Dear Justcool,

I've been reading the Grail message for a while and it has helped me a lot. However, I have a question to which I have not received a satisfactory answer. The question is about the lecture MAN AND HIS FREE WILL. There it says that when the spirit germs entered into the world of matter, the moment the spirit germs first descended into the very outskirts of the world of matter. Here the spirit germs makes use of there free will for the first time, by deciding to taste in this or that vibration that they encounter in the world of matter. The spirit germs that decide to follow, taste, or indulge in noble vibrations, their latent qualities will be aroused, stirred up, strengthened, and cultivated till they bear good fruit. However, the spirit germs that decide to follow ignoble vibrations will, in due course, be so influenced that the nature of these ignoble vibrations will cling to them, envelop their pure qualities, suffocating and preventing their pure qualities from awakening and developing.

Then question then arises,
(1)Why would a loving God send the spirit germs into a world (the world of matter) where there are already ignoble, impure or evil vibrations.

It is stated in the same chapter that at this point the spirit germs posses only pure and noble qualities, therefore the ignoble vibrations could not have come from them. Also, Lucifer is out of question, because I assure that at this point Lucifer has not been sent or even failed.
(2) So where do these ignoble vibrations came from? From God? Are the Christians/the bible right then when they/it says that God is the author of both good and evil?
(3) You once in another thread explained that evil has its origin on from man(spirit germs). How does this harmonize with the Lecture in question which says that evil or ignoble vibrations already exit in subsequent creation when the spirit germs entered it.
(4) It is explained somewhere else that God does not temp or set traps for man. Isn't sending them in a world where evil already exist and they can choose it same as tempting or setting traps for them?
And the loudest and most nagging question,
(5) Why must these ignoble or evil vibrations exist or be created in the first place?

Thanks in advance for your response.

@ newness101

Thanks for your worthy questions.

You are absolutely right that a loving God would not send spirit germs(fresh spirit germs from Paradise) into a world where evil already exists; hence evil did not exist, even in the material world, before mankind descended into it. The word used in the description in the Grail message is "ignoble vibrations," not evil vibrations. I know the word "ignoble" is related to "evil" and, in some cases, the two words can be used interchangeably as synonyms. But here, one has to let go of rigidity and follow the lecture intuitively. Here we must let go of rigid definition of words, in order to proceed farther. Words can only take us so far, i.e. to the proximity of the Truth; but in order to grasp the Truth we must proceed with our intuitive perception. Here "ignoble" is totally different from "evil." In order to convey my perception on what is meant by "ignoble vibrations" I will paint a picture(analogy) for you.


Imagine a child sent to school for the first time. Once he enters the school compound, even at the outskirts of the school, he is confronted by emanations from the activities that go on in the school. He can see gardeners working in the gardens in the school; he can see or hear students going to classes, in fact the buildings and classes are marked so that he would not miss his way if he so wishes. As he walks around, he might perceive the smell of food oozing from the canteen or refectory. He can see and hear construction workers maintaining the buildings; as he looks further, he sees the cleaners cleaning the premises. He see the school police department or security directing cars and keeping the premises safe and peaceful. He can even hear cars roaring as the pull in and out of the school parking lots. All these numerous activities going on in the school emanate or sends ripples, be they noise, smell, etc. through which one can perceive them. The new student confronted by all these activities now has to decide. He can decide to follow the signboard welcoming new students and directing them to the class to go. He can also decide to follow the sweet aroma of the food and his will lead him to the canteen or refectory where he will only while away his precious time. He may get fascinated by the campus police and follow them around all day. He may even work of the construction workers interesting and get lost in watching them, or the he may like the smell of the cleaning solution that the cleaners use and hence hang around the cleaners all day.

If this new student follows any of these activities, apart from going to class, we can describe him as having followed ignoble activity. Ignoble, in the sense that that activity offers him no benefit as a student, and not that the activity is evil! Hence the Grail message(the English translation) uses the word "ignoble." Ignorable in the sense that it is not a noble or even honorable venture for the spirit, because it offers the spirit no benefit; and not that the vibrations/activities are evil. Neither are they traps or sneers for the spirit germs. God tempts no one! You wouldn't accuse the school authority of setting sneers for the new students just because in addition to schooling there are other activities in the school as well. These activities are necessary to keep the school functioning, they do not interfere with the students activities; however, the student must only follow the activities that he came to school for. Indeed the student should be grateful for these other activities that help keep his school alive and functioning.

In the above analogy, the new student going to school for the first time are the spirit germs entering the world of matter for the first. At this point everything in the world of matter is pure, just as the school described above, and evil is totally out of the question. The world of matter can be likened to a gigantic school where the elementals(Pure servants of God) develop, keep order, and above all keep in motion. Hence even before the first spirit germs entered the world of matter, there were already numerous activity going on in it. Just as the gardeners work on the school garden; the handymen work on the school buildings, the chefs on the school kitchen, etc., the elementals work in the world of matter, some work in the air, some or solids, molding planets, mountains, rocks, etc. Some work in liquids, forming and guiding lakes, rivers, etc. Others work in radiations, lightening up stars, suns, etc. and guiding their radiations. And after these came another species of animistic beings, the germs of the animals we see on earth. These had to wear material bodies, the physical as the outermost while they live on earth. All these activities sends ripples across the world of matter; just as the activities in the aforementioned school or our physical activities sends out ripples though smell, sound, etc. These are the vibrations talked about in the lecture MAN AND HIS FREE WILL.

If you read that lecture carefully you will also notice in the worlds of matter we do not only receive vibrations from activities therein, but also from above. The activities of the matured spirits in Paradise, far above the world of matter, also sends ripples down into the world of matter. Like the surest hand of guidance, these ripples/emanations/radiations are like rivers of guidance that can guide any spirit germ that opens itself to them or decides to follow them. And following these spiritual currents of ripples should be the most natural thing for the spirit germs because the spirits germs bears homogeneity to these currents, i.e. they(the spirit germs) originate from Paradise, from whence these ripples emanate. The spirit germ that follows these heavenly vibrations will soon be so affected that her/his inner qualities(which are pure) will be so strengthened into activity and the reciprocal reaction of these activities will mature the spirit. A spirit that proceeds this way is sure of salvation, she/he will one day resurrect from matter back to Paradise. On the other hand, the spirit germ that follows ignoble vibration/ripples or radiations will not receive the strengthening of her/his inherent spiritual qualities due to lack of homogeneity. These are called ignoble vibrations because they originate from bellow Paradise, form the world of matter; and only that which comes from the spiritual world can nourish or strengthen the inherent pure spiritual qualities of the spirit germs. Hence these ignoble vibrations can only hand on the covering of the spirit germs, preventing their inherent pure spiritual qualities from developing and bearing good fruit, i.e. coming into activity.

In the above explanation, in the fact that vibrations, ripples, or spiritual currents coming from Paradise also enters the world of matter, we see the great and indescribable Love and wisdom of the creator! Love for the spirits germs which only need to follow these spiritual currents (currents to which the already have affinity to because they are spirits as well), to reach their goal. Indeed the human spirit that allows himself or herself to go astray is quite deplorable, because the love of God clearly shows us the way. The student described above, imagine if his father is so loving that every second, every minute, every hour, he could hear his father reminding him his mission at school. Or imagine his father calls or writes to him everyday reminding him of his mission in school. What would you call such a student if after everything he goes astray? The spiritual vibrations from Paradise are like calls or letters the student receives from home everyday, loving providing his needs and pointing him towards the right direction. In deed God is not silent. The Love of God is the most obvious thing there is.


Although the above paragraphs have answered your questions, I will deal with them directly:

newness101:

Why would a loving God send the spirit germs into a world (the world of matter) where there are already ignoble, impure or evil vibrations.

It is stated in the same chapter that at this point the spirit germs posses only pure and noble qualities, therefore the ignoble vibrations could not have come from them. Also, Lucifer is out of question, because I assure that at this point Lucifer has not been sent or even failed.

The so called ignoble vibrations are simply vibrations arising from activities in the world of matter, lower vibrations, as opposed the higher vibrations arising from activities in the spiritual sphere. You can substitute the word "ignoble" with "low," "lower," or "non spiritual vibrations." Evil is out of the question here, as well as Lucifer.

newness101:

You once in another thread explained that evil has its origin on from man(spirit germs). How does this harmonize with the Lecture in question which says that evil or ignoble vibrations already exit in subsequent creation when the spirit germs entered it.

Yes this perfectly harmonizes with the truth that evil originated from mankind. As I already explained the so called 'ignoble' vibrations are not evil. The concept of evil is entirely different. Evil is from the onset an intention to harm another, just for the sake of it or for self gain. Only mankind indulges in such practices. Even animals did not sink to that level.

newness101:

It is explained somewhere else that God does not temp or set traps for man. Isn't sending them in a world where evil already exist and they can choose it same as tempting or setting traps for them?

Temptation and setting of sneers are out of the question here. God tempts no one! The wrong principle of temptation is the brain child of Lucifer. And it is opposed to God's principle of Love, which supports, waits hand and foot for all to mature.

newness101:

Why must these ignoble or evil vibrations exist or be created in the first place?

Creation does not revolve around the human spirit as it is often taught in churches. Man is only one of many creatures in existence, and not perchance more important than other creatures. The spiritual is only one of the many species in creation. Spiritual activities sends out spiritual ripples, currents or vibrations. These are the vibrations that the spirit germs should follow, vibrations to which they already have natural inclination to. Animistic beings in their activities also send off ripples, currents or vibrations, to which animistic germs naturally follow. Since the animistic stands lower than the spiritual in creation, spiritual vibrations are higher than animistic vibrations. It is unnatural for spirits to follow animistic vibrations; such a spirit germ that out of curiosity follows such vibrations initially is not evil, neither is he following an evil vibration. She/he is only following a wrong road. Here the concept of evil and wrong has to be understood. Understanding this concept will unlock many doors of knowledge to you and hand you many keys to many puzzles.

For the sake of clarity, lets examine some of such ignoble vibrations. The desire for physical intimacy, for example! Animals who were on earth before man obey this desire, which is a necessity of the physical body. Copulation goes before procreation, and this is only a natural law, which swings in purity. Even this act of copulation sends ripples or vibrations all the way to the ethereal realm because animals participating in it wear ethereal bodies as well as physical. Hence some spirit germs, even before entering the physical world already started nipping on this 'ignoble' vibration. The desire to fully enjoy this indeed sweet vibration can only draw the spirit germs closer to the earth and finally she/he wears a physical body which will soon give her/him the gift of generative power which will allow him to fully enjoy this vibration. However, even though this spirit has finally arrived on earth, it came in through the wrong road! It will only incarnate among others who are lustful or if there are no such humans on earth already, she/he will be the door through which other such lustful souls will incarnate. And naturally they will give rise to a lustful society or culture on earth. The desire for maturity or to fully set aglow the inherent pure qualities in the spirit germ should be his motive towards incarnation; in biblical words, the desire to multiply and replenish the earth. IE to multiply, strengthen, or fully set aglow her/his spiritual qualities which only the earth and physical body though its generative power can give the spirit germ should be spirit germ's motive to incarnate on earth and form the bases for his incarnation on earth. Such a spirit travels the right road, the road that the spiritual vibrations from above inclines it to. Such a spirit will incarnate in a environment or among people of homogenous spiritual nobility. If there are no such people on earth already, such a person will be the door through which other noble spirits will incarnate. And soon a nature of noble culture will arise among them. Her/his life of earth will not only mature or strengthen his spiritual qualities further, it will also bless the earth, for such only such people can make the earth a reflection or Paradise, i.e. replenish or ennoble the earth. Hence the disparity we see among nations on earth, even at the earliest beginnings of mankind on earth has a strong spiritual reason. However, it must not be thought that man must not never copulate. Quite naturally, when he wears a physical body, this desire must soon as from the physical body when it reaches maturity, i.e. generative power sets in. But with the onset of this power which enables the spirit to radiate most powerfully in the world of matter, the strong component of all that is pure and spiritual is also powerfully felt: Love! This love becomes the motivating factor in all that the individual does; even copulation. And it is this love that makes this copulation, which ordinarily is a desire of the physical, also beneficial to the spirit.

