Only in Nigeria...

Chubhie:
Over 200 million population blessed with abundant resources still struggling with 3000MW in 21st century

The different premise is that the Nigerian power sector apart from needing urgent massive growth has been plagued with too much of bureaucracies and sabotage. Therefore it's more than expedient to get someone with operational industry knowledge to saddle and focus on it. (May not even be an engineer but he has this knowledge) . imagine the kind of progress Barth Nnaji was able to bring to the sector.

aribisala0:




German current Energy Minister studied Law his predecessor studied..............yea you guessed right law

Incumbent in the UK studied Economics predecessor studied History

Incumbent in Japan studied political Sience

Incumbent in Russia studied Economics

So please tell us what you think our own Minster should have studied and why

Incumbent in US studied Animal Science
In Italy incumbent studied Law


What is your premise and where is the evidence

As a gocernor, before he became minister, everything seemed easy to him. Those who were managing it prior to him where immature in his own word.
Today, as a minister of power works and housing, he has achieved nothing obvious.
Nothing

Ezechinwa:


I totally agree with you!
But my concern is, with the stats, it could mean in the next 200 years we could still be struggling to have stable electricity, 40bn reserves compared to 900bn in cost, which also gets more expensive as we ignore?

Why can we learn from other neighbouring countries?

Ghana charges higher for power as does Liberia.

Ghana also scrupulously meters everyone.

If we charged higher and scrupulously metered everyone,. We would have light better, as there would be enough money for. Investment and increment of power.

Also deregulation of the downstream sector in the oil industry would bring in investment that could improve gas supply.

Malawian:
I wonder why anyone is still bordered about PHCN when you can buy yourself a solar inverter. Na money dey insult me now, otherwise, i would have bought another system for my shop. There have been no real lights (2/3hrs daily) in my area for almost a week now, but i have 24/7 Electricity at home.

Solar is only an emergency. Most people cannot afford solar for their ACs and heavy equipment at home when they even eventually buy one.

aribisala0:




German current Energy Minister studied Law his predecessor studied..............yea you guessed right law

Incumbent in the UK studied Economics predecessor studied History

Incumbent in Japan studied political Sience

Incumbent in Russia studied Economics

So please tell us what you think our own Minster should have studied and why

Incumbent in US studied Animal Science
In Italy incumbent studied Law


What is your premise and where is the evidence

Some folks do not understand that being a minister is a managerial job.

tactius:


1.Power has been in private hands since 2014 except for transmission.

2.The discos also control the means of funding

3.However, the government sets prices that the discos charges and pays a subsidy to cover the rest, meaning discos cannot make enough of a profit and have had to be bailed out by international agencies.

4.The problem is compounded by high rates of people not paying for power and by government agencies owing money. Discos have a deficit of 1trillion naira in funding.

5.as a result, discos cannot pay Gencos.

6.Govt cannot do much . Shell recently said we need 200bn dollars to fix power. Other estimates put it at 900bn. Our reserves are at 40bn.

7.The best government can do is to allow discos to.set.the prices they see as fit. Discos should also meter every house in Nigeria, and Nigerians too should pay their bills.

8.as a Reslt, funding would rise, and improvements would be made.

It happened for GSM

Government will never give discos the right to set price for the consumers because that makes no sense.

Please don't compare Telecommunication industry to Power industry. They are different in every form of it. There is competition in Telecom industry to begin with. MTN, GLO, ETisalat, Airtel are all fighting for the same set of costomers. You can only give freedom to set price in a competitive environment. That is what brings down the price in the long run.

Discos is different. Only Ikeja electric can operate in Lagos so giving them the power to set price for the consumers will effect nothing positive in the long run because they have no competitors like that of the telecom operators.

tunde4top:



Government will never give discos the right to set price for the consumers because that makes no sense.

Please don't compare Telecommunicatio with Power

Then discos would remain poorly funded and would be rejecting power from the Gencos because of lack. Of cash.

As for telecommunications, we paid 20000 and more for sim card at a time when service was so bad that we could not even make.calls between networks, and internet on your mobile was terrible and slow.

Bit because GSM companies were allowed to set their prices they made enough cash to invest in tech and infrastructure and service improved and prices fell.

If you were running a business, and government was setting your prices, not allowing you to make a. Profit because people are too.poor you won't be happy. Yet, you agree to government forcing discos to charge too low for power, and grumble when the same discos cannot afford to make. Needed improvements.

See the problem?

