MuttleyLaff:
"He said, "If you will listen carefully to the LORD your God and do what he considers right, if you pay attention to his commands and obey all his laws, I will never make you suffer any of the diseases I made the Egyptians suffer, because I am the LORD, who heals you.""
- Exodus 15:26

You are only absolutely right about the less than 1% truth thing you said, everything else you mentioned, just as and/or like, the most important person or thing in your life does, is making up misleading, ill-informed and deceptive stories.

Contrary to the misleading, ill-informed and deceptive stories, diseases, illnesses, pestillence etcetera are and/or were not created by God. They are emergent phenomena that came about since the ground was cursed because of Adam eating of the fruit off the forbidden tree. If Jesus heals spiritually and physically, what more proof of God healing, does anyone need more about the power of God to heal, huh?

Now, go ask your head honcho to tell and you learn from him, about how sin got to be found him.

Laughable that you called me a liar but the scripture you quoted actually validated all my points.

Also don't be afraid to use His name. He is not like Yahweh's son that kicks your knee if you call his name.

advocate666:
Laughable that you called me a liar but the scripture you quoted actually validated all my points.

Also don't be afraid to use His name. He is not like Yahweh's son that kicks your knee if you call his name.

I know, you and Satan, your head honcho, know the scriptures very well, but just like to give misleading, ill-informed and deceptive accounts of it

Martinez39:
I am in need of more excuses. MuttleyLaff, is that all you've got? jesusjnr/jesusjnr2, Anas09, Paxonel, Originalkalokalo, shadeyinka etc. won't you come and defend your god?

Please, 39. Do you not know that there are a lot of Christian doctors? I wonder how that's possible going by your reasoning in your op asking us to defend your beans misconception of God that you have managed to create in your own head. And since to you, beans is beans, your beans must be our beans. It's why you'd set up your strawman and ask us to argue that its not made of straw.

This is God, "By the sweat of your face You will eat bread". And not the God you describe above who will come down from heaven and place manna in your unwanting to be fed mouth.

MuttleyLaff:
If she doesn't remember when nor know where she denigrated God with her snide remarks, what can I say or do more?

You can start by shift+deleting yourself from my mentions if you have nothing else relevant to say as regards the topic rather than pointless strawmanning, ad hominems & thought-terminating cliches.

IAmSabrina:
You can start by shift+deleting yourself from my mentions if you have nothing else relevant to say as regards the topic rather than pointless strawmanning, ad hominems & thought-terminating cliches.

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Abi, to raise peniis nobi by force nau

MuttleyLaff:
Good riddance to bad rubbish. Abi, to raise peniis nobi by force nau

Lol. Indeed

Uyi168:

Do you sincerely think that there was no cure for syphilis before the 1940's ?

IAmSabrina:

Instead of waiting, why can't the supposedly omnibenevolent God, after witnessing the distressing situation, simply direct man to the seed of the oak tree instead of watching man fail after every attempt?

I'm sorry but i fail to understand how an all-loving God would, in the first place, permit the existence of evil in a world he created.

Apparently, there's nothing like an all loving and benevolent God.
Love is human idea.

Akdegreat:
Apparently, there's nothing like an all loving and benevolent God.
Love is human idea.

Love actually is God, it really is a God idea. Do you know that the Greeks understood and defined love in at the most nine different ways and I can add one more with "tough love" to make it ten

Akdegreat:


Apparently, there's nothing like an all loving and benevolent God.
Love is human idea.

God is love

Akdegreat:


Apparently, there's nothing like an all loving and benevolent God.
Love is human idea.

God is a human idea

Funaki:
God is a human idea

Why are you disappointing God with this kind of attitude

MuttleyLaff:
Why are you disappointing God with this kind of attitude

how am I disappointing God? What we know of him was what we were told by other men. Men in different culture have their own version of what God should be. Even among people of the same religion, we have many sects with different doctrines.

Martinez39:
Despite the bible talking about Yahweh being capable of healing and his promises to answer prayers of faith, many christians still can't bring themselves to put these in practice when shit hits the fan in life. Many, within them, know that the promises of Yahweh to heal the sick, who ask with faith, are laughable but since they want to keep on believing, they resolve the cognitive dissonance with illogical excuses such as "god is not a magician," "doctors and nurses are god provisions for healing" etc. in other to obviate their responsibility of embracing the miraculous as christians.

