advocate666:
I think you misunderstand Yahweh and are looking at him through the prism of the current crop of retards calling themselves christians.

Yahweh doesn't cure. He inflicts.

Yahweh created diseases, illnesses, pestillence and all types of turturing as punishment for either the isrealites that refused to obey him or those that he deemed enemies of his people. You can see numerous examples of this in the scripture.

Now what these christians do it they take the lies of Yahweh literally. Yahweh said he heals but he never healed anybody that naturally contracted any disease. He has no such powers. His powers of healing was restricted by the council of Elohim to heal only those afflictions that he himself caused.

That was why he was able to heal Job whose diseases he caused.

Martinez39:
Despite the bible talking about Yahweh being capable of healing and his promises to answer prayers of faith, many christians still can't bring themselves to put these in practice when shit hits the fan in life. Many, within them, know that the promises of Yahweh to heal the sick, who ask with faith, are laughable but since they want to keep on believing, they resolve the cognitive dissonance with illogical excuses such as "god is not a magician," "doctors and nurses are god provisions for healing" etc. in other to obviate their responsibility of embracing the miraculous as christians.

One of these illogical excuses that I want to address is "doctors and nurses are god provisions for healing." When christians use this line, what they mean is "Yahweh doesn't heal anyone directly instead the only way he heals is through doctors and nurses." They cleverly do this because, within them, they know that the miraculous healing is βullshit but they want to keep on believing. They try to absolve themselves of the responsibility to believe and practice faith healing instead of going to hospital. Does this excuse really make sense? No it doesn't. To use such excuse means you indirectly admit that Yahweh, being all powerful, can't properly implement appropriate solutions to problems or is plain wicked.

If Yahweh can provide healing for those who ask in faith, why leave them in the hands of doctors and nurses? Doctors and nurses are not perfect and can make mistakes that can be fatal at times. Medicine doesn't have solutions to certain ailments but Yahweh supposedly does, then why make medicine his only provision for healing when he can use his raw power? If medical science, not his raw power, is the only provision for healing then such provision is not sufficient for cancer patients, people with Lesch-Nyhan Syndrome, AIDS patients, the with ebola hemorrhagic fever etc. People with these end up dying. So why make medicine the only possible way when Yahweh could have used his raw power? With his allegedly raw power, these difficulties in medicine would be avoided and no one would die.

Does it make sense for Yahweh to ignore his perfect efficient power and opt for the imperfect and evolving medical science? Does this not make him an unintelligent god incapable of making sound choices? If he is perfectly sane and intelligent, does this not make him psychopathic? Why ignore your raw power that has a cure to all diseases for medical science that is limited in proffering solutions to many deadly illnesses? In many cases of manageable illnesses, the patients go through daily discomfort and spend money when this would not have been the case if Yahweh had made his raw power the provision for healing instead of the imperfect medical science. What about cases of mentally ill people who are confined to the psychiatric wards? Which would have helped them better, medical science or Yahweh's raw power(assume it exists as the bible claims)? Is this a foolish god or a psychopath? If he is sane and perfect in intellect, then he is wicked to watch people suffer and die when he could have used his raw power.

Before anti-malarial drugs were discovered, millions of children and adults died from malaria and there was nothing medical science, the provision of God for healing, could do but had god made his raw power the provision, such would not have happened. I ask you, do you think it is wise for Yahweh, being all powerful, to make the imperfect medical science his provision of healing when he could have used his raw power? So much for this divine provision of healing that many surgeries are predicted to have slim chances of success but this would not have been the case if Yahweh had used his raw power. He did it in biblical times, why should now be different? Does this make sense to you?

Given all I have stated, we can conclude that for Yahweh to make the imperfect medical science his only provision for healing instead of his raw power, then either he is too dull to proffer apt solutions to problems or he is simply a psychopath. Perhaps, we depend on medical science because it all we've got and there is no god existing.




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advocate666:
I think you misunderstand Yahweh and are looking at him through the prism of the current crop of retards calling themselves christians.

Yahweh doesn't cure. He inflicts.

Yahweh created diseases, illnesses, pestillence and all types of turturing as punishment for either the isrealites that refused to obey him or those that he deemed enemies of his people. You can see numerous examples of this in the scripture.

Now what these christians do it they take the lies of Yahweh literally. Yahweh said he heals but he never healed anybody that naturally contracted any disease. He has no such powers. His powers of healing was restricted by the council of Elohim to heal only those afflictions that he himself caused.

That was why he was able to heal Job whose diseases he caused.

shadeyinka:

A deliberate misinformation which need no response!

THIS IS NOT A VALID CONTRIBUTION.

YOU HAVE NOTHING MEANINGFUL TO POST ON THIS MATTER, JUST LIKE MOST BELIEVERS.

I AM SURE THE MOST THE "MOST CHRISTIAN" PERSON ALIVE ON EARTH WILL DO IS TO COME HERE AND URGE US TO IGNORE LOGIC AND COMMON SENSE AND JUST BELIEVE IN THE ALL-WISE AND MYSTERIOUS YAHWEH SO THAT WE CAN MAKE HEAVEN WHEN WE DIE.
THEY'LL SAY THAT AND DISAPPEAR WITHOUT ADDRESSING THE SITUATION ON GROUND.
AND THEN SIGN OUT WITH THE USUAL "A FOOL SAYS IN HIS HEART............ "

advocate666:
I think you misunderstand Yahweh and are looking at him through the prism of the current crop of retards calling themselves christians.

Yahweh doesn't cure. He inflicts.

