9inches:
By whose subjective standard?

Everyone's standard. That's why there is outrage when children are killed.

Isn't that an opinion, or do you believe in moral absolutes?

It is an opinion, that most people share. Now, do you think killing children is evil?

9inches:

If you're an atheist, by what standard are you judging the God of the bible? Because if there's no God, there's no objective standard or morality; it's just your opinion. So for you to say the God of the bible is evil, what do you mean by evil? Why is genocide wrong if there's no God? You have to be the moral arbiter of the universe to be able to make such moral judgment. See, you can be an atheist and make a moral argument but such argument wouldn't be grounded if God does not exist. It would be a mere opinion.

why are you always shifting goal post? we started with God does not instruct evil, then I showed you where he did. You said it's punishment, I explained that it isn't but it's genocide. We are now at genocide is not evil.

LordReed:


Please can you answer directly? Do you believe that your god is the arbiter of an absolute morality system?

Yes. Isn't that what my argument has always been about?

TVSA:
because they defend the killing of babies in the bible

Is killing of babies evil/wrong? By whose standard?

9inches:
Yes. Isn't that what my argument has always been about?

So when this arbiter of absolute morality goes against its own rules how does that show that an absolute moral system exists?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj4FBQSa8lY just laugh...when your village people are actively on your matter..

9inches:
Is killing of babies evil/wrong? By whose standard?

Stop being obtuse. Unless you are a sociopath, killing children for no good reason should be wrong to you.

What does god say about the killing of children? scripture backed answer FROM YOU(and not some itk) is what I need.

9inches:
Is killing of babies evil/wrong? By whose standard?

whose standard you say? so you don't know when you hurt people except there's a standard by someone? when you are not a dummy. whose standard proscribed slavery?

RuthlessLeader:
Everyone's standard. That's why there is outrage when children are killed.

It is an opinion, that most people share. Now, do you think killing children is evil?

Just not true. Not everyone is outraged by the death of children. Hitler, Stalin, Hutus of Rwanda, Mao of China, a lot of psychopaths, etc, do not think killing people is morally wrong. If there is no God, then we don't have the moral right to infringe on anyone's beliefs, even if the person believes it's okay to kill babies to get ahead in life.

It is an opinion, that most people share. Now, do you think killing children is evil?

Most Americans used to share the opinion that non whites are not humans and so are inferior to the whites. Slavery used to be legal in America.Was it it morally justified just because most people shared that same idea?

Funaki:
why are you always shifting goal post? we started with God does not instruct evil, then I showed you where he did. You said it's punishment, I explained that it isn't but it's genocide. We are now at genocide is not evil.

Perhaps you're moving the goalpost, I'm not.

You did not show me where God instructed evil, you showed me where you think he instructed evil. Difference!
I said the genocide was punishment; I'm not sure you have made any argument to counter that. Even if you do make it, it'll still be your own opinion, not grounded in any superordinate principle, because in your worldview, you Funaki, make your own morality.

LordReed:


So when this arbiter of absolute morality goes against its own rules how does that show that an absolute moral system exists?

There's really nothing like arbiter of absolute morality, there is the source of absolute morality. The source of anything eternal cannot be in lack of that thing which it produces. Because we humans see or perceive only a tiny bit of the whole universe and reality, we are too arrogant to realize that the source of space and time is not bound by space or time, and therefore would know more than us what constitutes good or evil.

9inches:
There's really nothing like arbiter of absolute morality, there is the source of absolute morality. The source of anything eternal cannot be in lack of that thing which it produces. Because we humans see or perceive only a tiny bit of the whole universe and reality, we are too arrogant to realize that the source of space and time is not bound by space or time, and therefore would know more than us what constitutes good or evil.

Ok so special pleading for your god. It declares an absolute morality that it itself is not bound by is what you are saying right?

RuthlessLeader:

Stop being obtuse. Unless you are a sociopath, killing children for no good reason should be wrong to you.

What does god say about the killing of children? scripture backed answer FROM YOU(and not some itk) is what I need.