Ok Fashola is working. I'm sure before December it would drop to 1,000MW or even 500MW.

Nice one.

Nonsense govt.

aribisala0:




German current Energy Minister studied Law his predecessor studied..............yea you guessed right law

Incumbent in the UK studied Economics predecessor studied History

Incumbent in Japan studied political Sience

Incumbent in Russia studied Economics

So please tell us what you think our own Minster should have studied and why

Incumbent in US studied Animal Science
In Italy incumbent studied Law


What is your premise and where is the evidence

Those countries you mentioned have institutions that work and a bureaucracy that is productive. Besides that, they have privatized their energy sector which means the energy department is simply focused on policy. That is unlike Nigeria where the Minister of Power still sits down to discuss technical issue and TCN is still government run.

aribisala0:




German current Energy Minister studied Law his predecessor studied..............yea you guessed right law

Incumbent in the UK studied Economics predecessor studied History

Incumbent in Japan studied political Sience

Incumbent in Russia studied Economics

So please tell us what you think our own Minster should have studied and why

Incumbent in US studied Animal Science
In Italy incumbent studied Law


What is your premise and where is the evidence

Unku, all of those countries you highlighted have not been hovering between 2000-4000mw of electricity generation over the past 3 decades. They already have a power sector that is robust and thriving and whoever is appointed minister is simply there as a "manager" to kepp things running smoothly. Nigeria is far from the point where we can leave our power sector to people who are not knowledgeable about the technicalities involved with power infrastructure and electricity generation. This is more so, considering the corrupt tendencies that are rife within the Nigerian polity which places the country at the risk of political and contract saboteurs all in the name of executing contracts. We need the right person with the requisite expertise and will power to take the "power sector" horn by the bull and get this country working. Power is foundational to any developmental efforts until we get that right we will only be building castles in the air.

Buckubuck:


Those countries you mentioned have institutions that work and a bureaucracy that is productive. Besides that, they have privatized their energy sector which means the energy department is simply focused on policy. That is unlike Nigeria where the Minister of Power still sits down to discuss technical issue and TCN is still government run.

Well said

tactius:



Power generation has long since been privatised since 2014.

We even have a few small companies that supply gas to Gencos.

The problem is Gencos are not making a profit. Discos cannot send them enough cash because the government is setting prices and prices are kept low.

So any state run Gencos are going to be unprofitable. Unless govt allows discos to set prices and discos thus have enough money to pay Gencos who can then pay for much gas and attract investment

You're obviously a neo-capitalist apologist and a paid rat. Do you know how expensive the price per unit of electricity is presently?
24.30 per unit means if you use 1unit per hour and have power for 24hrs, you'll pay 600naira per day. Come and explain to me how that is cheap

Buckubuck:


You're obviously a neo-capitalist apologist and a paid rat. Do you know how expensive the price per unit of electricity is presently?
24.30 per unit means if you use 1unit per hour and have power for 24hrs, you'll pay 600naira per day. Come and explain to me how that is cheap

I.have a meter.and I spend 3000 per..month recharging it.

My estimated bills at my previous place.of residence was 5000 to 10000 naira monthly.
(Abuja disco figures)

600 a day? That means I would be paying 18000 a month?

Okay

Plus would you like governments setting your pricess for you if you owned your business so that the poor can afford your products?

tactius:


Then discos would remain poorly funded and would be rejecting power from the Gencos because of lack. Of cash.

As for telecommunications, we paid 20000 and more for sim card at a time when service was so bad that we could not even make.calls between networks, and internet on your mobile was terrible and slow.

Bit because GSM companies were allowed to set their prices they made enough cash to invest in tech and infrastructure and service improved and prices fell.

If you were running a business, and government was setting your prices, not allowing you to make a. Profit because people are too.poor you won't be happy. Yet, you agree to government forcing discos to charge too low for power, and grumble when the same discos cannot afford to make. Needed improvements.

See the problem?

Who told you discos are poorly funded? When SIM card was 20k, how many Nigerians could afford it? GSM companies attracted investments not necessarily because they made excess money, but more because of the Chinese companies like Huawei and ZTE who in a bid to get the vendor contracts, sold their equipment very cheaply to the telcos as well as accepted long term and structured payments. This led to job losses and underemployment in telecoms. The Telco story is not as sweet as you project it. Insiders will tell you more. Meanwhile, stop thinking that higher prices necessarily mean improved services. If it were to be so, after increasing tariff in 2016 when Fashola resumed, power should have improved. You are looking at the problem from one angle of neo-capitalism

tactius:


I.have a meter.and I spend 3000 per..month recharging it.

