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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 2:04pm On Apr 26, 2019
simonjassy:

if there wasn't a first goal there would be no 2nd goal.I thought this was common sense

Stop thinking, you're not good at it.

Otherwise you would have realised that no football match in history was ever won by an equalizing goal.

The match wining goal is literally worth 2 more points than an equaliser.

Drink vitamin D bros

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 2:04pm On Apr 26, 2019
What is ur stands self

Are u banking on the match winning goals as a yardstick 2 put Salah ahead of hazard

When several other widely acclaimed stats are there? ??

Have u heard of any pundits using match winning goals 2 prove a player was the best in the field ....me myself don dey confuse wt ur points self

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by thorrvik55(m): 2:05pm On Apr 26, 2019
HanksAnuku:


This is not the question I asked you.

Who won the match between Burnley and Chelsea?

As u know, the match ended in a draw...

So,

thorrvik55:


So if the match was won 3-2, the most important goal would have been the 3rd goal and the other two goals dat made d scores level would be less important, right?

thorrvik55:


I meant if Burnley had won d match 3-2, the 3rd goal would be more important, right? Even though we both know dat without an equalising goal, there would be no winning goal in dat match...
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 2:06pm On Apr 26, 2019
cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy

Wahala dey ontop this hazard matter o! cheesy cheesy
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 2:07pm On Apr 26, 2019
thorrvik55:


As u know, the match ended in a draw...

Good so f the match ended in a draw, and i'm talking about match winning actions, why the fvck are you asking me about it?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by thorrvik55(m): 2:08pm On Apr 26, 2019
HanksAnuku:


Stop thinking, you're not good at it.

Otherwise you would have realised that no football match in history was ever won by an equalizing goal.

The match wining goal is literally worth 2 more points than an equaliser.

Drink vitamin D bros

If ur team is losing 2-1, how can you score a match winning goal if ur team mate does not equalize or if u don't score an equalising goal?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:11pm On Apr 26, 2019
HanksAnuku:


You lack computational ability.

I've been telling you since morning that i'm looking at how Salah and Hazard have directly impacted their clubs ffs. Abi Do players score points?

When I said spoke about match winning goals securing points for a club, what the fvck did you think I was talking about?

You've been there chatting nonsense about how all goals are equally important.

Oya explain 2008/2009 season na?

Same goal difference, same goals scored, same goals conceded, but 7 points difference - That should tell you that some goals are just more important than others. I mean it's basic common sense!
so the winning goal is the most important abi....
now let me take you down memory lane
athletico vs real madrid .uefa champions league final 1-4. with athletico leading 1-0,until the dying seconds when ramos equalized.so you are telling me the second madrid goal was more important than ramos's.
You sir,are looking more like a joke in football matters

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chelseafan1: 2:12pm On Apr 26, 2019
diggz:
cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy

Wahala dey ontop this hazard matter o! cheesy cheesy

Ngbo, dey Said Salah would give us more goals playing with FBS and Fatguain, Shey na true.

Who has always been our highest goal scorer in the last 5 years, una go know say, wahala dey ds our yeam

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:12pm On Apr 26, 2019
HanksAnuku:


I did not stylishly dodge anything. Ask the man if he didn't go back to edit his post.

And now that i've read it, the question is not even a trick question, it's willfully obtuse. We're discussing match winning actions, and someone is talking to me about a 2-2 draw.

Oya let me ask you, who won that match? Thunder fire you if 'u stylishly dodge this' angry
You're analysing professional league games like street soccer, where winning a game (or set) is of utmost importance.

In professional football, while wins are more crucial, draws are also important in a number of instances, since with either a win or a draw, a team can earn some points, be it 1 or 3.

Winning a game or playing a draw is still far better than losing the match and dropping the whole 3 points.

Besides, goal difference occasionally becomes the key factor in deciding league winners. City might yet win this league based on their much higher GD in comparison with that of Liverpool.

So, scoring a lot of goals is (and has always been) important. All goals are crucial. You can't tell me that a player that scores an equalising goal in a league game, scored a trivial goal. If that team loses the tie and drops 3 points, that loss may prove costly later on, especially if they are title contenders.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 2:13pm On Apr 26, 2019
simonjassy:

so the winning goal is the most important abi....
now let me take you down memory lane
athletico vs real madrid .uefa champions league final 1-4. with athletico leading 1-0,until the dying seconds when ramos equalized.so you are telling me the second madrid goal was more important than ramos's.
You sir,are looking more like a joke in football matters

Dont be stupid

Do they give points in knockout football?

