of religion and colonialism in Nigeria and cure yourself of ignorance.

Reading could be an arduous task for people that are mentally lazy.

larride:


I don’t need to go grab any book because I’m a full blooded Yoruba. It’s obvious you are not Yoruba.

When I say you spew a lot of rubbish with so much confidence you actually think I’m abusing you. Your ignorance is legendary.

Olorun is what Yorubas call God even before religion came to these side. Olorun and Jesus does not have the same trait.

Yorubas call Jesus OLUWA. OLUWA is different from OLORUN. When you say Jesus is Lord it translates loosely to Jesu Ni Oluwa. OLUWA means Lord.

Olorun/Olodumare/Eledumare - Yoruba
Yahweh/Jehovah - Hebrew
Allah - Arabic
God - English

So I ask you again, is Olorun Jesus?

Olúwa is lord quite alright. But Jesus is also called God by those who believe in trinity ( majority of pentecostal Yorubas fall into this category) i.e God the son.

BlueRayDick:


First and foremost, Yorubas(mostly Lagos born and breds) refer to God as Ọlọhun. Those from the hinterlands say Ọlọ́run. Pentecostal Yorubas when talking about trinity say :" Ọlọ́run bàbà, Ọlọ́run ọmọ àti Ọlọ́run ẹ̀mí mímọ́.(Meaning God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit).Ọlọ́run ọmọ which is God the son is inseparable from the trinity as they are referred to as mẹta lọ́kàn (Trinity)

So if the Guy says Ọlọhun / Ọlọ́run is Jesus I don't think he's wrong, except you just want to troll him because you don't agree with his atheist point of view.

And yes Ọlọ́run according to the Yorubas is orisha ńlá, the biggest ong the gods. He lives in the sky and rules over the affairs of the world. It is believed he is so big you have to tru other deities which explains why Orunmila is consulted to know his mind and what he holds in the future for individuals. Most people who have smaller deities they worship in the Yorubaland of old prior to the missionaries and Arabs coming still look up to Ọlọ́run / Ọlọhun for better days ahead.

Whether in Lagos or in the hinterland, OLORUN is OLORUN. Olorun has never been spelt as OLOHUN.

Now to your other post. Yorubas do not worship Olorun directly, in fact there’s no shrine or place of worship to go and worship Olorun. There are place of worship for Orunmila, Obatala, Sango, Ogun even Esu but there’s no place of worship for Olorun. It is Olorun that grants Orunmila, Obatala, Sango, Ogun and the likes their power.

Bible says Jesus is our Lord. Lord means Oluwa and NOT Olorun.

gensteejay:

You are not making any sense. Go and read books on the history of religion and colonialism in Nigeria and cure yourself of ignorance.

Reading could be an arduous task for people that are mentally lazy.

Put 10k on your knowledge and show any shrine in Yorubaland or anywhere that Olorun is been worshiped.

Let’s test your Education.

thorrvik55:


So hazard was not Chelsea's best performer in 2015 despite d fact but he was given the PFA player of the year.
Lemme just do as if I did not see azpilicueta up there self...

U see why people refer to u as d greatest AMALA TURNER of our time?
U said eden hazard has been a failure at Chelsea and I reminded u dat he helped Chelsea to two premier league trophies and d likes of harry Kane and salah are yet to win shit and ur reply is dat they topped goals scorers chart.
Let me get did clear, harry Kane and salah's premier league career has not been a failure because they topped goals chart but eden hazard's premier league career has been a failure despite leading his team to two premier league trophies ehn

In 2015 Costa and Fabregas were better than Hidden Hazard and no polling booth award will tell us otherwise. In 2017 Kante and Azpilicueta were better than Hazard in Chelsea

Hazard won the premier league trophies because he was carried by Kante, Azpi, Fabregas and Costa. Kane and Salah did their jobs by topping the scorers chart. Hazard did not lead anything he was carried on just like Mikel and Pedro

larride:


Put 10k on your knowledge and show any shrine in Yorubaland or anywhere that Olorun is been worshiped.

Let’s test your Education.

Are all gods worshipped in a shrine? By praying to a god/goddess and sacrificing things in his/her name, you're worshipping that god.

gensteejay:

You are not making any sense. Go and read books on the history of religion and colonialism in Nigeria and cure yourself of ignorance.

Reading could be an arduous task for people that are mentally lazy.

I remember when we told you some of us saw juju in action, you asked for video evidence before you could believe. Now, who told you that what you read about the history of religion and colonialism in Nigeria, to cement your view, was true? Were you there? Where's the video evidence?

This is a major problem with you and Dayo.

BlueRayDick:


Olúwa is lord quite alright. But Jesus is also called God by those who believe in trinity ( majority of pentecostal Yorubas fall into this category) i.e God the son.

Olorun has NEVER been referred to as a LORD, Yes or No?

gensteejay:

Are all gods worshipped in a shrine? By praying to a god/goddess and sacrificing things in his/her name, you're worshipping that god.

Oya, let’s put 10k and show me any where in Yorubaland where anyone sacrifice anything to “Olorun”.

airmark:


I remember when we told you some of us saw juju in action, you asked for video evidence before you could believe. Now, who told you that what you read about the [b]history of religion and colonialism in Nigeria, to cement yo[/b]ur view, was true? Were you there? Where's the video evidence?

This is a major problem with you and Dayo.

