garetz:


“For each of the relevant actions investigated, the report sets out evidence on both sides of the question and leave unresolved what the special counsel views as ‘difficult issues’ of law and fact concerning whether the President’s actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction,”

This is what the summary literally said. It's clear this has nothing to do with a desire not indict a sitting president. Mueller was conflicted on if the president's actions amounted to obstruction so he pushed it to the DOJ to decide and they did, they said there was none

False...

You’re interpreting it the wrong way...

Special Counsel Robert Muller is simply using complex legal terms...

The only difficult issue is the guidelines which the DOJ established as a precedent & Special Counsel Muller must adhere to...

If Special Counsel Robert Muller would have said explicitly President Donald J Trump obstructed justice that would be seen as an impeachable offense which would throw the whole country into Constitutional crises

He deliberately avoided that scenario...

If President Donald J Trump was innocent then it wouldn’t be difficult to state that President Donald J Trump didn’t obstruct justice but he didn’t say so...

garetz:
Attorney general Barr and Deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein found no evidence of obstruction.

“In cataloguing the President’s actions, many of which took place in public view, the (Mueller) report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, constitute obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent”

That’s simply Attorney General William Barr view & own words...

Special Counsel Robert Muller thinks otherwise...

Take a step back & think for a moment:

Do you really think that Attorney General William Barr a Trump puppet & Appointee will indict Trump...

Of course he wouldn’t.

Everyone knows him right from his days as a Bias Conservative Republican...

garetz:
Attorney general Barr and Deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein found no evidence of obstruction.

“In cataloguing the President’s actions, many of which took place in public view, the (Mueller) report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, constitute obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent”

And for those of you not aware of the politics at play it’s very important for y’all to read the 18 Page Memo written by Attorney General William Barr in June 2018 criticizing & undermining the Special Counsel Muller investigation...

It’s definitely an eye opener...

7Alexandre:


False...

You’re interpreting it the wrong way...

Special Counsel Robert Muller is simply using complex legal terms...

The only difficult issue is the guidelines which the DOJ established as a precedent & Special Counsel Muller must adhere to...

If Special Counsel Robert Muller would have said explicitly President Donald J Trump obstructed justice that would be seen as an impeachable offense which would throw the whole country into Constitutional crises

He deliberately avoided that scenario...

If President Donald J Trump was innocent then it wouldn’t be difficult to state that President Donald J Trump didn’t obstruct justice but he didn’t say so...

You're the one interpreting it the wrong way, I just posted for you what the summary literally said but you really over reaching by somehow going into Mueller's mind to know that he deliberately avoided concluding there was obstruction because he doesn't want to throw the country into crises. Mueller never said anything like that but he clearly said he was having difficulty deciding if there was obstruction or not hence his decision to leave that conclusion to the DOJ

7Alexandre:


And for those of you not aware of the politics at play it’s very important for y’all to read the 18 Page Memo written by Attorney General William Barr in June 2018 criticizing & undermining the Special Counsel Muller investigation...

It’s definitely an eye opener...

And Rod Rosenstein? Is he also colluding to criticize and undermine the special counsel he appointed in the first place?

garetz:


“For each of the relevant actions investigated, the report sets out evidence on both sides of the question and leave unresolved what the special counsel views as ‘difficult issues’ of law and fact concerning whether the President’s actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction,”

This is what the summary literally said. It's clear this has nothing to do with a desire not to indict a sitting president. Mueller was conflicted on if the president's actions amounted to obstruction so he pushed it to the DOJ to decide and they did, they said there was none

False...

The only conflict Special Counsel Muller has was knowing that indicting a Sitting President would throw the entire nation into a Constitutional Crises...

As a result he choose the safe option...

Which was to take a middle ground to avoid accusations of bias by both sides of the aisle

If he wasn’t conflicted when he made a decision that President Donald J Trump did not collude with Russian then Special Counsel Robert Muller is certainly not conflicted as to whether or not President Donald J Trump obstructed justice...

He knows the answer but choose to do what is best for the country while carefully following laid down guidelines by the DOJ which specifically states that a sitting President cannot be indicted...

By not explicitly stating that President Donald J Trump obstructed justice, Special Counsel Muller avoided the worst case scenario which was a Constitutional crisis..

