alBHAGDADI:


Wrong.

Those whom you say didn't hear the gospel but live peacefully also worshiped idols. That's enough to doom them. Attaining Eternal life is by faith in God, nothing else, not by works.

And who told them that idol worship was wrong? Was everyone born a jew? They died centuries before the first missionaries reached our soil..thank God you're not the eternal judge..for the God I know is a God of justice and fairness..

olassy239:
assuming all the death resurrected, where will they live. This our tiny Earth Land Mass, or on The ocean.

Some have estimated the total population throughout all human history at about 15,000,000,000 persons. The earth’s land area is more than 36,000,000,000 acres (15,000,000,000 ha). That would allow more than two acres (1 ha) per person. Not only would this provide space for food production but it would also allow for forests, mountains, and other scenic areas​—with no undue crowding

OpenYourEyes1:


Not all our ancestors served idols though. I believe some with conscience saw the evil of those days and resisted (or fought it). People with conscience are always very few in number but they definitely exist in societies.

Very important pls

alBHAGDADI:
When we tell people today that Jesus is the only way to heaven and that you have to truly believe in him to go there and not end up in hell, they reject our message. They immediately start to make excuses to show that they don't need Jesus. Some of them say they are fine without him because they have their own religion and will make heaven through that way, even when Jesus said he's the way, the truth and the life.

The most ridiculous excuse they give is that if one cannot make heaven without accepting that Jesus Christ as the son of God died, was buried and resurrected after 3 days, then it means all those prophets and Bible characters are in hell right now. They say it's because Jesus was never around when they existed. This excuse makes them think they don't need Jesus and that it is cool to follow any religion so long you acknowledge God. According to them, the people of the Old Testament part of the Bible didn't follow Jesus. This is a wrong understanding of the Bible.

Every righteous man in the Old Testament believed in Jesus Christ who wasn't a character that just surfaced in the New Testament. Jesus has always been right from Genesis when God said "Let us make man in our own image". That was Jesus he was talking to. Jesus was believed by Abel who offered the blood of the lamb as sacrifice which pictured Jesus Christ the Holy Lamb of God slained from the foundation of the world. Revelation 5:9; Revelation 5:12; Revelation 13:8; Isaiah 53:7; John 1:29

Abel simply followed the instructions of God which is to put Faith in the blood of the lamb, but his brother Cain disobeyed and relied on his own effort. He felt he could earn it by doing what he felt was right instead of obeying God's instruction. He went after his own works and God rejected him for that.

Hebrews 11:4
By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

What about Abraham? That man is known as the Father of faith for he had faith in God and it was counted to him for righteousness.

Genesis 15:6
And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

What did Abraham believe God concerning? He believed God when he told him that his seed would be a blessing to the entire world. That seed is Jesus Christ.

Genesis 22:18
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Jesus Christ has been a blessing to the entire world with everybody getting saved through him. If you know that the Old Testament is a a shadow of the New Testament, then you will know that Abraham pictured the relationship between God and Jesus. He did when he wanted to sacrifice his son Isaac, that pictured God sacrificing Jesus for our sins.

Moses was a strong believer in Jesus Christ and also the people of Israel in his days and after, because they all awaited the Messiah which he spoke of and that is Jesus. Sadly enough, the Israelites couldn't recognize the Messiah when he walked in their midst. Even Jesus confirmed Moses believed in him.

John 5:46
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

Jesus wasn't a new testament thing. He was always in the Old Testament, but you were not seeing him. Same way the children of Israel did not notice him when he finally revealed himself to them. If I decided to show you how many times he appeared in the Old Testament, time won't be enough. Have you forgotten how Moses lifted up that serpent as a symbol of Jesus Christ death to free man from sin?

John 13:14
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Have you forgotten how Isaiah prophesied about his birth and death? How David prophesied his resurrection and how he will be seated on God's right hand? How Daniel prophesied his battle against the Antichrist? Yet, some people think the prophets of the Bible can't make heaven since Christians say it is believe in Jesus Christ that gets one there. They think Jesus didn't exist in their days, but below is the Bible saying the prophets were witness of him.

Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

The prophets of old preached about Jesus and people believed, and that believe got them saved. That's why the Bible said...

John 3:16 (KJV)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

How did people get saved before Christ came and died on the cross? They got saved by simply looking forward to the cross. They did animal sacrifices which symbolized the sacrifice Jesus gave of himself. We today get saved by simply looking back on the cross. Because come to think of it, Jesus wasn't crucified today or 5 years ago. He was crucified thousands of years before we were born. We look back to that event same way those that existed thousands of years before he was born and crucified looked forward to the event. We both believed everything written about him and that got us all saved.

