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| Are We Missing Something? by GreatResearcher: 5:50pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
Since there is no incontrovertible evidence for supernatural claims, is Muslim and Christian faith merely based on opinions, or are we missing something? |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by greatnaija01: 5:54pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
Evidences that exist may not appeal to your senses, you may need to have an OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE before you can properly diagnose for yourself which one is real or not.... AND F.Y.I even after that many will still NOT believe you. GreatResearcher: |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by Ynsai(m): 6:06pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
Out of body experience kor, out of brain expansion ni. It's either you are dreaming or hallucinating... Don't forget your brain can also play tricks on you base on your belief. 1 Like |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by Funaki: 6:18pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
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| Re: Are We Missing Something? by MrBrownJay1(m): 6:58pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
greatnaija01: [img]https://media1./images/35ea53bbff3fc813f48cd979f71e6efe/tenor.gif[/img] 2 Likes |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by GreatResearcher: 7:05pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
greatnaija01:What are the evidences? |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by greatnaija01: 7:29pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
try finding the body of Jesus Get to Study World History in-depth to confirm that the Earth actually stood still during the time of Joshua read the KORAN to discover that Mohammed died not knowing where he would be, then Study the Bible to see how Jesus Predicted his death and knew exactly all that would happen afterwards. Read through History to find many come and go trying to disprove the credibility of Jesus Christ as the Son of God and how they inevitably failed. GreatResearcher: 1 Like |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by GreatResearcher: 7:32pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
greatnaija01:bunch of people wrote the Bible. There's no proof that those things in the Bible actually happened. |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by greatnaija01: 11:44pm On Apr 13, 2019 |
pls I studied history and there is Proof. Stop justifying your Ignorance and go and take the pain to do research.... you call yourself a great researcher yet I have been to History Professors both here in Naija and abroad that can prove that Jesus is real to you with archaeological facts and dates, most of you hold your beliefs then cling to it without deep research because you are scared of the TRUTH you do not want to find. GreatResearcher: 1 Like |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by GreatResearcher: 12:29am On Apr 14, 2019 |
greatnaija01: The Jesus as we know him - the Jesus of Christianity - definitely did not exist. Most scholars do believe that Jesus was real but the lack of evidence supports the idea that he was invented. No historians of the first century mention Jesus, despite there being authors who write (at length) about Jewish concerns. There are no Roman records that mention Jesus. Not only all that, but, there are no Christian eye-witnesses of Jesus. All of the Gospels are anonymous and written by friends-of-friends, and none are written in the first person; also, Paul (who authored 13 of the 27 books of the NT) never met Jesus, except in a vision. They're also written in very competent Greek (the language of later converts), rather than in Hebrew (the language of the original converts, excepting Paul). Early Christians didn't know when Jesus was born (his birth date wasn't decided for hundreds of years, in 354 CE ) and didn't know where he was buried. People have doubted his existence since the very first century, and, despite the popularity of Christianity, there is a modern resurgence of people who disbelieve in the very existence of Jesus today. The biggest problem facing such unbelievers is accounting for early Christianity. But there are multiple theories as to how Christianity may have arisen without a historical saviour. For example, it is quite possible, given the similarities of Jesus to previous saviour religions and pagan stories about god-men, that the entire story of Jesus is a rewrite, with Jewish undertones, of Roman and pagan myths that were current at the beginning of the first century. |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by GreatResearcher: 12:43am On Apr 14, 2019 |
Jesus Has No History No Primary Source (First-Person) Accounts of Jesus Exist. No historians of the first century mention Jesus. Suetonius (65-135) does not. Pliny the Younger only mentions Christians (Paulists) with no comment of Jesus himself. There were Christians , but they themselves have only heard of Jesus (and didn't know when he was born, or where he was buried). Later on, Tacitus mentions a Jesus, but it is likely that after a century of Christian preaching Tacitus was just reacting to rumours, or probably talking about one of the many other Messiahs of the time. Josephus, a methodical, accurate and dedicated historian of the time mentions John the Baptist, Herod, Pilate and many aspects of Jewish life, in detail, but does not mention Jesus. The lack of evidence led a Christian in the third century to forge the Testimonium Flavianum , in the name of Josephus. The famous Testimonium Flavianum attributed to Josephus certainly did not appear in the edition of Josephus read by Origen in the early third century. Eusebius 'quotes' it as from Josephus, and it appears in manuscripts of Josephus copied after that time. Aside from that, Josephus does once mention a Jesus, but gives no information other than that he is a brother of a James. Jesus was not an unusual name, either. Justus, another Jewish historian who lived in Tiberias (near Kapernaum, a place Jesus frequented according to the NT) did not mention Jesus nor any of his miracles. It is only in the evidence of later writers, writing about earlier times, that we find a Jesus. Prof. Ehrman, an expert in the prime sources of the first century, spells this out: One of the striking and, to many people, surprising facts about the first century is that we don't have any Roman records, of any kind, that attest to the existence of Jesus. We have no birth certificate, no references to his works or deeds, no accounts of his trial, no description of his death - no reference to him whatsoever in any way, shape, or form. Jesus's name is not even mentioned in any Roman source of the first century. But as with the vast majority of all persons who lived and died in the first century, he does not appear in the records of the Roman people. Cc: greatnaija01 |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by GreatResearcher: 12:50am On Apr 14, 2019 |