7Alexandre:


False...

The only conflict Special Counsel Muller has was knowing that indicting a Sitting President would throw the entire nation into a Constitutional Crises...

As a result he choose the safe option...

Which was to take a middle ground to avoid accusations of bias by both sides of the aisle

If he wasn’t conflicted when he made a decision that President Donald J Trump did not collude with Russian then Special Counsel Robert Muller is certainly not conflicted as to whether or not President Donald J Trump obstructed justice...

He knows the answer but choose to do what is best for the country while carefully following laid down guidelines by the DOJ which specifically states that a sitting President cannot be indicted...

By not explicitly stating that President Donald J Trump obstructed justice, Special Counsel Muller avoided the worst case scenario which was a Constitutional crisis..

@bolded, can you please show us where the report or the summary says so?

garetz:

And Rod Rosenstein? Is he also colluding to criticize and undermine the special counsel he appointed in the first place?

Rod Rosenstein is irrelevant to me...

As far as I’m concerned Attorney General William Barr is the one that drafted up the letter...

Now let me ask you why did you think President Donald J Trump fired Attorney General Sessions from office when he recused himself from the Russian Election Meddling Investigation by Special Counsel Robert Muller?

Because President Donald J Trump wanted to install a Loyalist & puppet who wouldn’t bring any charges against him which explains the reason he chose Attorney General William Barr a puppet & well known Bias Conservative within the Washington DC circle...

garetz:


@bolded, can you please show us where the report or the summary says so?

Attorney General William Barr simply gave us his own words...

Did you ask him to show you where Special Counsel Robert Muller made such Conclusions...

Until the Full unredacted Report by Special Counsel Robert Muller is released then I would never trust a Four page summary prepared by a biased conservative leaning Republican...

#Release the Muller Report!!!

garetz:

You're the one interpreting it the wrong way, I just posted for you what the summary literally said but you really over reaching by somehow going into Mueller's mind to know that he deliberately avoided concluding there was obstruction because he doesn't want to throw the country into crises. Mueller never said anything like that but he clearly said he was having difficulty deciding if there was obstruction or not hence his decision to leave that conclusion to the DOJ

Like I said before I would wait until the Full unredacted Report from Special Counsel Robert Muller is released...

I would be extremely stupid to trust a four page summary report prepared by a Trump Appointee & a well known Biased Conservative Leaning Republican.

We need the Full unredacted Report.

No exceptions!!!

garetz:

Where in the report did he find that Trump obstructed justice

And where in the Report did Special Counsel Robert Muller in his own words state that President Donald J Trump has been exonerated from obstruction of Justice?

7Alexandre:


Rod Rosenstein is irrelevant to me...

As far as I’m concerned Attorney General William Barr is the one that drafted up the letter...

Now let me ask you why did you think President Donald J Trump fired Attorney General Sessions from office when he recused himself from the Russian Election Meddling Investigation by Special Counsel Robert Muller?

Because President Donald J Trump wanted to install a Loyalist & puppet who wouldn’t bring any charges against him which explains the reason he chose Attorney General William Barr a puppet & well known Bias Conservative within the Washington DC circle...

Rod Rosenstein the man who appointed Mueller, received the report from him, participated in analysing and summarizing the report is irrelevant? You know why you are trying to trivialize Rosenstein's role is because everybody knows he is not a fan of Trump so you can't use accusations of bias against him. Unfortunately for you, he played a major role in producing that summary and deciding that there was no obstruction so if you are suggesting that there is a cover up going on here then you are by extension saying that Rosenstein is part of the cover up and I doubt any sensible person will believe that. And Mueller is still alive by the way, so if democrats feel there is a cover up, they should subpoena him and ask him if his report is being misrepresented by Barr and Rosenstein but I doubt they will because they know in their hearts that there is no cover up and there was no collusion. All this drama they are acting is political theatre to tarnish trump and nothing more

7Alexandre:


Like I said before I would wait until the Full unredacted Report from Special Counsel Robert Muller is released...

I would be extremely stupid to trust a four page summary report prepared by a Trump Appointee & a well known Biased Conservative Leaning Republican.