Right. But in your worldview, there's no objective morality. Therefore, if sociopaths form a majority, it would be morally right for them to ra.pe, torture and kill children because there's no superordinate principle, a moral law giver other than them. Each person brings his/her own view and boom!... a law is made for the society and binding on everyone including the minority! Have you read anything about Stalin and Lenin of the Soviet Union, Hitler of Nazi Germany, Mao of China, Mussolini of Italy..? Do you believe abortion is good or evil? Do you know Ireland recently voted by referendum to legalize abortion?

It's only my worldview - a belief in God that supports the argument that something could be right or wrong. Without it, we all have opinions of what is right or wrong.

What does God say about children?

At that time the disciples approached Jesus and said, "Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?" He called a child over, placed it in their midst, and said, "Amen, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever receives one child such as this in my name receives me." (Matthew 18:2-6)

"See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven always look upon the face of my heavenly Father." (Matthew 18:10)

And people were bringing children to him that he might touch them, but the disciples rebuked them. When Jesus saw this he became indignant and said to them, "Let the children come to me; do not prevent them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Amen, I say to you, whoever does not accept the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it." Then he embraced them and blessed them, placing his hands on them. (Mark 10: 13-16)

TVSA:
whose standard you say? so you don't know when you hurt people except there's a standard by someone? when you are not a dummy.

I know when I hurt people but I have to appeal to a standard to make a moral judgment on it.

whose standard proscribed slavery?

Biblical standard of course. Slavery goes against the American Declaration of Independence which states "....We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Every [good] law takes its root from this "self evident" truth - that every human being is created in the image and likeness of God and therefore has dignity and worth. If that is true, then we do not get our fundamental human rights from our fellow human beings or government, but from our Creator. Therefore, the role of government is to protect those rights in the most harmonious way possible. So, in essence, without God, there's no fundamental human rights.

9inches:
Perhaps you're moving the goalpost, I'm not.

You did not show me where God instructed evil, you showed me where you think he instructed evil. Difference!
I said the genocide was punishment; I'm not sure you have made any argument to counter that. Even if you do make it, it'll still be your own opinion, not grounded in any superordinate principle, because in your worldview, you Funaki, make your own morality.

are you alright? how is it that everything I said is my own opinion and everything you said are binding?
are we throwing opinions at each other?

For the love of God, explain how 1 Samuel 15:3 is a punishment. Tell me by the "superordinate principle" how killing innocent women and children served as a punishment for what their ancestors did in the past. Why did God have so much beef with the Amalekites that he couldn't let go after Joshua defeated the assailants in Exodus.

And what's this "worldview" you keep throwing around?

9inches:
Just not true. Not everyone is outraged by the death of children. Hitler, Stalin, Hutus of Rwanda, Mao of China, a lot of psychopaths, etc, do not think killing people is morally wrong.

And since you've seen both my posts, you would realise I said MOST people. There are exceptions, and in case you want to say something else, I am talking of the majority of people in TODAY'S world.

If there is no God, then we don't have the moral right to infringe on anyone's beliefs, even if the person believes it's okay to kill babies to get ahead in life.

That's true. But it also goes both ways, that person has no moral right to prevent me from imprisoning him/her for thinking killing babies to get ahead in life.

Most Americans used to share the opinion that non whites are not humans and so are inferior to the whites. Slavery used to be legal in America.Was it it morally justified just because most people shared that same idea?

It wasn't morally justified at all, BY TODAY'S STANDARDS. Why? Because we of today know better and are better than those of yesterday, so therefore slavery is something that we don't need and as such is evil.

Also, those who knew better couldn't do anything because they were just too weak to oppose the established institution of slavery.

9inches:
Right. But in your worldview, there's no objective morality.

And now you think you've caught me.

Therefore, if sociopaths form a majority, it would be morally right for them to ra.pe, torture and kill children because there's no superordinate principle, a moral law giver other than them. Each person brings his/her own view and boom!... a law is made for the society and binding on everyone including the minority!

A society of sociopaths would be a disaster. It's not because they go about killing children, but because they are prone to failure. Also, most sociopaths aren't killiers, some are though. They don't hate children anymore than they hate black people.

Have you read anything about Stalin and Lenin of the Soviet Union, Hitler of Nazi Germany, Mao of China, Mussolini of Italy..?

Yes.

Do you believe abortion is good or evil?

It depends.

Do you know Ireland recently voted by referendum to legalize abortion?

Yes, I have family there.

It's only my worldview - a belief in God that supports the argument that something could be right or wrong.

