IAmSabrina:

Yeah, Martin's theology contradicted them. Therefore, he declared them to be non-authoritative. Just like he tried to do with a bit of the New Testament (that whole sola scriptura thing is harder to take seriously when you think about how he got there by dropping the bits that he disagreed with). They must have been eventually dropped off in the end to save on printing costs

he simply stood as judge over scriptures and decided for himself which to accept and which to reject and how to interprete.

jcross19:
that's what am saying! the 7books were there in the beginning but removed later by some set of Christian. the issue is that most of Christian doctrine and written today were orchestrated by roman empires which form the roman Catholic.

Not exactly the Roman Empire didnt make any doctrine, the christian bishops usually in council were the ones who decleared doctrines.

jcross19:
it was group of church elders headed by martin Luther I think so.

thanks bro, that's why we are brethren

Ubenedictus:
Not exactly the Roman Empire didnt make any doctrine, the christian bishops usually in council were the ones who decleared doctrines.

which church elders? the elders that was established by Constantine and Constantine was the emperor or ceaser of that time. so it was established by roman empire.

Ubenedictus:
he simply stood as judge over scriptures and decided for himself which to accept and which to reject and how to interprete.

You can imagine how scriptures can be selected and put aside those that possiblely not suit the person in question. This man has really done harm than good to the holy book.

jcross19:
which church elders? the elders that was established by Constantine and Constantine was the emperor or ceaser of that time. so it was established by roman empire.

Constantine didnt elect elders or bishops. presbyters were chosen by their bishops. Bishops were chosen by fellow bishops or/and their flock. It will take many years after d death of constantine before any emperor had any kind of influence in chosing bishops.

Ubenedictus:
Constantine didnt elect elders or bishops. presbyters were chosen by their bishops. Bishops were chosen by fellow bishops or/and their flock. It will take many years after d death of constantine before any emperor had any kind of influence in chosing bishops.

lol Bible was compiled by the order of Constantine in 322 or more AD by the synods google is your friend. Constantine influence many Roman Catholic decision.

jcross19:
lol Bible was compiled by the order of Constantine in 322 or more AD by the synods google is your friend. Constantine influence many Roman Catholic decision.

Bible was not compiled by order of constantine and no respected historian will say such.

Ubenedictus:
Bible was not compiled by order of constantine and no respected historian will say such.

I googled Constantine just now and I found that he accepted Christianity while on sick bed, if it was true then, to say it was under his authority the Bible was compiled or gave a directives to omit some part of it, sound ridiculous.

Ubenedictus:
Bible was not compiled by order of constantine and no respected historian will say such.

please google is your friend! written is different from compiling ooh because bible was in a script, scroll and parchments but compiled together by this order of emperor. let me shock you even the particular place Jesus was unknown but it was assumed by the mother of Constantine which her son, sent her for an investigation about the man called Jesus.

chakula:


Your response is very close to the trust which many Christians won't tell you.

But this Martin of a man who gave an authority to temper with God words? And why the then Christians failed to take action and must make sure such practice has do away with it?

It will be a big slap in the face of Christians for working with Bible as holy book while a mere mortal has tempered with it and no action has been taken.

He couldn't prove the books cos he didn't know it's source.
He had power so a man with power can do and undo.

Interesting deliberations....


It is sad that the rest of these books will never be known as the great library of Alexandria eas burned in the year 48 BC by Cleopatra.
As if that was not enough, the library of Serapeum was also sacked and burnt by the rampaging "Christians around 390 AD and, according to some historians, again during the Arab conquest in 642 AD."

What we have are the snippets and nitbits of what the Catholic church dishes out....that's why I don't play with Catholicism cos they know where all the bodies are buried. I won't be surprised with what maybe found inside the Vatican archive.

What if Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene after all

jcross19:
please google is your friend! written is different from compiling ooh because bible was in a script, scroll and parchments but compiled together by this order of emperor. let me shock you even the particular place Jesus was unknown but it was assumed by the mother of Constantine which her son, sent her for an investigation about the man called Jesus.

No emperos ordered the compilation of the bible
oga read up.

chakula:


I googled Constantine just now and I found that he accepted Christianity while on sick bed, if it was true then, to say it was under his authority the Bible was compiled or gave a directives to omit some part of it, sound ridiculous.

Constantine was a cathecumen for a long time, he was learning abt christianity, he had a bishop friend who was instructed to follow him around and baptise him at his death bed.
he had no hand in the bible compilation.

sniperr007:


He couldn't prove the books cos he didn't know it's source.
He had power so a man with power can do and undo.

Up till today nobody knows the source of the book of hebrew, should we also throw it away?

Ubenedictus:
Up till today nobody knows the source of the book of hebrew, should we also throw it away?

Two things happen when you don't know something:
Either u discard & demonize it
Or accept & learn more about it.

Ubenedictus:
Up till today nobody knows the source of the book of hebrew, should we also throw it away?

So the Bible has many unfounded books that are in existence today. Never knew or heard. You sound very educative in what Bible is all about.

sniperr007:


Two things happen when you don't know something:
Either u discard & demonize it
Or accept & learn more about it.

Let me go for the second point. But Sir, will you able to educate me on the subject of discussion.

