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Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 8:16am On May 02, 2019 |
Sure saints, living here on earth are to pray for another. It is scriptural. It is intercessory prayer but no so called Saints in heaven orays for you. It is the demons in the heavenliss that you pray to. Jesus Christ is the only being in heaven that has the capacity and right to mediate between man and God, the father. Angels are ministering spirits not intercessors. 9inches: 1 Like |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 8:32am On May 02, 2019 |
I have comprehensively delivered the position of the scripture on this : Jesus didn't established a physical church. He asked the apostles whom did they imagined he was and Peter gave the reply and he he said, to Peter, you are Peter, upon this rock I will build my church and the gate of hell shall not prevail The spoken words of Peter is the sure rock upon which the church was to be established not Peter as a person for no man carry God in his entirety. Man only manifest an aspect of the total God. Even the one that tried to support the drifting ark died instantly. Peter is not a special person in god's redemptive agenda hence not a single prophet mentioned him or any other apostle. Mary was mentioned in the old testimony but not by name. Peter like Mary were just favoured people. There was nothing special about them but that God chose them. Peter was spiritually a green horns same as Mary. If the church of God was going to rest on a man, the prophecy would have gone many hundreds of years ahead. Jesus expounded from ALL SCRIPTURES ALL that said concerning him by all the prophets. Your issue with church establishment: The new testament AND THR CHURCH only started after Christ death and resurrection . His blood was the beginning. Technicall, the new testament ought to begin from ACTS. the churches were established through the apostles and Paul was the chief of them all. Not one scripture you have cited did you actually know what it contained until I address it. All you have tried to employ to defend your church doctrine...from tradition that allowed you to introduced all manners of extras to the scriptures to who actually is the foundation and pillar of truth. Know this today, Jesus manifested Christ to the utmost. Therefore, he was and is forever The Christ. We, who are called are called to manifest same according to our level of consciousness of the Christ that is in us. It is not outside of us but in us. Looking for Christ outside when he told you that the kingdom of God has come and is within you only shows your level of consciousness of the Christ in you. 9inches: 1 Like |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 12:22pm On May 02, 2019 |
9inches: The Bible didn't say what you have ascribed to it. The church is not the pillar more ground of truth. It is God, through Jesus Christ that is both. If I demand the support from the scripture you won't be able to provide it. God didn't want anyone been confused about anything about him. His word says in the mouth of two or three is a thing confirmed.... Can you provide any part of the scripture that supports the first? 1 John 5:8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. Matthew 18:16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. Deuteronomy 19:15 "A single witness shall not rise up against a man on account of any iniquity or any sin which he has committed; on the evidence of two or three witnesses a matter shall be confirmed. 2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you EVERY FACT IS TO BE CONFIRMED BY THE TESTIMONY OF TWO OR THREE WITNESS Timothy says the household of God which is the church of the living God, the living God himself been the pillar of anyone truth.., every truth must find a support from gods word and it must be the ground upon which is it harvested. .... Jesus supported this when he declared that he is the only way, ....the ground, the path, the road, ....... The truth... The entire word he is....and. Life... The spirit 9inches: They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.?.... Acts 2:42 9inches: You are just going round in circle contradicting yourself. First, it was your church that wrote that Bible and now it is no longer so. You have now turned around to agree that what your church claimed to have written were actually letters written personally by the apostles involved. You now understand that when your church says, reading from the letter of saint Paul to.... It is actually a letter letter personally written by Paul and not your church. Thank God. We are making progress albeit slowly. Jesus put the first nail to your church claim when he expounded from ALL scripture all that was written concerning him my ALL the prophets. Now you have now seen the original source if the new testament...the Apostles. To God alone be all the glory. Albert Einstein spent years on his invention but everything important to knowing how he did it is in less than a fifty-page text. The Bible is a concise word of God covering everything about God. Preaching is ordained by God in order to expound that scripture like Jesus Christ and the Apostles did. Preaching and Teaching is nothing but an elaboration of the text of the word of God. If you have been privileged to her the Holy Spirit speak, you won't fail to notice that he speaks mainly clauses. He never embark on detailed explanations..when I asked for the mind of God concerning your claim on 1 Tim 3:15... He simply said...line on line..one explains the other.... If I was to debate you in my own I would have stated that the clause are independent and if the apostle meant what you claimed he would have used the conjunction...AND... AND IT WOULD read, the church of the living God and the ground and pillar of truth. 