Tianamen1:


Without the white people, do you think their government would have focused on primary and secondary school education?

am so shocked with your comments, whites are not involved in government operations. is Africans who are running that country.

omohayek:

This is rank ignorance of the worst kind: those white people you give so much credit to are the very ones responsible for black South Africans lagging so far behind educationally, thanks to the Bantu Education policy introduced by Verwoerd in 1953.

This tendency to credit everything good in Africa to white people is reaching ridiculous proportions: many of the continent's problems were deliberately caused by them, from fostering "tribal" tensions in the name of "divide and rule", to discouraging African electoral participation in favor of "indirect rule" through "chiefs", to drawing borders with absolutely no consideration for pre-existing ethnic and political realities.

thanks very much for this response

Tianamen1:


Was it the white man that made us sell our brothers and sisters into slavery in exchange for mirrors?

Is it the white man that has made Nigeria the only oil producing nation without working refineries

Is it the white man that created so many government agencies that do nothing and consume all the funds necessary to educate our people and improve our productivity.

Is it the white man that has prevented us from providing pipe borne water to our communities.

Is it the white man who has made our government invest so much money in training doctors and engineers yet provides no enabling environment so they all move out of the country to greener pastures.

All my friends have left Nigeria. I am the only one left. I have left this miserable country twice, but some devil keeps drawing me back.

This is 2019. Nigeria has had 20 years of democracy and we have not improved in any significant way. Some may rightly say things are getting worse. PDP has had its try and APC is also having its try. If you see light at the end of this tunnel, I am happy for you. As far as I am concerned, our people remain the most ignorant people on earth and we totally lack the ability to govern ourselves. No need to blame any white man. We understand book, but that is where it ends.

Please may you suggest what should be done to help Nigeria?

IronGalaxy:
just out of curiosity. why do Nigerians worship white people so much?

am also surprised.

grandstar:


Learn from the Arab Spring: Most revolutions either keep things the same or they may get worse. Why it's so is that the revolutionaries either don't have the answers or that the citizenry are not ready to accept the bitter truths.

In Egypt, are the revolutionaries ready to downsize the bloated civil service and eliminate food and energy subsidies? Are the Gulf rich Arab citizens ready to pay taxes and lose juicy government jobs?

Libya, Syria and Yemen are in worse shape and are now shitholes. The Gulf Monarchies remain in power. Egypt is back to being a dictatorship. Tunisia is now filled with terrorist. The more things change. the more they seem to stay the same.

change is needed. it depend how you make it, you could get either good or bad result.

grandstar:


If I was to place a bet on the country that would do far better in the future, it is Nigeria.

Money covers a thousand imperfections", say the Chinese.

South Africa has a high unemployment rate, high crime rate, powerful trade unions which affects productivity, bloated civil service, many state owned companies and has been plagued with poor economic growth.for sometime now.

It's living off old glory. The greatest evidence of this is that it has the worst income distribution in the world.

It will be very difficult for South Africa to overcome it's challenges as the interest groups benefitting from them will fight tooth and nail to hold on to them

Also, some reforms will mean enriching the white minority such as privatisation and ending affirmative action. Reforms here are basically off the table.

Nigeria's basic problem now is down to one man:Buhari. Get rid of him today and any newcomer will bring about policies that will create growth of at least 6% or more per annum

south has strong institutions that govern the country. unions are good because they defend the workers. all failing state owned enterprises are going under proper commissions that review their performances. all private companies that got tenders illegally from govt were penalized, e.g kpmg, bosasa, gupts. all city mayors that did maladministration were removed. some state owned enterprises are doing well like transnet.

grandstar:


If I was to place a bet on the country that would do far better in the future, it is Nigeria.

Money covers a thousand imperfections", say the Chinese.

South Africa has a high unemployment rate, high crime rate, powerful trade unions which affects productivity, bloated civil service, many state owned companies and has been plagued with poor economic growth.for sometime now.

It's living off old glory. The greatest evidence of this is that it has the worst income distribution in the world.

It will be very difficult for South Africa to overcome it's challenges as the interest groups benefitting from them will fight tooth and nail to hold on to them

Also, some reforms will mean enriching the white minority such as privatisation and ending affirmative action. Reforms here are basically off the table.