We need the Full unredacted Report.

No exceptions!!!

You are asking for something that is legally impossible. Barr can not release the report unredacted without breaking the law because that will mean publishing publicly names and details about people that were investigated but not indicted. It will also mean the release of details about jurors and information gotten from them and of course, it will also mean the release of information that has to do with America's national security interests so there is no way Barr will release it unredacted. He, the DOJ and the intelligence community will go through it and redact any details that can't be legally released to the public before releasing the report

garetz:

Rod Rosenstein the man who appointed Mueller, received the report from him, participated in analysing and summarizing the report is irrelevant? You know why you are trying to trivialize Rosenstein's role is because everybody knows he is not a fan of Trump so you can't use accusations of bias against him. Unfortunately for you, he played a major role in producing that summary and deciding that there was no obstruction so if you are suggesting that there is a cover up going on here then you are by extension saying that Rosenstein is part of the cover up and I doubt any sensible person will believe that. And Mueller is still alive by the way, so if democrats feel there is a cover up, they should subpoena him and ask him if his report is being misrepresented by Barr and Rosenstein but I doubt they will because they know in their hearts that there is no cover up and there was no collusion. All this drama they are acting is political theatre to tarnish trump and nothing more

Again you’re making false statements...

Special Counsel Robert Muller submitted the report to Attorney General William Barr directly...

It was Attorney General William Barr that then contacted Rob Rosenstein to inform him that Special Counsel Robert Muller Report has been received...

It was also Attorney General William Barr that drafted a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee informing them that the Report has been received...

It’s also very important to point out that four Page Summary Report was prepared under the guidance of Attorney General William Barr with minimal effort from Rob Rosenstein...

It’s also worth noting to point out that the Democrats in the judiciary committee have explicitly expressed their interest to call upon Special Counsel Robert Muller to testify in due time...

But however they must wait until the Full unredacted Report from Special Counsel Robert Muller is received & read before any actions can be taken...

7Alexandre:


And where in the Report did Special Counsel Robert Muller in his own words state that President Donald J Trump has been exonerated from obstruction of Justice?

I never said he did, I said he was conflicted so he left it to the DOJ to decide and they decided there was none. You are the one saying he found that there was obstruction and that's why I asked you to show us where he said anything like that

garetz:

You are asking for something that is legally impossible. Barr can not release the report unredacted without breaking the law because that will mean publishing publicly names and details about people that were investigated but not indicted. It will also mean the release of details about jurors and information gotten from them and of course, it will also mean the release of information that has to do with America's national security interests so there is no way Barr will release it unredacted. He, the DOJ and the intelligence community will go through it and redact any details that can't be legally released to the public before releasing the report

I’m not asking Barr to release the unredacted Report to the public...

I’m asking that the unredacted Report be released to Democrats in the Judiciary committee who’re members of Congress & are privilege to access classified information...

Bar should declassify the one meant for the public but that of members of the Judiciary committee shouldn’t be declassified...

7Alexandre:


Again you’re making false statements...

Special Counsel Robert Muller submitted the report to Attorney General William Barr directly...

It was Attorney General William Barr that then contacted Rob Rosenstein to inform him that Special Counsel Robert Muller Report has been received...

It was also Attorney General William Barr that drafted a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee informing them that the Report has been received...

It’s also very important to point out that four Page Summary Report was prepared under the guidance of Attorney General William Barr with minimal effort from Rob Rosenstein...

It’s also worth noting to point out that the Democrats in the judiciary committee have explicitly expressed their interest to call upon Special Counsel Robert Muller to testify in due time...

But however they must wait until the Full unredacted Report from Special Counsel Robert Muller is received & read before any actions can be taken...

You are wrong!! Mueller submitted the report to Rod Rosenstein, it was Rod Rosenstein that took it to Attorney general Barr. And they analysed it together and decided there was no obstruction before Barr wrote the summary

garetz:

I never said he did, I said he was conflicted so he left it to the DOJ to decide and they decided there was none. You are the one saying he found that there was obstruction and that's why I asked you to show us where he said anything like that

Did you really think that he is conflicted?

He wasn’t conflicted when he said that there was no evidence of collusion...

But all of a sudden he is conflicted when it comes to obstruction of justice...