My estimated bills at my previous place.of residence was 5000 to 10000 naira monthly.
(Abuja disco figures)

600 a day? That means I would be paying 18000 a month?

Okay

Plus would you like governments setting your pricess for you if you owned your business so that the poor can afford your products?

First, check the quality of power you get from AEDC. I'm sure it doesn't meet industry standard of 220v/50Hz
Also, i'm sure you don't have light for more than 6hrs per day for you to pay N3000 per month or your power consumption is terribly low below the average. I'm also sure you will not be so happy to propagate increase in tariff if you were to start paying 18000 per month. The reason you're ok with it is because you're paying for it but do not know yet because you are not paying in financial terms

Next level things...
Setting us back since 2015.
By 2023 it will be 500MW.
Where Is minister of darkness defense?

EMMAACHILE:

Solar is only an emergency. Most people cannot afford solar for their ACs and heavy equipment at home when they even eventually buy one.

Na Money kill am. 2.7M will get you a 5kva System that will lift your 1HP A/C 24/7, 365days

Malawian:

Na Money kill am. 2.7M will get you a 5kva System that will lift your 1HP A/C 24/7, 365days

Imagine 2.7m just to power 1hp AC in a house. I have about 5 ACS with 2 2hp, 3 1.5hp and with this heat, i can decide to power all under public power supply but imagine the cost of Solar for this type of building. I got a quote above 10m and it was even advised that i changed them to inverter efficient dc type.

Solar is good no thought but still inefficient due to the large capital involved to replace Public Utility Supply.

Thought fashola said Nigerian are now enjoying light 24hrs?

Buckubuck:

Who told you discos are poorly funded? When SIM card was 20k, how many Nigerians could afford it? GSM companies attracted investments not necessarily because they made excess money, but more because of the Chinese companies like Huawei and ZTE who in a bid to get the vendor contracts, sold their equipment very cheaply to the telcos as well as accepted long term and structured payments. This led to job losses and underemployment in telecoms. The Telco story is not as sweet as you project it. Insiders will tell you more. Meanwhile, stop thinking that higher prices necessarily mean improved services. If it were to be so, after increasing tariff in 2016 when Fashola resumed, power should have improved. You are looking at the problem from one angle of neo-capitalism

Really...
So that's how huawei become the largest manufacturer of telecommunication equipments....
But can u explain how what u wrote depresses the telecom market leading to underemployment....

Buckubuck:


First, check the quality of power you get from AEDC. I'm sure it doesn't meet industry standard of 220v/50Hz
Also, i'm sure you don't have light for more than 6hrs per day for you to pay N3000 per month or your power consumption is terribly low below the average. I'm also sure you will not be so happy to propagate increase in tariff if you were to start paying 18000 per month. The reason you're ok with it is because you're paying for it but do not know yet because you are not paying in financial terms

It seem u have good knowledge of the power industry unlike some just talking theory n propagating failed capitalist ideology....
Now what do u think of this idea....
Let the big cities like Lagos, P.H, Abuja and industrial areas come off the national grid n let them establish independent power plant to supply them electricity...
Thereby shedding load off the national grid to supply the rest of the nation who will not be able to afford the project...

OBJ is worth $32 Billion. $16 Billion of that is our electricity money. How come we are not asking him for the money?

SIRTee15:


Really...
So that's how huawei become the largest manufacturer of telecommunication equipments....
But can u explain how what u wrote depresses the telecom market leading to underemployment....

Good question. Companies like Huawei took contracts to manage the Telco infrastructure thereby sacking the workers and employing new staff at lower pay and almost no emoluments with short term contracts. They also employed fewer number to do the job of many and even exported some to India and Kenya. This is because of the weak regulatory environment we have in Nigeria wc usually leads to exploitation and also corruption by our govt

SIRTee15:


It seem u have good knowledge of the power industry unlike some just talking theory n propagating failed capitalist ideology....
Now what do u think of this idea....
Let the big cities like Lagos, P.H, Abuja and industrial areas come off the national grid n let them establish independent power plant to supply them electricity...
Thereby shedding load off the national grid to supply the rest of the nation who will not be able to afford the project...