Those that existed before the events of the birth, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ are called blessed because they believed in the prophecies written about the events by Prophets. We who exist after the events are also called blessed because we believed the record written by the Apostles about the events. We both didn't witness the events but believed and that's why Jesus himself called us blessed.

John 20:29
blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Were there people who didn't believe Jesus in the Bible? Yes, those Pharisees, Sadducees and the Jews whom they stirred up to kill Jesus. They never believed him that's why they were always arguing with him. Despite him reminding them that Moses wrote of him, they still didn't believe, which shows that they also didn't believe in Moses and the record he wrote.

Are there people who don't believe in Jesus today? Yes they are many. Some even claim they do just to save face, but really they do not. They don't believe he is the Son of God who was crucified, died and resurrected, even when he said so himself.

Mathew 16:21
From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

This means they have rejected Jesus Christ and are therefore condemned already. I didn't say so but the Bible which is the word of God.

John 3:18 (KJV)
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

As seen so far, salvation is by Faith in Jesus Christ. Abraham, Abel and all the prophets had faith in Jesus and were called righteous men. We who believe in Jesus today are called righteous too. Anyone who lacks such faith is doomed. May God save you.

Say this prayer and be rest assured that nothing can ever stop you from making heaven. Nothing at all.

Father God, I put my faith in you. I believe you sent your Son Jesus to die for my sins and to give me his righteousness. I believe he resurrected on the third day and has prepared a place for all those that believe in him. Accept me as your son today and forgive me of all my sins do I can be a partaker of those good things. I believe in you.

Amen.

So the prophets and faithful men of old went to heaven after they died? I like my questions simple so they can be easily answered without dogo turanci

AkpaMgbor:

And who told them that idol worship was wrong? Was everyone born a jew? They died centuries before the first missionaries reached our soil..thank God you're not the eternal judge..for the God I know is a God of justice and fairness..

Those destined to be doomed will be doomed. Just as we have people doomed today, so existed in those days. God already knows his. Mind you, news of the God of Israel was already in Africa. Remember that Ethiopian Eunuch.

Robisky001:
Those that died before the coming of Christ will eventually make heaven only if they believe that he is the Christ the Son of the living God. For after his death, he went to the underworld to proclaim the good news to those under the clutches of Satan.

Wow! So that world is existing right now? I thought it's only in movies.

calddon:
I used the bible to raise and answer questions, how false is that? How does what the Bible clearly says become a doctrine?

I brought certain scriptures alongside thoughts to the attention of the thread, i expected that as believers in Christ that we have a common ground and thus should use the Bible as a basis for clearer understanding.

You choose to attack my choice of worship instead of presenting facts.

.Your choice of worship is wrong and it clearly twists scriptures to say Jesus was just an angel and not God. Yet you want me to believe you when you say no one is in heaven right now, even when Jesus said he goes to prepare a place for us. Keeping allowing GB to fool you.

Robisky001:
Those that died before the coming of Christ will eventually make heaven only if they believe that he is the Christ the Son of the living God. For after his death, he went to the underworld to proclaim the good news to those under the clutches of Satan.

nawaoo which one be underworld again...how many world do we have..where does d bible mention underworld i think u should back up ur claims with biblical proofs haba

OpenYourEyes1:


Not all our ancestors served idols though. I believe some with conscience saw the evil of those days and resisted (or fought it). People with conscience are always very few in number but they definitely exist in societies.

God doesn't judge based on conscience but on Faith. If it were conscience, then Jesus Christ lied when he said he's the only way to heaven.

calddon:

Some have estimated the total population throughout all human history at about 15,000,000,000 persons. The earth’s land area is more than 36,000,000,000 acres (15,000,000,000 ha). That would allow more than two acres (1 ha) per person. Not only would this provide space for food production but it would also allow for forests, mountains, and other scenic areas​—with no undue crowding

enough space dey...who no fit waka go dey fly..

DavidEsq:

So the prophets and faithful men of old went to heaven after they died? I like my questions simple so they can be easily answered without dogo turanci

Yes

No

alBHAGDADI:


God doesn't judge based on conscience but on Faith. If it were conscience, then Jesus Christ liked when he said he's the only way to heaven.

Faithful murderers, liars, thieves, abusers, deceivers will go to heaven?

alBHAGDADI:
Yes

Would it surprise u to know that Jesus Christ answered this question in the negative?

alBHAGDADI:


Those destined to be doomed will be doomed. Just as we have people doomed today, so existed in those days. God already knows his. Mind you, news of the God of Israel was already in Africa. Remember that Ethiopian Eunuch.