Are you people so bereft of contextual reasoning? cheesy

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by thorrvik55(m): 2:13pm On Apr 26, 2019
simonjassy:

so the winning goal is the most important abi....
now let me take you down memory lane
athletico vs real madrid .uefa champions league final 1-4. with athletico leading 1-0,until the dying seconds when ramos equalized.so you are telling me the second madrid goal was more important than ramos's.
You sir,are looking more like a joke in football matters

I swear... grin grin grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 2:13pm On Apr 26, 2019
thorrvik55:


If ur team is losing 2-1, how can you score a match winning goal if ur team mate does not equalize or if u don't score an equalising goal?

Do you get 3 points for an equalising goal?

Yes or no?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 2:14pm On Apr 26, 2019
HanksAnuku:


You lack computational ability.

I've been telling you since morning that i'm looking at how Salah and Hazard have directly impacted their clubs ffs. Abi Do players score points?

When I said spoke about match winning goals securing points for a club, what the fvck did you think I was talking about?

You've been there chatting nonsense about how all goals are equally important.

Oya explain 2008/2009 season na?

Same goal difference, same goals scored, same goals conceded, but 7 points difference - That should tell you that some goals are just more important than others. I mean it's basic common sense!
A team winning the league is not directly proportional to the amountop of match winning goals scored by a player...
Imagine a player (A)scoring 10 match winning goals n being useless in d rest and another (B)scored about 24 goals like ...12 of those goals are equalising goals..5 are 2 settle d match maybe after they were 2 vs 1 up n d game was tense and d rest are just goal (maybe d one u termed abnormal or less important goals) nd dis same player gave 6 assists to player A who had the 10 match winning goals. ....who would u termed the most important player bw A nd B??

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:14pm On Apr 26, 2019
diggz:
cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy

Wahala dey ontop this hazard matter o! cheesy cheesy

My problem is not even hazard,my annoyance here is how he is belittling goals.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 2:15pm On Apr 26, 2019
gensteejay:

You're analysing professional league games like street soccer, where winning a game (or set) is of utmost importance.

In professional football, while wins are more crucial, draws are also important in a number of instances, since with either a win or a draw, a team can earn some points, be it 1 or 3.

Winning a game or playing a draw is still far better than losing the match and dropping the whole 3 points.

Besides, goal difference occasionally becomes the key factor in deciding league winners. City might yet win this league based on their much higher GD in comparison with that of Liverpool.

So, scoring a lot of goals is (and has always been) important. All goals are crucial. You can't tell me that a player that scores an equalising goal in a league game, scored a trivial goal. If that team loses the tie and drops 3 points, that loss may prove costly later on, especially if they are title contenders.



Bros explain 2008/2009 season first before you enter hypothetical goal difference talk.

Lets start from there.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:17pm On Apr 26, 2019
Segedinho:

A team winning the league is not directly proportional to the amountop of match winning goals scored by a player...
Imagine a player (A)scoring 10 match winning goals n being useless in d rest and another (B)scored about 24 goals like ...12 of those goals are equalising goals..5 are 2 settle d match maybe after they were 2 vs 1 up n d game was tense and d rest are just goal (maybe d one u termed abnormal or less important goals) nd dis same player gave 6 assists to player A who had the 10 match winning goals. ....who would u termed the most important player bw A nd B??

this feels like one of those f(x)= X^2 + 6X - 4= 12
wahlai bros you don vex
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 2:19pm On Apr 26, 2019
simonjassy:


this feels like one of those f(x)= X^2 + 6X - 4= 12
wahlai bros you don vex
.
This guy worse pass aparisport.con


Abeg make una find name given am... grin grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 2:23pm On Apr 26, 2019
Segedinho:

A team winning the league is not directly proportional to the amountop of match winning goals scored by a player...
Imagine a player (A)scoring 10 match winning goals n being useless in d rest and another (B)scored about 24 goals like ...12 of those goals are equalising goals..5 are 2 settle d match maybe after they were 2 vs 1 up n d game was tense and d rest are just goal (maybe d one u termed abnormal or less important goals) nd dis same player gave 6 assists to player A who had the 10 match winning goals. ....who would u termed the most important player bw A nd B??

Guy i'm really struggling to follow this post, I wont lie.

Very simply.

My argument is very simple. The total amount of goals scored by a team is of less importance than the number of goals they score to guarantee games.

It is entirely possible to win all 38 league games 1-0, and goal difference will never ever ever be a factor

A real life example of this was 2008/2009 season where Chelsea, Arsenal, and Manyoo all scored 68 goals. Liverpool in 2nd place scored 77 goals and had a goal difference greater than Manyoo.

So when you say Hazard scored these many goals, and assisted these many, I'm looking to see how many of those goals actually put points on the table for us. Not goal difference that may not come in to play, but actual points.