Yet that same god does what is wrong. He himself disobeys his own laws.

Without it, we all have opinions of what is right or wrong.

That are the same for the most part because we humans like to think alike.

What does God say about children?

A lot of things. He also orders their slaughter which is what we're concerned about.

[s]At that time the disciples approached Jesus and said, "Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?" He called a child over, placed it in their midst, and said, "Amen, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever receives one child such as this in my name receives me." (Matthew 18:2-6)

"See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven always look upon the face of my heavenly Father." (Matthew 18:10)

And people were bringing children to him that he might touch them, but the disciples rebuked them. When Jesus saw this he became indignant and said to them, "Let the children come to me; do not prevent them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Amen, I say to you, whoever does not accept the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it." Then he embraced them and blessed them, placing his hands on them. (Mark 10: 13-16)[/s]

This just means god contradicts himself and he has done more harm to children than good.

9inches:
I know when I hurt people but I have to appeal to a standard to make a moral judgment on it.

Biblical standard of course. Slavery goes against the American Declaration of Independence which states "....We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Every [good] law takes its root from this "self evident" truth - that every human being is created in the image and likeness of God and therefore has dignity and worth. If that is true, then we do not get our fundamental human rights from our fellow human beings or government, but from our Creator. Therefore, the role of government is to protect those rights in the most harmonious way possible. So, in essence, without God, there's no fundamental human rights.

which biblical standard proscribed slavery? even the nice new testament didn't say people should stop slavery. Jesus and Paul with all their sweet words did not for once admonished their followers to abolish slavery. Which book of the bible is that part in red? or you're just inferring .

And you use fundamental human rights and God in the same sentence? that's disgusting . Your God is one of the major reasons people came up with fundamental human rights. Read your bible, many of God's commandments are against fundamental human rights.

LordReed:
Ok so special pleading for your god. It declares an absolute morality that it itself is not bound by is what you are saying right?

What a question Is a programmer bound by the programs he creates? God is sovereign, the laws we know of were made for us for our own good, because only a creator knows his creations even more the creation know themselves. And if the the creator is good, then all that would come from him will be good, even if the creations see a snapshot of a whole plan and call it evil. Laws are meant to put things in a perfect order; God who is perfect therefore needs no law to operate as God. For example, the 5th Commandment says "thou shall not kill." It would be illogical if a God is bound by such law, unless he's not God the creator. Therefore, it's only right for a Creator to kill/destroy his creations at will because only that Creator sees every fault/malfunction that might impede on his other creations existence. That's why, when our loved ones die, we say God knows best, because he wants the good for us his children.

9inches:
What a question Is a programmer bound by the programs he creates? God is sovereign, the laws we know of were made for us for our own good, because only a creator knows his creations even more the creation know themselves. And if the the creator is good, then all that would come from him will be good, even if the creations see a snapshot of a whole plan and call it evil. Laws are meant to put things in a perfect order; God who is perfect therefore needs no law to operate as God. For example, the 5th Commandment says "thou shall not kill." It would be illogical if a God is bound by such law, unless he's not God the creator. Therefore, it's only right for a Creator to kill/destroy his creations at will because only that Creator sees every fault/malfunction that might impede on his other creations existence. That's why, when our loved ones die, we say God knows best, because he wants the good for us his children.

It is very simple. As long as an exception exists to this so-called absolute morality framework then it is logically not absolute. Not only that, your god extends exceptions at will and seemly subject to various interpretations, that is we are to take it on the word of the various types of god believers that the exceptions are for them or deserved in some form.

Funaki:


are you alright? how is it that everything I said is my own opinion and everything you said are binding?
are we throwing opinions at each other?

For the love of God, explain how 1 Samuel 15:3 is a punishment. Tell me by the "superordinate principle" how killing innocent women and children served as a punishment for what their ancestors did in the past. Why did God have so much beef with the Amalekites that he couldn't let go after Joshua defeated the assailants in Exodus.

And what's this "worldview" you keep throwing around?

You don't sound alright at all. How many times will I have to explain that unless you believe in absolute morality, your moral judgments are subjective and not binding on any separate free individual... It's essentially your opinion. And that if you agree it's an opinion, then every individual has the right to his/her opinion. If that's beyond your comprehension, then I don't know how else I could explain it to you.