One of these illogical excuses that I want to address is "doctors and nurses are god provisions for healing." When christians use this line, what they mean is "Yahweh doesn't heal anyone directly instead the only way he heals is through doctors and nurses." They cleverly do this because, within them, they know that the miraculous healing is βullshit but they want to keep on believing. They try to absolve themselves of the responsibility to believe and practice faith healing instead of going to hospital. Does this excuse really make sense? No it doesn't. To use such excuse means you indirectly admit that Yahweh, being all powerful, can't properly implement appropriate solutions to problems or is plain wicked.

If Yahweh can provide healing for those who ask in faith, why leave them in the hands of doctors and nurses? Doctors and nurses are not perfect and can make mistakes that can be fatal at times. Medicine doesn't have solutions to certain ailments but Yahweh supposedly does, then why make medicine his only provision for healing when he can use his raw power? If medical science, not his raw power, is the only provision for healing then such provision is not sufficient for cancer patients, people with Lesch-Nyhan Syndrome, AIDS patients, the with ebola hemorrhagic fever etc. People with these end up dying. So why make medicine the only possible way when Yahweh could have used his raw power? With his allegedly raw power, these difficulties in medicine would be avoided and no one would die.

Does it make sense for Yahweh to ignore his perfect efficient power and opt for the imperfect and evolving medical science? Does this not make him an unintelligent god incapable of making sound choices? If he is perfectly sane and intelligent, does this not make him psychopathic? Why ignore your raw power that has a cure to all diseases for medical science that is limited in proffering solutions to many deadly illnesses? In many cases of manageable illnesses, the patients go through daily discomfort and spend money when this would not have been the case if Yahweh had made his raw power the provision for healing instead of the imperfect medical science. What about cases of mentally ill people who are confined to the psychiatric wards? Which would have helped them better, medical science or Yahweh's raw power(assume it exists as the bible claims)? Is this a foolish god or a psychopath? If he is sane and perfect in intellect, then he is wicked to watch people suffer and die when he could have used his raw power.

Before anti-malarial drugs were discovered, millions of children and adults died from malaria and there was nothing medical science, the provision of God for healing, could do but had god made his raw power the provision, such would not have happened. I ask you, do you think it is wise for Yahweh, being all powerful, to make the imperfect medical science his provision of healing when he could have used his raw power? So much for this divine provision of healing that many surgeries are predicted to have slim chances of success but this would not have been the case if Yahweh had used his raw power. He did it in biblical times, why should now be different? Does this make sense to you?

Given all I have stated, we can conclude that for Yahweh to make the imperfect medical science his only provision for healing instead of his raw power, then either he is too dull to proffer apt solutions to problems or he is simply a psychopath. Perhaps, we depend on medical science because it all we've got and there is no god existing.




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it wasnt the place of God to use his supernatural power to heal in the first place.

After God created man from the beginning, these were his specific instruction to man

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them(man), and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth(heal the earth)...

So healing was never the responsibilty of God from the beginning, rather it was man's responsibility. So, medical science and new scientific discoveries of man are God's outermost desire and hope over his supernatural powers to effectively heal this world

But we understood that man failed along the line, therefore God decided temporarily to intervene occationally(not always)pending on when man will get it right, thats why we hear of miracles.

Its like someone manufacture a fan and the fan did not rotate after plugging it to the fuse, so he finds himself using his hand to propel the fan blade and gives it momentum to rotate pending on when the fan picks electricity.

Humans are like the fan while God is the manufacturer.

Humans were ignorant and faulty in the past, but today, they are getting knowledge and understanding.

Today, man is getting almost everything right, there are new medical discoveries and break throughs today, such that God do not really need expenditure of his supernatural powers to intervene any longer. That is, he only comes in when it is necessary, so there are less miracles today

Funaki:
how am I disappointing God? What we know of him was what we were told by other men. Men in different culture have their own version of what God should be. Even among people of the same religion, we have many sects with different doctrines.

