pu7pl3:


I get what he is saying...since traveling back and forth through time doesnt affect anything that means the thanos they snapped out of existence was futile cos there would still be 2015 thanos or 2016 thanos roaming around still looking for the stones...thats the flaw he is pointing out i think

You are actually very correct... This is the problem why time travel is not good in movies, not even as a plot armour/deux ex machina...

In 2012, at the battle of New York, Loki stole the Space Stone and disappeared after the team travelled back in time. So, Iron Man and Captain America travelled way back in time to get it in 1970.
So, you are absolutely correct.

stapes:
you guys are both right going by different standards.
the thing is, nobody has ever time travelled, so there is no universal rule or standard for it,it's just all imagination.

the problem with this argument is "iuwe" is using the flashpoint's rule of time travel to judge EG time travel.
from what I could deduce from the hulk's explanation,EG time is fixed, nothing you do can and will not change what has already happen in the MCU since 2008, that's why rhodey suggestion they go and kill baby thanos would not work.

let's say after the event of EG, the team travel back to 2015 of their reality,(note: the 2014 MCU thanos is dusted) there would still be a 2015 MCU thanos.
MAIN THING IS THE MCU TIMELINE (the one we've been seeing since 2008) IS CEMENTED AND NOTHING CAN AND WILL CHANGE IT

And that is the plot hole im trying to point out and where i think iuwe was coming from....im cool with the movie tho..the spectacle makes you forget all these holes and stuff ...and THOR

philfearon:

You are actually very correct... This is the problem why time travel is not good in movies, not even as a plot armour/deux ex machina...

In 2012, at the battle of New York, Loki stole the Space Stone and disappeared after the team travelled back in time. So, Iron Man and Captain America travelled way back in time to get it in 1970.
So, you are absolutely correct.

Thank you....finally someone gets it

[b]When I call the MCU...Marvel Confused Universe, fan boys get pissed like a baby whose milk has been snatched.
Shebi you'll were basking in the 1.2 billion dollars weekend opening.
Some mofos even called it the best film ever...

But as I've said before Marvel films don't start the test of time.
They may wow you with the effects and spectacle on first viewing, but it wears off as you descend the steps of the Cineplex.
The much touted endgame hasn't even stayed up to a week, yet I can see some fan boys in a back and forth banter as regards the time travelling antics.

What does that tell you?
It says a lot about a studio that doesn't know how to get shit together.
However, they are experts at costuming, fight scenes, special effects and cheap humor.
Of course, they know that audiences are dumb as referenced by the likes of Mjgoat (Mjbolt ), the semi-zombie (Hulk616), the lackey (Shittaakeem) and the jobless postdigger Afonama(Afobear ).


They also know that same numbnuts will cough 1 billion dollars for that travesty captain whatever-her-name-is. I don't care!
But I will only take a Marvel film serious when they break into the first 50 highly rated films on IMDB.
Oh you thought I was gonna say RT.
Same platform you bribed to improved audience's review for dull blondie.
Never!


Little wonder they don't have all their characters.
But when other studios adapt them into good movies, they claim them as their own a la Into the spiderverse.
I wonder if they'll do the same for a film like Xmen Origins: the wolverine.
Infact, have these dunces ever wondered why their talents are jumping over to the other side.
Maybe they've not heard about the recent. one: David Dastmalchian.

I'll repeat again.
I'll rather deactivate for a diseased street dog than these folks!


Until then lackeys.
Stay zombified!
Regards
Raz al' Ghul
(The Demon Head)[/b]

pu7pl3:


If returning the stones to where thanos isnt(cos he is already dead twice) will change the reality back to how it was doesnt it mean that thanos will still be there in the past gathering the stones which means infinity war was going to happen allover again hence defeating the purpose of everything

try to read my previous posts. I have been saying it that captain America returning the stones erases the other realities created e.g the reality thanos came from

pu7pl3:


Loki cant remain dead cos he clearly escaped with the tesseract....

