The problem with making a non technocrat the minister of power in Nigeria is that he will be saddled with technical responsibility as well as policy making....
And he's going to struggle with the former esp as our power sector is experiencing its most challenging period....
If fashola is to continue as minister of power, then we need to appoint an independent technical lead to head the technical department.....

This is an assumption

Just like saying its good to be good

We had soldiers and others in the past who did very well

The underlying assumption is the problem is technical

It is not.

For years NEPA was pubic enterprise it should have been privatized a long time ago bt the so called technocrats advised against it

GMs at NEPA almost always retired as millionaires with fleets of cars after stealing NEPA property blind
Transformers were stolen with impunity

Now we have privatized


There is the issue of NIGERIAN culture those are not technocrat issues.
Appointments made on Nepotistic grounds

I hate to prasse him but Buhari was competent as petroleum minister and things worked
. He had no tecnnical knowledge.


So this idea that there is a REQUIREMENT for technical knowledge

Why don't we on the same basis disqualify Civilians from becoming Commander in Chief of the Armed forces

because the idea is dogma not logic


Just a point of interest the first Nigerian CEO of MTN was A LAWYER

was he saddled with technical issue?

When he lost his job it was on a point of Law ironically

MTN failed to obey the law on registraion security identity

It is a funny fact how Nigerian shun evidence when it disagrees with their emotionally held beliefs

The reality is in business and in government lawyers are most likely to rise to the top even in very technical sectors
Go through the Top blue chip companies they are always there same in government

Bill Clinton, his Wife , Obama Tony Blair his wife I could go on for ever

Selegine Royal former Energy Minister in France this is not a coincidence.

There is a very good reason why companies as diverse as

Bank of America
First Energy
Delta Airlines
Goldman Sachs
Nokia
Pfizer
Burger King
American Express
Cisco
Home Depot
National Amusements, Inc. (Parent of Viacom nd CBS)
have had lawyers as CEOs

Please leave that technical story

aribisala0:

50 years ago-100 years ago the law in UK was the same you had to be an eleted MP before becoming a Minister.

ALL MINISTERS

So it is in parliamentary systems

Fashola has failed.

Forget long stories.

PrecisionFx:


Fashola has failed.

Forget long stories.

Maybe he has failed I do not think I commented on that did I?

If he failed he won't be the first just the latest

My point is it has nothing to do with being a lawyer
How many of the other failures were lawyers??

aribisala0:
This is an assumption

Just like saying its good to be good

We had soldiers and others in the past who did very well

The underlying assumption is the problem is technical

It is not.

For years NEPA was pubic enterprise it should have been privatized a long time ago bt the so called technocrats advised against it

GMs at NEPA almost always retired as millionaires with fleets of cars after stealing NEPA property blind
Transformers were stolen with impunity

Now we have privatized


There is the issue of NIGERIAN culture those are not technocrat issues.
Appointments made on Nepotistic grounds

I hate to prasse him but Buhari was competent as petroleum minister and things worked
. He had no tecnnical knowledge.


So this idea that there is a REQUIREMENT for technical knowledge

Why don't we on the same basis disqualify Civilians from becoming Commander in Chief of the Armed forces

because the idea is dogma not logic


Just a point of interest the first Nigerian CEO of MTN was A LAWYER

was he saddled with technical issue?

When he lost his job it was on a point of Law ironically

MTN failed to obey the law on registraion security identity

U mixing administrative roles with technical roles....
They are different....
Ministers are meant to be administrators not technocrats....

CEOs do not necessarily need to be technocrats because their role is mainly managerial n administrative....
The technical aspects is handled by the technical dept. and the head will definitely be a technocrat....

