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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 9:27pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
Goals Assists Goal scoring chances Chances created Man of d match given Pass accuracy Dribbles completed Add urs nd compare 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:28pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
Segedinho: Salah has more goals from open play than Hazard |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 9:34pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
HanksAnuku:Exactly were u get it wrong.competitiveness is a measure of the team u are playing for...otherwise it would have been logical 2 choose Henderson over Erikson. I think hazard over dust him in the "influencing a game" parameter this season 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 9:36pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
raumdeuter:is that the only yardstick 2 choose him overy hazard....or is aubameyang better dan Harry kane 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:43pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
Segedinho: What other yardstick do you want? Size of head, color of shirt? If Aubameyang scored more goals than Kane this season then he is better than Kane this season Na these kain award me I prefer not one wey people go dey campaign, and vote like Saraki dem. As at today Aguero and Salah are the best attackers in the league 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 9:47pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
Segedinho: Bros rest. When we're talking influential, this is what we're talking about. Hazard is number 9 on this list btw. Salah joint top. League goal scorer - Salah joint top. Salah's team is competing for title. Hazard is miles away. Please stop this nonsense. 1 Like
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 9:47pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
raumdeuter:So assist nd other attacking parameters no matter abi 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 9:51pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
HanksAnuku:. Baba mk me understand. ...match winner in this context na d goal wey win d match abi na overall contributions? ?? Going by this. ..lacazette better pass benardo silva.sterling. mane.kane.firminho. .aguero n co.....abi na wetin u mean by dat.. If that is the case...baba judge urself. ..this analysis make sense? 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 9:52pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
HanksAnuku:I see lacazette as top.. Airmark come and see something 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 9:56pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
lordfalcao:I blv the analysis is actually d scorer of d winning goal or d man with d last goal...using this as a yardstick 4 a better player is quite offpoint 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 10:02pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
Segedinho: It's not my fault if you don't understand what I posted. The stat posted there isn't comparing ability. Insread its showing you which players have been most directly responsible for the wins at their various clubs. Salah has been more important to Liverpool than Hazard to Chelsea. So when you say: Segedinho: that's the kind of comment you make about the hendersons and Jorginho's of this world. Liverpool are in a title race this season, and Salah is DIRECTLY responsible for 33% of this wins by scoring 9 match winning goals. That's in addition to the other 10 goals and 7 assists he has contributed. How influential has hazard been if only 5 of his goals have been of match winning consequence? Salah has been almost twice as important to Liverpool than Hazard to Chelsea..at least from a goalscoring perspective. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 10:08pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
HanksAnuku:Hazard vs sallah is different 4m Liverpool vs Chelsea ..do the idea of competitiveness is out. What makes a player influential? Is it not goals Assists Goal scoring chances Overall chances Dribbles completed Pass accuracy So what are u talking aboutcompare both using these parameters instead of bringing in the uselessness of coaches/clubs How do u think MOM awards are given after a game?...... Saying sallah has been more influential in Liverpool than Hazard in Chelsea is u hating on hazard 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 10:22pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
Segedinho: So how has hazard been influential? Where is the influence? Salah has more league goals than Hazard. Salah doesn't just score pointless goals either, half of his goals decided the match for his team. His team are chasing their first title in 20 years, and Salah alone is DIRECTLY responsible for 1 in every 3 wins. nobody can accuse Salah of being a carry along nigga. Hazard on the other hand has not been as relevant. It's not about scoring goals that are pointless. 2/3 of Hazard's league goals this season have been icing sugar. Salah is the cake 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 10:34pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
HanksAnuku:. Goals are goals ..whether it's d icing sugar or d really cake. .. Influencing a game is one personal contribution in a game. ...sallah edged hazard only in goals wch is just one in d numerous ways 2 influence a game....stats like assists. Chances created..goal scoring opportunities. .killer passes are the parameters that makes a player influential in a any game this in turn bring out the MOM award. Otherwise ur analysis would easily put lacazette ahead of sterling and Henderson ahead of Erikson this season Do u knw Salah wasn't nominated among the PFAs despite his goal being the real cake?... 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 10:51pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
Segedinho: Not all goals count equally. Scoring the last goal in a 5-1 win is only an exercise in stat padding. It does not not add an extra .5 to your team's 3 points. They can throw your goal in the bin, and it won't move them. Salah has only 3 more goals than Hazard, but has scored twice as many match winners as Hazard has. That's what influence is, not scoring 2 goals in a 5 goal rout of relegated Huddersfield. Here's a fun fact for you, Hazard has not scored in any league game that we've lost this season. We've lost 2-1 to wolves, and 1-0 to Leicester this season amongst others. If Hazard had at least scored in those 2 games for example, we would be 3 points clear of Arsenal and only 1 point behind Spurs. Hazard has had a great season individually, but his team has not really benefited from him like that Salah has been brilliant individually AND for his team. Salah has been better than Hazard this season, for definite. If he didn't make TOTY, then Hazard should not be writing any nonsense article. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 11:00pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