There Were No Christian Witnesses of Jesus What is more surprising than the lack of first-century references to Jesus is that the gospels themselves do not allude to first-hand historical sources, either. The four Gospels that eventually made it into the New Testament, for example, are all anonymous, written in the third person about Jesus and his companions. None of them contains a first-person narrative ("One day, when Jesus and I went into Capernaum..."  , or claims to be written by an eyewitness or companion of an eyewitness. Why then do we call themMatthew , Mark, Luke and John ? Because sometime in the second century, when proto-orthodox Christians recognized the need for apostolic authorities, they attributed these books to apostles ( Matthew and John ) and close companions of apostles ( Mark, the secretary of Peter; and Luke , the travelling companion of Paul). Most scholars today have abandoned these identifications, and recognize that the books were written by otherwise unknown but relatively well-educated Greek-speaking (and writing) Christians during the second half of the first century. " Lost Christianities " by Bart Ehrman (2003) Ehrman kindly points out that the gospels were not forgeries written by unknown people - they were anonymous, and it was a case of false attribution by Christians later on that was the cause of the misdirection which lasted many hundreds of years. So, none of the four gospels are written by eyewitnesses, and the writings of Paul (which make up nearly half of the total books of the New Testament, 13 of 27) are also the writings of someone who merely had a vision of Jesus but who never met him. This very strange state of affairs indicates that something is wrong with Christian history and some academics have noted that " this astonishingly complete absence of reliable gospel material " tends to support the theory that there never was a historical Jesus. Cc: greatnaija01 |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by GreatResearcher: 12:57am On Apr 14, 2019 |
There is No Evidence for the Story of the Birth of Jesus The stories about Jesus's birth in the Bible are contained in the Books of Matthew and Luke. These two accounts contradict each other in many places . Many elements are certainly untrue. There are no Roman records attesting to the birth (or life) of Jesus. Events such as King Herod's killing of every male child simply did not occupation. None of Herod's enemies mention it, for example, despite their routine documenting of his many misdeeds of a much lesser nature. Also unhistorical is the curious Roman census that required (for what reason?) everyone to go to cities associated with their ancestors. But similar stories are found about previous pagan god-man saviours . Likewise with the Virgin Birth, which has now been shown to simply be a mistranslation deriving from the Septuagint. And what of the 3 wise men who follow the bright star to Jesus' birthplace, bearing gifts? Other star gazers of the time, who meticulously recorded many stellar events, did not notice it. It is a Zoroastrian story, even down to the details of the 3 gifts, copied by Christians and made to be about Jesus. The stories of Jesus' birth are rewrites, modernisations, of previous stories from older pagan myths. These facts have led some scholars to cast doubt on Jesus' entire existence. Cc: greatnaija01 |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by GreatResearcher: 1:06am On Apr 14, 2019 |
There is No Evidence for the Story of the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus The crucifixion story of Jesus Christ is mythical, based on pagan religions, and makes no sense: There is a complete absence of evidence for the events described. No authors mention the phenomenal events that supposedly occurred at the time of Jesus' resurrection and, there are no records of Jesus being crucified in the first place. This is despite there being multiple historians of the time who kept extensive records of events in that era, especially of unusual events and the misdeeds of rulers. The only records we have are those written by Christians themselves. St Paul's letters are the earliest, but he didn't even meet Jesus; and then even the earliest gospels show strong signs of being mythological. Within each of them nearly all details of the crucifixion and resurrection are different. Very important details, such as Jesus' last words, are so different that it appears they are simply being made up. The earliest Christians did not know simple details such as where Jesus was buried. Most of the details of Jesus' death and rebirth are similar to the existing myths surrounding god-men in that era. The similarities to the Christs of other pagan religions are shockingly detailed, so much so that early Church fathers had to defend themselves against pagan critics who said that the stories of Jesus were simply pagan stories with new names. Cc : greatnaija01 |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by GreatResearcher: 1:13am On Apr 14, 2019 |
Where did the Stories About Jesus Come From? The New Testament The hundreds of documents about Jesus, all contradictory in style and content, derived from multiple physical locations. The disparate stories, all of which use pagan and roman myths interwoven with typical Greek god-man stories, hint to us that the entire escapade is the result of historical revisionism. In other words, stories about Jesus spread as a result of a single preacher, perhaps St Paul (who never met Jesus and probably never really met the disciples) and people merely (in typical fashion for the era) rewrote older stories but now put Jesus at the core of them, just as happened with other Roman gods and heroes. Hence, a new religion sprung out of thin air, fooling many into thinking there was an actual historical figure. Once this process had started at the end of the first century, it was already impossible for anyone to go back and verify the stories. Cc: MuttleyLaff greatnaija01 victorian 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by MrBrownJay1(m): 2:44pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