And so it is with all our gross material activities. Eating, drinking, etc. The joy we drive from these activities, are like vibrations which reaches up to the ethereal realm, remember we were ethereal bodies along with the physical body while one earth. Disembodied souls can nip on these vibrations. These vibrations were around even when the first spirit germs entered the world of matter, because animals on earth were already indulging in such activities(eating, drinking, copulating, etc) and the vibrations resulting from can be felt even in the ethereal realm. Some spirit germs even before reaching the earth for the first started nipping on this low, ignoble or wrong vibrations till they become addicts and this addiction becomes bases for their incarnation.

Lets look at another low vibration which mankind has enthroned: Aggression! This is a vibration that is purely animistic. It is one of the lowest branches off the law of motion. The animistic uses aggression to ensure motion. Hence it in the animistic, aggression swings in purity. In the ring of animistic substantiality we have beings that radiate aggression to the lower realms. Hence on earth we have animals, like lions, for example, that swing in this ray of aggression. With this they keep other animals in motion and thus healthy. Ever noticed that the animals Lions directly prey on are often the healthiest? They need to be healthy to survive; once they become unhealthy, they fall victim to the lion. However aggression is very alien to the spirit because it is not spiritual radiation. The spirit originates in a plane where everything is inherently alive and in motion, and voluntarily keeps in motion without needing any outside impetuous. It is unfortunate that today man is as aggressive as the animal; but in man aggression can never swing in purity. Whenever man is angry is always either out of fear, envy, jealousy, or selfishness. Hence men who are easily angered, who often resort to aggressive measure, such as wars and fights, are still very spiritually underdeveloped. Human society should be predominantly peaceful; anger offers the spirit nothing for its development. Aggression is not one of the inherent qualities that the spirit germs poses. But unfortunately, some spirit germs, even before they reached the earth, they already have a predisposition towards aggression. Hence when incarnated they attracted other such souls and formed a warlike nation, culture, or become a warlike people.

There are so many qualities that are animistic or belong to the lower rung of creation which mankind has unnaturally sank to. Things like submission, which lies perfectly in the animistic, which unfortunately many teach today as a spiritual quality worthy of emulation. However the idea of submission does not apply to human spirits who have free will and who should only always follow their will. Only what a man does from his free will brings him benefit; what she/he achieved by submitting to an alien will brings her/him no benefit! By learning to submit, mankind naturally made themselves slaves. Some people become willing slaves after many years of being abused coerced into submission. Think of things like Stockholm's syndrome! Submission can bring an animal benefit, because it has no free will; it doesn't carry the Spirit, the will of God within its soul like humans do; however in humans submission is a violation of the gift of free will. The human spirit carries a part of the holly will of God as its intuition or will. Hence a spirit germ, that forsakes his own will or his conscience and submits to an alien will, is as good burying that which makes it spiritual. Thus even before reaching the earth for the first time, some spirit germs have neglected their will so much that they are almost as good as not having any. Such submissive ones will accumulate and form a tribe of slaves on earth. They will easily be made slaves on earth because they will easily follow and alien will.

I can go on and on but I believe I've said enough to give the idea.

Thanks and remain blessed

justcool:
@ newness101

Thanks for your worthy questions.

You are absolutely right that a loving God would not send spirit germs(fresh spirit germs from Paradise) into a world where evil already exists; hence evil did not exist, even in the material world, before mankind descended into it. The word used in the description in the Grail message is "ignoble vibrations," not evil vibrations. I know the word "ignoble" is related to "evil" and can even, in some cases, the two words used interchangeably as synonyms. But here, one has to let go of rigidity and follow the lecture intuitively. Here we must let go of rigid definition of words, in order to proceed farther. Words can only take us so far, i.e. to the proximity of the Truth; but in order to grasp the Truth we must proceed with our intuitive perception. Here "ignoble" is totally different from "evil." In order to convey my perception on what is meant by "ignoble vibrations" I will paint a picture(analogy) to you.


Imagine a child sent to school for the first time. Once he enters the school compound, even at the outskirts of the school, he is confronted by emanations from the activities that go on in the school. He can see gardeners working in the gardens in the school; he can see or hear students going to classes, in fact the buildings and classes are marked so that he would not miss his way if he so wishes. As he walks around, he might perceive the smell of food oozing from the canteen or refectory. He can see and hear construction workers maintaining the buildings; as he looks further, he sees the cleaners cleaning the premises. He see the school police department or security directing cars and keeping the premises safe and peaceful. He can even hear cars roaring as the pull in and out of the school parking lots. All these numerous activities going on in the school emanate or sends ripples, be they noise, smell, etc. through which one can perceive them. The new student confronted by all these activities now has to decide. He can decide to follow the signboard welcoming new students and directing them to the class to go. He can also decide to follow the sweet aroma of the food and his will lead him to the canteen or refectory where he will only while away his precious time. He may get fascinated by the campus police and follow them around all day. He may even work of the construction workers interesting and get lost in watching them, or the he may like the smell of the cleaning solution that the cleaners use and hence hang around the cleaners all day.

If this new student follows any of these activities, apart from going to class, we can describe him as having followed ignoble activity. Ignoble, in the sense that that activity offers him no benefit as a student, and not that the activity is evil! Hence the Grail message(the English translation) uses the word "ignoble." Ignorable in the sense that it is not a noble or even honorable venture for the spirit, because it offers the spirit no benefit; and not that the vibrations/activities are evil. Neither are they traps or sneers for the spirit germs. God tempts no one! You wouldn't accuse the school authority of setting sneers for the new students just because in addition to schooling there are other activities in the school as well. These activities are necessary to keep the school functioning, they do not interfere with the students activities; however, the student must only follow the activities that he came to school for. Indeed the student should be grateful for these other activities that help keep his school alive and functioning.

In the above analogy, the new student going to school for the first time are the spirit germs entering the world of matter for the first. At this point everything in the world of matter is pure, just as the school described above, and evil is totally out of the question. The world of matter can be likened to a gigantic school where the elementals(Pure servants of God) develop, keep order, and above all keep in motion. Hence even before the first spirit germs entered the world of matter, there were already numerous activity going on in it. Just as the gardeners work on the school garden; the handymen work on the school buildings, the chefs on the school kitchen, etc., the elementals work in the world of matter, some work in the air, some or solids, molding planets, mountains, rocks, etc. Some work in liquids, forming and guiding lakes, rivers, etc. Others work in radiations, lightening up stars, suns, etc. and guiding their radiations. And after these came another species of animistic beings, the germs of the animals we see on earth. These had to wear material bodies, the physical as the outermost while they live on earth. All these activities sends ripples across the world of matter; just as the activities in the aforementioned school or our physical activities sends out ripples though smell, sound, etc. These are the vibrations talked about in the lecture MAN AND HIS FREE WILL.

If you read that lecture carefully you will also notice in the worlds of matter we do not only receive vibrations from activities therein, but also from above. The activities of the matured spirits in Paradise, far above the world of matter, also sends ripples down into the world of matter. Like the surest hand of guidance, these ripples/emanations/radiations are like rivers of guidance that can guide any spirit germ that opens itself to them or decides to follow them. And following these spiritual currents of ripples should be the most natural thing for the spirit germs because the spirits germs bears homogeneity to these currents, i.e. they(the spirit germs) originate from Paradise, from whence these ripples emanate. The spirit germ that follows these heavenly vibrations will soon be so affected that her/his inner qualities(which are pure) will be so strengthened into activity and the reciprocal reaction of these activities will mature the spirit. A spirit that proceeds this way is sure of salvation, she/he will one day resurrect from matter back to Paradise. On the other hand, the spirit germ that follows ignoble vibration/ripples or radiations will not receive the strengthening of her/his inherent spiritual qualities due to lack of homogeneity. These are called ignoble vibrations because they originate from bellow Paradise, form the world of matter; and only that which comes from the spiritual world can nourish or strengthen the inherent pure spiritual qualities of the spirit germs. Hence these ignoble vibrations can only hand on the covering of the spirit germs, preventing their inherent pure spiritual qualities from developing and bearing good fruit, i.e. coming into activity.

In the above explanation, in the fact that vibrations, ripples, or spiritual currents coming from Paradise also enters the world of matter, we see the great and indescribable Love and wisdom of the creator! Love for the spirits germs which only need to follow these spiritual currents (currents to which the already have affinity to because they are spirits as well), to reach their goal. Indeed the human spirit that allows himself or herself to go astray is quite deplorable, because the love of God clearly shows us the way. The student described above, imagine if his father is so loving that every second, every minute, every hour, he could hear his father reminding him his mission at school. Or imagine his father calls or writes to him everyday reminding him of his mission in school. What would you call such a student if after everything he goes astray? The spiritual vibrations from Paradise are like calls or letters the student receives from home everyday, loving providing his needs and pointing him towards the right direction. In deed God is not silent. The Love of God is the most obvious thing there is.


Although the above paragraphs have answered your questions, I will deal with them directly:



The so called ignoble vibrations are simply vibrations arising from activities in the world of matter, lower vibrations, as opposed the higher vibrations arising from activities in the spiritual sphere. You can substitute the word "ignoble" with "low," "lower," or "non spiritual vibrations." Evil is out of the question here, as well as Lucifer.



Yes this perfectly harmonizes with the truth that evil originated from mankind. As I already explained the so called 'ignoble' vibrations are not evil. The concept of evil is entirely different. Evil is from the onset an intention to harm another, just for the sake of it or for self gain. Only mankind indulges in such practices. Even animals did not sink to that level.



Temptation and setting of sneers are out of the question here. God tempts no one! The wrong principle of temptation is the brain child of Lucifer. And it is opposed to God's principle of Love, which supports, waits hand and foot for all to mature.