9inches: You don't seem to have any originality about you. After you go round you come to repeat me. I have already ad iced someone here to bear with you because you trapped in religion and that it is not fun for me to return always to the same issue. God back and you will find it and now you have copied it and made it your own. Be that as it may be. In addition to the above, I reply you faster because God has given me the means to do so without any cost to me. I use IPad for business and pleasure and I am therefore able to reply you at a moment notice. I ask again, is it the truth that your pope is infallible? Answer, so we can go back in history and see just how infallible they have been. Do you realise that not a single of your church practice is attributed to the apostles but to popes... From Mary adoration, worship and pray for us. Image worship to purgatory ... Dispute this by pasting the days or years and originating persons for some of your church doctrines here 1 Like |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by 9inches(m): 9:33pm On May 03, 2019 |
Nodogragra4me:Does your bible say there's difference between saints in heaven and saints on earth? Why are you committing heresy, Mr man? |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 1:16am On May 04, 2019 |
I can't repeat this enough: Saint is just a general name for believers in Christ. It is a name for those who have separated themselves to god by covenant. While here on Earth hence you cannot find your own meaning of the word in the entire scriptures. Once you accept Christ, you are a saint. It doesn't require elaborate ceremony that runs for years to sanctify and declare anyone a saint. It is automatic. Spirits live in heaven. They don't have blood and flesh. 9inches: |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by 9inches(m): 4:42am On May 04, 2019 |
Nodogragra4me:1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZOt7dbrpOY 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0MIEsvOes 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FyYpMOhhQo |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by 9inches(m): 4:50am On May 04, 2019 |
Nodogragra4me:The bible your pastor gave you says when saints on earth goes to heaven, they cease to be saints. That's the heresy you've been brainwashed with by your pastor. Continue. |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 2:16pm On May 04, 2019 |
Nope. He introduced me to the King James Version and I am loving that Bible like mad. The thing is you have left all your the core issues you and your partner ubenedictus were pursuing to now focus on the mundane which is also, sadly, beyond your realm. You are no longer arguing about how your church wrote the Bible since the scripture has conclusively put that to rest; you are no longer grandstanding on the place of the church and God with God been obedient to the whims and caprices of your church leadership under the guise of church tradition learnt from the Apostles. Now you know that the church is not the ground and pillar of truth but Jehovah God for Jesus himself settled the matter when he declared that he is the WAY.... THE GOUND.... THE TRUTH AND LIFE. ?...John 14:6..... Truth is only by Jesus not in any funny cap wearing human being but by Christ. As for your grandstanding on who a saint is, I want you to go through the entire bi or and paste, for posterity, the versus that referred to men and women in heaven as saint and the time they prayed for the actual saints here on earth.... Your church wrote the bi le so I expect you to know where to find the evidence from the same bible since you must have the manual to it. The scriptures are the only guide and examples given and approved by heaven : 2Tim.3 Verses 16 to 17 [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. The scriptures doesn't answer to the intellect ... No part of it is of any private interpretation. See: 20 KnowingG1097 thisG5124 firstG4412 , thatG3754 noG3756 G3956 prophecyG4394 of the scriptureG1124 isG1096 of any privateG2398 interpretationG1955 9inches: |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 2:25pm On May 04, 2019 |
You have done this childish act before and I scolded you for it and now you have returned to it. I don't want any other persons opinion but yours as you know it ... Stop referring generations unborn to a man's opinion. Tell them that you, 9inches said this and that but if you have exhausted your knowledge, you can paste a summary of those videos here ... I am yet to send you out of nairaland. I ask again, is it the truth that your pope is infallible? Answer, so we can go back in history and see just how infallible they have been. Do you realise that not a single of your church practice is attributed to the apostles but to popes... From Mary adoration, worship and pray for us. Image worship to purgatory ... Dispute this by pasting the days or years and originating persons for some of your church doctrines here 9inches: |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by 9inches(m): 6:01am On May 06, 2019 |