Going by this ur theory that means gamora would also remain dead

Loki is dead bro.

Gamora remains dead also.

Where do you think Gamora disappeared too?

Why does Asgard remain destroyed?

Dr. Strange, Spider-Man and the rest remembered what happened before the snap. How is that possible?

The timeline in MCU is fixed. They don’t go about changing the future from the past. Everything that happened before Endgame still happened. They went to the past to take the stone to undo the snap, they didn’t go to the past to stop Thanos from getting the stones. That’s why when they undo the snap, they went back to return the stones to where they took it so everything still went ahead the way it went.

Pay attention to details.

stapes:
you guys are both right going by different standards.
the thing is, nobody has ever time travelled, so there is no universal rule or standard for it,it's just all imagination.

the problem with this argument is "iuwe" is using the flashpoint's rule of time travel to judge EG time travel.
from what I could deduce from the hulk's explanation,EG time is fixed, nothing you do can and will not change what has already happen in the MCU since 2008, that's why rhodey suggestion they go and kill baby thanos would not work.

let's say after the event of EG, the team travel back to 2015 of their reality,(note: the 2014 MCU thanos is dusted) there would still be a 2015 MCU thanos.
MAIN THING IS THE MCU TIMELINE (the one we've been seeing since 2008) IS CEMENTED AND NOTHING CAN AND WILL CHANGE IT

thank you for getting it

pu7pl3:


Loki cant remain dead cos he clearly escaped with the tesseract....

Going by this ur theory that means gamora would also remain dead

Loki is dead because that reality was erased

hulk616:
try to read my previous posts. I have been saying it that captain America returning the stones erases the other realities created e.g the reality thanos came from

It erases the other realities now(like when quill did not find the power stone or when the eather was stolen from janes butt)but it cant erase the past or future....hence quill still got the power stone..the eather was still in jane and dark world happened and mr thanos is still gathering stones as we speak...

stapes:
you guys are both right going by different standards.
the thing is, nobody has ever time travelled, so there is no universal rule or standard for it,it's just all imagination.

the problem with this argument is "iuwe" is using the flashpoint's rule of time travel to judge EG time travel.
from what I could deduce from the hulk's explanation,EG time is fixed, nothing you do can and will not change what has already happen in the MCU since 2008, that's why rhodey suggestion they go and kill baby thanos would not work.

let's say after the event of EG, the team travel back to 2015 of their reality,(note: the 2014 MCU thanos is dusted) there would still be a 2015 MCU thanos.
MAIN THING IS THE MCU TIMELINE (the one we've been seeing since 2008) IS CEMENTED AND NOTHING CAN AND WILL CHANGE IT

Makes a lot of sense. You summarised all the grammar.

larride:


Loki is dead bro.

Gamora remains dead also.

Where do you think Gamora disappeared too?

Why does Asgard remain destroyed?

Dr. Strange, Spider-Man and the rest remembered what happened before the snap. How is that possible?

The timeline in MCU is fixed. They don’t go about changing the future from the past. Everything that happened before Endgame still happened. They went to the past to take the stone to undo the snap, they didn’t go to the past to stop Thanos from getting the stones. That’s why when they undo the snap, they went back to return the stones to where they took it so everything still went ahead the way it went.

Pay attention to details.

Gamora and loki didnt die...loki escaped with a freaking space stone bruh and gamora ran away....quill is going to look for her...ur theory shoots itself right in the foot

Raalsalghul:
[b]When I call the MCU...Marvel Cinemactic Universe, fan boys get pissed like a baby whose milk has been snatched.
Shebi you'll were basking in the 1.2 billion dollars weekend opening.
Some mofos even called it the best film ever...

But as I've said before Marvel films don't start the test of time.
They may wow you with the effects and spectacle on first viewing, but it wears off as you descend the steps of the Cineplex.
The much touted endgame hasn't even stayed up to a week, yet I can see some fan boys in a back and forth banter as regards the time travelling antics.