Creation does not revolve around the human spirit as it is often taught in churches. Man is only one of many creatures in existence, and not perchance more important than other creatures. The spiritual is only one of the many species in creation. Spiritual activities sends out spiritual ripples, currents or vibrations. These are the vibrations that the spirit germs should follow, vibrations to which they already have natural inclination to. Animistic beings in their activities also send off ripples, currents or vibrations, to which animistic germs naturally follow. Since the animistic stands lower than the spiritual in creation, spiritual vibrations are higher than animistic vibrations. It is unnatural for spirits to follow animistic vibrations; such a spirit germ that out of curiosity follows such vibrations initially is not evil, neither is he following an evil vibration. She/he is only following a wrong road. Here the concept of evil and wrong has to be understood. Understanding this concept will unlock many doors of knowledge to you and hand you many keys to many puzzles.

For the sake of clarity, lets examine some of such ignoble vibrations. The desire for physical intimacy, for example! Animals who were on earth before man obey this desire, which is a necessity of the physical body. Copulation goes before procreation, and this is only a natural law, which swings in purity. Even this act of copulation sends ripples or vibrations all the way to the ethereal realm because animals participating in it wear ethereal bodies as well as physical. Hence some spirit germs, even before entering the physical world already started nipping on this 'ignoble' vibration. The desire to fully enjoy this indeed sweet vibration can only draw the spirit germs closer to the earth and finally she/he wears a physical body which will soon give her/him the gift of generative power which will allow him to fully enjoy this vibration. However, even though this spirit has finally arrived on earth, it came in through the wrong road! It will only incarnate among others who are lustful or if there are no such humans on earth already, she/he will be the door through which other such lustful souls will incarnate. And naturally they will give rise to a lustful society or culture on earth. The desire for maturity or to fully set aglow the inherent pure qualities in the spirit germ should be his motive towards incarnation; in biblical words, the desire to multiply and replenish the earth. IE to multiply, strengthen, or fully set aglow her/his spiritual qualities which only the earth and physical body though its generative power can give the spirit germ should be spirit germ's motive to incarnate on earth and form the bases for his incarnation on earth. Such a spirit travels the right road, the road that the spiritual vibrations from above inclines it to. Such a spirit will incarnate in a environment or among people of homogenous spiritual nobility. If there are no such people on earth already, such a person will be the door through which other noble spirits will incarnate. And soon a nature of noble culture will arise among them. Her/his life of earth will not only mature or strengthen his spiritual qualities further, it will also bless the earth, for such only such people can make the earth a reflection or Paradise, i.e. replenish or ennoble the earth. Hence the disparity we see among nations on earth, even at the earliest beginnings of mankind on earth has a strong spiritual reason. However, it must not be thought that man must not never copulate. Quite naturally, when he wears a physical body, this desire must soon as from the physical body when it reaches maturity, i.e. generative power sets in. But with the onset of this power which enables the spirit to radiate most powerfully in the world of matter, the strong component of all that is pure and spiritual is also powerfully felt: Love! This love becomes the motivating factor in all that the individual does; even copulation. And it is this love that makes this copulation, which ordinarily is a desire of the physical, also beneficial to the spirit.

And so it is with all our gross material activities. Eating, drinking, etc. The joy we drive from these activities, are like vibrations which reaches up to the ethereal realm, remember we were ethereal bodies along with the physical body while one earth. Disembodied souls can nip on these vibrations. These vibrations were around even when the first spirit germs entered the world of matter, because animals on earth were already indulging in such activities(eating, drinking, copulating, etc) and the vibrations resulting from can be felt even in the ethereal realm. Some spirit germs even before reaching the earth for the first started nipping on this low, ignoble or wrong vibrations till they become addicts and this addiction becomes bases for their incarnation.

Lets look at another low vibration which mankind has enthroned: Aggression! This is a vibration that is purely animistic. It is one of the lowest branches off the law of motion. The animistic uses aggression to ensure motion. Hence it in the animistic, aggression swings in purity. In the ring of animistic substantiality we have beings that radiate aggression to the lower realms. Hence on earth we have animals, like lions, for example, that swing in this ray of aggression. With this they keep other animals in motion and thus healthy. Ever noticed that the animals Lions directly prey on are often the healthiest? They need to be healthy to survive; once they become unhealthy, they fall victim to the lion. However aggression is very alien to the spirit because it is not spiritual radiation. The spirit originates in a plane where everything is inherently alive and in motion, and voluntarily keeps in motion without needing any outside impetuous. It is unfortunate that today man is as aggressive as the animal; but in man aggression can never swing in purity. Whenever man is angry is always either out of fear, envy, jealousy, or selfishness. Hence men who are easily angered, who often resort to aggressive measure, such as wars and fights, are still very spiritually underdeveloped. Human society should be predominantly peaceful; anger offers the spirit nothing for its development. Aggression is not one of the inherent qualities that the spirit germs poses. But unfortunately, some spirit germs, even before they reached the earth, they already have a predisposition towards aggression. Hence when incarnated they attracted other such souls and formed a warlike nation, culture, or become a warlike people.

There are so many qualities that are animistic or belong to the lower rung of creation which mankind has unnaturally sank to. Things like submission, which lies perfectly in the animistic, which unfortunately many teach today as a spiritual quality worthy of emulation. However the idea of submission does not apply to human spirits who have free will and who should only always follow their will. Only what a man does from his free will brings him benefit; what she/he achieved by submitting to an alien will brings her/him no benefit! By learning to submit, mankind naturally made themselves slaves. Some people become willing slaves after many years of being abused coerced into submission. Think of things like Stockholm's syndrome! Submission can bring an animal benefit, because it has no free will; it doesn't carry the Spirit, the will of God within its soul like humans do; however in humans submission is a violation of the gift of free will. The human spirit carries a part of the holly will of God as its intuition or will. Hence a spirit germ, that forsakes his own will or his conscience and submits to an alien will, is as good burying that which makes it spiritual. Thus even before reaching the earth for the first time, some spirit germs have neglected their will so much that they are almost as good as not having any. Such submissive ones will accumulate and form a tribe of slaves on earth. They will easily be made slaves on earth because they will easily follow and alien will.

I can go on and on but I believe I've said enough to give the idea.

Thanks and remain blessed

Wow. I so like your response and explanations of terms here. But the post long o

Pls I need to know the connection between Grail Message and Eckanker. Are they related in any way? For I use to think they are somewhat the same.

But reading you hear, it appears they are not. You talk about God and Paradise , I think they don't.

I could be wrong tho.

Pls enlighten me.
Thanks a lot.

Shepherd00:

Wow. I so like your response and explanations of terms here. But the post long o

Pls I need to know the connection between Grail Message and Eckanker. Are they related in any way? For I use to think they are somewhat the same.

But reading you hear, it appears they are not. You talk about God and Paradise , I think they don't.

I could be wrong tho.

Pls enlighten me.
Thanks a lot.

Hi Shepherd00

Thanks for your questions. There is no connection between the Grail message and Ecankar or any other religion, cult, and movements. The writer of the Grail message drew His message straight from the highest source, from God the father. Naturally it will agree with the Truths in others religions and, at the same time, disagree with the falsehoods in them. It is neither a religion, movement, nor cult; it is simply brought to mankind. Anybody, regardless of her/his religion, nationality, race, etc. is welcome to examine the Grail message, provided that she/he is a serious seeker; the writer only demanded the reader/examiner must proceed with objectivity.

A lot of people have asked questions about the Grail message in this forum. Here is one of such treads:https://www.nairaland.com/147092/grail-message/9. Keep in mind that the answers you read on that thread or receive from adherents of the Grail are only their perception. If you are seriously seeking, then you might consider picking up the Grail message and hearing straight from the horse's mouth. I will enthusiastically treat any questions that you have after examining the message.

About Eckanker, I'm not allowed to talk. There are Eckists in this forum, and if you are interested in eckanker you should approach them with your questions.

Thanks and remain blessed.

justcool:


Hi Shepherd00

Thanks for your questions. There is no connection between the Grail message and Ecankar or any other religion, cult, and movements. The writer of the Grail message drew His message straight from the highest source, from God the father. Naturally it will agree with the Truths in others religions and, at the same time, disagree with the falsehoods in them. It is neither a religion, movement, nor cult; it is simply brought to mankind. Anybody, regardless of her/his religion, nationality, race, etc. is welcome to examine the Grail message, provided that she/he is a serious seeker; the writer only demanded the reader/examiner must proceed with objectivity.

A lot of people have asked questions about the Grail message in this forum. Here is one of such treads:https://www.nairaland.com/147092/grail-message/9. Keep in mind that the answers you read on that thread or receive from adherents of the Grail are only their perception. If you are seriously seeking, then you might consider picking up the Grail message and hearing straight from the horse's mouth. I will enthusiastically treat any questions that you have after examining the message.

About Eckanker, I'm not allowed to talk. There are Eckists in this forum, and if you are interested in eckanker you should approach them with your questions.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Thanks so much for taking time to reply me. very kind of you. But, I am a Christian who believe in Jesus Christ as God of the Heaven and earth.

I do not have interest in Eckanker or Grail Message to the point of being a seeker therein, but I like to read, so I read.

I am indeed a Seeker to know the divergences in all these Faiths or Religions, for they are religions whether we admit they are or not.

Before I chose Christianity, I was Seeking in New Age and other philosophies, but I ended up choosing Jesus, for He kept coming up directly or indirectly.

Nevertheless, I will read your link. Thanks.

Hello Justcool.
I have gone through the link you sent to me. Thank you.
Initially It seemed like you guys were opened to answer everyone's questions, especially those of the different adherents, but along the line when someone who seemed to really know about you guys and had in-depth questions to ask came up, all of you bailed on her. Why?

Why didn't you all respond to @Noteasy, instead called Myn44 to ban her?

Well, for me reading through that thread I came up with a ton of questions in tune with @Noteasy's, but I feel I'll also not get answers to them so I will them go.

But, pls, answer just this one question.
I read one of you say Oskar Ernst Bernhardt was a reincarnated Abdrushin. Meaning Oskar knew who he was in his former life, so knew what he was to do, hence picked his former name and continued his work.

He is dead right? Long-ago. Has he reincarnated yet? if yes, as who presently? Which part of the world is he living in right now? Does he know he was Abdrushin?


And you, who were you in your past life?

Thanks again.

@Shephard00

Shepherd00:
Hello Justcool.
I have gone through the link you sent to me. Thank you.
Initially It seemed like you guys were opened to answer everyone's questions, especially those of the different adherents, but along the line when someone who seemed to really know about you guys and had in-depth questions to ask came up, all of you bailed on her. Why?

Evidence, Please! First of all who are "you guys"? Please can you show me evidence where "someone who seemed to really know about you guys and in-depth questions to ask came up, all of you bailed her?"

My friend there is no need to resorting to false accusations. I answer questions about the Grail Message from serious seekers who genuinely wish to approach God and live according to God's will. I am not here to indulge in any type of religious fights.

Shepherd00:

Why didn't you all respond to @Noteasy, instead called Myn44 to ban her?

Show me just one instance where Noteasy or anybody asked a serious question about the Grail message and I bailed. The thread in question is still there, you can copy and paste. Show me where I called on Myn to ban Noteasy or anybody on nairaland? Again, why resort to lies?