greatnaija01: bro, there may have been a guy named Jesus born around that era, he may have been crucified for some crimes he committed, but i highly doubt there are any proof that this earlier on, some people gathered that it was easy to control people if you gave them some BS story about some "god" in the sky asking them to live a righteous life in order to get to "heaven", and sadly, many deluded people fell for it (and are still falling for it today). you have many of these sects today all around with people claiming exactly that.... check the mormon, church of scientology, krishna, sai baba, universal life etc |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by Dantedasz(m): 4:01pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
GreatResearcher: Good work and well researched. The problem with Christians is their refusal to read the Bible and their refusal to do any research on the Bible. All they rely on is blind faith and emotion. Christianity was a weapon used by the Roman Emperor Constantine and his mother St Helena to subjugate the people of the times. None of the Christ saviour stories are real but weapons of mind control. The cross as a symbol of Christianity was introduced by Helena. People need to think and research these things. Paul who wrote extensively on Christianity NEVER mentioned anything about a virgin birth. The gospel of Mark which was the earliest gospel does not mention any virgin birth. The virgin birth is a latter insertion by the authors of the later written gospels of Luke and Mathew. This virgin birth story was stolen from pagan virgin birth stories of numerous sons of gods that preceded Christianity such as Hermes,Asclepius,Serapis and Zeus. Even the festival of Christmas to commemorate the birth of Jesus was stolen from the Roman pagan sun God Sol Invictus. Even the Resurrection stories were lifted from pagan gods like Osiris,Tammuz,and Adonis. While there might have existed an itinerary teacher called Jesus,it is important to note that the Jesus of the Christian Bible is a clever invention of the Romans. 1 Like 3 Shares |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by Dantedasz(m): 4:11pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
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| Re: Are We Missing Something? by budaatum: 3:41pm On Apr 19, 2019 |
Dantedasz:Amazing! The Romans invented Jesus from all the knowledge they stole from various other gods and cleverly invented Jesus and spread it around the world. I guess the question now is, why they'd bother to provide you a book to learn about it from if their intention was to control you. You did say reading it sets you free! Are you claiming the "clever Romans" were not clever enough to know it would set you free perhaps? 1 Like |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by Dantedasz(m): 4:36pm On Apr 19, 2019 |
budaatum: I have told you before,if you have problems of comprehension I am not the one to help you. You said I said the Bible sets you free? Are you sure you are not mixing me up as someone else? Today is the first day I have been engaged by you and quite honestly it has not been a pleasant experience. 1 Like |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by budaatum: 4:37pm On Apr 19, 2019 |
Dantedasz:That's ok. You experience need not be pleasant. 1 Like |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by Dantedasz(m): 4:45pm On Apr 19, 2019 |
budaatum: You mix things up and come across as if you are confused at what your religious leaning is. I would really appreciate it if you stop mentioning me. Cheers. |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by budaatum: 6:22pm On Apr 19, 2019 |
Dantedasz:Sorry, but no. I'll mention you whenever I want to. If I stop it might leave you believing I'm controllable and we wouldn't want that now would we?. 1 Like |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by Dantedasz(m): 6:50pm On Apr 19, 2019 |
budaatum: It appears you are a cyber pest and a bully. You can go ahead and be obstinate and continue the mentions but I deserve the right to refuse to your silly baiting and your lies. It was certainly not a pleasure meeting you. |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by budaatum: 8:10pm On Apr 19, 2019 |
Dantedasz:Call me whatever you want Dante. Accuse me however you like. 1 Like |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by budaatum: 8:38pm On Apr 19, 2019 |
GreatResearcher:You say it is rewritten from older stories, "derived from multiple physical locations" and "spread as a result of a single preacher". Dante listed the older sources. "Hermes, Asclepius, Serapis and Zeus, the Roman pagan sun God Sol Invictus, Osiris, Tammuz, and Adonis". Some heavy dudes from the past and all over the place evolving into what we've syncretised today wouldn't you think? Why do you think anyone would do such a thing GreatResearcher, make up Jesus and continue to promote him 2000 years later? 1 Like |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by GreatResearcher: 8:13am On Apr 20, 2019 |
budaatum:At first the goal was to keep you in checked and a permanent slave to them. Later they discovered they could make billions from it. BTW where is the great historian greatnaija01? He should visit this thread with his professors facts that Jesus exists. |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by NPComplete: 8:30am On Apr 20, 2019 |
greatnaija01: Why are u Christians on Nairaland such shameless liars? Must u lie about everything? Where in history is your proof that the sun actually stood still during Joshua's time? Mr World History lol. They just lie anyhow and expect us not to notice. Your religion is as equally useless as Islam. So get off your high horse. 1 Like |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by GreatResearcher: 11:03am On Apr 20, 2019 |
NPComplete:lol |
| Re: Are We Missing Something? by budaatum: 9:05pm On Apr 21, 2019 |
GreatResearcher:Could you give a couple of instances of the above please so I fully understand. 1 Like |
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