You are disapponting God when you are, with your attitudes, doing less well than expected, especially in areas of discovering healing etcetera and squandering the potential He gave you

paxonel:
it wasnt the place of God to use his supernatural power to heal in the first place.

After God created man from the beginning, these were his specific instruction to man

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them(man), and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth(heal the earth)...

So healing was never the responsibilty of God from the beginning, rather it was man's responsibility. So, medical science and new scientific discoveries of man are God's outermost desire and hope over his supernatural powers to effectively heal this world

But we understood that man failed along the line, therefore God decided temporarily to intervene occationally(not always)pending on when man will get it right, thats why we hear of miracles.

Its like someone manufacture a fan and the fan did not rotate after plugging it to the fuse, so he finds himself using his hand to propel the fan blade and gives it momentum to rotate pending on when the fan picks electricity.

Humans are like the fan while God is the manufacturer.

Humans were ignorant and faulty in the past, but today, they are getting knowledge and understanding.

Today, man is getting almost everything right, there are new medical discoveries and break throughs today, such that God do not really need expenditure of his supernatural powers to intervene any longer. That is, he only comes in when it is necessary, so there are less miracles today

don't u think it was necessary for him to come in during the Epothian air crased?

paxonel:
it wasnt the place of God to use his supernatural power to heal in the first place.

After God created man from the beginning, these were his specific instruction to man

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them(man), and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth(heal the earth)...

So healing was never the responsibilty of God from the beginning, rather it was man's responsibility. So, medical science and new scientific discoveries of man are God's outermost desire and hope over his supernatural powers to effectively heal this world

But we understood that man failed along the line, therefore God decided temporarily to intervene occationally(not always)pending on when man will get it right, thats why we hear of miracles.

Its like someone manufacture a fan and the fan did not rotate after plugging it to the fuse, so he finds himself using his hand to propel the fan blade and gives it momentum to rotate pending on when the fan picks electricity.

Humans are like the fan while God is the manufacturer.

Humans were ignorant and faulty in the past, but today, they are getting knowledge and understanding.

Today, man is getting almost everything right, there are new medical discoveries and break throughs today, such that God do not really need expenditure of his supernatural powers to intervene any longer. That is, he only comes in when it is necessary, so there are less miracles today

I could accept this explanation but for the fact that god permitted these evils to exist in the first place

IAmSabrina:
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paxonel:
it wasnt the place of God to use his supernatural power to heal in the first place.

Wow. God, being god, can determine his responsibilities and I don't see any reason why he would withhold his supernatural healing power from the suffering christians who have asked in faith. Besides, the bible says that the prayer of faith shall heal the sick.

After God created man from the beginning, these were his specific instruction to man

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them(man), and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth(heal the earth)...

Dishonest and lying Paxonel. You are so dishonest that I created a thread about you using my previous moniker. To replenish the earth doesn't mean to heal the earth, it simply means that they should multiply. You lied on purpose, shameless liar.
Genesis 1:28 New International Version (NIV)
²⁸ "God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

Genesis 1:28 King James Version (KJV)
²⁸ "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

According to that verse, man will be fruitful and multiply and as a result of that, they shall fill up the earth with their kind. That's what "replenish" meant there. Shameless liar. Dishonest Paxonel. That verse never said it's man's responsibility to HEAL himself. To say it's the responsibility of man is to make the an excuse similar to the one I dismantled in my OP.

So healing was never the responsibilty of God from the beginning, rather it was man's responsibility. So, medical science and new scientific discoveries of man are God's outermost desire and hope over his supernatural powers to effectively heal this world

Your deduction is baseless as I have shown. God can determine his responsibility and as god, he answers to no one. So what's stopping him from making his supernatural power available for healing? Why choose medicine instead of his supernatural power? Why make it the responsibility of man "that's doomed to fail" when he could perfectly take on the responsibility? You are not making sense.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

But we understood that man failed along the line, therefore God decided temporarily to intervene occationally(not always)pending on when man will get it right, thats why we hear of miracles.

