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Pastor Kingsley Okonkwo Laments 'Level Of Nudity' In Weddings / Pastor Adeboye Condemns #SilhouetteChallenge And Online Nudity / Lust Is A Common Problem For Many Christians Nowadays. What Next, After Lust. (2) (3) (4)
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Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by MuttleyLaff: 4:32pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
MeetDx: Emmaxx: jesusjnr:jesusjnr, it is better to speak your mind and tell the truth than to remain mute or silent and lie to yourself. Don't be afraid to speak your mind. Never be afraid to speak your mind, God gave you one for a reason. Speak your mind and fear less the label of "madcap" than the stigma of conformity. Kids can easily be forgiven being afraid of the dark, the bad and ugly; but it becomes a real tragedy of life, when grown arse men like you jesusjnr, are afraid to talk of the light. jesusjnr, I earlier said, since you seem to cocksure know what you are talking about, then please and kindly in a way that a two year old can understand, and this is particularly, if at all, you really do know, tell and explain to us, what the serpent was before it got transformed into a snake and why you insist that the serpent wasnt humanoid before it was cursed to crawl on its belly after deceiving Eve and Adam to disobey God Would have doffed my hat to you and said, what a fearless guy, knowing that you are scared shitting your pants replying to those two questions repeated above but you still went ahead answering them and not avoiding them or giving them a wide berth 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by BookEditor(m): 5:13pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU: Very true. Very wrong teaching indeed. Everybody wants to be a teacher. If you don't understand the word of the Lord, don't teach it and don't appoint yourself a teacher and start teaching wrong concepts and misleading people. All the OP's teachings from the beginning of this thread are completely wrong and questionable. |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Image123(m): 5:14pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
jesusjnr: I don't think you understood what I said. i explained adaptation to the other fellow. Adaptation is getting used to something, all living things adapt, it's characteristic. That's what happens where people are not civilized and are living unclothed. That's what happens in sin parties (if you know what that means). It's not like there's no lust there that they don't seem aroused. It's a similar case with someone working in the morgue or even a man doctor. They're adapted to it. It is different from lust. That's what i pointed out to the fellow talking about ancestors. You can also talk without having to get unduly or unnecessarily personal like talking about people's family. Control and respect yourself if you don't have fruits. 1 Like |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by BookEditor(m): 5:17pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
jesusjnr: You are wrong op. This is based on your own human knowledge, thinking and mind manipulations. Pornography is the problem also, not just lust alone. Stop teaching what you don't understand just so that people can praise you. Very wrong teaching indeed. Everybody wants to be a teacher. If you don't understand the word of the Lord, don't teach it and don't appoint yourself a teacher and start teaching wrong concepts and misleading people. All your teachings from the beginning of this thread are completely wrong and questionable. |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Nobody: 5:18pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
Emmaxx:I would just explain it to you and you can confirm it for yourself. Now Adam was married to Eve right? And these summed up his attitude towards his wife before lust "bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh", while these summed up his attitude towards his wife after lust, "the woman you gave me" Can you notice the difference? Now i just did this so that you be able to see the damage and hostility that lust could bring to a marriage, for although she was yet his wife but his attitude towards the same woman changed from one of love, respect and friendship to that of hostility, disregard and hatred. Now imagine that Adam had other women available for him to chose from as those of this day do, what do you think would have happened to that marriage, but divorce or adultery etc., as it usually is the case today even among married church leaders, and it would have been the consequence of lust. When Jesus would say that 'he that looks upon a woman to lust after her in his heart, has committed adultery with her in his heart', He very well knew what He was talking about, for lust was never meant to be a factor in marriage, when God first created Adam and Eve. So the lesser the extent of lust in a marriage as God intended for it to be in the beginning, the better it is for the marriage. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Image123(m): 5:24pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
jesusjnr: You cannot commit adultery with your wife, duh. You can't commit idolatry by bowing to God. You cannot steal your own property. Are you a kid. Every pornographic picture, film, movie, actor, director knows that unclothedness and its suggestions feed lust. It is a wonder that you don't know this and will claim to have the Holy Spirit of wisdom. 1 Like |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Nobody: 5:42pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
BookEditor:I've heard your own opinion of my teachings here concerning lust and nudity, now you should hear what I think of your own opinion. I think you are entitled to your own opinion just as i am entitled to mine, but in my own opinion your opinion is a product of the extent of your spiritual blindness and ignorance, hence your highly erroneous judgment of my opinion to this extent. Thank God it's not up to you to determine who is qualified to teach God's Word, otherwise someone as Jesus who taught that "any man who looks upon a woman to lust after her, has already committed adultery in his heart" would not qualify to teach. Maybe you are happy with the extent of lust in the society where people are raping babies and little children all over the place, and you think that it's because of nudity? Lust is the problem, and if you can't see it, then that should reveal to you the extent of your blindness. 1 Like |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by BookEditor(m): 5:52pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