Nigeria's basic problem now is down to one man:Buhari. Get rid of him today and any newcomer will bring about policies that will create growth of at least 6% or more per annum

south has strong institutions that govern the country. unions are good because they defend the workers. all failing state owned enterprises are going under proper commissions that review their performances. all private companies that got tenders illegally from govt were penalized, e.g kpmg, bosasa, guptas. all city mayors that did maladministration were removed. some state owned enterprises are doing well like transnet.

grandstar:


Zuma rise to power in a country as rich as South Africa in the first place shouldn't have arisen. It was the black South Africans that put him there.

If the black population reflected the $7,000 per capita income of that country, he would never have smelt power.

This is therefore testament to huge disparity of income in South Africa and how the under developed black population is holding the country back.

South Africa urgently needs reforms and I doubt whether the rich dude at the helms of affairs is ready to take it on.

He already sees reasons for labor reforms( he controls many companies) and can see first hand how rigid labour laws are holding back investment and productivity.

It was shocking during the commodity supercycle that no new mines were opened by the big foreign. mining companies despite it's massive mineral deposits. Completely a surd.

zuma raised to power because of the promise he made to south african. his ideas were really good. he was promising to nationalize the mines and banks, that's why people voted for him.he failed to keep his promise and they chased him. about mines south African people no longer wants foreign investors in the mines.

zhike:


change is needed. it depend how you make it, you could get either good or bad result.

Nigeria is a democracy. What's the revolution for.

zhike:
Nigerians go to South Africa to look for work, to study and also for medical purposes. what are we better than South Africa with?

We? When you are not a Nigerian but South African...

grandstar:


Nigeria is a democracy. What's the revolution for.

the problem is that even the elections are not fair in Nigeria.

Lionhearted:


We? When you are not a Nigerian but South African...

hahahaha

zhike:


zuma raised to power because of the promise he made to south african. his ideas were really good. he was promising to nationalize the mines and banks, that's why people voted for him.he failed to keep his promise and they chased him. about mines south African people no longer wants foreign investors in the mines.

So to nationalise the mines and the banks are good policies? Nationalisation makes countries poorer a d discourages much needed foreign investments.

South Africa needs a flexible labour. Only 5,000,000 South Africans pay tax,out of like 50m people

deomelo:
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Another ignorant ipob and their typical anti Nigerian ipob topics.


You Igbos wake up everyday just to lets us know how much you hate Nigeria and bore us with your ignorant and unintelligent rubbish.

Get some education first before spewing rubbish on the internet.

Confirmed onyeala. South Africans come to Nigeria looking for work or life betterment abi...

Which passport will fetch the most in an open auction?
Useless empty pocket

zhike:


am also surprised.

aren't you Nigerian?

grandstar:


So to nationalise the mines and the banks are good policies? Nationalisation makes countries poorer a d discourages much needed foreign investments.

South Africa needs a flexible labour. Only 5,000,000 South Africans pay tax,out of like 50m people

poor south Africans believe that foreign investments is not benefiting them, especially in the mining sector. Mines could be nationalized like energy nationalized through eskom.

IronGalaxy:
aren't you Nigerian?

am hard core Nigerians.

Am just disappointed by Nigerians because they fight each other like cattles in the kraal e.g bokoharam. in south africa there is no such fights.

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poor south Africans believe that foreign investments is not benefiting them, especially in the mining sector. Mines could be nationalized like energy nationalized through eskom.[/quote

Was ESKOM nationalised? It's always been state owned

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before 1994 there was different companies that provide electricity to people such as lebowa electricity in limpopo, eskom came in and started to be sole provider of electricity. eskom is a good example.

zhike:


before 1994 there was different companies that provide electricity to people such as lebowa electricity in limpopo, eskom came in and started to be sole provider of electricity. eskom is a good example.

Interesting. I suspect it's because they wanted to make sure that the long marginalized majority had electricity. It did work but with hiccups now

There was a time South Africa suffered from blackouts. Rumour has it that South Africa still does. I suspect the government lacks the cash to invest in it.

It is best it's privatised rather than government pouring in more money especially now that it has competitive needs. I'm sure this will raise efficiency and ensure 24hour supply.

Big problem is that the biggest buyers of ESKOM stock will be white South Africans and this is taboo to the black majority

grandstar:


Interesting. I suspect it's because they wanted to make sure that the long marginalized majority had electricity. It did work but with hiccups now

There was a time South Africa suffered from blackouts. Rumour has it that South Africa still does. I suspect the government lacks the cash to invest in it.

It is best it's privatised rather than government pouring in more money especially now that it has competitive needs. I'm sure this will raise efficiency and ensure 24hour supply.