As a god who could see the future, why make it the responsibility of man "that's doomed to fail" when he could perfectly take on the responsibility? You are not making sense. So miracles occur when man gets it right? Okay, tell me how man can get it right.

Its like someone manufacture a fan and the fan did not rotate after plugging it to the fuse, so he finds himself using his hand to propel the fan blade and gives it momentum to rotate pending on when the fan picks electricity.

Fans are inanimate and can't be guilty of disobedience and other sins. If you make a fan and it's not working, you are not a good designer and engineer. If you have to rotate the fan blades with your hands instead of fixing it like an electrician, you are not wise.

Humans are like the fan while God is the manufacturer.

Irrational analogy as I have shown.

Humans were ignorant and faulty in the past, but today, they are getting knowledge and understanding.

According to you, god made it the responsibility of man who were ignorant and faulty in the past. Why did he do that if he is sensible? How can a moral and wise god leave people who are ignorant and faulty to combat terrible diseases? Our ignorance of the cure of malaria in the past led to the death of hundreds of millions of people in the past. TODAY, our ignorance of the cure of certain cancers has seen millions dying from cancer every decade. Tell me how wise your god is and how rational your arguments are.

Today, man is getting almost everything right, there are new medical discoveries and break throughs today, such that God do not really need expenditure of his supernatural powers to intervene any longer. That is, he only comes in when it is necessary, so there are less miracles today.

But in the past when man didn't get almost everything right, did he intervene? No. Even now, millions of people are still dying and suffering from various terminal diseases and you tell me god doesn't need to intervene any longer. You are a joker.

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Funaki:
how am I disappointing God? What we know of him was what we were told by other men. Men in different culture have their own version of what God should be. Even among people of the same religion, we have many sects with different doctrines.

Why limit yourself to "what you already know", or what "Men of different culture" told you? Can you not read the book? Oh! I get it. It's a big book. Then some ignorant 'Christians' will be arguing with a fool.

I shake my head at you 'Christians'. I shake my head at you.

Martinez39:
Wow. God, being god, can determine his responsibilities and I don't see any reason why he would withhold his supernatural healing power from the suffering christians who have asked in faith.

And since they have "asked in faith" , according to you, they should be healed by the "supernatural healing power from the suffering".

1. Have they asked in faith?
2. Which faith meter did you measure their faith with?
3. Are none ever healed?

P.s. I love my doctor.

budaatum:

Why limit yourself to "what you already know, or what "Men of different culture" told you? Can you not read the book? Oh! I get it. It's a big book. Then some ignorant 'Christians' will be arguing with a fool.

I shake my head at you 'Christians'. I shake my head at you.

I have read the book, if you are referring to the bible. And by the way, it is still part of "what men told you". The book did not fall from heaven. It was written by men too.

Martinez39:
Wow. God, being god, can determine his responsibilities and I don't see any reason why he would withhold his supernatural healing power from the suffering christians who have asked in faith. Besides, the bible says that the prayer of faith shall heal the sick.

he is God does not mean that he will do supernatural miracles to satisfy the unrealistic desires of christians or any man. I mean, he will never build castles in the air for christians or any man simply because they have faith and he has the supernatural power to do so. If any christian is expecting that, then he is yet to know Gods position his role in humans scheme of things.

Dishonest and lying Paxonel. You are so dishonest that I created a thread about you using my previous moniker.

and you ended up not proving to even your fellow atheists that i was dishonest.
Witchcraft or juju or blood money do not exist, we all agreed on that

To replenish the earth doesn't mean to heal the earth, it simply means that they should multiply. You lied on purpose, shameless liar.
Genesis 1:28 New International Version (NIV)
²⁸ "God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

Genesis 1:28 King James Version (KJV)
²⁸ "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

According to that verse, man will be fruitful and multiply and as a result of that, they shall fill up the earth with their kind. That's what "replenish" meant there. Shameless liar. Dishonest Paxonel. That verse never said it's man's responsibility to HEAL himself. To say it's the responsibility of man is to make the an excuse similar to the one I dismantled in my OP.

you funny o
What kinda atheist are you?
I thoughts atheists were suppose to read between lines and be knowledgeable?

