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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 5:12pm On Mar 28, 2019
darkelf:


Oga, I am talking about the WC. We crashed out in the group stages. We were not even the best performing African team
you're very funny. .. I am not sure you knew what happened during the world cup...
are you aware that Mikel's father was kidnapped prior the Argentina match?
please provide me with the Super Eagles players rating for the Iceland and Croatia game...and let's talk on Mikel relevance.

please do...I am waiting.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 5:19pm On Mar 28, 2019
Humility017:

you're very funny. .. I am not sure you knew what happened during the world cup...
are you aware that Mikel's father was kidnapped prior the Argentina match?
please provide me with the Super Eagles players rating for the Iceland and Croatia game...and let's talk on Mikel relevance.

please do...I am waiting.

I'm talking about how Mikel helped us win games.

Since we lost, player rating doesn't matter.

Who cares about that, the fact still remains that Croatia were the second best team at the tournament and we were one of the worst. We crashed out..we lost simple!!!!! Player raying or not we couldn't even make the second round
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 5:23pm On Mar 28, 2019
forgiveness:


Why use until when you know you are only talking about the world cup?

Because a player had a bad game in the world cup means, he is not good enough, ba?

I didn't say Mikel isn't a good player. Heck, he was important to us in AFCON 2013. But when we had the best support from the NFF, when it mattered the most, we lost badly. We lost 2 games of 3. That is what matters.

Mikel is very good but may not be as indispensable as we think. Wouldn't he retire one day. When that day comes, what next?? Do we want another wahala just as we are facing in the goalkeeping dept since enyeama retired and ikeme fell I'll. That's what I'm talking.g about. We need to step up and on sure qw are up to the task
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Olulong(m): 5:34pm On Mar 28, 2019
Icon79:
Omo, Siasia was brought in to salvage a sinking ship. Each time they call on him, it's always after the qualification had already started and going back: either against Guinea or against Egypt. Let them give the job and leave him alone for about 2 years then we'll be in a better position to assess him. And by the way, they should also give him freehand to select his backroom staff just as they are doing with Rohr. When Siasia asked for Simon Kalika to assist him, the NFF denied his request but the same NFF has allowed Rohr to work his foreign assistants!

Talk about double standards!


O pari


My brother you are making so much sense ��

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 5:37pm On Mar 28, 2019
Olulong:



Not everyone is good at doing the job of patching things. Mind you the two times Siasia took over the eagles job coaches like eguavon and Oliseh have already put the team in a difficult position and u expect him to come perform some magic. Even great coaches like Ferguson needed four years to win his first trophy
let Siasia take over another team and lead them to sometjing first

We did not consider Keshi just like that, we are not talking about Amunike today because of age grade success. Keshi coached two teams, before he was given the Nigerian job, Amunike has successfully coached Tanzania to their first AFCON in 39 years. Siasia cannot be sitting down in his house, and we will be talking about him as if he is a proper coach. Let us talk about people with quality experience, not people with excuses

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 5:45pm On Mar 28, 2019
chrisooblog:
well i see it as rohr giving KC time to adjust since that hasn't worked time for some tough love.

fair enough each coach has his reasons for favouring certain players over others. i like omeruo as well but i think unfortunately (for kenneth) the oyinbo wall has been solid hence him missing out



Nacho didn't deserve a place plain and simple. Rohr has nothing to do with what nacho must do to get back. He should have just left the boy be.


I think if we are being honest we all should be asking why Ekong is favoured over Omerou because it is definitely not about football.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Olulong(m): 5:52pm On Mar 28, 2019
safarigirl:
let Siasia take over another team and lead them to sometjing first

We did not consider Keshi just like that, we are not talking about Amunike today because of age grade success. Keshi coached two teams, before he was given the Nigerian job, Amunike has successfully coached Tanzania to their first AFCON in 39 years. Siasia cannot be sitting down in his house, and we will be talking about him as if he is a proper coach. Let us talk about people with quality experience, not people with excuses


I'll agree on the fact that he should get another job but in my honest opinion he his better than Gernot Rohr both tactically and his style of play is a joy to behold not like Gernot Rohr super eagles team who always struggle to string 5 passes together

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 5:58pm On Mar 28, 2019
BascoVanVeli:


Nacho didn't deserve a place plain and simple. Rohr has nothing to do with what nacho must do to get back. He should have just left the boy be.