Now to nigeria....
The minister of finance shouldn't necessary be a technocrat but strategic parastatal heads in the ministry should be led by thorough-bred n sound technocrats e.g cbn governor, auditor general, accountant general, NDIC, security n exchange commisions etc
U can't appoint a medical doctor as cbn governor, that's recipe for monetary policy disaster....
The minister of defence can be a cobbler for all I care, but the service chiefs must be men of military ranks with wealth of experience in their respective field...
The aviation minister might not even know what an airport looks like, but u can't afford a novice to head nigeria civil aviation authority, accident n investigation bureau, FAN...

These strategic parastatals drive policy implementation n putting a novice in charge will seriously mess things up....
Civil servants in the ministry/parastatal will either destroy him or mess him up....
One thing to note is unlike China n other developed countries, career progression in federal civil service is promotion driven not merit...
Thus, nigerian civil servants cannot be called true technocrats and that's why they cannot be trusted to implement political n technical decisions without adequate supervision....
Their passion is material driven, not result driven.....
They know they cannot be dismissed for implementation failure and will still be promoted anyway....

It's different abroad where civil service progression is mostly result driven.....
The minister of health in UK doesn't run the NHS....
He's not even a member of the non executive board....
The NHS is run by consultants from differnt health related fields with wealth of experience in both clinical and admistrative practice.....
That goes to show how independent institutions work in developed countries.....

But even at that, non technocrat heads of institution come under scrutiny at critical periods...
For example, the director of FEMA during hurricane Katrina, Michael Brown was sacked after being accused of incompetence and his ability to head emergency and rescue agency was questioned due to his law background....

Fashola is directly involved in technical decisions as regards power...
That is wrong and it's obvious they scaming him...
That was how they scammed bola Ige n obasanjo by collecting huge amount of money for IPP, yet not one single digit of unit was added to the national grid....

The technical department in power sure needs a technocrat lead.....
Except we just want to economical with the truth....

SIRTee15:


U mixing administrative roles with technical roles....
They are different....
Ministers are meant to be administrators not technocrats....

CEOs do not necessarily need to be technocrats because their role is mainly managerial n administrative....
The technical aspects is handled by the technical dept. and the head will definitely be a technocrat....

Now to nigeria....
The minister of finance shouldn't necessary be a technocrat but strategic parastatal heads in the ministry should be led by thorough-bred n sound technocrats e.g cbn governor, auditor general, accountant general, NDIC, security n exchange commisions etc
U can't appoint a medical doctor as cbn governor, that's recipe for monetary policy disaster....
The minister of defence can be a cobbler for all I care, but the service chiefs must be men of military ranks with wealth of experience in their respective field...
The aviation minister might not even know what an airport looks like, but u can't afford a novice to head nigeria civil aviation authority, accident n investigation bureau, FAN...

These strategic parastatals drive policy implementation n putting a novice in charge will seriously mess things up....
Civil servants in the ministry/parastatal will either destroy him or mess him up....
One thing to note is unlike China n other developed countries, career progression in federal civil service is promotion driven not merit...
Thus, nigerian civil servants cannot be called technocrats and that's why they cannot be trusted to implement political decisions without adequate supervision....
Their passion is material driven, not result driven.....

It's different abroad where civil service progression is mostly result driven.....
The minister of health in UK doesn't run the NHS....
He's not even a member of the non executive board....
The NHS is run by consultants from differnt health related fields with wealth of experience in both clinical and admistrative practice.....
That goes to show how independent institutions work in developed countries.....

But even at that, non technocrat heads of institution come under scrutiny at critical periods...
For example, the director of FEMA during hurricane Katrina, Michael Brown was sacked after being accused of incompetence and his ability to head emergency and rescue agency was questioned due to his law background....

Fashola is directly involved in technical decisions as regards power...
That is wrong and it's obvious they scaming him...
That was how they scammed bola Ige n obasanjo by collecting huge amount of money for IPP, yet not one single digit of unit was added to the national grid....

The technical department in power sure needs a technocrat lead.....
Except we just want to economical with the truth....