Shepherd00:

Well, for me reading through that thread I came up with a ton of questions in tune with @Noteasy's, but I feel I'll also not get answers to them so I will them go.

If you think you can come here and start a religious battle or religious comparisons than you have another think coming. If you have serious questions about the Grail, I will offer you my perception. Otherwise, you're wasting your time. You will not drag me to the level of angry outbursts, false accusations and mockery. Here we are dealing with very serious issues, (What can be more serious than that concerning God); hence if you can't show any form of objectivity, please stay aloof.

Shepherd00:

But, pls, answer just this one question.
I read one of you say Oskar Ernst Bernhardt was a reincarnated Abdrushin. Meaning Oskar knew who he was in his former life, so knew what he was to do, hence picked his former name and continued his work.

He is dead right? Long-ago. Has he reincarnated yet? if yes, as who presently? Which part of the world is he living in right now? Does he know he was Abdrushin?

How do any of the above help you understand life and God better? How do they help you approach God better? Or How do they help your spiritual life? Abdrushin brought the Grail message, which clearly points out the will of God and the way to Paradise, our true home. It is not a book of mysticism about who any individual is or was in various earth lives. When a postman delivers you a mail, you don't start him who he was yesterday and what he did yesterday, even before examining the mail. Like a mailman, Abdrushin brought His message from God to mankind, those that are genuine seekers seek the message. They don't start by asking who the mailman was in his past life. The Grail message is not a personality cult around Abdrushin.

Don't be like the Pharisees who, rather than seriously examining Jesus's message, were asking: "Weren't you a carpenter?" or "Are you not the son of a carpenter?"

Also, Genuine adherents of the Grail message don't go about begging or preaching to people to accept the Grail message, such would be casting peals before swine. Rather it is people that come after us seeking. And we answer when we feel the seeker is genuine.

You said you are Christian, then if your religion fully satisfies your desire for God; then stay with it and leave the Grail message alone.

Shepherd00:

And you, who were you in your past life?

Again, I'm neither a mystic nor do I practice occultism. The Grail message warns against such. I'm simply a man who strives to live according to the Grail message, which is the original message Jesus Christ, the son of God once brought to mankind. I'm simply a servant of God; I don't go digging into my past life because such is mysticism and does not fascinate me, my only fascination is to stand presently in the will of GOD.

Shepherd00:

Thanks again.

Thank you too.

@ Justcool

I cannot thank you enough for your wonderful explanations which completely answered my questions. I opened this thread to ask many questions, but with one reply you answered even those that I haven't asked. I will take time and digest all that you wrote, before I proceed with more questions.

Once again, thanks a lot.

@shepard00

Shepherd00:
Hello Justcool.
I have gone through the link you sent to me. Thank you.
Initially It seemed like you guys were opened to answer everyone's questions, especially those of the different adherents, but along the line when someone who seemed to really know about you guys and had in-depth questions to ask came up, all of you bailed on her. Why?

Why didn't you all respond to @Noteasy, instead called Myn44 to ban her?

Well, for me reading through that thread I came up with a ton of questions in tune with @Noteasy's, but I feel I'll also not get answers to them so I will them go.

But, pls, answer just this one question.
I read one of you say Oskar Ernst Bernhardt was a reincarnated Abdrushin. Meaning Oskar knew who he was in his former life, so knew what he was to do, hence picked his former name and continued his work.

He is dead right? Long-ago. Has he reincarnated yet? if yes, as who presently? Which part of the world is he living in right now? Does he know he was Abdrushin?


And you, who were you in your past life?

Thanks again.

@ Shepard00

Im a seeker who has found the Grail message worthy to live by and I oppened this thread to humbly ask the ever-ready-to-help justcool to help me with some clearification about the Grailmessage. Please dont derail this thread. This is not a tread for people to come and fight and insult. This tread is about the Grailmessage so if your questions are not about the Grail message please stay away. Can we have a peaceful tread for once please.


You asked about the Grailmessage and Eckanker, justcool answered about the Grail message and refferd you to Ectenker people for infor about Eckanker, as well as other threads about the Grail message. You came back with accusations in defence of Noteasy. Ive read that thread many times. Noteasy asked questions about the Grail message to wich justcool clearly answered. Then she hijacked the thread by posting bible verses upon bible versers and started aguements about the bible. Do you expect justcool to start dealing with his biblical posts when the tread is clearly about the Grial message??

There are people so mature that you cant drag them to that level. I know this about justcool and m_nwankwo, and I respect that.

Please, once again don't derail this thread, This is about the Grail message.

justcool:


Genuine adherents of the Grail message don't go about begging or preaching to people to accept the Grail message, such would be casting peals before swine. Rather it is people that come after us seeking. And we answer when we feel the seeker is genuine.

This is so true about justcool and m_nwankwo. If you not serious they will simple ignor you. LOL

newness101:
@shepard00



@ Shepard00

Im a seeker who has found the Grail message worthy to live by and I oppened this thread to humbly ask the ever-ready-to-help justcool to help me with some clearification about the Grailmessage. Please dont derail this thread. This is not a tread for people to come and fight and insult. This tread is about the Grailmessage so if your questions are not about the Grail message please stay away. Can we have a peaceful tread for once please.


You asked about the Grailmessage and Eckanker, justcool answered about the Grail message and refferd you to Ectenker people for infor about Eckanker, as well as other threads about the Grail message. You came back with accusations in defence of Noteasy. Ive read that thread many times. Noteasy asked questions about the Grail message to wich justcool clearly answered. Then she hijacked the thread by posting bible verses upon bible versers and started aguements about the bible. Do you expect justcool to start dealing with his biblical posts when the tread is clearly about the Grial message??

There are people so mature that you cant drag them to that level. I know this about justcool and m_nwankwo, and I respect that.

Please, once again don't derail this thread, This is about the Grail message.




This is so true about justcool and m_nwankwo. If you not serious they will simple ignor you. LOL

What? Accusation? I accuse him of what?

And are you sure you read that thread? because Noteasy was not responded to.

Well, am not here to fight or anything. I only asked one question which I expected you or Justcool to answer but instead you evaded it and attacked me instead.

It's all about Grail Message that you want people to know about, so why not be patient and explain what is not clear to people? Must I became an adherent before I know what G.M is about?

In that thread, i observed that only people who praised G.M had their questions answered.

Pls answer me this and you won't hear one word from me again.

Has Abdrushin reincarnated? To what or whom? Where in the world is he now?
Pls answer this and I'm gone.

justcool:

Evidence, Please! First of all who are "you guys"? Please can you show me evidence where "someone who seemed to really know about you guys and in-depth questions to ask came up, all of you bailed her?"

'You guys' meant you and your Cross bearers lot. those who were answering questions in that thread.

By evidence you mean I shd copy and paste the questions Noteasy posted to you guys?

justcool:

My friend there is no need to resorting to false accusations. I answer questions about the Grail Message from serious seekers who genuinely wish to approach God and live according to God's will. I am not here to indulge in any type of religious fights

I am not fighting you o. I only asked why you didn't answer Noteasy's questions. You see, i see in the manner you calmly respond to questions that you are indeed a cool person, you shd have coolly answered her. No matter how fierce fire is, it's water that puts it out, but you didn't.

justcool:

Show me just one instance where Noteasy or anybody asked a serious question about the Grail message and I bailed. The thread in question is still there, you can copy and paste. Show me where I called on Myn to ban Noteasy or anybody on nairaland? Again, why resort to lies?

Justcool nah. did you respond to one single post Noteasy made in that thread?

Lolzz. So it was a coincidence that myn44 showed up, warned Noteasy to stop posting in the thread then puff, she disappeared? I may have reported her. lol.

justcool:

If you think you can come here and start a religious battle or religious comparisons than you have another think coming. If you have serious questions about the Grail, I will offer you my perception. Otherwise, you're wasting your time. You will not drag me to the level of angry outbursts, false accusations and mockery. Here we are dealing with very serious issues, (What can be more serious than that concerning God); hence if you can't show any form of objectivity, please stay aloof.

Ha. Na only question I ask o. Why this out bust nah? I used to perceive you as a very calm and in control person. Why this nah?

This is a public domain and whatever you post here shd not be for only those who believe in what you believe, or who are Seekers, but for those who are not. You sound smart in for that reason I expected that you'd know this. If a question is asked, and you have answers answer with decorum if not pass, instead of starting a fight but make it seem like the enquirer is the enemy.

justcool:

How do any of the above help you understand life and God better? How do they help you approach God better? Or How do they help your spiritual life? Abdrushin brought the Grail message, which clearly points out the will of God and the way to Paradise, our true home. It is not a book of mysticism about who any individual is or was in various earth lives. When a postman delivers you a mail, you don't start him who he was yesterday and what he did yesterday, even before examining the mail. Like a mailman, Abdrushin brought His message from God to mankind, those that are genuine seekers seek the message. They don't start by asking who the mailman was in his past life. The Grail message is not a personality cult around Abdrushin.

This is another thing you guys evade from answering. You wouldn't talk about Abdrushin. Why?
Everyone who started a religion had an history behind them and their message reflects who they were or are.

Their message must be seen in their lives first because he cannot bring a message to others and fail to exhibit what he brought.

It will not be right to only talk about a message leaving out the messenger. For instance, Moses who brought the law of Jehovah to the Islraelites asked to know about Jehovah when He accosted him at the burning bush. 'Who are You?' was Moses question. Did God say to him, just go and say the Israelites to take the message and not bother with the messenger? No. God introduced Himself to Moses.

Moses brought the law, his credentials are here for a to see. And if what he wrote did not affect or portray his personal life then there's something there.

Jesus of Nazareth who you guys are fun of quoting, introduced Himself and lived his message.

Muhammad of Arabia brought Islam, his story is here and he lived his message. If you engaged a learned muslim, you get answers to your questions.

What about Charles Tass Russel of The Watch Tower?
Or Joseph Smith of the LDS?
Why shd Oscar's case be different?

Abdrushin preached REINCARNATION, he said he who Oscar at the time, knew that he was Abdrushin in his former life and he knew his work on earth, he went about doing it. He died, he ought to reincarnate again abi?

My question is, has he? As What or who this time? where is he?
It will be wrong to point me away from this sir. This is very important to those who want to be Seekers.
If I was a German in my last life, but I am now a black African, and I'm dead, I must be someone else nah.

Okay, you here, Who were you in your former life?

justcool:

Don't be like the Pharisees who, rather than seriously examining Jesus's message, were asking: "Weren't you a carpenter?" or "Are you not the son of a carpenter?"

Oh Lawd!!!!. Pls nah, don't be like this. This is not the same case pls. The Pharisees asked that with spite, but I only asked becos I don't really know. Pls clarify me. Who were you in your past life?

justcool:

Also, Genuine adherents of the Grail message don't go about begging or preaching to people to accept the Grail message, such would be casting peals before swine. Rather it is people that come after us seeking. And we answer when we feel the seeker is genuine.

Here is another thing. You bring your Message to a Public forum, yet you want only the genuine adherents to be part of. So your thread is only for Seekers? Lol. You are here looking for converts yet you pretend. When you met me, didn't you act like you had met a new convert? You quickly sent me a link hoping you jump on board. lol.

