iuwe:
Nebula impaled herself, I still stand with that.


No, the thanos of 2014 and that of 2018 are from the same timeline but different time point because it won't make any sense to kill another Thanos from a reality that is not yours.

The 2014 thanos has not yet done what the 2018 Thanos did but was going to that was why when nebula started having alternative memory he (Thanos) said they were from the future (not alternative reality) trying to undo what the 2018 Thanos did. Infact one of his one liner was "you couldn't live with your own failure and where does that lead you, Back to me". That alone showed it was not an alternative reality but a different time point in the same time continum.

So I ask if the 2014 thanos was snapped out of reality, then the purpose of the avengers going back in time has been defeated. Infinity war wouldn't had happened because Thanos wasn't alive at that time.

Hence, Flashpoint>>>>>>>>>>>>>Endgame time travel.

Collinz2:
You are correct, that's how time travel works i don't know what marvel did.

oluwaveeboy:
I don't think is flawed. Remember avengers initial plan wasn't to wipe out thanos but to bring back others nd they did that bt unfortunately 2014 thanos found out abt it nd traveled to the future with another purpose entirely (to wipe out all things nd create another universe) so the avengers had no other plan than to compromise by wiping thanos nd his armies out of existence. Also for infinity war, I don't think those that were wiped out during IW would av been brought back if the avengers had just killed the younger thanos without using the infinity stone to bring them back coz whatever the infinity stones has been used for will be permanent,there is nothing that can change it even travelling back in time can't undo whatever the IS did

CHESTER48:
the stone took gamora fro sacrifice. But gamora came back.

iuwe:
Nebula impaled herself, I still stand with that.

No, the thanos of 2014 and that of 2018 are from the same timeline but different time point because it won't make any sense to kill another Thanos from a reality that is not yours.

The 2014 thanos has not yet done what the 2018 Thanos did but was going to that was why when nebula started having alternative memory he (Thanos) said they were from the future (not alternative reality) trying to undo what the 2018 Thanos did. Infact one of his one liner was "you couldn't live with your own failure and where does that lead you, Back to me". That alone showed it was not an alternative reality but a different time point in the same time continum.

So I ask if the 2014 thanos was snapped out of reality, then the purpose of the avengers going back in time has been defeated. Infinity war wouldn't had happened because Thanos wasn't alive at that time.

Hence, Flashpoint>>>>>>>>>>>>>Endgame time travel.

iuwe:
Nebula impaled herself, I still stand with that.


No, the thanos of 2014 and that of 2018 are from the same timeline but different time point because it won't make any sense to kill another Thanos from a reality that is not yours.

The 2014 thanos has not yet done what the 2018 Thanos did but was going to that was why when nebula started having alternative memory he (Thanos) said they were from the future (not alternative reality) trying to undo what the 2018 Thanos did.

Infact one of his one liner was "you couldn't live with your own failure and where does that lead you, Back to me". That alone showed it was not an alternative reality but a different time point in the same time continum.

So I ask if the 2014 thanos was snapped out of reality, then the purpose of the avengers going back in time has been defeated. Infinity war wouldn't had happened because Thanos wasn't alive at that time.

Hence, Flashpoint>>>>>>>>>>>>>Endgame time travel.

iuwe:

You are right but still flawed.
Thanos of Endgame(2019) is dead, thanos of infinity war(2018) snapped out half of humanity, thanos of pre GotG(2014) haven't done any of the above. Are they all the same thanos from the same timeline but different time point yes, you were correct on that. But the mistake you made is that if the thanos of 2014 is snapped out of reality, then the Thanos of 2018 and 2019 shouldn't have existed but alas they did which isn't how time travel work. If your past self is killed you are supposed to have no future but that wasn't the case here. Hence Flashpoint is better than Endgame time travel.

waywardpikin:
So apparently, Thanos gave Hulk such an asś whooping in Infinity War that it drove him back to sanity. Compare the Hulk of New York in 2012 to Endgame Prof Hulk. That guy was neutered mehn, they chopped the green man's balls off and gave him to eat.