Sorry I am not mixing anything YOU or your mates are the one defining a Ministers job as TECHNICAL not me
Where in this treatise have I MIXED anything??
I think you are just seeking to be noticed
What nonsense is this technical department and being economical with the truth?
Did you read anything I wrote before quoting me


I already gave you lists of countries
instead you and your ilk are changing the rules to say it is not technical in the US France Germany etc but it is in Nigeria

Simple question on what basis

I really do not know what you mean by "administrative" because that needs defining

The way I understand it a CEO is not just an administrator but an Executive which is what the President is and Ministers are deputies of the president
Even our constitution mentions the phrase EXECUTIVE POWER. It is not trivial
They can enter contracts binding on the Nation for decades or generations

CEOs can decide to sell business Units e.g They can enter Merger talks and so on so let us be clear what you mean by administration
It is clear you are talking theory here


There is absolutely NOTHING technical about a Minister. That is why he has civil servants
A minister is a political role that exercises EXECUTIVE POLITICAL power on BEHALF of the President

Those two things must not be forgotten

Executive Political power
On behalf of the President

It is just as ridiculou to say
the COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE ARMED FORCES IS A TECHNICAL role or and administrative role whatever that means

It is an Executive role.


not technical and I do not know what administrative means if if is not Executive


The NHS is NOT run by consultants that iis nonsense
It is run by executives who very rarely are doctors , very very rarely.

No need to go fishing for stuff you know nothing about

There is no gazette or statute that defines Ministers in Nigeria as Technical

The constitution is clear on their function as executive deputies

aribisala0:

Maybe he has failed I do not think I commented on that did I?

If he failed he won't be the first just the latest

My point is it has nothing to do with being a lawyer
How many of the other failures were lawyers??

Lawyer in the Nigerian power sector has failed before his first day in office.

French degree holder failed as minister for agriculture long before his first day in office.

Same applies to the doctor minister for Labour.







We made massive strides in GEJs regime in Power because he only chose ministers who are technocrats n are presently practicing in whichever fields they are called for.

Agriculture minister read Africa Econs.

Power minister was a professor of mech engineering.

And many more.








The Nigerian power sector is a dead sector and can never be bright back to life by a doctor, lawyer, illiterate or Accountant.

aribisala0:


Sorry I am not mixing anything YOU or your mates are the one defining a Ministers job as TECHNICAL not me
Where in this treatise have I MIXED anything??
I think you are just seeking to be noticed
What nonsense is this technical department and being economical with the truth?
Did you read anything I wrote before quoting me


I already gave you lists of countries
instead you and your ilk are changing the rules to say it is not technical in the US France Germany etc but it is in Nigeria

Simple question on what basis

I really do not know what you mean by "administrative" because that needs defining

The way I understand it a CEO is not just an administrator but an Executive which is what the President is and Ministers are deputies of the president
Even our constitution mentions the phrase EXECUTIVE POWER. It is not trivial
They can enter contracts binding on the Nation for decades or generations

CEOs can decide to sell business Units e.g They can enter Merger talks and so on so let us be clear what you mean by administration
It is clear you are talking theory here


There is absolutely NOTHING technical about a Minister. That is why he has civil servants
A minister is a political role that exercises EXECUTIVE POLITICAL power on BEHALF of the President

Those two things must not be forgotten

Executive Political power
On behalf of the President

It is just as ridiculou to say
the COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE ARMED FORCES IS A TECHNICAL role or and administrative role whatever that means

It is an Executive role.


not technical and I do not know what administrative means if if is not Executive


The NHS is NOT run by consultants that iis nonsense
It is run by executives who very rarely are doctors , very very rarely.

No need to go fishing for stuff you know nothing about

There is no gazette or statute that defines Ministers in Nigeria as Technical

The constitution is clear on their function as executive deputies

U just playing with words.....
Clutching at straws....

A CEO is an executive position that handles managerial and administrative role of a business....

Merger and acquisition are non-technical aspect of business....