This is simply politics...

Believe me if Special Counsel Robert Muller believed that President Donald J Trump didn’t obstruct justice he would have said so...

He wouldn’t need the DOJ to decide for him...

His complex words are just a way of saying this man obstructed Justice but due to DOJ Guidelines I will simply let you guys decide & figure a way out to avoid a full blown Constitutional Crises...

I mean come on how difficult is it to say: President Donald J Trump didn’t obstruct Justice...

It’s as easy as ABC...

But Special Counsel Robert Muller didn’t say so...

garetz:

You are wrong!! Mueller submitted the report to Rod Rosenstein, it was Rod Rosenstein that took it to Attorney general Barr. And they analysed it together and decided there was no obstruction before Barr wrote the summary

Completely false...

Prove that Muller submitted the report to Rod Rosenstein & that they both analyzed it together...

7Alexandre:


I’m not asking Barr to release the unredacted Report to the public...

I’m asking that the unredacted Report be released to Democrats in the Judiciary committee who’re members of Congress & are privilege to access classified information...

Bar should declassify the one meant for the public but that of members of the Judiciary committee shouldn’t be declassified...

Anyone that has security clearance to view the unredacted document will be allowed to view it

garetz:

Anyone that has security clearance to view the unredacted document will be allowed to view it

Then why’re they taking so much time to release the unredacted version to High ranking members of the House Judicial Committee?

7Alexandre:


Completely false...

Prove that Muller submitted the report to Rod Rosenstein & that they both analyzed it together...

I have taken my time to go and get you all these clips from CNN. Let the facts speak for itself and admit that you are the one that is completely wrong

7Alexandre:


Then why’re they taking so much time to release the unredacted version to High ranking members of the House Judicial Committee?

Because even those high ranking members have no right to view the private information of jurors, witnesses and people who may have been investigated but ultimately not indicted. All these also need to be redacted.

garetz:

I have taken my time to go and get you all these clips from CNN. Let the facts speak for itself and admit that you are the one that is completely wrong

I’m not wrong...

Two copies were delivered...

One to William Barr & One to Rob Rosenstein...

Didn’t you say that William Barr never got one?

That it was Rob Rosenstein that brought his to Williams Barr office which is a lie...

From the CNN Report both got a copy each...

garetz:

Because even those high ranking members have no right to view the private information of jurors, witnesses and people who may have been investigated but ultimately not indicted. All these also need to be redacted.

False...

They do...

That’s the reason why they’re part of the highly sensitive committee...

If they didn’t have clearances then they wouldn’t be able to view highly classified information...

Why do you think that Congress sometimes has a closed door testimony...

Because high classified information are being discussed & as a result members of the public are not granted entry...

garetz:

I have taken my time to go and get you all these clips from CNN. Let the facts speak for itself and admit that you are the one that is completely wrong

William Barr is The Attorney General...

Rob Rosenstein is the Deputy...

As far as I’m concerned William Barr is the one that addressed the four page summary report to Congress...

He is the one in charge...

The same way President Donald J Trump is in charge of this country not Vice President Mike Pence...

7Alexandre:


I’m not wrong...

Two copies were delivered...

One to William Barr & One to Rob Rosenstein...

Didn’t you say that William Barr never got one?

That it was Rob Rosenstein that brought his to Williams Barr office which is a lie...

From the CNN Report both got a copy each...

Only one copy was delivered and it was delivered to rod Rosenstein, it was rod Rosenstein that took the copy that was delivered to him to AG Barr's office. Go back and read those CNN reports I posted and this time read it slowly and carefully with understanding

garetz:

Only one copy was delivered and it was delivered to rod Rosenstein, it was rod Rosenstein that took the copy that was delivered to him to AG Barr's office. Go back and read those CNN reports I posted and this time read it slowly and carefully with understanding

Attached below is a link to view a copy of the Four Page Summary Report:

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/cbs46.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/f/ad/fadca852-04d4-5ff9-bee3-50085eae2e4c/5c97f7300e3dd.pdf.pdf

7Alexandre:


False...

They do...

That’s the reason why they’re part of the highly sensitive committee...

If they didn’t have clearances then they wouldn’t be able to view highly classified information...