Nodogragra4me: Study the history of Christianity and know what the early Christians after the apostles believed and preached. Then study the bible and you might understand how your KJV came about. That's what these people in the videos I posted did and got to the truth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FyYpMOhhQo |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by 9inches(m): 6:14am On May 06, 2019 |
Nodogragra4me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV2oAlQebJo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5crScs1uWtg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7rv3S0dM-Q |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by 9inches(m): 6:24am On May 06, 2019 |
Nodogragra4me: More of the heresy being taught to you by your pastor! The living God is NOT "the pillar of anyone truth", the living God is truth himself. According to Timothy (1 Timothy 3:15), God’s household is the church of the living God and is the pillar and foundation of the truth. Now this will make you angry and more defensive and hostile but you should really reflect on your version of Christianity. Select your church from this list and weigh their testimonies. https://chnetwork.org/converts/ |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 10:11am On May 06, 2019 |
Mr. Go through the entire scripture and fish out a cross reference of your claim that the church is the pillar and foundation of the truth hence at liberty to introduce any doctrine of their choice. The church cannot be the pillar....the support....it cannot be the foundation of the truth ..It cannot be the ground . God said his word will he not allow to fall not your word or opinion of his word Jesus say in John 14:6 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (AV, John 14:6).... Jesus is the way, he is the truth and he is the life and no crazy saints gets access to the father, no Mary gets access to the father....only Jesus is the way to the father 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. (AV, Isaiah 55:11) When I started ’anyone truth’ I meant it to mean any truth.. I have repeated it here that God is the truth and your argument has been that the church is the truth...... I have stated that the truth is not in any one man that's it the Holy Spirit that reveals the truth from the word not outside the word. .... No man is infallible. There is no entitlement in title... It is walk not church title or name that guarantees access to the deep things of God so stop being childish and defend your position with personal conviction.... Stop posting links of other ps opinion... If you want me to engage them bring those persons here to come and defend their opinion you come across as someone with memory challenge. You tend to forget your position on an issue too easily. 9inches: |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 10:35am On May 06, 2019 |
’ After the Apostles’ that says it all. After the Apostles they now believed differently and preached another gospel outside of the scriptures. I won't follow the ’after the apostles’ crowd. Is the King James Version saying something different from the New Jerusalem Bible, did the version add any thing to what is in your church Bible? Your strong point is in history and the problem with history is that everybody has a version of it but Bible has no version.. It is the message in different languages. You have been angling for history but I won't give you that pleasure...stick with the Bible 9inches: |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 11:02am On May 06, 2019 |
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Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by 9inches(m): 11:08am On May 08, 2019 |
Nodogragra4me:This is so good, I have you attacking the Word of God. I hope every member of your church sees this, including your pastor. The Lord purchased the church "with his own blood" (Acts 20:28). Christ is "the head of the body, the church" (Colossians 1:18). "And God put everything under His feet and made Him head over everything for the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all" (Ephesians 1:22-23). Stop hardening your heart to the Word of God, the traditions of the Apostles and the early Christians. Abandon your Martin Luther's tradition. “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts, as you did in the rebellion" (Hebrews 3:15). 9inches:We the Gentiles who are now fellow citizens with the holy ones (Israelites, God's special people [Deut 7:6, Deut 14:2, Rom 9:4]) and members of the household of God (angels [Hebrews 12:22-23]) are the different members of the Body of Christ - the Church [Col 1:24, 1 Cor 12:27-28, Rom 12:4-5]; the Apostles and the prophets are the foundation (Rev 21:14); Christ is the Head, or Cornerstone (or foundation stone or keystone) [Isaiah 28:16]. Key Points (Ephesians 23-32) The church is Christ's bride. (Ephesians 4:15) "Rather, living the truth in love, we should grow in every way into him who is the head (of the church), Christ, from whom the whole body (the church), joined and held together by every supporting ligament (different gifts and functions), with the proper functioning of each part, brings about the body’s (church's) growth and builds itself up in love. Just so you understand it easier, the church already existed and have been teaching by oral tradition before the New Testament was written, not the other way round. The church through the apostles produced the NT scripture as part of her role in evangelization. The