Dangote wants to sell his flour business, he doesn't need to know how wheat turns to flour to make that decision...

He's building a refinery, he has no business with how crude oil turns to gasoline or diesel to be the CEO...
But he's definitely going to appoint an expert-experienced engineer to ensure final products from his refinery are satisfactory and up to global standard....

The above role is what fashola is performing in ministry of power....
A role he has no business with....

A CEO will only make technical decision on behalf of the company if he's got the technical background to do so....
For example, sundar pichai can make technical decision for Google as the CEO, because he's a software engineer....

Pls just google definition of EXECUTIVE if u not familiar with the word....
It clearly mentioned administrative and managerial role u confused about....

Head of state as commander in chief is an assumed role to ensure civilian authority over the military in order to prevent state within a state....
The civilian head will normally lean on his service chiefs to make technical and military decision....
Except u the punk head guy in north Korea or whatever....


U mentioned NHS....
I said consultant in health related field run NHS....
I want to believe u know consultants isn't synonym with doctors and business consultants exist.....

Here is the board of directors of NHS
https://www.england.nhs.uk/about/board/members/#nonexec
There are all seasoned consultants with wealth of experience in health related fields b4 they joined NHS....
btw, 3 of them are medical doctors, so your statement that doctors rarely run NHS is a big lie....

Go back and read my first post....
It hasn't changed....
If fashola is to remain as power minister.....
He should be relieved of the technical duty and handed over to an independent technocrat just like cbn governor or NCAA director....
He's shortchanging the nation assuming that role....

SIRTee15:




The above role is what fashola is performing in ministry of power....
A role he has no business with....

How do you know this ? Where is the evidence that Fashola performs technical functions without advice
I don't know what you base this on.

Perhaps you have minutes of the Ministry meetings

SIRTee15:




U mentioned NHS....
I said consultant in health related field run NHS....
I want to believe u know consultants isn't synonym with doctors and business consultants exist.....

Here is the board of directors of NHS
https://www.england.nhs.uk/about/board/members/#nonexec
There are all seasoned consultants with wealth of experience in health related fields b4 they joined NHS....
btw, 3 of them are medical doctors, so your statement that doctors rarely run NHS is a big lie....

Go back and read my first post....
It hasn't changed....
If fashola is to remain as power minister.....
He should be relieved of the technical duty and handed over to an independent technocrat just like cbn governor or NCAA director....
He's shortchanging the nation assuming that role....

Guy stop talking nonsense

Consultants are not the same as board members .
You are the one clucthing at straws .

You said consultants RUN the NHS

Then you show a link to Non-Executive directors as evidence.

Do you know what a non-executive director is

??

They do NOT RUN anything

and importantly they do NOT perform ANY CONSULTING whatsoever as in ZERO in a Non-executive capacity

Finally the NHS is not one entity.

It is literally DOZENS of Trusts, Dozens of boards so posting a link of one board tells us littlee about THE NHS and what you posted does not buttress your absurd claim that consultans Healthcare, which is what was originally implied or Management as you are now shifting to run the NHS.
Neither is correct
The NHS like any other business may use consultans AS CONTRACTOR where necessary
They DO NOT RUN the NHS and they are NOT on the Boards

The NHS is run by Executive Boards Headed by a CEO , Finance Directors, Operation Directors Medical Director etc with Non -executive Directors mainly as observers with no day to day function

Like I said do not digress stick to the topic and what you know.



The Mimister of Power in Nigeria is a political appointee eercising executive power on behalf of the President

aribisala0:


Guy stop talking nonsense

Consultants are not the same as board members .
You are the one clucthing at straws .

You said consultants RUN the NHS

Then you show a link to Non-Executive directors as evidence.

Do you know what a non-executive director is

??

They do NOT RUN anything

and importantly they do NOT perform ANY CONSULTING whatsoever as in ZERO in a Non-executive capacity

Finally the NHS is not one entity.