Big problem is that the biggest buyers of ESKOM stock will be white South Africans and this is taboo to the black majority

they will never privatize it. Eskom was unable to buy coal and diesel, that's what caused load shedding. money problems are caused by ruling party because when they campaign they promised people free electricity, and now some people are refusing to pay for electricity.

zhike:


they will never privatize it. Eskom was unable to buy coal and diesel, that's what caused load shedding. money problems are caused by ruling party because when they campaign they promised people free electricity, and now some people are refusing to pay for electricity.

I laugh in Pakistani. Even oil rich Saudi Arabia has ended fuel subsidies.

grandstar:


I laugh in Pakistani. Even oil rich Saudi Arabia has ended fuel subsidies.

lol, subsides sometimes are not working.

omohayek:

This is rank ignorance of the worst kind: those white people you give so much credit to are the very ones responsible for black South Africans lagging so far behind educationally, thanks to the Bantu Education policy introduced by Verwoerd in 1953.

This tendency to credit everything good in Africa to white people is reaching ridiculous proportions: many of the continent's problems were deliberately caused by them, from fostering "tribal" tensions in the name of "divide and rule", to discouraging African electoral participation in favor of "indirect rule" through "chiefs", to drawing borders with absolutely no consideration for pre-existing ethnic and political realities.

The afrikaneers bleeped black south Africans up big time , the damage can still be felt till today.

omohayek:

Indeed, and Nigerians are the most highly educated group in the USA, with their incomes rising correspondingly rapidly as they integrate. I really don't understand this awful tendency some people have to put down "the black man" as if every black person on earth were the same. Worse yet is how these same people are quick to dismiss any evidence contrary to their assertions of black inferiority, even when the evidence is of the very same kind as what they latch on to criticise "the black man"; when Asian immigrants to America do well it's taken as evidence of their superior "IQ" or "morality" or whatever, but when Nigerians do even better, it's somehow irrelevant!

Heck , a Nigerian family is the smartest family in Britain.

zhike:


Please may you suggest what should be done to help Nigeria?

Since this topic has been bumped forward, my solution to Nigeria's systemic problem starts with taxation. Currently we have one of the lowest tax to GDP ratios in the world.

We earn foreign exchange mainly through the sales of crude oil, so if a rich person wants to drive multiple imported cars thus spending the little foreign exchange we earn, he/she should pay much higher taxes.
Effectively, that person's passion for cars is impoverishing all of us. If that person had fewer naira to use to purchase cars, we would have more dollars in our reserves hence the naira will be stronger. Same applies to other status symbols such as houses, etc.

Income from taxation can be used to fund our basic education system and our universal health care system. My belief is that until the child of a banker and the child of carpenter attend the same schools, the private sector and entrepreneurship will not develop as most entrepreneurs are children of artisans who through better education, improve on their parents businesses.

PS
To omohayek, I never implied that Nigerians are not intelligent people. My view is that our underdevelopment is tied to our culture of not valuing merit. Nigerians in other climes excel because they have to adopt the cultures of their host countries. If you bring the most achieved people from across the world, people such as Bill Gates, Carlos Slim, Jack Ma, to Nigeria as children, none of these people may have achieved anything of substance in life because the rules for achievements here are totally different from the developed world.

Tianamen1:


Since this topic has been bumped forward, my solution to Nigeria's systemic problem starts with taxation. Currently we have one of the lowest tax to GDP ratios in the world.

We earn foreign exchange mainly through the sales of crude oil, so if a rich person wants to drive multiple imported cars thus spending the little foreign exchange we earn, he/she should pay much higher taxes.
Effectively, that person's passion for cars is impoverishing all of us. If that person had fewer naira to use to purchase cars, we would have more dollars in our reserves hence the naira will be stronger. Same applies to other status symbols such as houses, etc.

Income from taxation can be used to fund our basic education system and our universal health care system. My belief is that until the child of a banker and the child of carpenter attend the same schools, the private sector and entrepreneurship will not develop as most entrepreneurs are children of artisans who through better education, improve on their parents businesses.

PS
To omohayek, I never implied that Nigerians are not intelligent people. My view is that our underdevelopment is tied to our culture of not valuing merit. Nigerians in other climes excel because they have to adopt the cultures of their host countries. If you bring the most achieved people from across the world, people such as Bill Gates, Carlos Slim, Jack Ma, to Nigeria as children, none of these people may have achieved anything of substance in life because the rules for achievements here are totally different from the developed world.

Thanks for this good info.

We will see the real giant of Africa tomorrow.