And, @Justcool, pls stop quoting the Bible. Someone asked you if you believe in the Bible, you said No. that your Message comes directly from God. Quote your Grail.

justcool:

You said you are Christian, then if your religion fully satisfies your desire for God; then stay with it and leave the Grail message alone.

What have I done here that suggest I'm doing something against the Grail Message?
Seriously, this is surprising.
WTH? Was I wrong to ask a simple question? So, if an unbeliever in Jesus asks me about the immaculate Conception of Jesus, instead of answering him, I shd attack and push him off, telling him to go enjoy is unbelief? Na wao.

justcool:

Again, I'm neither a mystic nor do I practice occultism. The Grail message warns against such. I'm simply a man who strives to live according to the Grail message, which is the original message Jesus Christ, the son of God once brought to mankind. I'.

Where is this coming from pls? I never said you were an occult nah.
Oh, the Grail Message is the Original Message of Jesus Christ?
Now you are making me ask questions I didn't want to ask before.
So, do you believe that He died to save you from Sin?
Do you believe in salvation through Jesus' finished works on the Cross, and not by your good deeds?

Are you expecting His return to resurrect His saints to take them with Him to Heaven.

Did Jesus reincarnate? to who or what? Is He a reincarnated soul today somewhere in the world?

How can you preach Jesus and preach reincarnation at the same time?

You mentioned Paradise, do you know that according to Jesus Paradise is not Heaven but a place were souls are kept to await resurrection?

justcool:


i'm simply a servant of God; I don't go digging into my past life because such is mysticism and does not fascinate me, my only fascination is to stand presently in the will of GOD

Do you realize you just called your Master Abdrushin a mystic? He was Oskar Ernst Bernhardt from Germany. He went digging into his past life and came up with his past life as Abdrushin from Tibet. You believed him.

You believe in the reincarnation which he taught. you believe in the Massage he brought, yet you can not tell who you were in your past life because that will be going into occultism or mysticism.


By your attestation, You Justcool, the Cross Bearer of the Grail Message just declared Oskar Ernst Bernhard aka Abdruahin a mystic and an Occult

I didn't say it, you did.

@shepard00

You are typical of what is wrong with Nigeria. That's why where I live we avoid you guys like the pledge. I know there are good Nigerians but people like you, with your sub human criminal behavior have given that country a terrible reputation. You guys have dragged Christianity to the gutter. You have no idea of what civility and respect is, all you people do is go around and behave rudely like animals. I opened this thread to ask justcool questions about the Grail message because other threads about the Grail message have been hijacked by you. You came her saying you like justcools answer then out of envy you returned by with lies, insults, and unfounded assumptions. Are you not ashamed of yourself.?

Please if you want to fight and peddle false accusations, please please please open your own tread and let us have peace here. You already assumed that Im a crossbearer? When you dont even knwo what a crossbearer is. The expression crosbrearer was not mentioned in the Grail message.

The fact that this is a public forum dosent give you the right to jump on every tread and write nonsense.

Just to expose shepard00 lies, here is the transaction between justcool and Noteasy.

Here is Noteasy question.

Re: The Grail Message by noteasy: 5:13pm On May 26, 2013
I can't believe this!

Please to understand you, i would like to ask the cross bearers;
- Do you believe in God, the Almighty?
- Do you believe in Jesus Christ, the only son of God?
- Do you believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ?
- Are you Christians, the followers of Christ?

Thanks!

To which Justcool kindly replied. Here is justcool's answer:

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Re: The Grail Message by justcool(m): 8:47pm On May 26, 2013
@noreasy
Thanks for your question; I will reply as follows:
noteasy:
- Do you believe in God, the Almighty?
Genuine cross bearers do not believe; rather they are convinced! Belief means accepting something that you haven’t experienced, something that is not born out of your personal recognition, something that may not even make sense to you but you have accepted blindly. Either because you are told to, or because of your religious orientation, tradition, culture, etc.

The Grail message urges its adherents to weigh and examine everything. One must be convinced of every thing that she/he lives by, especially anything pertaining to God.

Genuine cross bearers are convinced in God, the almighty; Convinced that creation issued out of HIS eternal laws which swing in Love and Justice.

noteasy:
- Do you believe in Jesus Christ, the only son of God?
Again, when it comes to God, belief is not enough. Belief cannot emanate from the spirit, the breath of God in man. Beliefs arise from the intellect. And one can only approach God in his spirit, not his intellect. The spirit knows, not believes. And to know means to be convinced. Hence from the spirit comes living conviction.

Genuine crossbearers are convinced that Jesus, who is the Living Love of God, is and will forever remain the inborn son of God. However, we use the term son for the lack of a better word; for God does not have sons in the human way of having sons. The Son of God means the part of God that, although eternally connected to God the father, works separately from Him. Hence Jesus is a part of God that once incarnated on earth to save mankind from spiritual death. Jesus is that part of God the father that God the father used to save mankind.

God the father also used another part of Himself to create maintain creation. This part severed from God the father, and through Him all creation came into being. He is the Living Will of God. He is the Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity.

noteasy:
- Do you believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ?
Again, genuine crossbearers do not just believe in the true teachings of Jesus, genuine crossbearers are convinced in the eternal Truth that the son of God, Jesus, brought to mankind.

noteasy:
- Are you Christians, the followers of Christ?

It depends on what you mean by Christians. If by that you mean church goers or religionists, then all I can tell you is that it is not necessary to join any religion, denomination, or church to live in the Light of Jesus’ teachings. Jesus did not bring or found any religion of earth.

If by Christians you mean followers of Christ, or those who live by the teachings of Jesus, then genuine crossbearers are Christians. The Grail message and the message of Jesus are one.

noteasy:
Thanks!
Remain blessed, and thank you too!

After the explanations above she rephrased the same questions again!!!!!! And the nextthing she did was hijack the tread by preaching and posting long bible verses. To which justcool ignored her as every gentleman would. I would not have been patient enough to ignore her, I would have told her off for hijacking a tread someone created for the Grail message.

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Re: The Grail Message by noteasy: 10:42pm On May 26, 2013
Justcool, thanks for your wonderful responses.
I know that conviction comes first before believe.It is only when you are convinced that you believe without doubts.

I'm glad you said you(the cross bearers) are Christians, but i still have more to ask;
Can you please kindly assist me go further by declaring that you(cross bearers) have accepted Jesus Christ as your guide and personal saviour(only if you believe and truly believe in Him)?

Do you believe that the teachings and words of Jesus Christ are all true and will ever be true(His words never changes and would never change,He is not a liar)?

Please, where do you reference the teachings of Jesus Christ(where do yo refer for the teaching of Jesus Christ)?

For me, i reference the holy bible as a christian(not church goers) but from the testimonies of those who lived with Christ and personally encountered his teachings and also those who personally had an encountered with God (before the coming of Jesus Christ) in the old testament of the bible.

With these, we would go into another phase of discussions and questioning.

Thanks,
I welcome all the cross bearers(m_nwankwo and co.) to give me their answers to these questions.
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Re: The Grail Message by noteasy: 7:48am On Jun 22, 2013
Just thot to share the below;

Meditation: Matthew 6:24-34
Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life. (Matthew 6:25)
A hungry four-year-old opens the refrigerator door to search for a snack. She asks for candy or cookies or ice cream. But then her mother introduces her to reality: “If you’re hungry, have a sandwich, a piece of fruit, or yogurt.” If she were left to her own devices for too long, malnutrition would set in. It’s only through parental guidance that she is able to thrive.

It is the responsibility of this girl’s mother to get her child into the habit of coming to her first, before she sets her heart on something that may be bad for her. She knows that eventually her daughter will learn about the dangers of too much junk food and will choose more healthy snacks. But for now, Mom has to make all the decisions.

Can we develop a taste for the good food that God has to offer? Jesus says that the best thing we can ask for the Father to give us is “the kingdom of God and his righteousness” (Matthew 6:33). He promises that if we seek these out, then our heavenly Father will provide for all our other needs—even many of our wants!

These words from Jesus sound so hopeful and inspiring, don’t they? But sometimes it’s hard for us to act on them. We may find them comforting, but when push comes to shove, we can still go for the “junk food” of self-centeredness and self-sufficiency. Think back to a time when you got out ahead of God instead of waiting for his wisdom or trusting in his providence. How did it go? Usually these paths of self-sufficiency lead farther away from the Lord and into anxiety instead, don’t they?

Are you feeling anxious about your life right now? Are you feeling tempted to follow your own wisdom without asking for the Lord’s guidance? Don’t do it! Jesus, your Savior, is also your Provider. He can be your help in every situation if you will let him. Don’t settle for anything less than all the goodness he has stored up for you!

“Lord, you have so many good gifts that you want to give. Why would I ever look elsewhere? Help me to wait on you and to rest in the treasures you have for me.”

2 Corinthians 12:1-10; Psalm 34:8-13
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Readers please see for yourself the liar that shapard00 is. What a good follower of Christ!!

Shepherd00:


'You guys' meant you and your Cross bearers lot. those who were answering questions in that thread.

I participated in that thread and not all those answering questions are cross bearers. I'm not a cross bearer. Please before you accuse people, get your facts right.

Shepherd00:

By evidence you mean I shd copy and paste the questions Noteasy posted to you guys?

Yes! Justcool was clear enough in his demand that you provide evidence.

Shepherd00:

I am not fighting you o. I only asked why you didn't answer Noteasy's questions. You see, i see in the manner you calmly respond to questions that you are indeed a cool person, you shd have coolly answered her. No matter how fierce fire is, it's water that puts it out, but you didn't.

A blatant lie! The fact that you can lie like this about an easily verifiable fact already shows you're psychopath, a pathological liar! I have posted the conversation between justcool and Noteasy above, everybody can see what a liar you are.

Shepherd00:

Justcool nah. did you respond to one single post Noteasy made in that thread?

Unbelievable!!!! Dude are you human? I can believe a human being can lie to this extent!!!!

Shepherd00:

Lolzz. So it was a coincidence that myn44 showed up, warned Noteasy to stop posting in the thread then puff, she disappeared? I may have reported her. lol.

Stupid and boundless assumption!! Maybe because Noteasy hijacked the tread!!! Its unfair to hijack a persons tread and start posting a different subject. You can as well just open your own tread. Maybe the pastor that pretended to have raised the dead is you. You are the one or is it coincident that he is an African an a Christian like you? Since we are hear to assume all kinds of things and accuse others of. You are the guy that bugled my house last week. Or so it is a coincidence that he is black.

Shepherd00:

Ha. Na only question I ask o. Why this out bust nah? I used to perceive you as a very calm and in control person. Why this nah?

Do you even know what outburst means. You know he is calm that's why you are attacking him and accusing him of all sorts of things. You guys are unbelievable!! you will not go Muslim forum and talk this nonsense. I now understand why the Muslims demanded their own forum and was granted. Your pretend Christianity is never enough for you because you know you are not a real Christian, so you go to other treads and starts accusations. We blame Muslims for violence, but you some of Christians can be very intruding and inversive at times!!

