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Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by advocate666: 2:02pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: Laughable that you called me a liar but the scripture you quoted actually validated all my points. Also don't be afraid to use His name. He is not like Yahweh's son that kicks your knee if you call his name. |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by MuttleyLaff: 2:14pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
advocate666:I know, you and Satan, your head honcho, know the scriptures very well, but just like to give misleading, ill-informed and deceptive accounts of it 1 Like |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by budaatum: 3:01pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
Martinez39:Please, 39. Do you not know that there are a lot of Christian doctors? I wonder how that's possible going by your reasoning in your op asking us to defend your beans misconception of God that you have managed to create in your own head. And since to you, beans is beans, your beans must be our beans. It's why you'd set up your strawman and ask us to argue that its not made of straw. This is God, "By the sweat of your face You will eat bread". And not the God you describe above who will come down from heaven and place manna in your unwanting to be fed mouth. 1 Like |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by Nobody: 5:50pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:You can start by shift+deleting yourself from my mentions if you have nothing else relevant to say as regards the topic rather than pointless strawmanning, ad hominems & thought-terminating cliches. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by MuttleyLaff: 7:04pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
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Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by Nobody: 7:09pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by Nobody: 7:26pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
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Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by Nobody: 7:42pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
IAmSabrina: Apparently, there's nothing like an all loving and benevolent God. Love is human idea. |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by MuttleyLaff: 8:35pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
Akdegreat:Love actually is God, it really is a God idea. Do you know that the Greeks understood and defined love in at the most nine different ways and I can add one more with "tough love" to make it ten 1 Like |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by TVSA: 8:37pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
Akdegreat:God is love ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by Funaki: 8:45pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
Akdegreat:God is a human idea ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by MuttleyLaff: 8:47pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
Funaki:Why are you disappointing God with this kind of attitude 1 Like |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by Funaki: 8:59pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:how am I disappointing God? What we know of him was what we were told by other men. Men in different culture have their own version of what God should be. Even among people of the same religion, we have many sects with different doctrines. 2 Likes |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by paxonel(m): 1:34am On Apr 13, 2019 |
Martinez39:it wasnt the place of God to use his supernatural power to heal in the first place. After God created man from the beginning, these were his specific instruction to man Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them(man), and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth(heal the earth)... So healing was never the responsibilty of God from the beginning, rather it was man's responsibility. So, medical science and new scientific discoveries of man are God's outermost desire and hope over his supernatural powers to effectively heal this world But we understood that man failed along the line, therefore God decided temporarily to intervene occationally(not always)pending on when man will get it right, thats why we hear of miracles. Its like someone manufacture a fan and the fan did not rotate after plugging it to the fuse, so he finds himself using his hand to propel the fan blade and gives it momentum to rotate pending on when the fan picks electricity. Humans are like the fan while God is the manufacturer. Humans were ignorant and faulty in the past, but today, they are getting knowledge and understanding. Today, man is getting almost everything right, there are new medical discoveries and break throughs today, such that God do not really need expenditure of his supernatural powers to intervene any longer. That is, he only comes in when it is necessary, so there are less miracles today 1 Like |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by MuttleyLaff: 6:51am On Apr 13, 2019 |
Funaki:You are disapponting God when you are, with your attitudes, doing less well than expected, especially in areas of discovering healing etcetera and squandering the potential He gave you 1 Like |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by GreatResearcher: 9:26am On Apr 13, 2019 |
paxonel:don't u think it was necessary for him to come in during the Epothian air crased? 1 Like |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by Nobody: 9:29am On Apr 13, 2019 |
