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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by oluwaveeboy(m): 11:42pm On Apr 30, 2019 |
iuwe:I don't think is flawed. Remember avengers initial plan wasn't to wipe out thanos but to bring back others nd they did that bt unfortunately 2014 thanos found out abt it nd traveled to the future with another purpose entirely (to wipe out all things nd create another universe) so the avengers had no other plan than to compromise by wiping thanos nd his armies out of existence. Also for infinity war, I don't think those that were wiped out during IW would av been brought back if the avengers had just killed the younger thanos without using the infinity stone to bring them back coz whatever the infinity stones has been used for will be permanent,there is nothing that can change it even travelling back in time can't undo whatever the IS did |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by HRwells: 12:13am On May 01, 2019 |
Collinz2:how the f do you know how time travel works.. have you ever time travelled?? ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by HRwells: 12:15am On May 01, 2019 |
I can't believe you all are arguing how time travel works like as if any of YOU HAVE TIME TRAVELLED BEFORE! ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by waywardpikin: 12:25am On May 01, 2019 |
So apparently, Thanos gave Hulk such an asś whooping in Infinity War that it drove him back to sanity. Compare the Hulk of New York in 2012 to Endgame Prof Hulk. That guy was neutered mehn, they chopped the green man's balls off and gave him to eat. First he got his asś whooped like a toddler by Tony Stark in AoU, then nearly got killed by Thor in Ragnarok, then was decimated by Thanos in Infinity War. In Endgame, he was just like a domesticated animal that anyone could play with and take selfies with. My question is, why does Marvel hate the Hulk so much? Why? Why? Why?? He deserved better abeg! ![]() |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 12:53am On May 01, 2019 |
oluwaveeboy:the stone took gamora fro sacrifice. But gamora came back. |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by oluwaveeboy(m): 5:29am On May 01, 2019 |
CHESTER48:gamora did not come back, it was 2014 gamora that traveled to the future 2023 to fight along side with thanos before she change her mind because of her future sister 2023 nebula |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 7:07am On May 01, 2019 |
iuwe:if she killed her past self she will immediately go out of existence, but that never happened No, the thanos of 2014 and that of 2018 are from the same timeline but different time point because it won't make any sense to kill another Thanos from a reality that is not yours.Noooo, hulk said you can't change the future by going back in time !!!! He said it, he said it. If they killed Thanos of 2014 in the same timeline that means infinity war never happened which will automatically remove the purpose of travelling back in time in the first place because the snap never happened. This is what marvel avoided by setting the rules at the beginning of the movie that YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE FUTURE BY GOING BACK IN TIME. |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 7:20am On May 01, 2019 |
iuwe:why does it not make sense? As I said the thanos 2014 is from an alternate reality running parallel with the MCU timeline so anything thanos of the MCu was going to do than Thanos from alternate reality will do too The 2014 thanos has not yet done what the 2018 Thanos did but was going to that was why when nebula started having alternative memory he (Thanos) said they were from the future (not alternative reality) trying to undo what the 2018 Thanos did.Ebony explained it in the movie that two nebulas was connecting to their framework. Infact one of his one liner was "you couldn't live with your own failure and where does that lead you, Back to me". That alone showed it was not an alternative reality but a different time point in the same time continum.that means nothing because thanos can't know whether they are from the future from same timeline or another timeline. So I ask if the 2014 thanos was snapped out of reality, then the purpose of the avengers going back in time has been defeated. Infinity war wouldn't had happened because Thanos wasn't alive at that time.this was the reason endgame did not take that approach because they wanted the previous to stand and still happen. |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 7:26am On May 01, 2019 |
iuwe:if you can use the alternate reality time travel theory I have been saying you will see that there was no mistake like that. Please just use on this post |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 7:28am On May 01, 2019 |
waywardpikin:marvel doesn't have the full right to hulk yet. That meant be the problem because if hulk or namor are the main guys in any marvel movie , universal studios will be the main distributor of the movie and Disney won't allow that |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 7:34am On May 01, 2019 |
hulk616:You are literally saying what I am saying. Nebula didn't kill herself. Nebula is almost all machine, I don't think she can be killed with just one strike and gamora wouldn't let them kill her. hulk616:Yes, hulk said you can't change your future, but he said they can make their future their past and then create another future where nobody was snapped out. The purpose of time travel in Endgame is to go to the past (not another reality)where they last saw the infinity stones, retrieve it, take it to their present, and then recreate a future where the snap was undone hence making Thanos snap which was their present a past event. But during all their skimming and plotting, they didn't plan that 2014 Thanos would figure out their plan aka nebula effect that was why when he attacked them, they weren't prepared. But by snapping the Thanos of 2014 out of reality, there shouldn't be a Thanos of 2018 and 2019 but alas, that didn't happen. That alone defeated their purpose of time travel. Had they just send him back to his original time point, that would had been more convincing and correct. |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 7:37am On May 01, 2019 |