First he got his asś whooped like a toddler by Tony Stark in AoU, then nearly got killed by Thor in Ragnarok, then was decimated by Thanos in Infinity War. In Endgame, he was just like a domesticated animal that anyone could play with and take selfies with.

My question is, why does Marvel hate the Hulk so much?

Why? Why? Why??

He deserved better abeg!

hulk616:
if she killed her past self she will immediately go out of existence, but that never happened

hulk616:
Noooo, hulk said you can't change the future by going back in time !!!! He said it, he said it. If they killed Thanos of 2014 in the same timeline that means infinity war never happened which will automatically remove the purpose of travelling back in time in the first place because the snap never happened. This is what marvel avoided by setting the rules at the beginning of the movie that YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE FUTURE BY GOING BACK IN TIME.

hulk616:
if you can use the alternate reality time travel theory I have been saying you will see that there was no mistake like that.
Please just use on this post

iuwe:

You are literally saying what I am saying. Nebula didn't kill herself. Nebula is almost all machine, I don't think she can be killed with just one strike and gamora wouldn't let them kill her.

Yes, hulk said you can't change your future, but he said they can make their future their past and then create another future where nobody was snapped out.

The purpose of time travel in Endgame is to go to the past (not another reality)where they last saw the infinity stones, retrieve it, take it to their present, and then recreate a future where the snap was undone hence making Thanos snap which was their present a past event. But during all their skimming and plotting, they didn't plan that 2014 Thanos would figure out their plan aka nebula effect that was why when he attacked them, they weren't prepared.

But by snapping the Thanos of 2014 out of reality, there shouldn't be a Thanos of 2018 and 2019 but alas, that didn't happen. That alone defeated their purpose of time travel. Had they just send him back to his original time point, that would had been more convincing and correct.

hulk616:
why does it not make sense? As I said the thanos 2014 is from an alternate reality running parallel with the MCU timeline so anything thanos of the MCu was going to do than Thanos from alternate reality will do too

hulk616:
Ebony explained it in the movie that two nebulas was connecting to their framework.

hulk616:
that means nothing because thanos can't know whether they are from the future from same timeline or another timeline.

hulk616:
this was the reason endgame did not take that approach because they wanted the previous to stand and still happen.

iuwe:

If I use that point then everything was happening in a reality that isn't their, so anything they do there wouldn't affect their reality. That one is even worse.

hulk616:
almost. And nebula was killed






yes now we are going somewhere. Then when hulk travelled back in time and met the ancient one she said removing the infinity stones will create alternate timeline. Lets use the corrected flashpoint storyline, when flash was back in time and saved his mother a new timeline was formed with the help of reverse flash, then when flash went back to prevent himself for travelling back in time in the first place he did not return to his timeline because of what Dr Manhattan did. But that timeline(flashpoint) was still running before Dr Manhattan finally erased it in the button. And you know this whole rebirth is about connecting the pre new 52 and rebirth lines.

hulk616:
if she killed her past self she will immediately go out of existence, but that never happened

Noooo, hulk said you can't change the future by going back in time !!!! He said it, he said it. If they killed Thanos of 2014 in the same timeline that means infinity war never happened which will automatically remove the purpose of travelling back in time in the first place because the snap never happened. This is what marvel avoided by setting the rules at the beginning of the movie that YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE FUTURE BY GOING BACK IN TIME.

hulk616:
Thanos and his army from 2014 from the newly created timeline were fighting in the main timeline (MCU). Thanos dying in the main timeline removes him from his own reality but captain America returning all the infinity stones back erases all the alternate reality created completely

iuwe:

This is the main reason why parallel reality wouldn't work.

What's the rule of the infinity gauntlet in the comics?

The infinity gauntlet and stone only works on the reality/dimension where is was collected and would only affect that reality/dimension.

Verdict- IF THE AVENGERS FOUGHT THANOS OF ANOTHER REALTY, THEN ALL THERE ACTIVITIES WOULDN'T AFFECT THEIR OWN REALITY. THE REVIVED AVENGERS WOULDN'T BE FROM THEIR OWN REALITY BUT AN ALTERNATE ONE.