What does that tell you?
It says a lot about a studio that doesn't know how to get shit together.
However, they are experts at costuming, fight scenes, special effects and cheap humor.
Of course, they know that audiences are dumb as referenced by the likes of Mjgoat (Mjbolt ), the semi-zombie (Hulk616), the lackey (Shittaakeem) and the jobless postdigger Afonama(Afobear ).


They also know that same numbnuts will cough 1 billion dollars for that travesty captain whatever-her-name-is. I don't care!
But I will only take a Marvel film serious when they break into the first 50 highly rated films on IMDB.
Oh you thought I was gonna say RT.
Same platform you bribed to improved audience's review for dull blondie.
Never!


Little wonder they don't have all their characters.
But when other studios adapt them into good movies, they claim them as their own a la Into the spiderverse.
I wonder if they'll do the same for a film like Xmen Origins: the wolverine.
Infact, have these dunces ever wondered why their talents are jumping over to the other side.
Maybe they've not heard about the recent. one: David Dastmalchian.

I'll repeat again.
I'll rather deactivate for a diseased street dog than these folks!


Until then lackeys.
Stay zombified!
Regards
Raz al' Ghul
(The Demon Head)[/b]

raalsalghul

pu7pl3:


It erases the other realities now(like when quill did not find the power stone or when the eather was stolen from janes butt)but it cant erase the past or future....hence quill still got the power stone..the eather was still in jane and dark world happened and mr thanos is still gathering stones as we speak...

yes and the MCU timeline is unaffected

hulk616:
Loki is dead because that reality was erased

Lol...you cant prove that(space stone and loki=possibilities)

And what about gamora?

pu7pl3:


And that is the plot hole im trying to point out and where i think iuwe was coming from....im cool with the movie tho..the spectacle makes you forget all these holes and stuff ...and THOR

THOR!!!

pu7pl3:


Gamora and loki didnt die...loki escaped with a freaking space stone bruh and gamora ran away....quill is going to look for her...ur theory shoots itself right in the foot

It’s obvious you just want to argue unnecessarily.

I ask you a simple question, why is Asgard still destroyed? How come those that were snapped back to life remembered what happened before th snap?

Answer me.

hulk616:
yes and the MCU timeline is unaffected

So you agree there is still a roaming free thanos

pu7pl3:


Lol...you cant prove that(space stone and loki=possibilities)

And what about gamora?

the timeline of MCU cant be changed so Loki, gamora are dead . The Loki that escaped was in another reality and that reality has been erased

hulk616:
yes and the MCU timeline is unaffected

I don’t understand. Someone that watch the end of the movie and see that Asgard is still destroyed, Dr Strange is still sorcerer supreme and the likes.

They want to look for a way to ridicule the movie, let them knock themselves out.

larride:


Loki is dead bro.

Gamora remains dead also.

Where do you think Gamora disappeared too?

Why does Asgard remain destroyed?

Dr. Strange, Spider-Man and the rest remembered what happened before the snap. How is that possible?

The timeline in MCU is fixed. They don’t go about changing the future from the past. Everything that happened before Endgame still happened. They went to the past to take the stone to undo the snap, they didn’t go to the past to stop Thanos from getting the stones. That’s why when they undo the snap, they went back to return the stones to where they took it so everything still went ahead the way it went.

Pay attention to details.

This!

larride:




It’s obvious you just want to argue unnecessarily.

I ask you a simple question, why is Asgard still destroyed? How come those that were snapped back to life remembered what happened before th snap?

Answer me.

Lol...i dont want to argue unnecessarily

Im just saying they made up a whole bunch of time rules that suited them and followed it only when it was convenient...dazol im saying man...

pu7pl3:


So you agree there is still a roaming free thanos

No Thanos in the main MCU timeline is dead killed at the beginning of the movie, thanos killed at the end he's from another reality.