Why do you think that Congress sometimes has a closed door testimony...

Because high classified information are being discussed & as a result members of the public are not granted entry...

They may have the right to view issues relating to security and intelligence but they absolutely have no right to information gotten from the grand jury and individual citizens that were investigated but not indicted in the report

garetz:

Only one copy was delivered and it was delivered to rod Rosenstein, it was rod Rosenstein that took the copy that was delivered to him to AG Barr's office. Go back and read those CNN reports I posted and this time read it slowly and carefully with understanding

A) The Letter began with the heading

The Attorney General

Washington D.C.

Who is the Attorney General= The Attorney General is William Barr

If the Report was prepared by Rob Rosenstein then it would have began with the heading

The Deputy Attorney General

Washington D.C.

But it didn’t.

B) At the end of the Report only one signature is made available

Whose signature was it= Attorney General William Barr

If Rob Rosenstein had prepared the report he would have signed it but he never did which proves the fact that he only made a minimal contribution to the overall report...

This Four Page Summary Report was authored & prepared by a Trump Appointee & Puppet who also happens to be well know as a Bias leaning Conservative Republican within the Washington D.C. Community...

It would be very foolish of me to believe such Report as accurate & unbiased...

I await the Full Report authored by Special Counsel Robert Muller before I can pass judgement...

7Alexandre:


A) The Letter began with the heading

The Attorney General

Washington D.C.

Who is the Attorney General= The Attorney General is William Barr

If the Report was prepared by Rob Rosenstein then it would have began with the heading

The Deputy Attorney General

Washington D.C.

But it didn’t.

B) At the end of the Report only one signature is made available

Whose signature was it= Attorney General William Barr

If Rob Rosenstein had prepared the report he would have signed it but he never did which proves the fact that he only made a minimal contribution to the overall report...

This Four Page Summary Report was authored & prepared by a Trump Appointee & Puppet who also happens to be well know as a Bias leaning Conservative Republican within the Washington D.C. Community...

It would be very foolish of me to believe such Report as accurate & unbiased...

I await the Full Report authored by Special Counsel Robert Muller before I can pass judgement...

Gibberish!! You asked me to provide evidence that Rod Rosenstein was the one who received the report from Mueller and that he participated actively in the analysis of the report and decision to say there wasn't obstruction before Barr wrote the summary. You're just trying to change subjects instead of admitting that I was right and you were wrong.

You posted this

7Alexandre:


Again you’re making false statements...

Special Counsel Robert Muller submitted the report to Attorney General William Barr directly...

It was Attorney General William Barr that then contacted Rob Rosenstein to inform him that Special Counsel Robert Muller Report has been received...

It was also Attorney General William Barr that drafted a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee informing them that the Report has been received...

It’s also very important to point out that four Page Summary Report was prepared under the guidance of Attorney General William Barr with minimal effort from Rob Rosenstein...

I responded with this

garetz:

You are wrong!! Mueller submitted the report to Rod Rosenstein, it was Rod Rosenstein that took it to Attorney general Barr. And they analysed it together and decided there was no obstruction before Barr wrote the summary

Then you responded with this

7Alexandre:


Completely false...

Prove that Muller submitted the report to Rod Rosenstein & that they both analyzed it together...

So I had to go and bring the proof you requested for. Stop trying to be clever by half, just admit you were wrong, you won't die if you do

garetz:

Gibberish!! You asked me to provide evidence that Rod Rosenstein was the one who received the report from Mueller and that he participated actively in the analysis of the report and decision to say there wasn't obstruction before Barr wrote the summary. You're just trying to change subjects instead of admitting that I was right and you were wrong.

You posted this



I responded with this



Then you responded with this



So I had to go and bring the proof you requested for. Stop trying to be clever by half, just admit you were wrong, you won't die if you do

Why would I admit that I’m wrong when I’m not...

Two copies of the report from Robert Muller was sent out one to the Attorney General & the other one to Deputy Attorney General...

They both received same report albeit few minutes apart...

You’ve not presented any evidence that proves that only one Report was sent out & that it was personally Rob Rosenstein that took his own Report to Attorney General William Barr Office...

Have you?

Stop spinning the argument...