Salah scored 9 such goals. Hazard around half of those.

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:31pm On Apr 26, 2019
The sensible Chelsea fans all know their football leaving the Shekpetedos to be asslicking hidden Hazard
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chelseafan1: 2:32pm On Apr 26, 2019
raumdeuter:
The sensible Chelsea fans all know their football leaving the Shekpetedos to be asslicking hidden Hazard

Raumdeuter, you haven't answered, who's better between Mane and Hazard, one has 29 goals contribution, the other has 20 grin grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:38pm On Apr 26, 2019
HanksAnuku:


Dont be stupid

Do they give points in knockout football?

Are you people so bereft of contextual reasoning? cheesy
was i talking to you about points?..
okay in this context,which is the most important goal? Ramos's or the other 3 madrid goals
undecided

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 2:44pm On Apr 26, 2019
HanksAnuku:


Guy i'm really struggling to follow this post, I wont lie.

Very simply.

My argument is very simple. The total amount of goals scored by a team is of less importance than the number of goals they score to guarantee games.

It is entirely possible to win all 38 league games 1-0, and goal difference will never ever ever be a factor

A real life example of this was 2008/2009 season where Chelsea, Arsenal, and Manyoo all scored 68 goals. Liverpool in 2nd place scored 77 goals and had a goal difference greater than Manyoo.

So when you say Hazard scored these many goals, and assisted these many, I'm looking to see how many of those goals actually put points on the table for us. Not goal difference that may not come in to play, but actual points.

Salah scored 9 such goals. Hazard around half of those.
The diagram u uploaded didn't show that it was match winning goals dat gave up the league. .
It could actually be a game won 3 vs 1 ..2 vs 0 ..4 vs 1 or even 4 vs 2........the runner up could score 5 vs 2 were the winner scored 2 goals. ....it could also be d runner up scored 3 vs 0 were d winner scored 4 vs 1..

So dis ur yardstick is 100% flawed. .....go on an bring d scores and how many were jst a difference of 1 vs 0 bw d winners vs the runner up



Abi 4 vs 2 and 2 vs 0...no b dsame go difference? ??





If that is the case..lacazette is more important in arsenal than aguero in city? ?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 2:44pm On Apr 26, 2019
raumdeuter:


2017/18

Neymar 6 goals 3 assists 7 games
Hazard 3 goals 4 assists 8 games

Raumdeuter and a40 please do the needful for
Hazard and Salah in epl this season.


This is the second time I'm posting this. I want to know the number of league matches Salah and Hazard played this season and the number of goals and assists for both.

God bless.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 2:45pm On Apr 26, 2019
simonjassy:

was i talking to you about points?..
okay in this contest,which is the most important goal? Ramos's or the other 3 madrid goals
can any knockout match end in a draw?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:45pm On Apr 26, 2019
Chelseafan1:


Ramdeuter, you haven't answered, who's better between Mane and Hazard, one has 29 goals contribution, the other has 20 grin grin

When you remove their penalty goals how many goals does Mane have vs Hazard

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:47pm On Apr 26, 2019
This is what you get when you are the baba isale for the " hazard is in the same talent bracket with messi" movement.

@hanksanuku...you just start ni o. You go explain tire to your followers till thy kingdom come grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:48pm On Apr 26, 2019
airmark:


Raumdeuter and a40 please do the needful for
Hazard and Salah in epl this season.


This is the second time I'm posting this. I want to know the number of league matches Salah and Hazard played this season and the number of goals and assists for both.

God bless.

I have posted their goals and assists before taking out the penalty goals

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:48pm On Apr 26, 2019
HanksAnuku:
can any knockout match end in a draw?
the match ended 1-4, i am asking for your answer as to which madrid goal was the most important in that final

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:51pm On Apr 26, 2019
sod09:
chelsea fans wondering if ramdeuter as taken over hanksanuku moniker grin grin grin

You can realize that its the low IQ Shekpe fans that asslickk Hidden Hazard, the ones who have sense know the truth about him

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:51pm On Apr 26, 2019
raumdeuter:


When you remove their penalty goals how many goals does Mane have vs Hazard
why should they?.....ahbi is their a guarantee that every penalty awarded would automatically be converted.
why dont you do the same for goals arising from setpieces?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:52pm On Apr 26, 2019
thorrvik55:


Even ur source of truth (world football) says salah has 7 assists so I wonder where u conjured those 3 extra assists from...


This is my source of truth, Stop lying shamelessly

www.nairaland.com/attachments/9262743_mosalah_png494f428e90a0e770837c38985fb5fbee
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:52pm On Apr 26, 2019
Obere4u:


Salah is on 7 assists

No he is on 10 assists

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