So, after humans are fruitful and have multiply and filled the earth with their kind what next? Is it not to replenish the earth?
what is the difference between the word REPLENISH and the word HEAL in the context of that scripture?
You want to teach me bible abi ?

See atheist who has never read bible want to teach a christian bible, you get mind o

Let me ask you a practical question, if one the animals in the garden of Eden fell sick and Adam plucked herbs from a tree to cure the sick animal, what is he doing?
Is he not replenishing the health of the animal?
How is replenishing different from healing in that situation?
When i told you, leave bible for christians, the book is not for atheists like you, you will not hear, see am now.

So what's stopping him from making his supernatural power available for healing?

Because he is God, he created humans in his image and likeness, he can do and undo. He can choose to heal, he can choose not to, no one can force him to show his supernatural power.
Having said he created humans in his image and likeness that is an alternative.
In his image and likeness, we we have the brain to invent technology and synthesize drugs what else do you want?

Why choose medicine instead of his supernatural power?

medicine or supernatural power we are still acheiving the same result which is healing, one should be ok with the healing which is the end, and not looking at the means at which the healing is achieved.

Why make it the responsibility of man "that's doomed to fail"

if man fails he has the option of trying again, certainly he will get it right someday.

when he could perfectly take on the responsibility? You are not making sense.

like i said before, miracles only when it is necessary.
You dont expect God to help africans do miracles when other developed nations have a nearly perfect medical system working for them, let africans go and learn what these developed nations have learnt, that is the position of God.
God is not bias.

[color=#000099] [i] "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able, Then he is not omnipotent.

that argument does not follow! He was willing and able to prevent evil to come upon job. But he was more willing to prove to satan that job can still worship him inspite his situation. I mean, there were other people on earth who never had the same problems job had, that tells you that job on his side was careless thats why the problem came, not really that God wanted it to be so to him.

Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?

i dont think that even a christian child does not know where evil came from.
Let me bring this parable of Jesus christ.
Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Matthew 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Put it this way, his enemy brought the evil not him.

So, the battle or contest is between God and his enemy(The satan or antagonist) not between God and man.
If you are man and you find yourself fighting against God, then you are fighting the wrong battle.

As a god who could see the future, why make it the responsibility of man "that's doomed to fail"

once again you are very wrong with that assumption that man is doomed to fail!
God wanted man to be on his side thats why he gave him the responsibility, even satan knows he cannot defeat man when man begins to know everything(because knowledge is power)even if God is not assisting with his supernatural powers

You are not making sense. So miracles occur when man gets it right?

no, absence of miracles shows that man is getting it right

Okay, tell me how man can get it right.

Education!
Only through education (formal or informal)

Fans are inanimate and can't be guilty of disobedience and other sins. If you make a fan and it's not working, you are not a good designer and engineer. If you have to rotate the fan blades with your hands instead of fixing it like an electrician, you are not wise.

now you are reasoning along.
The same vain, the only way God could fix man was to send Jesus to come and resque man which he did. Otherwise, man was fit to be dumped as trash like a spoilt fan. Matthew 13:28

But in the past when man didn't get almost everything right, did he intervene? No. Even now, millions of people are still dying and suffering from various terminal diseases and you tell me god doesn't need to intervene any longer.

who said he did not intervene?
What were the miracles of opening the red sea for the israelites to go through, and the fall of jerico and providing maner(food) from the clouds and all the miracles jesus did which were recorded in the bible meant for?
Like í told you before, all those miracle ways of doing things are old, we dont need them anymore .
What we need is knowledge and understanding.
If any nation have their citizens suffering from poverty and terminal diseases this modern day, let their government set up affordable education and health care system which is working, and not lazily waiting for miracles from God, its as simple as that

paxonel:
he is God does not mean that he will do supernatural miracles to satisfy the unrealistic desires of christians or any man. I mean, he will never build castles in the air for christians or any man simply because they have faith and he has the supernatural power to do so. If any christian is expecting that, then he is yet to know Gods position his role in humans scheme of things.
and you ended up not proving to even your fellow atheists that i was dishonest.
Witchcraft or juju or blood money do not exist, we all agreed on that
you funny o
What kinda atheist are you?
I thoughts atheists were suppose to read between lines and be knowledgeable?