Refer back to my response on your previous Amalekites question. I gave you at least 2 verses. You could also read the verse preceding the one you quoted.

9inches:
Therefore, it's only right for a Creator to kill/destroy his creations at will because only that Creator sees every fault/malfunction that might impede on his other creations existence. That's why, when our loved ones die, we say God knows best, because he wants the good for us his children.

Wow! This is incredible! You revel in worshipping a tyrant that completely ignores the pain and suffering of conscious living beings in favour of its so called plan and you applaud and call it moral, just and right. Wow, just wow. I am equally repulsed and amazed at your ability to hold such a position but be sure it is one I will never come back to.

Thank you for crystallising my resolve.

9inches:
You don't sound alright at all. How many times will I have to explain that unless you believe in absolute morality, your moral judgments are subjective and not binding on any separate free individual... It's essentially your opinion. And that if you agree it's an opinion, then every individual has the right to his/her opinion. If that's beyond your comprehension, then I don't know how else I could explain it to you.

Refer back to my response on your previous Amalekites question. I gave you at least 2 verses. You could also read the verse preceding the one you quoted.

You and your absolute morality bullsh!t. By the way, You seems to think only your God exist in the "God universe" and nobody can do right without your God standard. While your God is the example of evil personified.

why is it that Jesus and Paul didn't follow your argument. Jesus and Paul seems to portray God as a good guy whow doesn't do evil. Jesus started his ministry by teaching his guys in Matthew 5 to be like their heavenly God who doesn't pay evil for evil, who doesn't take revenge, who blesses both good and bad people (I begin to wonder if Jesus read any of the books of Moses ). Or when Paul preached to gentiles in Acts 14 and 17 and started talking of God that allowed men to do whatever they liked in the past (really, which God? the one that destroyed Sodom? ).

The new testament guys had more sense. They knew the God character in the old testament was a fvcktard. They knew no God would be that savage and insane. That's why they toned down on the God aggression in their own stories.

God of the Old Testament was a bad idea, a psycho. The mad king in Game of thrones is learning from him.

RuthlessLeader:

And since you've seen both my posts, you would realise I said MOST people. There are exceptions, and in case you want to say something else, I am talking of the majority of people in TODAY'S world.

And I used Germany and America as examples of where majority could be wrong. Your argument falls flat.

That's true. But it also goes both ways, that person has no moral right to prevent me from imprisoning him/her for thinking killing babies to get ahead in life.

Exactly, we agree on that! That's my point - the world where anything goes. Each individual has the right to his or her opinions and actions regardless how "good' or "bad." Now you see the result of your worldview?

It wasn't morally justified at all, BY TODAY'S STANDARDS. Why? Because we of today know better and are better than those of yesterday, so therefore slavery is something that we don't need and as such is evil.

Also, those who knew better couldn't do anything because they were just too weak to oppose the established institution of slavery.

Not true.. Slavery is still around. Segregation is still around. You seem to not listen to the news. And it wasn't people of today that proscribed slavery. So, slavery has always been OBJECTIVELY WRONG even when it was legal and most people found it to be a good thing. It was evil then as much as it is evil now.

And now you think you've caught me.

Let the readers judge.

A society of sociopaths would be a disaster. It's not because they go about killing children, but because they are prone to failure. Also, most sociopaths aren't killiers, some are though. They don't hate children anymore than they hate black people.

Yes.

That's right. At least you get the point now.

It depends.

Yes, I have family there.

On what?

Yet that same god does what is wrong. He himself disobeys his own laws.

In your own view.

That are the same for the most part because we humans like to think alike.

Not true. Reality doesn't bear that out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDDZIqPeHxc

A lot of things. He also orders their slaughter which is what we're concerned about.

You're concerned about the giver of life taking life. Hmmm... Your logic is alien to me. It's not evil/wrong for God to play God by removing any of his creatures from the world. Only him sees what we don't see.

This just means god contradicts himself and he has done more harm to children than good.

No evidence of any of that in the bible. You have a right to your opinion but not your facts.

TVSA:


which biblical standard proscribed slavery? even the nice new testament didn't say people should stop slavery. Jesus and Paul with all their sweet words did not for once admonished their followers to abolish slavery. Which book of the bible is that part in red? or you're just inferring .