protestant mantra is to take the product of the church (NT) while disregarding and discrediting the church whose product they use. If the church is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim 3:15), how then can someone or group of people exist outside the church and still claim to teach the truth? How absurd! It probably hasn't crossed your mind that even the NT scripture was oral tradition (most of which has been taught orally by the apostles) before it was written down to become NT scripture. Therefore, the NT is a product of the oral tradition which protestants think they can do away with and still teach the truth. How can you pick up the bible which the successors of the apostles collected, sorted and canonized; and run with it without considering the successors of the apostles who collected, sorted and canonized it. Tell me, how can you claim a more accurate knowledge of that bible than those successors of the apostles? Christ himself is the truth, and the fact that Christ is the foundation stone (cornerstone, keystone) of the church (Ephesians 2:20), that makes the church the foundation of truth (1 Tim 1:15). It essentially means you can't find the whole truth outside the church. Now, do you still wonder why there are over 33,000 denominations who are struggling with truth? Can you unabashedly say Christ recognizes these 33,000 churches? Can you say they are all one church, one Body with Christ as the Head? Think! @bolded, simple research would have saved you this embarrassment you have caused yourself. Now I have quoted you and it stays here till internet eternity! The Church is considered to be a mother to its members because it is the Bride of Christ (Ephesians 5:21-33, Revelation 19:7, Galatians 4:26). Apostle Paul sees it for what it is - the Bride of Christ, the Mother from whose womb of grace each of us was born to a new life a life of Sonship. "I wanted you to know, how people ought to behave in God's family that is, in the Church of the living God, which holds the truth and keeps it safe" (I Tim. 3:15). So Yes, holy Mother Church proclaims, declares, explains and keeps the truth safe from the reach of the Enemy. Keep reveling in your naivety and arrogance, attacking the Body of Christ,the pillar and foundation of truth; don't go and read church history from Christ to when you got your bible. |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by 9inches(m): 11:12am On May 08, 2019 |
Nodogragra4me:Someone is scared of the truth he might discover from studying the history of his bible. ![]() |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 11:20pm On May 10, 2019 |
Been busy all week: 9inches: Lol. Mr your first need is to know the word before venturing into the field of the Holy Spirit. Only the Spirit of God, the only teacher of THE TRUTH can tell whether the word is under attack and you don't have this spirit. You are just a confuse fellow whose belief is neither here nor there. You don't even remember your former position on the same issue. Let me help you with your insult of the word. You stated that the word came out of the church even though this is contrary to the very statement from the same Scripture that it has always been there from creation. John said the word was in the beginning and the same was God but you declared that the word is secondary to the church and that is actually what you are still trying to defend. You and your other colleague, Ubenedictus stated here that you can't be bound by just the word of God, in a few pages. You need the tradition of men added to make the word good enough for you even though the word says it is profitable for direction, correction, for doctrine and training in righteousness. 9inches: There is no better proof of your confusion than this very scriptures you have provided here. If Christ is the head and you actually believe he is the head and he says the truth is in him, the head , why and what are you then arguing about? The head says he is the truth because even in the natural, the truth a man knows is in his head not body. For crying out loud, What religion took away your common sense in this matter of the truth? Christ is the head, you agree and then declares that the truth is in the body even when the Christ says he is the truth. Stop hardening your heart to the Word of God, the traditions of the Apostles and the early Christians. Abandon your Martin Luther's tradition. “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts, as you did in the rebellion" (Hebrews 3:15). Who are the Church We the Gentiles who are now fellow citizens with the holy ones (Israelites, God's special people [Deut 7:6, Deut 14:2, Rom 9:4]) and members of the household of God (angels [Hebrews 12:22-23]) are the different members of the Body of Christ - the Church [Col 1:24, 1 Cor 12:27-28, Rom 12:4-5]; 9inches: You see how confused you are? Christ is the cornerstone or foundation stone or keystone while the Apostles and Prophets are the foundation. Here is your Rev 21:14 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and [16] in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. (AV, Revelation 21:14) This passage, a revelation to John is only showing you how dependent the church of God on the earth is on the Apostles testimonies written in the same scripture. If it is not the Apostle doctrine as captured by Acts 2:42, it is has no place in the church of God. If you can not attribute what you call your church foundation or doctrine