paxonel:I could accept this explanation but for the fact that god permitted these evils to exist in the first place |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by MuttleyLaff: 10:25am On Apr 13, 2019 |
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Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by Martinez39(m): 11:04am On Apr 13, 2019 |
paxonel:Wow. God, being god, can determine his responsibilities and I don't see any reason why he would withhold his supernatural healing power from the suffering christians who have asked in faith. Besides, the bible says that the prayer of faith shall heal the sick. After God created man from the beginning, these were his specific instruction to manDishonest and lying Paxonel. You are so dishonest that I created a thread about you using my previous moniker. To replenish the earth doesn't mean to heal the earth, it simply means that they should multiply. You lied on purpose, shameless liar. Genesis 1:28 New International Version (NIV) 28 "God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” Genesis 1:28 King James Version (KJV) 28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." According to that verse, man will be fruitful and multiply and as a result of that, they shall fill up the earth with their kind. That's what "replenish" meant there. Shameless liar. Dishonest Paxonel. That verse never said it's man's responsibility to HEAL himself. To say it's the responsibility of man is to make the an excuse similar to the one I dismantled in my OP. So healing was never the responsibilty of God from the beginning, rather it was man's responsibility. So, medical science and new scientific discoveries of man are God's outermost desire and hope over his supernatural powers to effectively heal this worldYour deduction is baseless as I have shown. God can determine his responsibility and as god, he answers to no one. So what's stopping him from making his supernatural power available for healing? Why choose medicine instead of his supernatural power? Why make it the responsibility of man "that's doomed to fail" when he could perfectly take on the responsibility? You are not making sense. "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? But we understood that man failed along the line, therefore God decided temporarily to intervene occationally(not always)pending on when man will get it right, thats why we hear of miracles.As a god who could see the future, why make it the responsibility of man "that's doomed to fail" when he could perfectly take on the responsibility? You are not making sense. So miracles occur when man gets it right? Okay, tell me how man can get it right. Its like someone manufacture a fan and the fan did not rotate after plugging it to the fuse, so he finds himself using his hand to propel the fan blade and gives it momentum to rotate pending on when the fan picks electricity.Fans are inanimate and can't be guilty of disobedience and other sins. If you make a fan and it's not working, you are not a good designer and engineer. If you have to rotate the fan blades with your hands instead of fixing it like an electrician, you are not wise. Humans are like the fan while God is the manufacturer.Irrational analogy as I have shown. Humans were ignorant and faulty in the past, but today, they are getting knowledge and understanding.According to you, god made it the responsibility of man who were ignorant and faulty in the past. Why did he do that if he is sensible? How can a moral and wise god leave people who are ignorant and faulty to combat terrible diseases? Our ignorance of the cure of malaria in the past led to the death of hundreds of millions of people in the past. TODAY, our ignorance of the cure of certain cancers has seen millions dying from cancer every decade. Tell me how wise your god is and how rational your arguments are. Today, man is getting almost everything right, there are new medical discoveries and break throughs today, such that God do not really need expenditure of his supernatural powers to intervene any longer. That is, he only comes in when it is necessary, so there are less miracles today.But in the past when man didn't get almost everything right, did he intervene? No. Even now, millions of people are still dying and suffering from various terminal diseases and you tell me god doesn't need to intervene any longer. You are a joker. Cc. IAmSabrina, GreatResearcher, 1Sharon, Funaki, TVSA, CAPSLOCKED, LordReed 1 Like |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by budaatum: 4:01pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
Funaki:Why limit yourself to "what you already know", or what "Men of different culture" told you? Can you not read the book? Oh! I get it. It's a big book. Then some ignorant 'Christians' will be arguing with a fool. I shake my head at you 'Christians'. I shake my head at you. 1 Like |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by budaatum: 4:07pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
Martinez39:And since they have "asked in faith" , according to you, they should be healed by the "supernatural healing power from the suffering". 1. Have they asked in faith? 2. Which faith meter did you measure their faith with? 3. Are none ever healed? P.s. I love my doctor. 1 Like |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by Funaki: 4:13pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