It is literally DOZENS of Trusts, Dozens of boards so posting a link of one board tells us littlee about THE NHS and what you posted does not buttress your absurd claim that consultans Healthcare, which is what was originally implied or Management as you are now shifting to run the NHS.
Neither is correct
The NHS like any other business may use consultans AS CONTRACTOR where necessary
They DO NOT RUN the NHS and they are NOT on the Boards

The NHS is run by Executive Boards Headed by a CEO , Finance Directors, Operation Directors Medical Director etc with Non -executive Directors mainly as observers with no day to day function

Like I said do not digress stick to the topic and what you know.



The Mimister of Power in Nigeria is a political appointee eercising executive power on behalf of the President

Aribisala swear to me that u scrolled down that list and u didn't see the list of executive directors of NHS england....
Guys that actually run the show....
Let's learn to be honest for once, even if it's a difficult thing to do....
Besides, the argument of NHS board came up to butress the independence of institution abroad run by technocrats and why u can have a funeral home director as health minister in UK....
No need going back and forth on NHS, since u don't even want to admit your lack of depth about NHS....
U don't even know the difference btw NHS England board and NHS trusts' board....

SIRTee15:


Aribisala swear to me that u scrolled down that list and u didn't see the list of executive directors of NHS england....
Guys that actually run the show....
Let's learn to be honest for once, even if it's a difficult thing to do....
Besides, the argument of NHS board came up to butress the independence of institution abroad run by technocrats and why u can have a funeral home director as health minister in UK....
No need going back and forth on NHS, since u don't even want to admit your lack of depth about NHS....
U don't even know the difference btw NHS England board and NHS trusts' board....

Guy if you want to discuss NHS create a thread for that


NHS Director are not consultants

Consultants are contractors

They DO NOT RUN the NHS

We are discussing Power Minister and it really is not clear to me what your point is on that issue so you have chosen to bring in all manner of digression

aribisala0:
Guy if you want to discuss NHS create a thread for that


NHS Director are not consultants

Consultants are contractors

They DO NOT RUN the NHS

We are discussing Power Minister and it really is not clear to me what your point is on that issue so you have chosen to bring in all manner of digression

Consultants are not contractors....
I don't know where u got that from....
I'm a consultant and I'm not a contractor...

This is the definition of consultant.....
a person who provides expert advice professionally.

NHS executives directors are consultants...
Stick to what u know, avoid what u ignorant about....

Fashola isn't a consultant in electricity related affairs....
He should steer clear and stop wasting everybody's time...
Simple.....

SIRTee15:


Consultants are not contractors....
I don't know where u got that from....
I'm a consultant and I'm not a contractor...

This is the definition of consultant.....
a person who provides expert advice professionally.

NHS executives directors are consultants...
Stick to what u know, avoid what u ignorant about....

Fashola isn't a consultant in electricity related affairs....
He should steer clear and stop wasting everybody's time...
Simple.....

Why do you insist on derailing this thread because of you vanity
Create annother thread I will indulge you

So consultants in the NHS are members of the board

Just to be clear we are talking of Management consultants and not medical consultants?


Can you kindly define "consulting"

I am learning something New hear
That executive members of a board are consultants

Guy let us focus on the subject here becase you are talking nonsense

SIRTee15:


Consultants are not contractors....
I don't know where u got that from....
I'm a consultant and I'm not a contractor...

This is the definition of consultant.....
a person who provides expert advice professionally.

NHS executives directors are consultants...
Stick to what u know, avoid what u ignorant about....

Fashola isn't a consultant in electricity related affairs....
He should steer clear and stop wasting everybody's time...
Simple.....

Why do you insist on derailing this thread because of you vanity
Create annother thread I will indulge you

So consultants in the NHS are members of the board

Just to be clear we are talking of Management consultants and not medical consultants?



I am learning something New here
That executive members of a board are consultants

Guy let us focus on the subject here becase you are talking nonsense