to any of these twelve it is man-made and earthly and designed for the pleasure of some men. Every Bible-believing church of today is built upon the foundation laid by the writings of these twelve. The structure of the church is captured by their writings. If the gospel is not same as preached by those twelve, there is no room for it in heaven because what is actually been described is God's homes amongst his people….. Note that nowhere in that scripture passage proclaimed that the foundations are actually the twelve Apostles, the foundation remained God on whom the teachings of the twelve was laid on. If you move a bit further from this scripture to Rev 22:2 you will find a correlation to the twelve foundation... The revealed Truth to the church In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. (AV, Revelation 22:2)...... Every Bible based church is supposed to teach on each of those truth every month...one month for one truth for the healing of every need of members 9inches: This is very clear to anyone. Errors were dealt with by putting the word in writings. When messages are delivered orally, it always faces the risk of distortions hence the written form. 9inches:The church through the Apostles.. You are no longer declaring that it is the church. It is now through the Apostles like they called the twelve of them and awarded them a contract to write the bible on the behalf of the church. 9inches: Your church couldn't have written the Bible and at the same deployed force to keep same out of circulation. Do you know that many went o the stake for having a copy of the Bible and this was authorised and endorsed by your church and the government of the world then, Rome? 9inches: This has been trashed. Give me a passage from the scripture that supports this assertion so we can move forward. None. 9inches: Still looking for home for this tradition nonsense when I have pointed out that the tradition of Jesus and the Apostles was to defend everything by the written word. Jesus had an encounter with satan and rather than reliance on his Christness to dismiss him, he resorted to… It is written...you imagine he didn't know he could have thrown halss of fire on the dude and be done with him? The Apostles defended themselves and taught about Christ from the scripture. There is nothing traditional about preaching or talking. It is the first way God gave us for communication. It is not a tradition or traditional to talk. It is normal and expected… Preaching is an elaboration of the written word hence Christ expounded from all scripture 9inches: They no longer wrote it but sorted it. Canonised it and weaponised self.. Why is your apocryphal Bible not in every hand? 9inches: Abecedarian submission. The body is not where the truth is kept but in the head. The body carries the heart that believes the truth from the head which written in the scripture and uses the hand and feet to demonstrate that believe as faith demonstration. 9inches: ’ Christness’ is in levels. There is not a single church called to teach the entire Bible even if they pretend otherwise. The Holy Spieit is raising men and women for specific assignments. At any rate, Christ says where two or there are gathered he is there. And he says these signs shall follow them that believe, them meaning the church or assembly that believes. Christ will acknowledge a gathering that sends the whole time talking and praying to him alone than one that spend over an hour praying through their Mary and saints against his wn word that he is the mediator and way to the father. He is sure to align himself with the group that bekubes the scripture that says once to die and afterwards judgement than the one that builds an in-between purgatory into the Bible 9inches:You that doesn't know the Holy Spirit will embarrass me in his field? Another proof of a confused character. Is the pope infallible Is there a purgatory designed for your church members and unknown to Jesus and the Apostles Is there any time Jesus Christ or the Apostles encouraged Saints to pray through the dead Did Peter, the man you guys claim as your first pope proclaim any dead human being a saint Peter encouraged speaking in tongues and laid hands, publicly so people can receive the gift if the holy spirit, is this same with your popes 9inches: |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 11:30pm On May 10, 2019 |
I have stated it here that the only reason I won't go that way is simply that there are there different versions of that your truth. There is the version canonized and taught to Reverend Fathers in seminaries for over ten years to make them for enough for use to teach same truth and there is the version of the entire world therefore, rather than the tennis game back and forth, I settle with the scripture There is nothing about church history that doesn't have a concise version right inside the scripture. The Apostles in reality were martyrs. They were persecuted because the state felt threatened by the new culture... Therefore nothing snout history of the church that you can not extrapolate from the scripture... Jesus was killed more for political reasons than religious even though he knew why he had to die... All the inquisition was more for power than a fight in Gods behalf for no man can claim to fight for the gospel and still ban the means for the spread of the same gospel. Whether you are a seminarian, a father or bishop, I assure you you don't want to mess with my library on church history. 9inches: |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Ubenedictus(m): 6:51pm On May 19, 2019 |