I think if we are being honest we all should be asking why Ekong is favoured over Omerou because it is definitely not about football.

Omeruo started over Balogun in the Seychelles game because Balogun is not getting game time. Ekong has probably been our most consistent defender
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:58pm On Mar 28, 2019
darkelf:


But I think we still have a chance of winning it without him. I may be wrong though but i am banking on the guys to step up if it ever comes to that.

The Super Eagles has a chance of winning with or without Mikel. We are stronger with Mikel on the line up but can cope without him.

However, my problem still lies in the development of the team on the international scene and how formidable we can become against top opponents. I do not think we are marching in that direction.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake2: 5:59pm On Mar 28, 2019
Olulong:



I'll agree on the fact that he should get another job but in my honest opinion he his better than Gernot Rohr both tactically and his style of play is a joy to behold not like Gernot Rohr super eagles team who always struggle to string 5 passes together

You cannot even compare Siasia to Gernot Rohr because of youth grade team

Maybe John Obuh and Manu Garba are world class coaches because they won U-17 world cup grin

Siasia has zero qualification as a first team coach

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 6:01pm On Mar 28, 2019
darkelf:


I didn't say Mikel isn't a good player. Heck, he was important to us in AFCON 2013. But when we had the best support from the NFF, when it mattered the most, we lost badly. We lost 2 games of 3. That is what matters.

Mikel is very good but may not be as indispensable as we think. Wouldn't he retire one day. When that day comes, what next?? Do we want another wahala just as we are facing in the goalkeeping dept since enyeama retired and ikeme fell I'll. That's what I'm talking.g about. We need to step up and on sure qw are up to the task

If we can use Mikel Obi to win another AFCON now, tomorrow will take care of itself. Competition is all about winning regardless of age.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:02pm On Mar 28, 2019
Olulong:



I'll agree on the fact that he should get another job but in my honest opinion he his better than Gernot Rohr both tactically and his style of play is a joy to behold not like Gernot Rohr super eagles team who always struggle to string 5 passes together

I also believe Siasia is ahead of Rohr tactically and in setting up the team to play brilliantly. I feel it is the way we should play and grow as a team. However, it seems Pinnick's led NFF is more interested in short term success and just want a silverware on the cabinet to gloat over.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 6:07pm On Mar 28, 2019
tbaba1234:


Omeruo started over Balogun in the Seychelles game because Balogun is not getting game time. Ekong has probably been our most consistent defender


I could have started against Seychelles. The true message was sent when Omeruo got dropped for the Egypt match.

On what grounds is Ekong the most consistent defender? That is a fictitious comment. I wonder if you would have forgiven Omerou for the penalty he gave away against Croatia.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 6:07pm On Mar 28, 2019
Olulong:

I'll agree on the fact that he should get another job but in my honest opinion he his better than Gernot Rohr both tactically and his style of play is a joy to behold not like Gernot Rohr super eagles team who always struggle to string 5 passes together

Siasia is not better than Rohr tactically. His style of play is more adventurous and entertaining but his teams often demonstrate defensive naivety. Rohr sets us up to defend better.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:09pm On Mar 28, 2019
Earthquake2:


You cannot even compare Siasia to Gernot Rohr because of youth grade team

Maybe John Obuh and Manu Garba are world class coaches because they won U-17 world cup grin

Siasia has zero qualification as a first team coach


Zidane had little qualifications as a first team coach before breaking champions league records. Same with Pep Guardiola.

By the way, I am one of those who believes in the universality of football coaching methods.
That was why Amunike could impress with Tanzania. We just downplay our coaches and do not give them the support to succeed. More like sabotaging them and then say they are not good.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:13pm On Mar 28, 2019
tbaba1234:


Siasia is not better than Rohr tactically. His style of play is more adventurous and entertaining but his teams often demonstrate defensive naivety. Rohr sets us up to defend better.

Rohr sets up his team to defend first. That makes the team solid at the back but very blunt in attack.

Siasia takes the creative and the harder route due to his tactical depth to play in a more entertaining and adventurous fashion.

There is a reason why most coaches who are not sound tactically adopt the defensive pattern. They are solid on the back but not tactically sound.

That is the same scenario with Rohr.

It is easier to set up the team and coach them to play like Mourinho than to play like Guardiola.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 6:14pm On Mar 28, 2019
BascoVanVeli:



I could have started against Seychelles. The true message was sent when Omeruo got dropped for the Egypt match.