Yahweh created diseases, illnesses, pestillence and all types of turturing as punishment for either the Isrealites that refused to obey him or those that he deemed enemies of his people. You can see numerous examples of this in the scripture.

Now what these christians do it they take the lies of Yahweh literally. Yahweh said he heals but he never healed anybody that naturally contracted any disease. He has no such powers. His powers of healing was restricted by the council of Elohim to heal only those afflictions that he himself caused.

That was why he was able to heal Job whose diseases he caused.

Martinez39:
I was looking at it from the christian perspective. If they claim god is all powerful, perfect and all loving and he heals, would it make sense for them to say that medical science is Yahweh's only provision for healing?

CAPSLOCKED:
IF PRAYERS WORKED, AMBULANCES WOULD BE DRIVING TO CHURCHES INSTEAD OF HOSPITALS. —HARDMIRROR.

IF PRAYERS WORKED THERE WON'T BE ANY AMBULANCES, BECAUSE THROUGH PRAYERS TRAGEDIES WOULD BE EASILY AVERTED.

MuttleyLaff:


Yes, medical science is one of the avenues and/or mechanisms for healing, it isnt an only provision.

Martinez39:
What are the other options?

MuttleyLaff:
Before medical science how were great great great grandfather and grandma Martinez39 healed?

Uyi168:

MuttleyLaff:
Before medical science how were great great great grandfather and grandma Martinez39 healed?

IAmSabrina:
If you're talking of ancient times, a lot of potions and mixtures of multiple ingredients were used as cure for diseases. Then again it was mostly a trial and error process. Herbalists/pharmacists learnt over time which ingredients worked and which didn't

MuttleyLaff:
Thank you for your objective, truthful, sincere and honest contribution

IAmSabrina:
You're very welcome

MuttleyLaff:
Your snapshot narrative is skewed and distorted in a way that only can be regarded as inaccurate, unfair and misleading.

Uyi168 do you know the potential of an acorn oaknut seed, erh?
In that acorn oaknut seed, are furnitures for a home, furnitures, like beds to sleep in, chairs or settees to sit and relax in, dinning tables to eat on, from it, is the scaffolding planks for building a home, in that seed, is a tree, that birds will build nests in, is wood to make coffins with, you get the drift as the list goes on

Everything needed on earth is in a seed. God has not withheld, in fact God made all healing available, it is not God to blame, if man has not step up to the plate on time to unearth and discover things for healing, just as bacteriologist Alan Fleming, a believer, eventally did or Louis Pasteur, another believer, who sometimes is famously called the father of microbiology. He was the first to prove that germs make us sick.

MuttleyLaff:
I wish Martinez39 is just as objective as you've just behaved, giving a truthful, sincere and honest observation. I can bet the first furniture until they got the knack of it, came about from a process of trial and error. They over time learnt which wood works for it and which didnt. Chairs, beds, wooden scaffolds etcetera didnt just abracadabra pop out in front of them

Martinez39:
There is nothing you will not do to defend your god. How do you know everything needed to heal man is in a seed? Where is your evidence for this or did just assume? Let's assume that the cure for HIV and AIDS are in a seed, why hasn't god informed people on what that seed is? Isn't that better than watching people suffer and die because they've not been able to identify the plant?

If you knew what the seed was, won't you inform others? If yes then your moral compass is greater than that of your god? Also, don't accuse people of not "stepping up" because scientists have spent hours and billions of dollars researching the cure to various incurable. Is it logical for god to withhold such life saving information and watch people suffer and die because man hasn't "stepped up"? Does it make sense for him provide such obscure means of healing when he could have simply pointed out the healing seeds? Even with our trial and error method of testing suspected medicinal seeds, people lost their lives by ingesting the wrong plants.

You have made no sense instead you have indirectly shown your god to be either dull to make rational decisions or psychopathic.

MuttleyLaff:
I wish Martinez39 is just as objective as you've just behaved, giving a truthful, sincere and honest observation. I can bet the first furniture until they got the knack of it, came about from a process of trial and error. They over time learnt which wood works for it and which didnt. Chairs, beds, wooden scaffolds etcetera didnt just abracadabra pop out in front of them

IAmSabrina:
True.
But is medicine Yahweh's only provision for healing? Afterall, what i described is simply prehistoric medicine.

LordReed:
The fact is they don't know, they are guessing. Spontaneous remission? It is the god. Medical intervention? It is the god. Failure leading to death? Praise the god. Everything is the god even if they went to the local herbalist, it is the god. Such a bunch of guess work if I have ever seen any.

IAmSabrina:

Lol. Confirmation bias

MuttleyLaff:
All these ranting and raving upandan the place are uncalled for nwanne. Nwanne every healing has been given, God is waiting on man to unravel and find each and every one of them. Nobody scoops petrol off the ground surface, nobody picks up gold from the ground surface, nobody scoops up pearls from the ocean surfaces, nobody picks up coal and diamonds from the ground surface. Everything comes with an effort, perseverance and commitment. This much you surely do know Martinez39

Martinez39:
I am in need of more excuses. MuttleyLaff, is that all you've got? jesusjnr/jesusjnr2, Anas09, Paxonel, Originalkalokalo, shadeyinka etc. won't you come and defend your god?

dont forget god works in mysterious ways

Martinez39:
More and more nonsense. While man is working tirelessly to find the cure for cancer and AIDS, people all over the world are dying because god wants them to unravel the cures he hide in nature. He watches them die when he could have simply pointed out the cure or provided his healing power. How logical. Good day.