budaatum: I have read the book, if you are referring to the bible. And by the way, it is still part of "what men told you". The book did not fall from heaven. It was written by men too. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by paxonel(m): 4:26pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
Martinez39:he is God does not mean that he will do supernatural miracles to satisfy the unrealistic desires of christians or any man. I mean, he will never build castles in the air for christians or any man simply because they have faith and he has the supernatural power to do so. If any christian is expecting that, then he is yet to know Gods position his role in humans scheme of things. and you ended up not proving to even your fellow atheists that i was dishonest. Witchcraft or juju or blood money do not exist, we all agreed on that ![]() you funny o ![]() What kinda atheist are you? I thoughts atheists were suppose to read between lines and be knowledgeable? So, after humans are fruitful and have multiply and filled the earth with their kind what next? Is it not to replenish the earth? what is the difference between the word REPLENISH and the word HEAL in the context of that scripture? You want to teach me bible abi ? ![]() See atheist who has never read bible want to teach a christian bible, you get mind o ![]() Let me ask you a practical question, if one the animals in the garden of Eden fell sick and Adam plucked herbs from a tree to cure the sick animal, what is he doing? Is he not replenishing the health of the animal? How is replenishing different from healing in that situation? When i told you, leave bible for christians, the book is not for atheists like you, you will not hear, see am now. ![]() Because he is God, he created humans in his image and likeness, he can do and undo. He can choose to heal, he can choose not to, no one can force him to show his supernatural power. Having said he created humans in his image and likeness that is an alternative. In his image and likeness, we we have the brain to invent technology and synthesize drugs what else do you want? ![]() medicine or supernatural power we are still acheiving the same result which is healing, one should be ok with the healing which is the end, and not looking at the means at which the healing is achieved. if man fails he has the option of trying again, certainly he will get it right someday. like i said before, miracles only when it is necessary. You dont expect God to help africans do miracles when other developed nations have a nearly perfect medical system working for them, let africans go and learn what these developed nations have learnt, that is the position of God. God is not bias. that argument does not follow! He was willing and able to prevent evil to come upon job. But he was more willing to prove to satan that job can still worship him inspite his situation. I mean, there were other people on earth who never had the same problems job had, that tells you that job on his side was careless thats why the problem came, not really that God wanted it to be so to him. i dont think that even a christian child does not know where evil came from. Let me bring this parable of Jesus christ. Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: Matthew 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. Put it this way, his enemy brought the evil not him. So, the battle or contest is between God and his enemy(The satan or antagonist) not between God and man. If you are man and you find yourself fighting against God, then you are fighting the wrong battle. once again you are very wrong with that assumption that man is doomed to fail! God wanted man to be on his side thats why he gave him the responsibility, even satan knows he cannot defeat man when man begins to know everything(because knowledge is power)even if God is not assisting with his supernatural powers no, absence of miracles shows that man is getting it right Education! Only through education (formal or informal) now you are reasoning along. The same vain, the only way God could fix man was to send Jesus to come and resque man which he did. Otherwise, man was fit to be dumped as trash like a spoilt fan. Matthew 13:28 who said he did not intervene? What were the miracles of opening the red sea for the israelites to go through, and the fall of jerico and providing maner(food) from the clouds and all the miracles jesus did which were recorded in the bible meant for? Like í told you before, all those miracle ways of doing things are old, we dont need them anymore . What we need is knowledge and understanding. If any nation have their citizens suffering from poverty and terminal diseases this modern day, let their government set up affordable education and health care system which is working, and not lazily waiting for miracles from God, its as simple as that ![]() |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by Funaki: 4:40pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
paxonel: Replenish in that vaerse is not to heal. It is used in other places in the original hebrew text. It means to fill. Strong's #4390: male' (pronounced maw-lay') or malae (Esth. 7:5) {maw-law'}; a primitive root, to fill or (intransitively) be full of, in a wide application (literally and figuratively):--accomplish, confirm, + consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, X draw, give in, go) full(-ly, -ly set, tale), (over-)flow, fulness, furnish, gather (selves, together), presume, replenish, satisfy, set, space, take a (hand-)full, + have wholly. It was used in: Genesis 1:22: "them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl" when God created the animals Genesis 6:11: "before God, and the earth was filled with violence." Genesis 6:13: "before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold," during Noah's time and men were wicked Genesis 25:24: "And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb." Genesis 26:15: "his father, the Philistines had stopped them, and filled them with earth." Rebekah and Isaac It doesn't mean to heal as you implied |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by budaatum: 4:47pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