And you use fundamental human rights and God in the same sentence? that's disgusting . Your God is one of the major reasons people came up with fundamental human rights. Read your bible, many of God's commandments are against fundamental human rights.

You have a right to your opinions but not your facts. Do you believe there is no God or that there is God but he is wicked?

LordReed:


It is very simple. As long as an exception exists to this so-called absolute morality framework then it is logically not absolute. Not only that, your god extends exceptions at will and seemly subject to various interpretations, that is we are to take it on the word of the various types of god believers that the exceptions are for them or deserved in some form.

Morality is absolute because it applies to every aspect of human existence. Again, a computer programmer is not bound by his programs (his laws applies to his creations), not him. He might have a rule he follows himself, but that's another thing. Our only concern is our relationship between us and our creator. He doesn't play by rules, unless he didn't create you.

LordReed:


Wow! This is incredible! You revel in worshipping a tyrant that completely ignores the pain and suffering of conscious living beings in favour of its so called plan and you applaud and call it moral, just and right. Wow, just wow. I am equally repulsed and amazed at your ability to hold such a position but be sure it is one I will never come back to.

Thank you for crystallising my resolve.

I totally understand why you see him as a tyrant. You aren't the first atheist to have such problems with understanding. For those of us that understand, it feels reassuring that someone like him is out there, else we have no hope, no judgment, no eternal life, no purpose in life and no meaning. We love that he is the most extreme definition of love, he is what you seek when you desire justice because he is justice itself and the same time, his mercy is boundless. All these good things we desire and seek - although we get as little of them as the world could offer - we get it full in God because he is goodness himself, the source of every one of these good things we desire and seek. So again, God is exactly what you seek whenever you seek anything good.

Funaki:


You and your absolute morality bullsh!t. By the way, You seems to think only your God exist in the "God universe" and nobody can do right without your God standard. While your God is the example of evil personified.

why is it that Jesus and Paul didn't follow your argument. Jesus and Paul seems to portray God as a good guy whow doesn't do evil. Jesus started his ministry by teaching his guys in Matthew 5 to be like their heavenly God who doesn't pay evil for evil, who doesn't take revenge, who blesses both good and bad people (I begin to wonder if Jesus read any of the books of Moses ). Or when Paul preached to gentiles in Acts 14 and 17 and started talking of God that allowed men to do whatever they liked in the past (really, which God? the one that destroyed Sodom? ).

The new testament guys had more sense. They knew the God character in the old testament was a fvcktard. They knew no God would be that savage and insane. That's why they toned down on the God aggression in their own stories.

God of the Old Testament was a bad idea, a psycho. The mad king in Game of thrones is learning from him.

You could rephrase your questions if you are serious for dialogue or serious argument. The reason I stick to the philosophy of God's existence is to exclude people like you who lack the wherewithal to tackle philosophical questions. I won't waste my time with you if you are not serious in your argument.

9inches:
And I used Germany and America as examples of where majority could be wrong. Your argument falls flat.

And I explained this.

Exactly, we agree on that! That's my point - the world where anything goes. Each individual has the right to his or her opinions and actions regardless how "good' or "bad." Now you see the result of your worldview?

Yes. The world where anything goes exists, it's today's world. But most people want a world where they and their families are safe so we can't just go around killing random people.

Not true.. Slavery is still around. Segregation is still around.

Yes. But it is practiced by those who are uneducated or not really advanced.

You seem to not listen to the news.

And you seem to think you are smart.

And it wasn't people of today that proscribed slavery.

I know this, that's why I said that people who proscribed slavery were incapable of doing anything about it for most of history.

So, slavery has always been OBJECTIVELY WRONG even when it was legal and most people found it to be a good thing. It was evil then as much as it is evil now.

So if it's always been evil, why does god allow it, and make laws about how to get slaves?

On what?

On the woman and child. Rape, genetic diseases and defects, age of the mother etc determine whether the woman can abort or not.

In your own view.

No, it's in the bible. Read it.

Not true. Reality doesn't bear that out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDDZIqPeHxc

Reality does bear that out, that's why we have ideologies, values, etc.

You're concerned about the giver of life taking life. Hmmm... Your logic is alien to me. It's not evil/wrong for God to play God by removing any of his creatures from the world. Only him sees what we don't see.