jesusjnr: Lust and nudity and Pornography are the problem. Not lust alone. Don't focus only on lust. Are you trying to say women should open their bodies and dress any how as they do now because it's only when you lust after them that you will look at them? Pornography leads to lust because the eyes are attracted to and moved by what they see. That's what I said. Stop teaching what you don't understand. You can never know everything. If truly you're a man of God as you claim, you will not use the above words for me. If truly you're doing the work of God, you won't even attack anyone who criticizes you. Stop twisting my words. The problem is not lust alone. Both Pornography, nudity and lust are not good. |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Nobody: 6:06pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
Image123:Didn't even realize that this image123 was the same lust "adaptation" moniker. Let someone ask image123 when I ever said someone can commit adultery with his wife? You are really adapting to your spiritual blindness and ignorance, Lol! A man can lust after his wife, that's why a man can rape his own wife, or tell me can a man not rape his own wife, even though he is married to her? Maybe such a "rape" would also be called adaptation to you, as you seem to see everything via your adaptation lenses. You are gloating over your extent of ignorance, for you don't even know that lust cannot be fed, if there's no lust to feed. You can learn more from the thread provided below to see if you could adapt your erroneous mentality to the truth, for there you would be able to see that what you know concerning lust is indeed ignorance compared to what has been revealed to me by the Spirit of Truth, for it's not by noise making but person wey pass you, pass you. https://www.nairaland.com/5119713/say-no-spread-lust-virus 1 Like |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Nobody: 6:08pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
BookEditor:You guys are really amazing oh! How many times have you heard leaders of the church focus on lust as Jesus the Master of the church did? For all you hear is dressing, dressing, dressing, even the minor thing but people as yourself don't have any issues with it, as it tallies with your mindset and inclinations. And then someone comes and emphasize lust which is the root cause as Jesus would if He were here and you guys would have issues with it, and want to denounce the message, and the messenger? Speaks volumes of the kinds of people you really are, and your priorities, for you guys don't care about following the teachings of the Master as i have done, and to really address the issues of sexual immorality which without lust, wouldn't be an issue. So if by teaching concerning lust as Jesus would have done had He been here, I would not be qualified to teach God's Word in your sight, then that consequently disqualifies your judgment as not of God, but of men. |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Image123(m): 6:13pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
[quote author=jesusjnr post=77539544][/quote] 1Pe 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men. 1 Like |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Emotionss: 8:06am On Apr 15, 2019 |
[color=#006600][/color] OLAADEGBU: How can you lust after your wife ? You don't lust after your wife . you DESIRE your wife. Lust are for those you have ONLY sexual feelings for. 1 Like |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:17am On Apr 15, 2019 |
Emotionss: What will you call it if a husband happens to rape his wife, desire? ![]() |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Emotionss: 8:22am On Apr 15, 2019 |
[color=#006600][/color] OLAADEGBU: NO RIGHT THINKING man will ever think of rapping his wife. For a man to do such shows that something is wrong with him Both mentally and emotionally. 1 Like |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Nobody: 11:16am On Apr 15, 2019 |
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Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Image123(m): 11:51am On Apr 15, 2019 |
jesusjnr: Who is this, your twin? You said and i quote. When Jesus would say that 'he that looks upon a woman to lust after her in his heart, has committed adultery with her in his heart', He very well knew what He was talking about, for lust was never meant to be a factor in marriage, when God first created Adam and Eve. Your post implies that since the fall, there is lust inside marriage, and you quoted Jesus talking about lust leading to adultery. If that is not what you mean, then you need to work on ability to pass across your message, or on your grammar. BTW, i did not explain about adaptation to lust but about adaptation to nudity/unclothedness. Except you have now reversed to say that lust=nudity. You're one confused fellow. 1 Like |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Nobody: 12:21pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Image123:As confused as you say that I am, you seem to be even more confused than I am, for I asked you a simple question when did i say that a man lusting after his wife has committed adultery? And you went ahead boldly provide my quoting of Jesus saying, to prove that I said so, even though Jesus Himself did not even say so. So maybe now my quoting of you, means i am the one that said what you said, but what is even the point of what you're saying? If you had judged me for saying that a man could lust after his wife, i'd be guilty as charged and raise my hands up, because that was the exact point I made there in order to prove that lust is not perfect even in marriage, as it could damage things, and Jesus saying to denounce all forms of lust, even that which is of the heart, justified that position. But of course you are so desperate to pin your figment upon me that I said that a man could commit adultery with his wife, so rejoice and be glad in your confusion. p.s. The conclusion of the matter on all your adaptation ideas is that it is simply an endorsement of lust. |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Nobody: 1:10pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Pentasoft1978:Speaking of misinterpretations to suite your faulty mindset, if not tell me where any thing was said about the woman putting on clothes or not! Maybe you think it's only a naked woman that can be lusted after. Thank God though that in spite of your blatantly erroneous misinterpretations of the teachings of Jesus, that you cannot change the teachings of Jesus itself, for if not, the teachings of Jesus would have been turned up side down by now. Without lust, nudity is nothing. |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:18pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Emotionss: Well said. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Image123(m): 9:05pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