On what grounds is Ekong the most consistent defender? That is a fictitious comment. I wonder if you would have forgiven Omerou for the penalty he gave away against Croatia.

Egypt game was a friendly. Seychelles was the competitive match.

Ekong played all through the qualifiers for both WC and AFCON and hardly had a poor game. He has also been pretty good for Udinese. Yes he made costly errors in the Croatian game but i am talking overall consistency.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Olulong(m): 6:18pm On Mar 28, 2019
Earthquake2:


You cannot even compare Siasia to Gernot Rohr because of youth grade team

Maybe John Obuh and Manu Garba are world class coaches because they won U-17 world cup ;

Siasia has zero qualification as a first team coach



What was Joachim low's qualification when he took over Germany national team?
What was Pep qualification when he took over Barcelona's job?
What was zidane's qualification when he took over Real Madrid job?
What was Ole qualification before he was employed as an interim manager

Even Julen lopetogui achievement as a coach was in Age grade competitions.


I mean we are judging him based on the fact that he failed to qualify us for the nations cup.
Amunike also failed to qualify us for the Under 20 world cup but he has redeemed himself at Tanzania that's where I'll blame Siasia for not taking another job
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 6:18pm On Mar 28, 2019
Thank you!
Nigeria usually should get to the semis of any AFCON with the absence of administrative lapses. Our issues in the past were more of admin than managerial. Give an average coach AMPLE time and enough support and he will give Nigeria descent results. But hey I’m talking about being progressive and putting us in the map like we never have been. Anything else, we can keep on romancing Rohr for qualifying us for tourneys.



Icon79:
I will agree that he's the best for the Super Eagles simply because of the support and the respect he receives from the NFF. Would the NFF accord similar treatment to an indigenous coach? Not a chance!

Yes, some ICs have been accused of egunje and the likes but did we bother to ask ourselves why they resort to such underhanded means? Isn't that simply because they are trying to survive?? The NFF is in habit of owing ICs 6 months or more salary. So how do you expect these men to feed their families I would like for the NFF to pay our ICs coaches their salaries on time (as they do with these foreign coaches) and give them freehand to select players, then let's see if our local coaches are not good enough.


O pari

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 6:23pm On Mar 28, 2019
It’s a Nigerian people problem.

Modified
However, if not for Oliseh’s attitude, he would still be the SE coach till now. And that’s if Pinnick does not bulge to pressures from Nigerians.

TheGoodJoe:


Zidane had little qualifications as a first team coach before breaking champions league records. Same with Pep Guardiola.

By the way, I am one of those who believes in the universality of football coaching methods.
That was why Amunike could impress with Tanzania. We just downplay our coaches and do not give them the support to succeed. More like sabotaging them and then say they are not good
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 6:28pm On Mar 28, 2019
If Rohr can take us to the final of the AFCON I will have not complaints. He doesn’t even have to match Keshi’s achievements. But I doubt he will. Make una come for my head. It happened during the WC. I no run.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:31pm On Mar 28, 2019
Joebie:
It’s a Nigerian people problem.

Modified
However, if not for Oliseh’s attitude, he would still be the SE coach by now. And that’s if Pinnick does not bulge to pressures from Nigerians.


Not really. Oliseh could not cope with the sabotage. He did not understand how bad it was from the outside looking in. I remember when Oliseh made the rant video, Peterside Idah got asked why Oliseh complaining was being frowned upon by the NFF. Peterside replied that because the treatment was normal and all other Nigerians coaches deal with the poor treatment handed to them.

You can imagine Oliseh going for the CHAN camp and the players did not have food to eat. Oliseh was feeding the players from his pocket. If my memory serves me right, Oliseh spent thousands of dollars feeding the player. When Peterside arrived the camp, the first thing Oliseh did was to ask for money.

So I doubt attitude led Oliseh out but our mentality of sabotaging ourselves from doing well.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 6:34pm On Mar 28, 2019
Why couldn’t he cope? Isn’t that related to attitude? I didn’t say bad attitude mind u. I’m not even trying to argue if he was wrong or right. But is he able to manage people/relationships well?

TheGoodJoe:


Not really. Oliseh could not cope with the sabotage. He did not understand how bad it was from the outside looking in. I remember when Oliseh made the rant video, Peterside Idah got asked why Oliseh complaining was being frowned upon by the NFF. Peterside replied that because the treatment was normal and all other Nigerians coaches deal with the poor treatment handed to them.

