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Re: Aniocha, Ndokwa, Ika And Oshimilli Are All Igbo's. Please Know Your Origin by DMerciful(m): 5:05pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
Comeback? I don't have your time! I've better things to do! RedboneSmith: |
Re: Aniocha, Ndokwa, Ika And Oshimilli Are All Igbo's. Please Know Your Origin by RedboneSmith(m): 5:39pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
DMerciful: No, you don't have better things to do. You have made quite a number of comments in the past few hours or so for someone who has better things to do. And your profile says you're currently online. Just say you cannot support the Umuleri fib you told told with authentic historical/traditional evidence instead of giving me the "busy" line. 2 Likes |
Re: Aniocha, Ndokwa, Ika And Oshimilli Are All Igbo's. Please Know Your Origin by morpheus24: 10:38pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
DNA! DNA! DNA! 1 Like |
Re: Aniocha, Ndokwa, Ika And Oshimilli Are All Igbo's. Please Know Your Origin by natinhoo(m): 8:25am On Mar 26, 2019 |
Xander85:You think writing vain gibberish gives you credibility? I honestly don't hate Igbos but their self righteousness honestly irritates me. Mention one other ethnic group Igbos like or at the very least respects. Love is reciprocal o. And that siege mentality you guys try to paint has outlived its usefulness |
Re: Aniocha, Ndokwa, Ika And Oshimilli Are All Igbo's. Please Know Your Origin by ndukaku1503(m): 10:10am On Mar 26, 2019 |
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Re: Aniocha, Ndokwa, Ika And Oshimilli Are All Igbo's. Please Know Your Origin by ndukaku1503(m): 10:11am On Mar 26, 2019 |
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Re: Aniocha, Ndokwa, Ika And Oshimilli Are All Igbo's. Please Know Your Origin by letu(m): 7:03pm On Mar 26, 2019 |
: pazienza:Afikpor history speaks of first settlers as non Igbo who were know as Egu and Nkalu whom an Igbo warlord know as Igbo Ukwa in which the Aros call him Oke Igbo with his band of Igbo warriors invaded there homeland, merged with them and unite them together and speak one language which is know as Ehiubo. |
Re: Aniocha, Ndokwa, Ika And Oshimilli Are All Igbo's. Please Know Your Origin by pazienza(m): 7:19pm On Mar 26, 2019 |
letu: The Egu and Nkalu were Igbo speaking. Those they call Igbos that came to settle amongst them are no different from Igbere people calling Aro people who tried to capture and ransack their town Igbos. Hope you know Igbere was derived from the words Igbo ere, meaning Igbos(Aro people) cannot sell. It doesn't mean Igbere people themselves were not Igbos. That Egu and Nkalu people called the people who came to conquer them Igbos, does not mean they were non Igbos themselves. I think in the past, the usage of the Igbo tag is limited to certain groups in Igboland. By the way, Afikpo dialect is Ehugbo, and it's Igbo in all ramifications. Many Igbo town/clans today was formed by union of different Igbo speaking groups who came to coinhabit together, mixed their individual dialects to produce New dialect the group speak today, it's not peculiar to Afikpo. I think there is a problem with Igbo psych. Many Igbo people find it exotic to claim they have some non Igbo origin, I think they see this as a sign of sophistication over their fellow Igbo neighbors, every story of minute non Igbo influences or contacts are exaggerated and twisted to serve this purpose. Whereas in contrast, Igbo neighbors in southern Nigeria try as much as possible to mute Igbo imprints in their history. Chief E. A Iduwe in his book on Agbor history noted this inferiority complex issue in Igbo towns/clan historical narratives, and called it out while condemning it. 5 Likes |
Re: Aniocha, Ndokwa, Ika And Oshimilli Are All Igbo's. Please Know Your Origin by letu(m): 12:52pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
pazienza:Pazienza, my explanation don't really mean that I don't believe in the possibility of Egun & Nkalu being Igbo, I'm from Ngwa and there exist similar groups that are now part of the Igbo people know as Ngwa land/people, they're (1) Ikpu and Ozaa together they are know as Asaa inwhich they are the same with Asaa people of Ukwa West and Obibo. (2) Ohabelle community and Obohia community this community/ ancient settlement are related to Ndoki people. (3) Ngboko Ibeme people of Ngwa land, despite the fact that they speak Ngwa language especially the Ibeme people do have their own Igboiod language. Finally : Pazienza, this is to show that the similarity I'm talking about which I listed are originally Igboiod befor the merged together with Ngwa Ukwu people whom the Ikwerre call Ngwa bakar in which they become the Ngwa people we know today. What I notice is , in your own write-up there is no evidence to prove that Egu, Nkalu and any other distinct group in Afikpor history are of Igbo origin. |
Re: Aniocha, Ndokwa, Ika And Oshimilli Are All Igbo's. Please Know Your Origin by Donarozzi: 11:31pm On Oct 06, 2020 |