Nodogragra4me:so after they leave earth they can nolonger be called "holy one "? talk with wisdom and not prejudice |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 8:59pm On May 19, 2019 |
I don't have the time for the table tennis argument. You win but remember that there is no where in the scripture supports your relationship with the saints you claim lives in heaven and prays or answers your prayers. Jesus is the only way to the father... He said so himself... Saints live here and need prayers...they are not some prayer warriors in heaven... Angels don't pray, they are messengers, ministering spirits sent out of heaven to meet needs not to pray Ubenedictus:
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Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 9:53pm On May 19, 2019 |
Sainthood is not a chieftaincy title a cone cap wearing character travels to confer on some dead persons after many years. It is a title that is automatic on all who have separated themselves as Gods people, here on the earth. You don win, saints lives in heaven but they are not your prayer partners. The saints the scripture knows have prayers and material needs and face challenges here on the earth whereas your own saints are ensconced in heaven as alternate Jesus with full omnipresent capacity to be everywhere like Jesus Christ. Ubenedictus:
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Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Ubenedictus(m): 9:49am On May 24, 2019 |
Nodogragra4me:Then you agree that we do not stop being the "Holy ones" when we get to heaven. As for intercession, can the hand say to the feet I don't need you? The Saints in heaven are members of the same one family. They can't help but pray and cheer for us. As for angels, In the Scripture we find prayers addressed to the angels asking them to pray with us, as in the opening verses of Psalms 148: "Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!" The Bible also indicates that angels do pray for us. Jesus himself warned us not to offend small children because their guardian angels have guaranteed intercessory access to the Father: "See that you do not despise one of these little ones; for I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 18:10). Verses in Revelation show the angels joining in prayers for us: "[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" (vv. 8:3–4). so how does that bother you that I am surrounded by such great a cloud of witnesses, cheering for me in the race. It will also help you to read your Bible with understanding, Jesus is the sole way to the father and in Christ all Christians are united as one body, that is why we can interceed for each other |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Ubenedictus(m): 10:09am On May 24, 2019 |
Nodogragra4me:lol, the cone head people do no confer sainthood as a chieftaincy title, instead they are representative of the entire church recognising the sanctity of life of a fellow Christian. The practice comes from the early church that recognised a martyr and saints, that is why it is good to read up Christian history so as not to talk anyhow, condemning what you do not understand. Saints certainly lived in heaven and are members of Christ's body, as such there is also a fellowship with them. They are not alternative to Jesus, they are members of his body praying for other members 1 Like |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 12:52pm On May 24, 2019 |
No human being can confer or confirm any one a saint. The title is actually not a big deal. It wasn't even used for the Apostles but for believers under authority and needing prayers to stay the course of their Christian journey. You declaring that it is Recognising the sanctity of life by awarding meaningless and trivial titles in elaborate ceremonies running into years only confirms the primacy of religion over Christianity in your church. Only God knows those that are his despite all that declares to be his being recognise immediately as saints of God ....believers of God ..... he doesn't look at the outward appearance and religious pretensions of men but your church thinks otherwise and nominates their preferred candidates for titles. The age of history is immaterial if it promotes the wrong doctrine. If it is not in the scriptures, it is an error or maybe I missed it , so go through the scriptures and point out one scriptures in support of ceremony for the conferment of this title. Prove from the scriptures that those your saints are praying for you. Every Christian is a saint. The scriptures doesn't make provision for ceremonies before it is conferred. Every so-called understanding without scriptural backing is absolute nonsense in the sight of God ... He never promised to back or uphold religion but his word .... The word itself says itis sufficient for doctrine, correction and training unto rightouness, why the addition , what are you trying to achieve with those additions ? Ubenedictus:
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Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 1:11pm On May 24, 2019 |