You can imagine Oliseh going for the CHAN camp and the players did not have food to eat. Oliseh was feeding the players from his pocket. If my memory serves me right, Oliseh spent thousands of dollars feeding the player. When Peterside arrived the camp, the first thing Oliseh did was to ask for money.

So I doubt attitude led Oliseh out but our mentality of sabotaging ourselves from doing well.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:37pm On Mar 28, 2019
Joebie:
Why couldn’t he cope? Isn’t that related to attitude? I didn’t say bad attitude mind u. I’m not even trying to argue if he was wrong or right. But is he able to manage people/relationships well?


Attitude Ke. Cope with feeding players with thousands of dollars from his pocket. Men that one is not bad attitude but lack of money or means to source for funds to maintain the team. Keep in mind he was not being paid during that period.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 6:38pm On Mar 28, 2019
do4luv14:


is it only our player that played in that pitch,
the soonest our player get used to playing in such pitch the better for us
When they get injured from playing in such a shitty pitch - will you remember them?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 6:40pm On Mar 28, 2019
Icon79:
Yea, yea ... that's easier said than done. Until you find yourself in that situation. Somebody working for 6 full months without pay!

Come home from work and your wife tells you that she desperately needs money for infant formula. What would you do


O pari


I admit with thanksgiving to God, l have never found myself in that position and pray l never ever will be.

That level of desperation can make a saint possibly kill.

However, l know do many people whose have multiple assets in the UK and Nigeria that bear no resemblance to thier public sector incomes. But are still INTRINSICALLY CORRUPT.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 6:42pm On Mar 28, 2019
Joebie:
It’s a Nigerian people problem.

Modified
However, if not for Oliseh’s attitude, he would still be the SE coach till now. And that’s if Pinnick does not bulge to pressures from Nigerians.

Nah all Oliseh wanted was for NFF to act professionally.
I'd be pissed off too if as a coach, I'm still witnessing the same issues I did as a player.
Some people just can't thrive in our chaotic system. I can't blame them...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 6:46pm On Mar 28, 2019
Rohr no be Nigerian but some people sabi blend in. The NFF’s situation has improved, but when Rohr is owed nobody hears kpem. The truth is people who have high tolerance are better in managing relationships.

Even me sef I won’t be able to cope in that situation. But I’m just saying it as it is.

TheGoodJoe:


Attitude Ke. Cope with feeding players with thousands of dollars from his pocket. Men that one is not bad attitude but lack of money or means to source for funds to maintain the team. Keep in mind he was not being paid during that period.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 6:49pm On Mar 28, 2019
Joebie:
If Rohr can take us to the final of the AFCON I will have not complaints. He doesn’t even have to match Keshi’s achievements. But I doubt he will. Make una come for my head. It happened during the WC. I no run.

I partly agree with you.

I am so worries about our performances against top teams. Even average trams lime Czech republic and Serbia knack us. Its .maddening . Even our play against these teams were very sloppy. England just walloped Czech 5:0. Iean, even of we don't beat them by that margin, let us at leat show excellence
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 6:50pm On Mar 28, 2019
tbaba1234:


Egypt game was a friendly. Seychelles was the competitive match.

Ekong played all through the qualifiers for both WC and AFCON and hardly had a poor game. He has also been pretty good for Udinese. Yes he made costly errors in the Croatian game but i am talking overall consistency.


So you think Seychelles is more attractive than Egypt. Omerou has been better than Ekong for club and country and that's a fact.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by terzurum5(m): 6:52pm On Mar 28, 2019
Top: Taribo West, Mutiu Adepoju, Ike Shorunmu, Joseph Yobo, Isaac Okoronkwo & Kanu Nwankwo.

Low: Austin Jay Jay Okocha, Bathelomew Ogbeche, Celestine Babayaro, Garba Lawal & Julius Aghahowa??

cc: Sir Icon4s, tbaba1234, forgiveness, ........

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 6:56pm On Mar 28, 2019
BascoVanVeli:



So you think Seychelles is more attractive than Egypt. Omerou has been better than Ekong for club and country and that's a fact.

Facts, how?? How many games has Omeruo played for country in the last 1 year?

In the last year, Ekong for country has been our best defender. Played more games, had more impact. For club, both players are having good seasons for their clubs.

You can say, you believe Omeruo is better. That is another debate.

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