frankdoz28: The whole of Anioma is Igboland. Some Anioma indigenes work so hard to disprove their Igboness, and such attitudes are usually a result of the social and psychological impact of the Benin kingdom as well as the African man's tendency to value a foreign phenomenon against his own indigenous phenomenon. Certainly, we know that Edo and other people migrated into Anioma and became indigenes, but their numbers are insignificant compared to the Igbo indigenes. We may portion Anioma into three Igbo cultural areas: Enuani, Ukwuani, and Ika. And to put it to statistical perspective, we may find out that Enuani is 96% Igbo, Ukwuani 97% Igbo, and Ika 80% Igbo. Specifically on Ika: the eastern part of Ika is about 90% Igbo origin while the western part of Ika is about 70% Igbo origin. That is how Ika area averages out to 80% Igbo. Tallying the numbers together, we may say that Anioma is 91% Igbo by ancestry. Generally, for the seven Igbo states, this is the estimate in terms of the ancestry of the indigenes: Abia: 95% Igbo Anambra: 96% Igbo Anioma: 91% Igbo Ebonyi: 96% Igbo Enugu: 95% Igbo Imo: 98% Igbo Rivers: 94% Igbo (that is, Igbo areas of the state) |
Re: Aniocha, Ndokwa, Ika And Oshimilli Are All Igbo's. Please Know Your Origin by OnoVegasBlog: 7:26pm On Jul 13, 2024 |
letu: Please throw more light... ChinenyeN I wish for your contribution too. |
Re: Aniocha, Ndokwa, Ika And Oshimilli Are All Igbo's. Please Know Your Origin by Peppermaster(m): 7:39pm On Jul 13, 2024 |
frankdoz28: THE PROBLEM IS DAT YOUR PEOPLE REFUSE TO LEARN FROM YOUR PAST. AFTER FORCING DEM TO JOIN YOU, TOMORROW THEY WILL JOIN YOUR ENEMIES TO FIGHT. REMEMBER THE IKWERRE, IBIBIO AND EFIK DURING THE WAR. LEAVE DEM ALONE. YOU DON'T FORCE TO LOVE YOU. MY CANDID ADVICE |
Re: Aniocha, Ndokwa, Ika And Oshimilli Are All Igbo's. Please Know Your Origin by ChinenyeN(m): 6:43am On Jan 02 |
letu: OnoVegasBlog: I will not speak on the Egu/Nkalu topic. I assume that is not why I was mentioned and was instead mentioned regarding Ngwa, Asa, Ibeme and Ikwerre. I will try to not make this too long. Basically, Letu is correct, and I will add more detail. Let us start with the Asa. According to oral traditions there were two groups known as Ipu and Oza. One of the main trades of the Ipu and Oza was forestry. Originally, the Ipu and Oza did not live in the Ukwa axis. Instead, they have their homeland in Ikwerre (within the P.H./Obigbo axis). The Ipu and Oza would seasonally go to the forests in Ukwa and Obigbo to engage in their forestry trade. When Ngwa people began settling the Ukwa axis, they encountered these Ipu and Oza foresters. Ngwa people learned of their forestry skill and provided them with more and better iron tools in exchange for their forestry services. The Ipu and Oza began providing these services for Ngwa communities settling in the Ukwa and southern Ngwa axis. Ngwa people called the foresters "Ashia Oshishi" or "Asia Osisi" which eventually was shorted to "Asa". In Ngwa parlance "isia osisi" is the process of whittling trees, branches, etc as part of clearing the forest. This was a seasonal thing that they did. Nde Asia Osisi would seasonally come, perform their services and return to their homeland. The relationship was so amicable that eventually, some Ngwa villages began inviting Ipu and Oza foresters to live with them in these new settlements and engage in their forestry full-time as members of that community. From this interaction, a third group emerged known as "Asa". This is basically how the Asa group was established. Communities/village-groups in southern Ngwa and Ukwa that belong to this original definition of Asa or have "Asa" hyphened in their names are a testament of this historic event of Ipu/Oza people going to live with/among their Ngwa patrons. Time passed and the ethnonym "Asa" began to apply to not just the Ngwa + Ipu/Oza villages, but also the Ipu and Oza communities towards Obigbo. Ibeme is an offshoot of Ipu and Oza communities that expanded into Ukwa. Their oral tradition says they originally migrated from Ohambele axis, and this is evidenced by their dialect which shows a mix of Ngwa and Asa (Ipu/Oza) features. Essentially, all the village-groups in Ndoki (except Umueze) are either of Ipu or Oza or Ngwa extraction, or an admixture of these groups (a.k.a Asa). Mgboko are also from Ibeme, by extension making them of Ipu/Oza extraction. In fact, the Mgboko story is very similar to Ngwa and Ipu/Oza early interaction. In Ngwaland, Mgboko are reknown as itinerant dibia. They traveled up and down the eastern Ngwa axis performing dibia services. Communities in Ngwaland that answer Mgboko or have "Mgboko" affixed to their names either had significant dibia services provided by the Mgboko or invited Mgboko diviners to settle in the community. In terms of language, I agree that the Ibeme dialect definitely reflects its Ikwerre (Ipu/Oza) origin, but is has been influenced by both Ndoki (Umueze) and more so Ngwa. As such, I would say Ibeme could probably be classified as its own Igbo speech form. Also, I would definitely say that they (Ipu/Oza and by extension Ibeme and other related Asa communities) are originally Igbo-speaking; at least by the time of the events recorded in oral tradition. |
Re: Aniocha, Ndokwa, Ika And Oshimilli Are All Igbo's. Please Know Your Origin by Hisroyalbadmeat(m): 10:54am On Jan 03 |
husbandsnatcha:You are a pathetic liar, you didn't speak ikwerre language ,why the obsession, ikwerre is not even mentioned |
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