Shepherd00:

This is a public domain and whatever you post here shd not be for only those who believe in what you believe, or who are Seekers, but for those who are not. You sound smart in for that reason I expected that you'd know this. If a question is asked, and you have answers answer with decorum if not pass, instead of starting a fight but make it seem like the enquirer is the enemy.

The fact that this is public forum doesn't mean you should invade every tread with false accusations. Many people have asked justcool questions about the Grail message, and he answered. However you don't expect him to indulge your stupid. You don't pay that guy to answer every nonsense you write. If you are not genuinely interested in any topic, stay away. don't go there and insult people.

Shepherd00:

This is another thing you guys evade from answering. You wouldn't talk about Abdrushin. Why?
Everyone who started a religion had an history behind them and their message reflects who they were or are.

Their message must be seen in their lives first because he cannot bring a message to others and fail to exhibit what he brought.

It will not be right to only talk about a message leaving out the messenger. For instance, Moses who brought the law of Jehovah to the Islraelites asked to know about Jehovah when He accosted him at the burning bush. 'Who are You?' was Moses question. Did God say to him, just go and say the Israelites to take the message and not bother with the messenger? No. God introduced Himself to Moses.

Moses brought the law, his credentials are here for a to see. And if what he wrote did not affect or portray his personal life then there's something there.

Dude don't write what you don't know. It makes you look worse than a fool. Can you show any evidence that Abdrushin started a religion The very first introductory chapter of the Grail message said, "The following words does not bring a new religion" He also warned religious fanatics like you to stay away!!!

Shepherd00:

Jesus of Nazareth who you guys are fun of quoting, introduced Himself and lived his message.

Give me evidence that Jesus brought a religion, and tell me the name of that religion.

Shepherd00:

Muhammad of Arabia brought Islam, his story is here and he lived his message. If you engaged a learned muslim, you get answers to your questions.

What about Charles Tass Russel of The Watch Tower?
Or Joseph Smith of the LDS?
Why shd Oscar's case be different?

I challenge you to go and debate a Muslim. You're a weakling, you will only insult gentle people. Go and tell a Muslim about Mohamed lets see. Muslims don't tolerate nonsense.
Every word you write is assumption!! I've never met anyone like you!! Did you even go to school? You sat down an assumed that Abdrushin started a religion. I'm still waiting for evidence and name of that religion.

Shepherd00:

Abdrushin preached REINCARNATION, he said he who Oscar at the time, knew that he was Abdrushin in his former life and he knew his work on earth, he went about doing it. He died, he ought to reincarnate again abi?

No he ought not to!!! You haven't read the Grail message but you already know what Abdrushin preached about. Okay He did. Now I ask you, What did he say about reincarnation? Did he ever say that he ought to reincarnate?

Shepherd00:

My question is, has he? As What or who this time? where is he?
It will be wrong to point me away from this sir. This is very important to those who want to be Seekers.
If I was a German in my last life, but I am now a black African, and I'm dead, I must be someone else nah.

Has your pastor, the guy who taught you how to fake resurrection reincarnated?

Shepherd00:


Oh Lawd!!!!. Pls nah, don't be like this. This is not the same case pls. The Pharisees asked that with spite, but I only asked becos I don't really know. Pls clarify me. Who were you in your past life?

Ohh!! You don't know. But you just claimed that you know what he preached. You think you are smarter than anybody? You are only here to radicle people. Posters like justcool don't have time for you.

Shepherd00:

And, @Justcool, pls stop quoting the Bible. Someone asked you if you believe in the Bible, you said No. that your Message comes directly from God. Quote your Grail.

So now the bible is your fathers property? Mind you the bible came from Eruope. It was we Europeans to introduced it to sub-Sahara Africa. So I should be telling you to stop quoting my forefathers book and using to dupe people.

Shepherd00:

What have I done here that suggest I'm doing something against the Grail Message?
Seriously, this is surprising.
WTH? Was I wrong to ask a simple question? So, if an unbeliever in Jesus asks me about the immaculate Conception of Jesus, instead of answering him, I shd attack and push him off, telling him to go enjoy is unbelief? Na wao.

Dude Jesus did not answer fools. He didn't all the questions Pilate asked him. Jesus would not answer a liar and trouble maker like you.

Shepherd00:

Where is this coming from pls? I never said you were an occult nah.
Oh, the Grail Message is the Original Message of Jesus Christ?
Now you are making me ask questions I didn't want to ask before.
So, do you believe that He died to save you from Sin?
Do you believe in salvation through Jesus' finished works on the Cross, and not by your good deeds?

Are you expecting His return to resurrect His saints to take them with Him to Heaven.

Did Jesus reincarnate? to who or what? Is He a reincarnated soul today somewhere in the world?

How can you preach Jesus and preach reincarnation at the same time?

You mentioned Paradise, do you know that according to Jesus Paradise is not Heaven but a place were souls are kept to await resurrection?

Only a fool will answer you. He died for your sins, so now its okay for you become a liar, a trouble maker and a scammer. African ignorant interpretation. What about what a man sows he shall reap.

Show me where Jesus said he died for your sins and his works are finished on the cross. Please open a tread and lets debate it. My father was a pastor and I was trained as one. I've read the original Greek version of the new testament.

Shepherd00:

Do you realize you just called your Master Abdrushin a mystic? He was Oskar Ernst Bernhardt from Germany. He went digging into his past life and came up with his past life as Abdrushin from Tibet. You believed him.

You believe in the reincarnation which he taught. you believe in the Massage he brought, yet you can not tell who you were in your past life because that will be going into occultism or mysticism.


By your attestation, You Justcool, the Cross Bearer of the Grail Message just declared Oskar Ernst Bernhard aka Abdruahin a mystic and an Occult

I didn't say it, you did.

Do you realize you are a fool. Can you provide evidence where Abdrushin went digging into his past life? Justcool clearly told you that Abdrushin warns against such things. But you don't deal with facts, you deal only with assumptions. You are here to ridicle Abdrushin, a man that has not done anything wrong to you.

Again you made up lies and accuse Justcool of saying what he never said. Im sorry for you. What a follower of christ! Christ told you to peddle lies against your neighbor.

How.come I.didnt get this post?

newness101:


I participated in that thread and not all those answering questions are cross bearers. I'm not a cross bearer. Please before you accuse people, get your facts right.

What do you even understand accusation to mean? Do you just use Words? What did I accuse anyone of?

newness101:

Yes! Justcool was clear enough in his demand that you provide evidence.

I shd copy all the posts Noteasy made which you all ignored and paste them here? Lol. This is funny. You were are in that thread, so I won't waste my time.

newness101:

A blatant lie! The fact that you can lie like this about an easily verifiable fact already shows you're psychopath, a pathological liar! I have posted the conversation between justcool and Noteasy above, everybody can see what a liar you are.

newness101:

Lolzzzzz. You are really trying very hard.
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Stupid and boundless assumption!! Maybe because Noteasy hijacked the tread!!! Its unfair to hijack a persons tread and start posting a different subject. You can as well just open your own tread. Maybe the pastor that pretended to have raised the dead is you. You are the one or is it coincident that he is an African an a Christian like you? Since we are hear to assume all kinds of things and accuse others of. You are the guy that bugled my house last week. Or so it is a coincidence that he is black.

Temper! Temper!! Temper!!! Why the venom? We are not fighting are we?. See how hard it is to pretend to be something you are not, while trying to cover up?

Sincerely tell why she began posting in that thread. Like Always, Justcool may have felt he had seen a new convert and answered her, but when she persisted with questions she was ignored by you all. One of you even warned her to desist with her queries.

newness101:

You know he is calm that's why you are attacking him and accusing him of all sorts of things. You guys are unbelievable!! you will not go Muslim forum and talk this nonsense. I now understand why the Muslims demanded their own forum and was granted. Your pretend Christianity is never enough for you because you know you are not a real Christian, so you go to other treads and starts accusations. We blame Muslims for violence, but you some of Christians can be very intruding and inversive at times!!

Hahahahahahaha. Sorry. This is a public domain. You cannot restrict who comes into a thread. Well, you can demand a protected enclave like the muslims. Weak people.with agendas to hide hides behind curtains.

This explains why you guys answer only those who praise TGM. Christianity is open, we accept all attacks both within and without. We are strong and unshakable. Bring it on and we will be there to take you up.

newness101:

The fact that this is public forum doesn't mean you should invade every tread with false accusations. Many people have asked justcool questions about the Grail message, and he answered. However you don't expect him to indulge your stupid. You don't pay that guy to answer every nonsense you write. If you are not genuinely interested in any topic, stay away. don't go there and insult people.

Pls stop this accusation claptrap. what did I accuse him of? Post one accusation I laid against him.

Why then does he open threads for questions if he is not here to answer all our questions. I am interested in a lot of the B.S you guys post that is why we ask questions but instead of answering you are crying upandan like weep not child. Isn't that thread about answering questions abt TGM?

Oh, you guys expected people to read the GM first before anything? I see how he kept referring people to read TGM instead answering their questions.

newness101:

Dude don't write what you don't know. It makes you look worse than a fool. Can you show any evidence that Abdrushin started a religion The very first introductory chapter of the Grail message said, "The following words does not bring a new religion" He also warned religious fanatics like you to stay away!!!

@bolded. Yeah right, but, keep telling yourselves that, who knows, you may really believe it with time.

newness101:

Give me evidence that Jesus brought a religion, and tell me the name of that religion.

Which Jesus are you talking about? The one who told those who wld follow Him to believe in Him and pray in His name, or the one TGM preach and whom they don't believe in and do not pray in His name?
Which one?

newness101:

I challenge you to go and debate a Muslim. You're a weakling, you will only insult gentle people. Go and tell a Muslim about Mohamed lets see. Muslims don't tolerate nonsense.
Every word you write is assumption!! I've never met anyone like you!! Did you even go to school? You sat down an assumed that Abdrushin started a religion. I'm still waiting for evidence and name of that religion.

Maybe you shd define what religion means and see if TGM fits in as one. Boy, calm down before you have a feat. It's unnecessary.

Abdrushin is dead and you'll die too very soon. When you do, I hope you fight to reincarnate instead of going to stand before Jesus for your sins in earth.

newness101:

No he ought not to!!! You haven't read the Grail message but you already know what Abdrushin preached about. Okay He did. Now I ask you, What did he say about reincarnation? Did he ever say that he ought to reincarnate

What are you saying now? You mean reincarnation happens only once in once life time? Is that how your version of reincarnation takes place or it's only in Abdrushin? You see the lies you believe and wants people to believe along aside? Reincarnation, according to New Age happens until a soul attends godship. Oh, wait, Abdruahin has attained godship. Stupid.

newness101:

Has your pastor, the guy who taught you how to fake resurrection reincarnated?

See.foolry. What is the name of this my pastor? How old are you pls? i believe am responding to a child.

newness101:

Ohh!! You don't know. But you just claimed that you know what he preached. You think you are smarter than anybody? You are only here to radicle people. Posters like justcool don't have time for you.