So, after humans are fruitful and have multiply and filled the earth with their kind what next? Is it not to replenish the earth?
what is the difference between the word REPLENISH and the word HEAL in the context of that scripture?
You want to teach me bible abi ?

See atheist who has never read bible want to teach a christian bible, you get mind o

Let me ask you a practical question, if one the animals in the garden of Eden fell sick and Adam plucked herbs from a tree to cure the sick animal, what is he doing?
Is he not replenishing the health of the animal?
How is replenishing different from healing in that situation?
When i told you, leave bible for christians, the book is not for atheists like you, you will not hear, see am now.
Because he is God, he created humans in his image and likeness, he can do and undo. He can choose to heal, he can choose not to, no one can force him to show his supernatural power.
Having said he created humans in his image and likeness that is an alternative.
In his image and likeness, we we have the brain to invent technology and synthesize drugs what else do you want?
medicine or supernatural power we are still acheiving the same result which is healing, one should be ok with the healing which is the end, and not looking at the means at which the healing is achieved.
if man fails he has the option of trying again, certainly he will get it right someday.
like i said before, miracles only when it is necessary.
You dont expect God to help africans do miracles when other developed nations have a nearly perfect medical system working for them, let africans go and learn what these developed nations have learnt, that is the position of God.
God is not bias.
that argument does not follow! He was willing and able to prevent evil to come upon job. But he was more willing to prove to satan that job can still worship him inspite his situation. I mean, there were other people on earth who never had the same problems job had, that tells you that job on his side was careless thats why the problem came, not really that God wanted it to be so to him.

Replenish in that vaerse is not to heal. It is used in other places in the original hebrew text. It means to fill.

Strong's #4390: male' (pronounced maw-lay')

or malae (Esth. 7:5) {maw-law'}; a primitive root, to fill or (intransitively) be full of, in a wide application (literally and figuratively):--accomplish, confirm, + consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, X draw, give in, go) full(-ly, -ly set, tale), (over-)flow, fulness, furnish, gather (selves, together), presume, replenish, satisfy, set, space, take a (hand-)full, + have wholly.

It was used in:

Genesis 1:22: "them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl"
when God created the animals

Genesis 6:11: "before God, and the earth was filled with violence."
Genesis 6:13: "before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold,"
during Noah's time and men were wicked

Genesis 25:24: "And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb."
Genesis 26:15: "his father, the Philistines had stopped them, and filled them with earth."
Rebekah and Isaac

It doesn't mean to heal as you implied

Funaki:


I have read the book, if you are referring to the bible. And by the way, it is still part of "what men told you". The book did not fall from heaven. It was written by men too.

You obviously have your own 'doctrines' too, as in, your own opinion about what God is or should do, but why do you assume your 'doctrine' is everyone else's doctrine and understanding? Is your beans my beans perhaps, according to you, so you need not bother asking about my beans?

All books are written by human beings, but reading it is not "what they told you", since what you understand depends on your ability to comprehend and understand which is the reason people of the same religion have different doctrines.

I admit, most Christians, will indeed tell you their doctrines, which they'll claim is not a religion but a way of life, are the only God pleasing doctrines and they got them from the Bible, but if you indeed read the book yourself and understand you'd know the blind were not cured of lameness nor did the deaf receive sight, the lame were not cleaned, and the leper did not receive the cure of blindness. Each received what they came looking for. Then some poor lot got "taught" (and not indoctrinated, according to your 'doctrine'), and were blessed.

If you understand, Funaki, you too will be [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+4%3A6-7&version=KJV]favoured by the Lord[/url].

IAmSabrina:

I could accept this explanation but for the fact that god permitted these evils to exist in the first place

what will you have him do, to eradicate evil with his supernatural power when humans can do the eradication themselves?

IAmSabrina:

I could accept this explanation but for the fact that god permitted these evils to exist in the first place

what will you have him do, to eradicate evil with his supernatural power when humans can do the eradication themselves?