hulk616:If I use that point then everything was happening in a reality that isn't their, so anything they do there wouldn't affect their reality. That one is even worse. |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 7:49am On May 01, 2019 |
iuwe:almost. And nebula was killed Yes, hulk said you can't change your future, but he said they can make their future their past and then create another future where nobody was snapped out.yes now we are going somewhere. Then when hulk travelled back in time and met the ancient one she said removing the infinity stones will create alternate timeline. Lets use the corrected flashpoint storyline, when flash was back in time and saved his mother a new timeline was formed with the help of reverse flash, then when flash went back to prevent himself for travelling back in time in the first place he did not return to his timeline because of what Dr Manhattan did. But that timeline(flashpoint) was still running before Dr Manhattan finally erased it in the button. And you know this whole rebirth is about connecting the pre new 52 and rebirth lines. The purpose of time travel in Endgame is to go to the past (not another reality)where they last saw the infinity stones, retrieve it, take it to their present, and then recreate a future where the snap was undone hence making Thanos snap which was their present a past event. But during all their skimming and plotting, they didn't plan that 2014 Thanos would figure out their plan aka nebula effect that was why when he attacked them, they weren't prepared. |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by waywardpikin: 7:53am On May 01, 2019 |
Time travel storylines always leads to these kinds of discussions between iuwe and hulk616. Very mind numbing. With time travel, the both of you are right and the both of you are wrong. It is the ultimate deux ex machina. You can contrive the fùck out of anything however the fùck you want. On a side note, Thor is quite hilarious though. His comedic timing is genius, methinks he's naturally a goofball. I really loved him in EG. |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 7:54am On May 01, 2019 |
hulk616:This is the main reason why parallel reality wouldn't work. What's the rule of the infinity gauntlet in the comics? The infinity gauntlet and stone only works on the reality/dimension where is was collected and would only affect that reality/dimension. Verdict- IF THE AVENGERS FOUGHT THANOS OF ANOTHER REALTY, THEN ALL THERE ACTIVITIES WOULDN'T AFFECT THEIR OWN REALITY. THE REVIVED AVENGERS WOULDN'T BE FROM THEIR OWN REALITY BUT AN ALTERNATE ONE. So you see alternative reality theory doesn't work at all. hulk616:Because they were the same nebula, even Thanos said they were from the future, and when Ebony tried to kill nebula for betrayal Thanos stopped him because he knew that the future Nebula would also die. hulk616:Thanos literally said they were from the future trying to undo what he (2014 Thanos) would do in the future. You really need to go back to the cinema. ![]() When Scarlet witch was fighting him, she told him he was going to pay for killing vision, but he didn't know what she was talking about because he haven't done anything yet. hulk616:By snapping 2014 thanos out of reality they already discredited the event of infinity war. |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 7:55am On May 01, 2019 |
iuwe:Thanos and his army from 2014 from the newly created timeline were fighting in the main timeline (MCU). Thanos dying in the main timeline removes him from his own reality but captain America returning all the infinity stones back erases all the alternate reality created completely |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by pu7pl3(m): 8:02am On May 01, 2019 |
hulk616: I get what he is saying...since traveling back and forth through time doesnt affect anything that means the thanos they snapped out of existence was futile cos there would still be 2015 thanos or 2016 thanos roaming around still looking for the stones...thats the flaw he is pointing out i think |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 8:02am On May 01, 2019 |
hulk616:but the future changed after they went back in time. They went back to collect the stones and the future changed. Thanos didn't wield the stones anymore instead he came to collect it all from iron Man. Anyway. I still understand that movie. But just want to clear u small. |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 8:10am On May 01, 2019 |
hulk616:stop saying this timeline thing.it confuses people. Thanos that fought them was from the past. The future than died. Since they went to the pa's to take the infinity stone, you noticed loki was still alive. So assuming loki traveled back with them, then thanos wouldn't have killed him. Because he traveled to the future from the past. Thanos is same thanos from the past coming to the future to fulfil the prophecy. |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 8:15am On May 01, 2019 |