jesusjnr: SMH, you need God to help you. 1 Like |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Nobody: 9:28pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Image123:Maybe the god that has helped you to adapt to lust! SMH too! |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Image123(m): 9:54pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
jesusjnr: Evidently among what you need help for is comprehension. You are deliberately twisting what i said? Do you think God saw that? Oh, you believe in God? My bad. 1 Like |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Nobody: 10:25pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Image123:Adaption To Lust!!!! |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Nobody: 10:42pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
femarse:It's a good things that you could agree with the bottom line, unlike most church folks who think otherwise that the problem is nudity. Having said that though, I can't seem to understand why my emphasizing the main issue behind sexual immorality means that I am insinuating that people should be nude and not dressed up? For people don't seem to have any issues when dressing is overemphasized in my own opinion, being the minor issue, for they don't see it as an endorsement of lust. But when someone emphasizes what needs to be emphasized, even lust as Jesus had done, then they would all be up in arms, as though someone is endorsing nudity. I don't agree with you concerning lust being a factor in every ones life, for was it also a factor in Jesus life? In other words did Jesus ever lust even in His heart after any woman? Even if He is not among those you meant, so does it mean that no man can truly be like Him in that respect? I don't think so because if that was the case then Jesus would have never given such a commandment, for the intent is to make man perfect as the Father is, and also as He was when He was lived as man on earth. And if it is not possible to keep it, then He would never have given it. Lust obviously can never be eradicated from the world for obvious reasons, but it can be eradicated from the church, at least brought to the nearest minimum if not completely. femarse:Already addressed for to emphasize lust, means someone endorses nudity, but to emphasize dressing doesn't mean that someone endorses lust. At least you see the extent to which you're going to stress the issue of dressing, which I believe you wouldn't have done had I emphasized dressing as is typical of today's Church folks who major on the minor, and minor on the major. femarse:You said God introduced clothing as a stop gap measure, so what did you mean by that? The same God that introduced the stop gap measure, later sent His Son to the world with the permanent solution to the issue if they would observe it, which is not to harbour lust even in one's heart. So did His foolishness stop being wiser than men in that respect that when one follows His instructions and teaches it, that people of the church would oppose it as though it were not of God? Or do you think that men do not lust after women that are fully clothed? Or if you think that nudity is just the problem now, then how come there are yet societies that nudity is a way of life and yet the level of sexual immorality is curtailed and not to the extent it is in societies where people are more dressed up? femarse:This message just like that of Jesus is not meant for those of the world but for those of the church because He knew that they would face such circumstances as long as they are in the world, for they can't dress up the world even though they can dress up themselves. So should they run away from the world because the world is being the world that they are? Jesus gave the solution on how to overcome regardless of what the world chooses to do. femarse:This is besides the point for how many people of the church today inclusive of you make the point that Jesus made while He was putting on clothes here on Earth? And even the point came when Jesus Himself was undressed and crucified naked, so should He not have fulfilled the purpose of His coming to Earth because some people could lust after His body? Lust is really a disease that should never be condoned or endorsed! femarse:Bottom line as Jesus made it clear, nudity is not the issue, but lust, for any power nudity has to cause any damage is caused by lust, so the lesser the lust, the lesser the sexual immorality, even among those of the church. |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Nobody: 10:31am On Apr 16, 2019 |
I just want to say a big thank you to whoever was responsible for this thread getting to front page. I believe that the objective of this effort to address the issue of lust is our society is one that far exceeds any personal differences we might have because of the extent of damage it is having on our society. And you hinted you towed this same line of taught when you yet took it to the front page in spite of my fierce criticism of certain policies here in the religious section that I felt weren't favorable to religion. It's certainly not my style to mention any moderator at the beginning for personal reasons, hence I didn't even do that in this thread, but I feel obligated to appreciate anyone who was responsible for this because this topic is a really big deal to me, and I didn't see this coming at all, especially considering my recent outbursts towards the Nairaland hierarchy. Whatever is achieved from this, even if it's one less raped girl child, i believe it would be worth all this efforts, and credit would go to all those who played a part to make it happen. Thank you! To: Seun, Lalasticlala, Myd44 obiscoppy, ishilove, OAM4J or whomever applicable. |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Nobody: 8:00am On Apr 17, 2019 |
Blame lust not nudity! |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Nobody: 7:46am On Apr 18, 2019 |
Lust is the real problem! |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Nobody: 4:53pm On Apr 19, 2019 |
Let's kill the killer. |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Nobody: 2:22pm On Apr 20, 2019 |
The real problem! |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Nobody: 2:32pm On Apr 22, 2019 |
Lust is a killer virus! |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Nobody: 8:31am On Apr 23, 2019 |
Don't blame it on nudity! |
Re: Lust Is the Problem, Not Nudity, For Without Lust, Nudity Is Nothing by Nobody: 2:42pm On Apr 24, 2019 |
Take the blame for lusting. |
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