Pls, who were you in your past life? Abdrushin knew, do you? Or you just follow the lies and slow.down every BS? You tried to apply dodging tactics. Answer me, Who or what were you in your past life? Oh, you don't know becos .maybe you were a toad. See nonsense.

newness101:

So now the bible is your fathers property? Mind you the bible came from Eruope. It was we Europeans to introduced it to sub-Sahara Africa. So I should be telling you to stop quoting my forefathers book and using to dupe people.

Hahahahahahaha. Now you are claiming Europe?What a fraud. Your religious/Occult leader who came from Germany claimed he was from the East with the name Abdrushin instead Oscar, now, you claim Europe. Does it run in your blood, I mean the GM believers?

newness101:

Dude are you human? I can believe a human being can lie to this extent!!!!
Do you even know what outburst meansHas your pastor, the guy who taught you how to fake resurrection reincarnated?

Who are you calling dude? Are you High? Were you that animal called an idiot in your former life?

Again, which Jesus are you referring to? The one who gave Oscar TGM or Jesus of Nazareth? because Jesus of Nazareth answered every question posted to Him by the Pharisees. He didn't respond to Pilate not becos He felt Pilate was a fool, it was because He knew that if He kept speaking, Pilate will not allow Him go through with His mission which was to be killed. He saw that Pilate made a move to free Him and He didn't want to be freed.
Again, stop quoting the Bible, You don't believe in it. You have the Grail Message, quote from it. Stupid.

newness101:

Call me what ever you want but when you are done answer the following? You quickly ran to post stuff, but when you got here you called me a fool.
This is my question

Oh, the Grail Message is the Original Message of Jesus Christ?
Now you are making me ask questions I didn't want to ask before.
So, do you believe that He died to save you from Sin?
Do you believe in salvation through Jesus' finished works on the Cross, and not by your good deeds?
Are you expecting His return to resurrect His saints to take them with Him to Heaven.
Did Jesus reincarnate? to who or what? Is He a reincarnated soul today somewhere in the world?
How can you preach Jesus and preach reincarnation at the same time?
You mentioned Paradise, do you know that according to Jesus Paradise is not Heaven but a place were souls are kept to await resurrection

But instead of answering the very important questions, you seek to evade it and responded:

Only a fool will answer you. He died for your sins, so now its okay for you become a liar, a trouble maker and a scammer. African ignorant interpretation. What about what a man sows he shall reap.

That doesn't answer any of my questions
Pls answer me. calling names won't let you lose.

newness101:

Show me where Jesus said he died for your sins and his works are finished on the cross. Please open a tread and lets debate it. My father was a pastor and I was trained as one. I've read the original Greek version of the new testament.
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I don't challenges from people who are controlled by demons. Light can not take instructions from darkness. If I want to debate you, I propose it, not the other way round.
Oh, your father was a pastor and you were trained as one right? I will take you up on that. Let me tidy by desk up.
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Do you realize you are a fool. Can you provide evidence where Abdrushin went digging into his past life? Justcool clearly told you that Abdrushin warns against such things. But you don't deal with facts, you deal only with assumptions. You are here to ridicle Abdrushin, a man that has not done anything wrong to you.

Lol. Abdrushin didn't dig into his past, how then did he being Oskar Ernst Bernhard from Germany know he was Abdrushin from Tibet in his former life? Oh, maybe only him knew his former life, what his name was, where he came from and what he did, but warned the rest of you not to do it? Are you sane?
Abdrushin was a fraud, a lair and a charlatan like you his flower. Didn't you claim Europe here?hahahahahahaha. geraut loser.

newness101:

Again you made up lies and accuse Justcool of saying what he never said. I'm sorry for you. What a follower of christ! Christ told you to peddle lies against your neighbor.

Oga, stop crying and answer me. How come you don't attempt my questions. it won't be long you'd be all over the places claiming you did.
Answer me Biko. Where is Abdrushin now?Did he reincarnate as a Chicken, lizard or mosquito?

You must know o.

@newness101

Please ignore Shepard00. If you have more questions, you are welcome to ask.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Hello, please, my question is: Could you explain what miracle is?
Also, in the Bible, it was stated that Jesus Christ turned water into wine. What is the Grail Message's explanation about this, and
how does this act fall within the Natural Laws of Creation?

Thank you.

VeVoGuitar:
Hello, please, my question is: Could you explain what miracle is?
Also, in the Bible, it was stated that Jesus Christ turned water into wine. What is the Grail Message's explanation about this, and
how does this act fall within the Natural Laws of Creation?

Thank you.

Hi VevoGuitar

Thanks for your question.

A miracle is happening of such stupendousness that often human beings cannot explain it. Due to this it appears to us as if it happened outside or against the laws of nature. But this is because of our lack of knowledge of the laws of creation and our inability to survey the whole process, including the power involved which sometimes lies above the human scope of surveillance.

The laws of nature are inflexible and immutable. Anything happening outside of it or going against it is altogether and absolutely out of the question; annulling or going against the laws of nature is impossible. And since God is absolute perfection Himself, everything that issues directly from Him is also perfect and cannot be changed or improved upon. What we call the laws of creation, to which the laws of nature belong, issued from God. Hence these law bearing Divine perfection as intricate part of them cannot be changed.

However the speed of manifestation of events differ depending on the concentration of power in question. Let’s take healings for example. A healing process that normally may take years to be completed under the power of the physical body and mundane medicine, may take just a few months to be completed under the concentrated spiritual power mediated by gifted healer. The concentrated power mediated by the healer to the sick person only speeds up the healing process which remained natural and unchanged. Hence all the process proceeded as ordained by the laws of nature and not by a hair’s breath outside of it; only the speed increased, nothing else. It is this speed of recovery or manifestation that marvels people and confuses them, making them think that the happening is outside nature because they are used to the normal natural slower healing process.

The speed of manifestation or recovery from disease depends on the concentration or amount of the power that the healer is able to mediate; and of course the sick person’s receptivity or ability to open her/himself. Jesus, who issued directly from God, and carries a part of God within Himself, is able to mediate God’s power in the most concentrated form. His power is so potent that when He laid hands on the sick, the recovery happened almost instantaneously! Hence He was able to pray for the sick and they recovered immediately.

It is possible to call the newly departed back to their physical bodies, as in raise the dead. The process of death involves stages; and at a certain stage it is possible to halt the process and awaken the dead. This is possible provided that the physical body is still intact, and the soul has not ventured too far in the beyond. There is absolutely nothing unnatural or supernatural in this. Hence Jesus was able to awaken the dead with His divine power.

However it is impossible to automatically turn water into wine just as it is impossible to turn stone into bread; the laws of nature do not allow such changes. Hence Jesus did not turn water into wine. The story of turning water to wine may have arisen from a parable of metaphor. It may have been a vision sown to somebody, to convey a spiritual message, which after many years got mixed up and taken literally. If you think about it, it is quite inconsistent to say that at one point He refused to turn stones into breads and at another point agreed to turn water into wine; they actually fall within the same category, He could not have refused to done one and accepted to do the other.

Lucifer tried to tempt Jesus into attempting to turn stones to bread, because he(Lucifer) knew that such was impossible and if attempted would have resulted in failure. Such failure would indeed have made Jesus doubt the potency of the Divine power that He sensed in Himself, He would have doubted His Divine origin. And such doubt would have made His mission impossible. But Jesus knew the laws of nature which bore His Father’s unchanging Will; He knew all that was allowed or permissible within the laws of His father. Hence He did not try such; in other words, He did not fall into Lucifer’s trap.

Thanks and remain blessed

justcool:
@ newness101

Thanks for your worthy questions.

You are absolutely right that a loving God would not send spirit germs(fresh spirit germs from Paradise) into a world where evil already exists; hence evil did not exist, even in the material world, before mankind descended into it. The word used in the description in the Grail message is "ignoble vibrations," not evil vibrations. I know the word "ignoble" is related to "evil" and, in some cases, the two words can be used interchangeably as synonyms. But here, one has to let go of rigidity and follow the lecture intuitively. Here we must let go of rigid definition of words, in order to proceed farther. Words can only take us so far, i.e. to the proximity of the Truth; but in order to grasp the Truth we must proceed with our intuitive perception. Here "ignoble" is totally different from "evil." In order to convey my perception on what is meant by "ignoble vibrations" I will paint a picture(analogy) for you.


Imagine a child sent to school for the first time. Once he enters the school compound, even at the outskirts of the school, he is confronted by emanations from the activities that go on in the school. He can see gardeners working in the gardens in the school; he can see or hear students going to classes, in fact the buildings and classes are marked so that he would not miss his way if he so wishes. As he walks around, he might perceive the smell of food oozing from the canteen or refectory. He can see and hear construction workers maintaining the buildings; as he looks further, he sees the cleaners cleaning the premises. He see the school police department or security directing cars and keeping the premises safe and peaceful. He can even hear cars roaring as the pull in and out of the school parking lots. All these numerous activities going on in the school emanate or sends ripples, be they noise, smell, etc. through which one can perceive them. The new student confronted by all these activities now has to decide. He can decide to follow the signboard welcoming new students and directing them to the class to go. He can also decide to follow the sweet aroma of the food and his will lead him to the canteen or refectory where he will only while away his precious time. He may get fascinated by the campus police and follow them around all day. He may even work of the construction workers interesting and get lost in watching them, or the he may like the smell of the cleaning solution that the cleaners use and hence hang around the cleaners all day.

If this new student follows any of these activities, apart from going to class, we can describe him as having followed ignoble activity. Ignoble, in the sense that that activity offers him no benefit as a student, and not that the activity is evil! Hence the Grail message(the English translation) uses the word "ignoble." Ignorable in the sense that it is not a noble or even honorable venture for the spirit, because it offers the spirit no benefit; and not that the vibrations/activities are evil. Neither are they traps or sneers for the spirit germs. God tempts no one! You wouldn't accuse the school authority of setting sneers for the new students just because in addition to schooling there are other activities in the school as well. These activities are necessary to keep the school functioning, they do not interfere with the students activities; however, the student must only follow the activities that he came to school for. Indeed the student should be grateful for these other activities that help keep his school alive and functioning.

In the above analogy, the new student going to school for the first time are the spirit germs entering the world of matter for the first. At this point everything in the world of matter is pure, just as the school described above, and evil is totally out of the question. The world of matter can be likened to a gigantic school where the elementals(Pure servants of God) develop, keep order, and above all keep in motion. Hence even before the first spirit germs entered the world of matter, there were already numerous activity going on in it. Just as the gardeners work on the school garden; the handymen work on the school buildings, the chefs on the school kitchen, etc., the elementals work in the world of matter, some work in the air, some or solids, molding planets, mountains, rocks, etc. Some work in liquids, forming and guiding lakes, rivers, etc. Others work in radiations, lightening up stars, suns, etc. and guiding their radiations. And after these came another species of animistic beings, the germs of the animals we see on earth. These had to wear material bodies, the physical as the outermost while they live on earth. All these activities sends ripples across the world of matter; just as the activities in the aforementioned school or our physical activities sends out ripples though smell, sound, etc. These are the vibrations talked about in the lecture MAN AND HIS FREE WILL.