iuwe:the avengers went back in time to pick the story in their own reality (MCU) by removing the stories at that point in time they Automatically create another timeline. So the stones used in endgame were still for their timeline but from the past. And Thanos 2014 from another timeline entered the main timeline (MCU) which means the effects of the stones in that reality will affect him. So that rules of the stones and gauntlet we're never broken Because they were the same nebula, even Thanos said they were from the future, and when Ebony tried to kill nebula for betrayal Thanos stopped him because he knew that the future Nebula would also die.Thanos had a plan to wrap out half the universe, so seeing the clips of future nebula he knew did it in the FUTURE. Thanos stopped ebony Because he had a plan for her to redeem herself Thanos literally said they were from the future trying to undo what he (2014 Thanos) would do in the future. You really need to go back to the cinema.Thanos had a plan to wrap out half the universe, so seeing the clips of future nebula he knew did it in the FUTURE. Thanos had a plan to wrap out half the universe, so seeing the clips of future nebula he knew did it in the FUTURE. When Scarlet witch was fighting him, she told him he was going to pay for killing vision, but he didn't know what she was talking about because he haven't done anything yet.because he is from 2014 of another reality By snapping 2014 thanos out of reality they already discredited the event of infinity war.Noooooo |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by larride(m): 8:17am On May 01, 2019 |
pu7pl3: No. It seems the guy is just arguing for arguing sake. When the Avengers went back in time to get the stones, their aim is to undo the snap and bring back those that Thanos wished away. Thanos is already dead at the beginning so undoing the snap won’t bring Thanos back. The timeline in Endgame is the current timeline, all other timelines are alternative timelines. Prof Hulk already said you can’t go back in time to change the past because the future is set already. If Thanos 2014 had not find Nebula 2023 and she opened the portal for him to come to 2023, Thanos would still have gotten the stones and wipe out half of the world and in 2018 the avengers undo the snap in 2023. Going back in time doesn’t change the past. When Thanos 2014 came to the main timeline 2023, he had no idea of whatever he had done before except for what he heard on Nebula memory scan. That is why after Hulk used the stone to wish away Thanos and his army, the timeline remained the same. Asgard still remain destroyed, Loki still remain dead. The only difference was that those that was snapped away came back but they had the memory that something happened and they were turned to dust. The time travel makes sense and realistic. |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 8:18am On May 01, 2019 |
pu7pl3:yes everything that happened since 2008 still happened, but that thanos snapped out in endgame was from another reality. Now that reality will be without thanos but captain America returning all the stones Automatically erases those reality created |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 8:20am On May 01, 2019 |
CHESTER48:the future did not change!! By removing the stones at that time a new reality is formed, so that Thanos that came from from another reality. |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by larride(m): 8:22am On May 01, 2019 |
CHESTER48: No. The future did not change. Asgard still remain destroyed Loki remain dead Those that was snapped back to life remembered what happened before the snap. The future did not change. Pay attention when watching movies pls. |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 8:23am On May 01, 2019 |
larride:thank you!!!!! you are saying the same thing I have been saying since yesterday |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 8:26am On May 01, 2019 |
larride:thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you I watched this movie 4 times because of this time travel stuff |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by larride(m): 8:30am On May 01, 2019 |
Marvel surely have raised the standard to another level. Endgame is my best cinematic experience yet. Even Bae became a believer. ![]() Take a bow Thanos, definition of a true villain. I saw Far From Home trailer, damn I can’t wait for July 5. |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by pu7pl3(m): 8:34am On May 01, 2019 |
larride: Lol...this one has turned everything on its head ![]() |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 8:37am On May 01, 2019 |
Russo brothers supported what I m being saying since https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/avengers-endgame-director-explains-big-plot-hole-caps/ |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by pu7pl3(m): 8:39am On May 01, 2019 |
hulk616: If returning the stones to where thanos isnt(cos he is already dead twice) will change the reality back to how it was doesnt it mean that thanos will still be there in the past gathering the stones which means infinity war was going to happen allover again hence defeating the purpose of everything
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by stapes(m): 8:40am On May 01, 2019 |
you guys are both right going by different standards. the thing is, nobody has ever time travelled, so there is no universal rule or standard for it,it's just all imagination. the problem with this argument is "iuwe" is using the flashpoint's rule of time travel to judge EG time travel. from what I could deduce from the hulk's explanation,EG time is fixed, nothing you do can and will not change what has already happen in the MCU since 2008, that's why rhodey suggestion they go and kill baby thanos would not work. let's say after the event of EG, the team travel back to 2015 of their reality,(note: the 2014 MCU thanos is dusted) there would still be a 2015 MCU thanos. MAIN THING IS THE MCU TIMELINE (the one we've been seeing since 2008) IS CEMENTED AND NOTHING CAN AND WILL CHANGE IT |
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by pu7pl3(m): 8:41am On May 01, 2019 |
larride: Loki cant remain dead cos he clearly escaped with the tesseract.... Going by this ur theory that means gamora would also remain dead
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