Ubenedictus:
No emperos ordered the compilation of the bible
oga read up.

okay sir.

chakula:


Let me go for the second point. But Sir, will you able to educate me on the subject of discussion.

Let me try
ML was well read and he even translated the Bible to German..
Thing is that he had lots of questions and the ones he couldn't answer, he condemned.
After all, he seemed like the most enlightened man in Germany.
Hence his rejection of those books, reason cos he couldn't trace it to it's source or origin.
As regards Hebrew, it was widely accepted then that it was written by Paul. In fact that Paul wrote 13 books & it was until the 18th century or so(not sure ) that debates about the book Paul wrote started.

So you can't blame ML for his action. He did as he was expected.

sniperr007:

Let me try
ML was well read and he even translated the Bible to German..
Thing is that he had lots of questions and the ones he couldn't answer, he condemned.
After all, he seemed like the most enlightened man in Germany.
Hence his rejection of those books, reason cos he couldn't trace it to it's source or origin.
As regards Hebrew, it was widely accepted then that it was written by Paul. In fact that Paul wrote 13 books & it was until the 18th century or so(not sure ) that debates about the book Paul wrote started.

So you can't blame ML for his action. He did as he was expected.

Lol, luther wasnt the first to translate the bible in germany, in fact Erasmus had made 3 editions of the bible as did others who translated the german bible....

How do u justify calling james an epistle of straws?

Finding where to get an original copy of Hebrew Bible stand as a solution to this problem because I believe all the books that are expected to see will be there.

Chakulaa:
Finding where to get an original copy of Hebrew Bible stand as a solution to this problem because I believe all the books that are expected to see will be there.

Hebrew Bible? What the heck is that,!!!

JoannaSedley:
Hebrew Bible? What the heck is that,!!!

We shall see what we are look for in it. No single copy is missing in Hebrew Bible and I believe the doubt cast in my mind will be cleared.

Chakulaa:


We shall see what we are look for in it. No single copy is missing in Hebrew Bible and I believe the doubt cast in my mind will be cleared.

Who compiled it? It is just the old testament... Tanakh or Mitrak or something. The Christian Bible comprises of both old and new testament

JoannaSedley:
Who compiled it? It is just the old testament... Tanakh or Mitrak or something. The Christian Bible comprises of both old and new testament

Haven't you read the tittle of the thread?

jcross19:
we are missing things here! first bible of today were written a script, a scroll or parchment before it was compiled to be in a single book! in 4 centuries AD when they compiled the bible a decree was made by then ceaser Constantine and many scrolls were examined, more than 1000 scriptures were gathered but only the few were compiled together while others were burnt and the remain were kept in the Vatican archive. in Ethiopian Coptic bible contains more than 88 or 100 books . if you doubt it google is your friend.

This is the truth they never admit.
The Romans decided which books were inspired and those that were not.
Before the council of Nicea there were hundreds of books being read by Christians.
The Bible as we know it today was decreed into inspiration by the Roman Emperors of the time when Christianity became the official state religion.
The Bishops of the era sat and decided which books met the criteria wanted under the watchful eyes of the Romans and voila the Bible as we presently have it was born.
It is important to note that all non Roman inspired books were instructed to be BURNED and anyone found with any other books faced instant death. This is how the Roman Emperors decreed Christianity and the Bible as presently constituted into existence through decrees hidden under the inspiration of God.

chakula:
A learned men of God should kindly assist with a mature response.

Why the seven books have left out from other denomination Christians bibles?

Why the holy book as you claim will be into a different version?

And which Bible are we to believe as authentic?

U know that the bible was not written at the same time.....the author of some of those books were unknown.... Secondly those additional books were filled with serious contradictions

PSTEMMA1960:
U know that the bible was not written at the same time.....the author of some of those books were unknown.... Secondly those additional books were filled with serious contradictions

The authors must be known because the books were revealed during Jesus life time and all his disciples were around to put everything on ground either in their memories or on the materials used to document.

However, in regards to the contradictions I can tell you that on no condition a disciples can joke with god's word because they lived with Jesus and have a knowledge of the Bible.

Chakulaa:


The authors must be known because the books were revealed during Jesus life time and all his disciples were around to put everything on ground either in their memories or on the materials used to document.

However, in regards to the contradictions I can tell you that on no condition a disciples can joke with god's word because they lived with Jesus and have a knowledge of the Bible.

u are very wrong sir....it was not the apostles that wrote the bible....

The bible was compiled together after 140 years of the death of christ..

And as for the contradictions.......read the book of Jeremiah then compare it with the book of judith...

The book of Jeremiah stated it very clear that Nebuchadnezzar came and burnt down Jerusalem with fire and carried the people captive and also carried the gold and silver found in the temple....

But the book of judith said that Nebuchadnezzar actually came but could not succeed and his captain was beheaded by judith and all the days of Nebuchadnezzar that he never came to Israel because all his soldiers were killed by the Israelites...

So which one do u believe now? That the Israelite defeated Nebuchadnezzar or Nebuchadnezzar defeated the Israelites.......

Secondly the cause of the battle was even different.....

In Jeremiah it was because the people left God's way..

In judith was because the Israelites did not help Nebuchadnezzar fight the Assyrian......

If u are not convinced quote me so I can give u more..

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