So you see alternative reality theory doesn't work at all.

Because they were the same nebula, even Thanos said they were from the future, and when Ebony tried to kill nebula for betrayal Thanos stopped him because he knew that the future Nebula would also die.

Thanos literally said they were from the future trying to undo what he (2014 Thanos) would do in the future. You really need to go back to the cinema.

When Scarlet witch was fighting him, she told him he was going to pay for killing vision, but he didn't know what she was talking about because he haven't done anything yet.

By snapping 2014 thanos out of reality they already discredited the event of infinity war.

pu7pl3:


I get what he is saying...since traveling back and forth through time doesnt affect anything that means the thanos they snapped out of existence was futile cos there would still be 2015 thanos or 2016 thanos roaming around still looking for the stones...thats the flaw he is pointing out i think

pu7pl3:


I get what he is saying...since traveling back and forth through time doesnt affect anything that means the thanos they snapped out of existence was futile cos there would still be 2015 thanos or 2016 thanos roaming around still looking for the stones...thats the flaw he is pointing out i think

CHESTER48:
but the future changed after they went back in time. They went back to collect the stones and the future changed. Thanos didn't wield the stones anymore instead he came to collect it all from iron Man. Anyway. I still understand that movie. But just want to clear u small.

CHESTER48:
but the future changed after they went back in time. They went back to collect the stones and the future changed. Thanos didn't wield the stones anymore instead he came to collect it all from iron Man. Anyway. I still understand that movie. But just want to clear u small.

larride:


No. It seems the guy is just arguing for arguing sake.

When the Avengers went back in time to get the stones, their aim is to undo the snap and bring back those that Thanos wished away. Thanos is already dead at the beginning so undoing the snap won’t bring Thanos back.

The timeline in Endgame is the current timeline, all other timelines are alternative timelines. Prof Hulk already said you can’t go back in time to change the past because the future is set already.

If Thanos 2014 had not find Nebula 2023 and she opened the portal for him to come to 2023, Thanos would still have gotten the stones and wipe out half of the world and in 2018 the avengers undo the snap in 2023. Going back in time doesn’t change the past.

When Thanos 2014 came to the main timeline 2023, he had no idea of whatever he had done before except for what he heard on Nebula memory scan.

That is why after Hulk used the stone to wish away Thanos and his army, the timeline remained the same. Asgard still remain destroyed, Loki still remain dead. The only difference was that those that was snapped away came back but they had the memory that something happened and they were turned to dust.

The time travel makes sense and realistic.

larride:


No. The future did not change.

Asgard still remain destroyed

Loki remain dead

Those that was snapped back to life remembered what happened before the snap.

The future did not change. Pay attention when watching movies pls.

larride:


No. It seems the guy is just arguing for arguing sake.

When the Avengers went back in time to get the stones, their aim is to undo the snap and bring back those that Thanos wished away. Thanos is already dead at the beginning so undoing the snap won’t bring Thanos back.

The timeline in Endgame is the current timeline, all other timelines are alternative timelines. Prof Hulk already said you can’t go back in time to change the past because the future is set already.

If Thanos 2014 had not find Nebula 2023 and she opened the portal for him to come to 2023, Thanos would still have gotten the stones and wipe out half of the world and in 2018 the avengers undo the snap in 2023. Going back in time doesn’t change the past.

When Thanos 2014 came to the main timeline 2023, he had no idea of whatever he had done before except for what he heard on Nebula memory scan.

That is why after Hulk used the stone to wish away Thanos and his army, the timeline remained the same. Asgard still remain destroyed, Loki still remain dead. The only difference was that those that was snapped away came back but they had the memory that something happened and they were turned to dust.

The time travel makes sense and realistic.

hulk616:
yes everything that happened since 2008 still happened, but that thanos snapped out in endgame was from another reality. Now that reality will be without thanos but captain America returning all the stones Automatically erases those reality created

larride:


No. The future did not change.

Asgard still remain destroyed

Loki remain dead

Those that was snapped back to life remembered what happened before the snap.

The future did not change. Pay attention when watching movies pls.