National grid is an old system. It should only exist where govt is the major supplier of power. Your idea is how it should be and what we are moving towards. Nigeria's present system of national grid has too much losses and high maintenance cost due to long transmission distance. This is why TCN is still being run by govt. Incremental power as you're positing will cure most of such ills in the long run but we need brilliant and smart ideas to really take us to the level we aspire. Unfortunately, there is no one in this govt who has the ability to think outside the box like that. Most of the ministers are politicians

Patode:
OBJ is worth $32 Billion. $16 Billion of that is our electricity money. How come we are not asking him for the money?

Because you were fed such lies of $16bn by failures in power when they were looking for excuses to cover their failures. First, there's nothing like $16bn electricity money has as been established since 2008 by the House of Reps committee that investigated it. Second, the turbines purchased by OBJ to boost power production and drive us from steam turbines to gas turbines which are more efficient were abandoned at the ports by Yar'adua and GEJ govts due to bad blood and inefficiency. Fashola has granted waivers for some of them and some are still yet to be cleared.

EMMAACHILE:

Imagine 2.7m just to power 1hp AC in a house. I have about 5 ACS with 2 2hp, 3 1.5hp and with this heat, i can decide to power all under public power supply but imagine the cost of Solar for this type of building. I got a quote above 10m and it was even advised that i changed them to inverter efficient dc type.

Solar is good no thought but still inefficient due to the large capital involved to replace Public Utility Supply.

All these A/C you want to on at the same time, if they give you prepaid meter, will you on it?
Nothing beats having Electricity whenever you want it, and inverter can carry Freezer, so take cold water for the heat.

Malawian:

All these A/C you want to on at the same time, if they give you prepaid meter, will you on it?
Nothing beats having Electricity whenever you want it, and inverter can carry Freezer, so take cold water for the heat.[b][/b]

aribisala0:




German current Energy Minister studied Law his predecessor studied..............yea you guessed right law

Incumbent in the UK studied Economics predecessor studied History

Incumbent in Japan studied political Sience

Incumbent in Russia studied Economics

So please tell us what you think our own Minster should have studied and why

Incumbent in US studied Animal Science
In Italy incumbent studied Law


What is your premise and where is the evidence

You're mentioning countries that have already achieved self sufficiency in power production. They can even have a medical doctor as energy minister, it doesn't matter.

Kennydoc:


You're mentioning countries that have already achieved self sufficiency in power production. They can even have a medical doctor as energy minister, it doesn't matter.

So explain your reasoning

Countries that have not achieved that should do what?

Those countries that achieved it it did so by ..........
Kindly explain

I really want to know how your mind works

Buckubuck:


Those countries you mentioned have institutions that work and a bureaucracy that is productive. Besides that, they have privatized their energy sector which means the energy department is simply focused on policy. That is unlike Nigeria where the Minister of Power still sits down to discuss technical issue and TCN is still government run.

So the solution is creating institutions thst work. That is the problem and solution

Going to get a Phd in electrical engineering is not the issue.
Creating institutions require very different skills from engineering machines

Institutions that work and that is a political problem

The logic of many of you is like suggesting that only a Nigerian Policemam can fix the Nigerian Police. I laugh in SARS

being:
The different premise is that the Nigerian power sector apart from needing urgent massive growth has been plagued with too much of bureaucracies and sabotage. Therefore it's more than expedient to get someone with operational industry knowledge to saddle and focus on it. (May not even be an engineer but he has this knowledge) . imagine the kind of progress Barth Nnaji was able to bring to the sector.

Operational industry knowledge from where to do what?

Is that the job of a minister
Countries like Dubai Kuwait and many other petrodollar rich countries outsourced the problem, paid for it and got results . The Ministers job in doing that is to ensure he gets a good deal for his country

There is nothing so complex about electricity generatiion that a high school graduate cannot understand.

I would rather have an administrator who has experience of assembling teams, of negotiating contracts and so on than an Engineer who has been an employee all his life at Siemens

Go and read about Henry Ford , How much engineering knowledge did he have. Yet he assembled teams of engineers and got them to do his bidding.Often they would tell him what he wanted was IMPOSSIBLE but he always got his way.

Today his name is still on the cars and those engineers are long forgotten.

A leaders job is to see the vision and find a team to deliver it

Hitler had no military background but still managed to control a formidable army and capture almost all of Europe but for American intervention.

What does Dangote know about refining??

Guy leave that story.

The only thing Dangote has is a will that bends other men into
I am sure Dangote would be a better power Minister than most Nigerian Engineers