Then why did he create humans in the first place if not for them to help eradicate evil?

budaatum:

You obviously have your own 'doctrines' too, as in, your own opinion about what God is or should do, but why do you assume your 'doctrine' is everyone else's doctrine and understanding? Is your beans my beans perhaps, according to you, so you need not bother asking about my beans?

All books are written by human beings, but reading it is not "what they told you", since what you understand depends on your ability to comprehend and understand which is the reason people of the same religion have different doctrines.

I admit, most Christians, will indeed tell you their doctrines, which they'll claim is not a religion but a way of life, are the only God pleasing doctrines and they got them from the Bible, but if you indeed read the book yourself and understand you'd know the blind were not cured of lameness nor did the deaf receive sight, the lame were not cleaned, and the leper did not receive the cure of blindness. Each received what they came looking for. Then some poor lot got "taught" (and not indoctrinated, according to your 'doctrine'), and were blessed.

If you understand, Funaki, you too will be [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+4%3A6-7&version=KJV]favoured by the Lord[/url].

guy, when did you become a preacher?
By the way, Christians are quick to say "you did not read with understanding " or "You don't have the holy spirit, that's why you don't understand". I have used those lines before too . What were we talking about? it seems I've digressed.

budaatum:

And since they have "asked in faith" , according to you, they should be healed by the "supernatural healing power from the suffering".

According to the bible, the prayer of faith shall heal the sick and declaration of faith can move mountain.
JAMES 5:15 King James Bible
"And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him."

MATTHEW 7:7 King James Bible
⁷ "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. ⁸ For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."

JOHN 14:13 King James Bible
"And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."

... and the killer

MARK 11:24 King James Bible
"Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them."

1. Have they asked in faith?

Yes. If you think they've not, tell me how you know that? I ask you Buda, even if they have faith, can a prayer of faith heal the sick?

2. Which faith meter did you measure their faith with?

The bible never said have faith to a certain quantity. The bible said people should just have faith. According to the bible, a "drop" of faith is sufficient to move mountains.
MATTHEW 17:20 King James Bible
"And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; AND NOTHING SHALL BE IMPOSSIBLE UNTO YOU.

3. Are none ever healed?

None. If you disagree, show me a case of anyone that has healed by faith.

P.s. I love my doctor.

You have to, it's for your own good. I don't see why this information is relevant to the discussion.

GreatResearcher:

don't u think it was necessary for him to come in during the Epothian air crased?

it was not necessary!
You dont expect spiritual intervention on human errors.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Boeing 737 max was human error

paxonel:
what will you have him do, to eradicate evil with his supernatural power when humans can do the eradication themselves?

Then why did he create humans in the first place if not for him to help eradicate evil?

Where cometh evil? Who created evil? With our fight against evil and suffering, we are still limited and our limitations have seen billions suffer and die for terminal diseases. Would it not be moral for an all powerful being to step in an take responsibility? Why is it sensible to live it in the hands of man when he can take it responsibility and achieve much better results?

You keep saying nonsense.

Funaki:


Replenish in that vaerse is not to heal. It is used in other places in the original hebrew text. It means to fill.

Strong's #4390: male' (pronounced maw-lay')

or malae (Esth. 7:5) {maw-law'}; a primitive root, to fill or (intransitively) be full of, in a wide application (literally and figuratively):--accomplish, confirm, + consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, X draw, give in, go) full(-ly, -ly set, tale), (over-)flow, fulness, furnish, gather (selves, together), presume, replenish, satisfy, set, space, take a (hand-)full, + have wholly.

It was used in:

Genesis 1:22: "them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl"
when God created the animals

Genesis 6:11: "before God, and the earth was filled with violence."
Genesis 6:13: "before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold,"
during Noah's time and men were wicked

Genesis 25:24: "And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb."
Genesis 26:15: "his father, the Philistines had stopped them, and filled them with earth."
Rebekah and Isaac

It doesn't mean to heal as you implied

whats the product of violence?
Is it not destruction, and sometimes people will sustain injury?
If injury is sustained what next, is it not hospital.
When doctors treat injury are they not healing.

Your mind have to be very dynamic when you read bible.

Replenishing the earth implies repair the earth, heal the earth.
Ofcourse, every human who sustain injury through violence are part of the earth so what are we talking?