I will say again the main MCU timeline is unchanged!!!!!

hulk616:
the timeline of MCU cant be changed so Loki, gamora are dead . The Loki that escaped was in another reality and that reality has been erased

Lol how come finding gamora is part of the plot for gotg3? And loki is getting a tvseries spinoff

pu7pl3:


Lol...i dont want to argue unnecessarily

Im just saying they made up a whole bunch of time rules that suited them and followed it only when it was convenient...dazol im saying man...

They were consistent with their time rules though, you have to give it to them.

Prof Hulk said you can’t change the past and they stick to it.

hulk616:
Russo brothers supported what I m being saying since

https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/avengers-endgame-director-explains-big-plot-hole-caps/

iuwe , pu7pl3 please read this from the directors

hulk616:
No Thanos in the main MCU timeline is dead killed at the beginning of the movie, thanos killed at the end he's from another reality.

I will say again the main MCU timeline is unchanged!!!!!

If the mcu timeline is unchanged what the hell happened to cap? Is he not meant to be unchenged too since he kept the stone back?

pu7pl3:


Lol how come finding gamora is part of the plot for gotg3? And loki is getting a tvseries spinoff

good question, captain America not returning back at the ending has created another timeline so there are two timelines in the MCU now.
So Loki , fantastic four, X-Men, etc can come from there.
Same gamora is dead, there are ways to get her back e.g visiting death herself

larride:


They were consistent with their time rules though, you have to give it to them.

Prof Hulk said you can’t change the past and they stick to it.

They tried but they entangled the whole thing at some points...

Im just nit picking tho...the movie was great and i enjoyed it im just backing iuwe up

pu7pl3:


If the mcu timeline is unchanged what the hell happened to cap? Is he not meant to be unchenged too since he kept the stone back?

That’s one plot hole I can’t understand. I’ve been trying to understand what happened.

Maybe they just wanted to retire Cap by fire by force.

hulk616:
good question, captain America not returning back at the ending has created another timeline so there are two timelines in the MCU now.
So Loki , fantastic four, X-Men, etc can come from there.
Same gamora is dead, there are ways to get her back e.g visiting death herself

Lol...again ure contradicting urself...i just want you to agree that going with the endgame theory of nothing can be changed it means that thanos will still get the stones and do his thing

larride:


Loki is dead bro.

Gamora remains dead also.

Where do you think Gamora disappeared too?

Why does Asgard remain destroyed?

Dr. Strange, Spider-Man and the rest remembered what happened before the snap. How is that possible?

The timeline in MCU is fixed. They don’t go about changing the future from the past. Everything that happened before Endgame still happened. They went to the past to take the stone to undo the snap, they didn’t go to the past to stop Thanos from getting the stones. That’s why when they undo the snap, they went back to return the stones to where they took it so everything still went ahead the way it went.

Pay attention to details.

You are clinging to the explanation given in the movie as if it's canon, it's not.
Removing any of the stones in its timeline automatically changes the events that would have happened if it was not removed. Putting the stones back does not still guarantee that the timeline you tried to save will happen, and there is no guarantee that you will not accidentally change the timeline you are trying to save. It's a paradox!
In the current MCU timeline, the Space Stone was in Asgard and was given to Thanos by Loki to save Thor. However, as was shown in the movie, in 2012 Loki stole the Space Stone and disappeared during the time travel heist. Now, if Loki were to take it back to Thanos(seeing as it was the plan), Asgard and Thor would not have met Thanos, and no-one would have known about Thanos' plans save for Loki. Asgard would not have been destroyed, and Thanos would still be playing from the shadows.
Now, did placing the stone back in 1970 change the timeline in which Loki stole the stone seeing as it was taken before Iron Man travelled back in time?
If anything, can't you see that the battle of New York is now useless? Because Loki achieved his purpose?

Time travel is bullshît, you can never get it right!

pu7pl3:


If the mcu timeline is unchanged what the hell happened to cap? Is he not meant to be unchenged too since he kept the stone back?

good question, when captain America went back in time and didn't come back he automatically created another timeline where there was two captain America and this old cap came to the main timeline MCU to give falcon his shield