If you read that lecture carefully you will also notice in the worlds of matter we do not only receive vibrations from activities therein, but also from above. The activities of the matured spirits in Paradise, far above the world of matter, also sends ripples down into the world of matter. Like the surest hand of guidance, these ripples/emanations/radiations are like rivers of guidance that can guide any spirit germ that opens itself to them or decides to follow them. And following these spiritual currents of ripples should be the most natural thing for the spirit germs because the spirits germs bears homogeneity to these currents, i.e. they(the spirit germs) originate from Paradise, from whence these ripples emanate. The spirit germ that follows these heavenly vibrations will soon be so affected that her/his inner qualities(which are pure) will be so strengthened into activity and the reciprocal reaction of these activities will mature the spirit. A spirit that proceeds this way is sure of salvation, she/he will one day resurrect from matter back to Paradise. On the other hand, the spirit germ that follows ignoble vibration/ripples or radiations will not receive the strengthening of her/his inherent spiritual qualities due to lack of homogeneity. These are called ignoble vibrations because they originate from bellow Paradise, form the world of matter; and only that which comes from the spiritual world can nourish or strengthen the inherent pure spiritual qualities of the spirit germs. Hence these ignoble vibrations can only hand on the covering of the spirit germs, preventing their inherent pure spiritual qualities from developing and bearing good fruit, i.e. coming into activity.

In the above explanation, in the fact that vibrations, ripples, or spiritual currents coming from Paradise also enters the world of matter, we see the great and indescribable Love and wisdom of the creator! Love for the spirits germs which only need to follow these spiritual currents (currents to which the already have affinity to because they are spirits as well), to reach their goal. Indeed the human spirit that allows himself or herself to go astray is quite deplorable, because the love of God clearly shows us the way. The student described above, imagine if his father is so loving that every second, every minute, every hour, he could hear his father reminding him his mission at school. Or imagine his father calls or writes to him everyday reminding him of his mission in school. What would you call such a student if after everything he goes astray? The spiritual vibrations from Paradise are like calls or letters the student receives from home everyday, loving providing his needs and pointing him towards the right direction. In deed God is not silent. The Love of God is the most obvious thing there is.


Although the above paragraphs have answered your questions, I will deal with them directly:



The so called ignoble vibrations are simply vibrations arising from activities in the world of matter, lower vibrations, as opposed the higher vibrations arising from activities in the spiritual sphere. You can substitute the word "ignoble" with "low," "lower," or "non spiritual vibrations." Evil is out of the question here, as well as Lucifer.



Yes this perfectly harmonizes with the truth that evil originated from mankind. As I already explained the so called 'ignoble' vibrations are not evil. The concept of evil is entirely different. Evil is from the onset an intention to harm another, just for the sake of it or for self gain. Only mankind indulges in such practices. Even animals did not sink to that level.



Temptation and setting of sneers are out of the question here. God tempts no one! The wrong principle of temptation is the brain child of Lucifer. And it is opposed to God's principle of Love, which supports, waits hand and foot for all to mature.




Creation does not revolve around the human spirit as it is often taught in churches. Man is only one of many creatures in existence, and not perchance more important than other creatures. The spiritual is only one of the many species in creation. Spiritual activities sends out spiritual ripples, currents or vibrations. These are the vibrations that the spirit germs should follow, vibrations to which they already have natural inclination to. Animistic beings in their activities also send off ripples, currents or vibrations, to which animistic germs naturally follow. Since the animistic stands lower than the spiritual in creation, spiritual vibrations are higher than animistic vibrations. It is unnatural for spirits to follow animistic vibrations; such a spirit germ that out of curiosity follows such vibrations initially is not evil, neither is he following an evil vibration. She/he is only following a wrong road. Here the concept of evil and wrong has to be understood. Understanding this concept will unlock many doors of knowledge to you and hand you many keys to many puzzles.

For the sake of clarity, lets examine some of such ignoble vibrations. The desire for physical intimacy, for example! Animals who were on earth before man obey this desire, which is a necessity of the physical body. Copulation goes before procreation, and this is only a natural law, which swings in purity. Even this act of copulation sends ripples or vibrations all the way to the ethereal realm because animals participating in it wear ethereal bodies as well as physical. Hence some spirit germs, even before entering the physical world already started nipping on this 'ignoble' vibration. The desire to fully enjoy this indeed sweet vibration can only draw the spirit germs closer to the earth and finally she/he wears a physical body which will soon give her/him the gift of generative power which will allow him to fully enjoy this vibration. However, even though this spirit has finally arrived on earth, it came in through the wrong road! It will only incarnate among others who are lustful or if there are no such humans on earth already, she/he will be the door through which other such lustful souls will incarnate. And naturally they will give rise to a lustful society or culture on earth. The desire for maturity or to fully set aglow the inherent pure qualities in the spirit germ should be his motive towards incarnation; in biblical words, the desire to multiply and replenish the earth. IE to multiply, strengthen, or fully set aglow her/his spiritual qualities which only the earth and physical body though its generative power can give the spirit germ should be spirit germ's motive to incarnate on earth and form the bases for his incarnation on earth. Such a spirit travels the right road, the road that the spiritual vibrations from above inclines it to. Such a spirit will incarnate in a environment or among people of homogenous spiritual nobility. If there are no such people on earth already, such a person will be the door through which other noble spirits will incarnate. And soon a nature of noble culture will arise among them. Her/his life of earth will not only mature or strengthen his spiritual qualities further, it will also bless the earth, for such only such people can make the earth a reflection or Paradise, i.e. replenish or ennoble the earth. Hence the disparity we see among nations on earth, even at the earliest beginnings of mankind on earth has a strong spiritual reason. However, it must not be thought that man must not never copulate. Quite naturally, when he wears a physical body, this desire must soon as from the physical body when it reaches maturity, i.e. generative power sets in. But with the onset of this power which enables the spirit to radiate most powerfully in the world of matter, the strong component of all that is pure and spiritual is also powerfully felt: Love! This love becomes the motivating factor in all that the individual does; even copulation. And it is this love that makes this copulation, which ordinarily is a desire of the physical, also beneficial to the spirit.

And so it is with all our gross material activities. Eating, drinking, etc. The joy we drive from these activities, are like vibrations which reaches up to the ethereal realm, remember we were ethereal bodies along with the physical body while one earth. Disembodied souls can nip on these vibrations. These vibrations were around even when the first spirit germs entered the world of matter, because animals on earth were already indulging in such activities(eating, drinking, copulating, etc) and the vibrations resulting from can be felt even in the ethereal realm. Some spirit germs even before reaching the earth for the first started nipping on this low, ignoble or wrong vibrations till they become addicts and this addiction becomes bases for their incarnation.

Lets look at another low vibration which mankind has enthroned: Aggression! This is a vibration that is purely animistic. It is one of the lowest branches off the law of motion. The animistic uses aggression to ensure motion. Hence it in the animistic, aggression swings in purity. In the ring of animistic substantiality we have beings that radiate aggression to the lower realms. Hence on earth we have animals, like lions, for example, that swing in this ray of aggression. With this they keep other animals in motion and thus healthy. Ever noticed that the animals Lions directly prey on are often the healthiest? They need to be healthy to survive; once they become unhealthy, they fall victim to the lion. However aggression is very alien to the spirit because it is not spiritual radiation. The spirit originates in a plane where everything is inherently alive and in motion, and voluntarily keeps in motion without needing any outside impetuous. It is unfortunate that today man is as aggressive as the animal; but in man aggression can never swing in purity. Whenever man is angry is always either out of fear, envy, jealousy, or selfishness. Hence men who are easily angered, who often resort to aggressive measure, such as wars and fights, are still very spiritually underdeveloped. Human society should be predominantly peaceful; anger offers the spirit nothing for its development. Aggression is not one of the inherent qualities that the spirit germs poses. But unfortunately, some spirit germs, even before they reached the earth, they already have a predisposition towards aggression. Hence when incarnated they attracted other such souls and formed a warlike nation, culture, or become a warlike people.

There are so many qualities that are animistic or belong to the lower rung of creation which mankind has unnaturally sank to. Things like submission, which lies perfectly in the animistic, which unfortunately many teach today as a spiritual quality worthy of emulation. However the idea of submission does not apply to human spirits who have free will and who should only always follow their will. Only what a man does from his free will brings him benefit; what she/he achieved by submitting to an alien will brings her/him no benefit! By learning to submit, mankind naturally made themselves slaves. Some people become willing slaves after many years of being abused coerced into submission. Think of things like Stockholm's syndrome! Submission can bring an animal benefit, because it has no free will; it doesn't carry the Spirit, the will of God within its soul like humans do; however in humans submission is a violation of the gift of free will. The human spirit carries a part of the holly will of God as its intuition or will. Hence a spirit germ, that forsakes his own will or his conscience and submits to an alien will, is as good burying that which makes it spiritual. Thus even before reaching the earth for the first time, some spirit germs have neglected their will so much that they are almost as good as not having any. Such submissive ones will accumulate and form a tribe of slaves on earth. They will easily be made slaves on earth because they will easily follow and alien will.

I can go on and on but I believe I've said enough to give the idea.

Thanks and remain blessed

Following a matter intuitively is no license for accepting unrealistic analogies
Every school has a uniform for students different from cooks and laborers. Or simply put, a way of identifying who from who. No school will permit a student spending his entire academic year in the cook’s place. Schools has disciplinary measures against recalcitrance.
That a so called gem can come into the world and turn ignoble is incongruent with your over labored example. Freewill is limited in schools.

justcool:


Hi Shepherd00

Thanks for your questions. There is no connection between the Grail message and Ecankar or any other religion, cult, and movements. The writer of the Grail message drew His message straight from the highest source, from God the father. Naturally it will agree with the Truths in others religions and, at the same time, disagree with the falsehoods in them. It is neither a religion, movement, nor cult; it is simply brought to mankind. Anybody, regardless of her/his religion, nationality, race, etc. is welcome to examine the Grail message, provided that she/he is a serious seeker; the writer only demanded the reader/examiner must proceed with objectivity.

A lot of people have asked questions about the Grail message in this forum. Here is one of such treads:https://www.nairaland.com/147092/grail-message/9. Keep in mind that the answers you read on that thread or receive from adherents of the Grail are only their perception. If you are seriously seeking, then you might consider picking up the Grail message and hearing straight from the horse's mouth. I will enthusiastically treat any questions that you have after examining the message.

About Eckanker, I'm not allowed to talk. There are Eckists in this forum, and if you are interested in eckanker you should approach them with your questions.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Ofcourse u know next to nothing about Eck cod Rushin cleverly warned you and ur likes against hypnosis Divination and Occultism. Why he did it was to cover his tracks, so you will never find out how he studiously copied from other mysteries and occult thoughts to write his books IN THE LIGHT OF THE TRUTH
Every cross bearer u find, has perhaps, only read the 3volumes of the book and afterwards believe they are now completely knowledgeable about all of creation from the great beyond to the depths of hades
Grail messengers are the most deluded people I have ever met.
Ur views are a combo between Eck, Hindi AMORC mysteries yet you not the wise for it!