HanksAnuku:What i am learning 4m u now is there are different kind of goals. ..like the goals scores wen u are leading is less than goals scores wen u are winning but to burst ur bubble these so called goals are not the parameters 2 judge if Some1 is influential or not in a game...u haven't answered how the MOM are given after a game? .....a guy that is able to draw nd completely dribble passed several players and release the ball to the his player closer to the keeper in the 18yard box is more influential cos the real and hard job has been done .... 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Offpoint: 11:07pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
Segedinho:Make una lemme alone naw for nairaland o, must my name always be involved? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 11:14pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
HanksAnuku:In order to berate Hazard you guys do plus and minus on goals. Gee are you aware goal difference can decide this top 4 race huh. So scoring 1 to make it 5-1 for Chelsea is important because that 1 goal might become top 4 decider for Chelsea. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 11:16pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by FBS: 11:36pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
diggz: So what people are saying is actually true? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 11:46pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
Segedinho: Yes there are. When we beat Huddersfield 5-0, we would still have won the game even if the FA decides to cancel the remaining 4. One of the biggest issues we have with Hazard is his reluctance to step up when we need him the most. There are some players that no matter how much their team is losing by, as long as they are on the pitch, iyanu fit shele. In basketball, the call it the 'clutch' attribute. Salah has been super clutch for his team this season. I'm not saying he's been head and shoulders better than Hazard o...but come on. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 11:47pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
lordfalcao: So he's the best striker in epl. He's better and more influential than Aguero and Kane. You be mumu walahi. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 11:54pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
raumdeuter: Just reading through this nonsense now. So no more using Goals + assists to rate attackers again? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 12:02am On Apr 26, 2019 |
HanksAnuku: Are we no more using assists again to rate attackers? I remember most people here were flogging Hazard in the past because of his low goal contributions every season, which included assists. If we want to tidy things well, maybe we should atleast count assists to match-winning goals, before we conclude on how well players influence matches. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 12:08am On Apr 26, 2019 |
Segedinho: Sallah even played more matches? I remember he went like two months without a goal and Mane was delivering during that period. If not for the uselessness of our other attackers who couldn't complement Hazards numbers we wouldn't be dragging spots with mumu teams like man utd and arsenal. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by larride(m): 12:15am On Apr 26, 2019 |
airmark: See this one. The three are fighting for the trophy “most useless”. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 12:19am On Apr 26, 2019 |
airmark: Assists count, but assists are not always an indicator of individual brilliance....afterall, the person being assisted still has to convert before you get your credit as an assist provider. If you combine all the stats, Hazard has 3 more goal contributions than Salah in total. But how come Salah has more match winning goals than Hazard? How come Liverpool are doing a lot better than Chelsea? Hazard stat pads. Score 2 goals in a 5-0 demolition of huddersfield, and then stay silent when City pump us 6 kondo. In all the games we've lost this season, Hazard did not contribute a goal or assist. SO you cant even say oh he tried, but defence let him down. Individually Hazard has been brilliant, but have his goals and assists helped us, the same way Salah's output has helped Pool? I think the answer is no. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SkimpleD: 12:21am On Apr 26, 2019 |
FBS:Egbon, don’t join the Pharisees |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 12:35am On Apr 26, 2019 |
HanksAnuku: There are some assists that make the resultant goal, easier to score. You can't tell me a player that got rid of three defenders and rolled the ball past the on-rushing keeper to the scorer to tuck inside net, did lesser work than the scorer of the match winning goal. If Mane had supplied the numbers supplied by Willian, Liverpool wouldn't have been up there on the table. That answers the question of why Liverpool is up there with Sallah and Chelsea down there with Hazard. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 12:36am On Apr 26, 2019 |
HanksAnuku:it seems like you have been watching a different salah this season. It definitely is not the salah i have watched this season. I am not ready for an argument now, but there is nothing anyone will tell me that will make me even think for a second that Salah has been better than Hazard this season. That one na big lie. I even blame salah for what liverpool is passing through now. Had salah stepped up in the crucial moment, Liverpool would have rapped up the title a long time ago. I dey even vex for am. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 12:40am On Apr 26, 2019 |
larride: Yes because our other attackers failed to combine with Hazard to do Mane-Sallah and Sterling-Aguero numbers. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 12:40am On Apr 26, 2019 |
HanksAnuku:you are just shouting winning goal, winning goal, have you thought about equalizing goal? Though i don't use that yardstick alone. There is no way on earth i am picking this season Salah ahead of this season hazard and i think alot of people will agree with me 2 Likes |
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