Funaki:You obviously have your own 'doctrines' too, as in, your own opinion about what God is or should do, but why do you assume your 'doctrine' is everyone else's doctrine and understanding? Is your beans my beans perhaps, according to you, so you need not bother asking about my beans? All books are written by human beings, but reading it is not "what they told you", since what you understand depends on your ability to comprehend and understand which is the reason people of the same religion have different doctrines. I admit, most Christians, will indeed tell you their doctrines, which they'll claim is not a religion but a way of life, are the only God pleasing doctrines and they got them from the Bible, but if you indeed read the book yourself and understand you'd know the blind were not cured of lameness nor did the deaf receive sight, the lame were not cleaned, and the leper did not receive the cure of blindness. Each received what they came looking for. Then some poor lot got "taught" (and not indoctrinated, according to your 'doctrine'), and were blessed. If you understand, Funaki, you too will be [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+4%3A6-7&version=KJV]favoured by the Lord[/url]. 1 Like |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by paxonel(m): 4:48pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
IAmSabrina:what will you have him do, to eradicate evil with his supernatural power when humans can do the eradication themselves? |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by paxonel(m): 4:52pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
IAmSabrina:what will you have him do, to eradicate evil with his supernatural power when humans can do the eradication themselves? Then why did he create humans in the first place if not for them to help eradicate evil? |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by Funaki: 5:01pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
budaatum:guy, when did you become a preacher? ![]() ![]() By the way, Christians are quick to say "you did not read with understanding " or "You don't have the holy spirit, that's why you don't understand". I have used those lines before too ![]() ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by Martinez39(m): 5:02pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
budaatum:According to the bible, the prayer of faith shall heal the sick and declaration of faith can move mountain. JAMES 5:15 King James Bible "And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him." MATTHEW 7:7 King James Bible 7 "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened." JOHN 14:13 King James Bible "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son." ... and the killer MARK 11:24 King James Bible "Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them." 1. Have they asked in faith?Yes. If you think they've not, tell me how you know that? I ask you Buda, even if they have faith, can a prayer of faith heal the sick? 2. Which faith meter did you measure their faith with? The bible never said have faith to a certain quantity. The bible said people should just have faith. According to the bible, a "drop" of faith is sufficient to move mountains. MATTHEW 17:20 King James Bible "And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; AND NOTHING SHALL BE IMPOSSIBLE UNTO YOU. 3. Are none ever healed? None. If you disagree, show me a case of anyone that has healed by faith. P.s. I love my doctor.You have to, it's for your own good. I don't see why this information is relevant to the discussion. |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by paxonel(m): 5:03pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
GreatResearcher:it was not necessary! You dont expect spiritual intervention on human errors. John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Boeing 737 max was human error 1 Like |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by Martinez39(m): 5:12pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
paxonel:Where cometh evil? Who created evil? With our fight against evil and suffering, we are still limited and our limitations have seen billions suffer and die for terminal diseases. Would it not be moral for an all powerful being to step in an take responsibility? Why is it sensible to live it in the hands of man when he can take it responsibility and achieve much better results? You keep saying nonsense. |
Re: Medical Science As The Provision Of God For Healing. by paxonel(m): 5:20pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
Funaki:whats the product of violence? Is it not destruction, and sometimes people will sustain injury? If injury is sustained what next, is it not hospital. When doctors treat injury are they not healing. Your mind have to be very dynamic when you read bible. Replenishing the earth implies repair the earth, heal the earth. Ofcourse, every human who sustain injury through violence are part of the earth so what are we talking? 1 Like |
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