This same god claims he is an all loving god, claims he won't let harm come to us and so on. Him killing people is a violation of those statements.

No evidence of any of that in the bible. You have a right to your opinion but not your facts.

The global flood that god cause killed children.
The ten plagues of Egypt killed children.
The destruction of Sodom, Gomorrah, and the Canaanite kingdoms killed children.
These are but a few of the times where god has caused more harm to children than good.

9inches:
You have a right to your opinions but not your facts.

It's like you pull this your crap 'its your opinion and not fact' when you don't know what to say again in an argument. I bet you'll tell me it's my opinion if I say cos0 = 1. Guy, it's not my opinion that your God didn't see anything bad with slavery, so your argument that God is the standard of morality is a lie. Your God's first law was for the people to have only one religion and god. How does that not violate the fundamental human right? o that's my opinion too. GOD discriminated against people of other tribes and see them as inferiors but its still my opinion, lol. Go and read your bible and stop throwing cliche at people.

9inches:
You could rephrase your questions if you are serious for dialogue or serious argument. The reason I stick to the philosophy of God's existence is to exclude people like you who lacks the wherewithal to tackle philosophical questions. I won't waste my time with you if you are not serious in your argument.

Your philosophy is wack. You could've avoided all these balderdash by saying The old prophets were either lying or they didn't know what they were saying. When you started asking if killing children was evil or not, it makes you sound like a criminally insane individual. If Jesus or Paul had heard you say that, I'm sure they'll have rebuked you and called you the devil. Jesus said be perfect as your heavenly father in heaven, Paul said imitate God as dear children. Could these guys be talking about the same God Moses or Samuel described? Jesus literally used little children as an example of people going to heaven.

Matthew 18:10 KJV
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
Does it make sense to you that the same God Jesus talked about was the same guy that ordered the killings of children in the old testament? Can't you see the conflict? If you are to follow the instructions of Jesus and Paul concerning imitating God, you should be going around killing people of other religion and stoning homosexual to death. It'll never make sense for you to defend the God of the old testament.
When John and James wanted Jesus to call down fire on people as Elijah did in Luke 9, Jesus literally rebuked them and called the act evil. He didn't try to defend the act of Elijah with any bullsh!t philosophy.

I repeat, your best bet is to say the prophets were lying, forget your philosophy.

RuthlessLeader:
Yes. The world where anything goes exists, it's today's world. But most people want a world where they and their families are safe so we can't just go around killing random people.

That's right. But the core of the whole morality question is why should a sociopath not have his own oponions and reserve the right to act out on them IF morality is subjective?

Yes. But it is practiced by those who are uneducated or not really advanced.

What sort of education or advancement do you mean? How educated and/or advanced were the people who proscribed slavery and how how uneducated and/or unadvanced were those who had slaves?

I know this, that's why I said that people who proscribed slavery were incapable of doing anything about it for most of history.

The people who proscribed slavery did not exist for most of history.

So if it's always been evil, why does god allow it, and make laws about how to get slaves?

Because God allows us to exercise our freewill. By the way, the slavery in the bible is not chattel slavery.

On the woman and child. Rape, genetic diseases and defects, age of the mother etc determine whether the woman can abort or not.

These are your justification for killing another human? Wow

No, it's in the bible. Read it.

I've read the bible multiple times; not there.

Reality does bear that out, that's why we have ideologies, values, etc.

Not true. Our ideologies differ, our values differ also.

This same god claims he is an all loving god, claims he won't let harm come to us and so on. Him killing people is a violation of those statements.

Not only that God loves, he is love itself. I don't know about you but I want a God who is love and just to be able to use his wisdom to judge, kill or save. Isn't it funny you hate that God plays God and take life in his infinite wisdom but you want human beings to be able to take life in the womb? What you are doing is using your own subjective standard to make objective moral argument.

The global flood that god cause killed children.
The ten plagues of Egypt killed children.
The destruction of Sodom, Gomorrah, and the Canaanite kingdoms killed children.
These are but a few of the times where god has caused more harm to children than good.

God taking people out of this world is not harm. IF there really is life after death, then physical death is merely a change of location. IF heaven really exists, then taking people off the universe he created to heaven would rather be a glorious thing, not harm.