Used to think you're genuinely propagating the good news but your utterances and understanding of the Bible shows that what you say is false.
You say some people are destined for destruction,
But Matthew chapter 18 verses 14 says " In the same way, it is not my heavenly Father’s will that even one of these little ones should perish. Correcting Another Believer"

And 2nd Peter chapter 3 verse 9 said " The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance"

DavidEsq:

Would it surprise u to know that Jesus Christ answered this question in the negative?

Your tone of answers gives you away as a Jehovah's False Witness. Away from me Satan. Don't fill my head with the junk GB out inside yours.

I depend on the Holy Spirit, you depend on GB.

OpenYourEyes1:



Faithful murderers, liars, thieves, abusers, deceivers will go to heaven?

Yes, because they depend on Jesus who paid for their sins. Remember the thief on the cross.

alBHAGDADI:


Yes, because they depend on Jesus who paid for their sins. Remember the thief on the cross.

The thief repented and did the right thing.

He was saved by his last minutes righteousness and belief and love for GOD.
You believe in GOD? You MUST also keep his commandments and be righteous

According to the Quran suratu Daha
Pharoah asked prophet Musa(Moses): what will be the place of the first people.
Moses said: Only Allah knows, He did not go the wrong way or forget
verse 51 to 52

this is the answer to ur question

According to the Quran suratu Daha
Pharoah asked prophet Musa(Moses): what will be the place of the first people.
Moses said: Only Allah knows, He did not go the wrong way or forget
verse 51 to 52

this is the answer to ur question

OpenYourEyes1:

The thief repented and did the right thing.
He was saved by his last minutes righteousness and belief and love for GOD. You believe in GOD? You MUST also keep his commandments and be righteous

You believe in GOD? You MUST also keep his commandments and be righteous

OpenYourEyes1:


The thief repented and did the right thing.

He was saved by his last minutes righteousness and belief and love for GOD.

The thief was saved for believing in Jesus. Nowhere does it say he repented of his sins. As a matter of fact, he already paid for his sin on the cross, but would have been doomed if he had died an unbeliever in Jesus. The other thief also paid for his sin but still got doomed for rejecting Jesus. When a man dies, it's his believe that determines where he will end up. If he believed in Jesus, he goes to heaven regardless of his sins. If he didn't, he ends up doomed regardless of the amount of good he might have done.

alBHAGDADI:


The thief was saved for believing in Jesus. Nowhere does it say he repented of his sins. As a matter of fact, he already paid for his sin on the cross, but would have been doomed if he had died an unbeliever in Jesus. The other thief also paid for his sin but still got doomed for rejecting Jesus. When a man dies, it's his believe that determines where he will end up. If he believed in Jesus, he goes to heaven regardless of his sins. If he didn't, he ends up doomed regardless of the amount of good he might have done.

So I can slaughter people while believing in Jesus and still be saved?

OpenYourEyes1:


So I can slaughter people while believing in Jesus and still be saved?

That's if you believe in Jesus.
But God will so punish you here on Earth that you will regret your actions.

iamJ:
where u there?

Don't mind the guy, reading the Bible upside down.

alBHAGDADI:


That's if you believe in Jesus.

But God will so punish you here on Earth that you will regret your actions.

Please don't deceive these poor souls. This is pagan belief.

Christians believe in Jesus but only few(righteous Christians) will make heaven.
Don't go stealing, abusing people, looting, lying and believing you will make heaven. Not going to happen my friend.

Let's repent of our evil ways and accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior

Jesus doesn't exist, Heaven doesn't exist it is all fairytale.

I have also been looking for were Satan lives, his phone number, his relatives or which country he comes from, i couldn't find. Is satan even Female or male? gay or lesbian?

Who do we even point to Dat is righteous or Hw do we even KNW who is heaven or in hell, everybody jst dey exergerate

gypsey:
Jesus doesn't exist, Heaven doesn't exist it is all fairytale.

I have also been looking for were Satan lives, his phone number, his relatives or which country he comes from, i couldn't find. Is satan even Female or male? gay or lesbian?

I bet my moral argument brought out an atheist/pagan from hiding . I didn't see their contributions on this thread until I posted the truth.
The obligation to be righteous is mostly why Christianity scare them alot

iamJ:
where u there?

I wonder for the guy ooo

iamJ:
where u there?

I wonder for the guy oo

according to Christian eschatology, there are seven dispensation which God used to work with human beings and they are dispensations of innocence,conscience, human government, promise, law,grace,millennium reign of Christ... so any human born under this dispensation will be judged in that manner...the thing is that all this dispensation points to Christ as the saviour and mediator of mankind..