There are several books written by scholars and experts in history on the subject. So facts in such books and research journals are solid pieces of evidence.

At least, most of us were taught the history of Olohun, Sango, Ogun, Ogun, Oya, Osun, Eshu in primary/elementary school Yoruba.

Only an unlettered fellow will see books and research journals on this subject in the academia as weak evidence.

airmark:


I remember when we told you some of us saw juju in action, you asked for video evidence before you could believe. Now, who told you that what you read about the [b]history of religion and colonialism in Nigeria, to cement yo[/b]ur view, was true? Were you there? Where's the video evidence?

This is a major problem with you and Dayo.

There are several books written by scholars and experts in history on the subject. So facts in such books and research journals are solid evidence pieces of evidence.

At least, most of us were taught the history of Olohun, Sango, Ogun, Ogun, Oya, Osun, Eshu in primary/elementary school Yoruba.

Only an unlettered fellow will see books and research journals on this subject in the academia as weak evidence.

HanksAnuku:


I'm currently watching season 2 of American Gods.

Very pertinent question.

The only war boys dey fight these days na against Alabi.

As they say in my field, Fenibeso needs to re-plat.

Workflow things.

that American gods is one shitty series
Old gods v new gods

HanksAnuku:


I'm currently watching season 2 of American Gods.

Very pertinent question.

The only war boys dey fight these days na against Alabi.

As they say in my field, Fenibeso needs to re-plat.

Workflow things.

Haha
The good people of Rivers will outsource the implementation and deployment of updated version of Fenibeso

raumdeuter:

How can Hidden Hazard be the best performer in 2017, when Kante and Azpi were there? Or how in 2015 when Costa and fabregas were

Kane and Salah do their jobs. Last season Salah topped the scorers chart Kane did some seasons back. When has Hazard ever topped goals or assist chart for Chelsea never mind the entire league

In 2017/18 he was Chelseas highest goal scorer
Same as 2013/2014.
Although the season is still running, he is still Chelseas highest goal scorer this season.

larride:


Oya, let’s put 10k and show me any where in Yorubaland where anyone sacrifice anything to “Olorun”.

Can you see any sense in this your question when the event you're talking about took place few hundred years ago before the advent of Christianity and Islam in Nigeria? When most people were African traditional worshippers.

larride:


Whether in Lagos or in the hinterland, OLORUN is OLORUN. Olorun has never been spelt as OLOHUN.

Now to your other post. Yorubas do not worship Olorun directly, in fact there’s no shrine or place of worship to go and worship Olorun. There are place of worship for Orunmila, Obatala, Sango, Ogun even Esu but there’s no place of worship for Olorun. It is Olorun that grants Orunmila, Obatala, Sango, Ogun and the likes their power.

Bible says Jesus is our Lord. Lord means Oluwa and NOT Olorun.

So where do you think Ọlọhun originated from? Benin republic? It's just a corrupt form of Ọlọ́run. Most people who grew up in Lagos use it. There are a lot of Yoruba words like that Yorubas in Lagos use that ate not really the original form of Yoruba. There are numerous examples. If you want I will give you.

Nobody said there's a shrine for Ọlọ́run. I already told you most people worship smaller deities which u repeated in your post. Ọlọrun is highly revered and called orisha ńla. He's always begged to tamper justice with mercy ; Hence you hear people make comments like orisha òkè là bẹ kò fún wa lomo ( We beseech the God of the sky to give us offspring)

As for you saying the Bible didn't refer to Jesus as God, you obviously haven't read your Bible as much as you claim. I will give you few passages to show you gaffe in that regard

1. "After eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, 'Peace be with you.' Then He said to Thomas, 'Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.' Thomas answered and said to Him, 'My Lord and my God!' Jesus said to him, 'Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed,'” (John 20:26-29).

2. "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God , Eternal Father, Prince of Peace," (Isaiah 9:6).

gensteejay:

It's always good to read about different religions so one can gain deeper insight into life issues. It's a personal endeavour.

When Europeans and Arabs brought their religions into our lands a few hundred years ago, people knew little of Jehovah/Yahweh, Jesus, Allah. To familiarise the people with these entities, they told them Jehovah means God in Hebrew and Olorun/Olohun in Yoruba, or Chukwu/Chineke in Ibo.

Olorun, Sango, Ogun, Oya, Chukwu, Chineke and the likes were all local deities Africans used to worship before slave masters and colonialists from Rome and terrorists from Arabia brought their own gods into Africa and merged the traits of Yahweh, Allah with those of our indigenous gods.

This mischievous act of combining various ideologies or beliefs is called syncretism and twists historical facts and myths about gods in religions.

But those that know the history of religions understand how powerful people use religion to colonize and dominate weaker people. It's all political.

For instance, some Muslims pray to Olohun as Allah but Olorun has Obatala as a son, as depicted in historical facts about the deity, but Allah has no child or son, as stated in Qur'an.

The syncretism causes confusion. To get rid of the confusion, it's wise to read the history of religions and the history of different gods, such as Yahweh, Allah, Jesus, Olorun, El, Gilgamesh, that people worship in religions.

It's all deceit and mind control.

bros Jesus shouldn't be compare to Yahweh,olorun or Allah

larride:


Olorun has NEVER been referred to as a LORD, Yes or No?

Ọlọ́run is God. But Jesus is also God yes or no? I've sent Bible passages that prove this to be true ; so your yes or no might not really matter