Ubenedictus: I have told you that I do not intend to continue with a back and forth argument on something you are yet to provide scriptural proof for. Ubenedictus: If you find it in that very scripture, then you also find the moon and waters and fires asked to pray for you or you mean to claim it is only the angels that was mentioned in your own version of the Bible. When meanings are not clear, start from the beginning and go beyond your focus... The summary of psalm 148 is this: let the heavens...heavens not heaven and the earth and all that is in it praise the Lord. Here is the complete verse since yours is not complete... Show me where the angles were ask to pray with us or for us, in the entire chapter "1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights. 2 Praise ye him, all his [1] angels: praise ye him, all his hosts. 3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light. 4 Praise him, [2] ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. 5 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for [3] he commanded, and they were created. 6 [4]He hath also stablished them for ever and ever: he hath made a decree which shall not pass. 7 Praise the LORD from the earth, [5] ye dragons, and all deeps: 8 Fire, and hail; snow, and vapour; stormy wind fulfilling his word: 9 [6]Mountains, and all hills; fruitful trees, and all cedars: 10 Beasts, and all cattle; creeping things, and flying fowl: 11 Kings of the earth, and all people; princes, and [7] all judges of the earth: 12 Both young men, and maidens; old men, and children: 13 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for [8] his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven. 14 He also exalteth the horn of his people, the praise of all his saints; even of the children of Israel, [9] a people near unto him. Praise ye the LORD." (AV, Psalms 148:1-14) Ubenedictus: adding your opinion everywhere won't give it credibility...Go and read the scriptures again but slowly. It didn't indicate that any angle do prsy for you... The very one you have picked out never said they pray for you.. There are ministering angels for little babies... God expects you to grow hence the scripture that says you should desire the sincere milk of the word so you can grow thereby Ubenedictus: YOU are not a smart person and I doubt if you have core understanding... Your very scripture says HE WAS GIVEN INCENSE TO MINGLE WITH THE PRAYERS OF THE SAINTS.... THE PRAYERS OF THE SAINTS.... AT WHAT point did he start praying for you in that very verse, point out where he assumed the praying...... He was given to perform the protocol established in heaven... He was given.. He didn't pray.... He was given and he was considering according to instruction....angles are servants..they are ministers of God instruction. You are yet to find an escape... You are dull in reasoning out the scripture because you are trying to do it like the Ethiopian eunuch...with the intellect Ubenedictus: What you have posted from the scripture never alluded to anyone cheering you in your race. See your closing remark.. A personal opinion of what you think is in the scripture not really what is in the scripture... Interecessor are fellow saints..saints here...fellow Christians not a make believe Mary, or angel Gabriel or saints in heaven
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Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Ubenedictus(m): 11:41pm On May 25, 2019 |
Nodogragra4me:so this is what happens when you discuss with people who can't speak in a polite manner, end up with insults. Oya thank for that. I don't have precious time to waste with someone who can't control his words |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 1:02pm On May 26, 2019 |
I have exercised more than enough patience with you and the other guy but it comes to a state where I am beginning to wonder how you reason: you opened psalm 148 and declared that it indicate that angles are praying with us or for us and I copied the entire chapter and ask you to point out where you saw that then you went to revelation and declared same... I am not a fan of deliberate idiocy and shortsighted understanding of the scripture Every single scripture you And your alter-ego has brought forward I have had to explain to you two. Doesn't that tell you something? As for time, I have surplus of it if it is about the word of God. I will copy the link to this thread to other threads sometime and let others with better understanding and grasp of the scriptures join the discourse Ubenedictus: |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by 9inches(m): 7:05pm On May 27, 2019 |
Nodogragra4me: So you're still arguing if saints on earth retain their sainthood in heaven... Scriptural relativism is your problem, my friend. You clearly have no one to teach you the Word of God correctly. You're here trying to bismirch the church of the Apostles - the body of Christ. Good luck with that. |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 10:47am On May 28, 2019 |
9inches: Scriptural relativism blah blah.... I ask you and Ube to open the scripture and point to the verse.... Nothing even now... Just trying to sell your idea of what ought to be... Because your church follows a ritual to declare somebody a saint doesn't mean they are correct. Saint means a believer in God through Christ. You need not call somebody in heaven a saint for if he is not he won't be there... Saint is a distinguishing title for Gods people here on the earth. It is not even so serious a title. It wasn't even used for any of the apostles in the scripture. If you know the meaning of relativism as you have used it you would have discovered that the title is actually for the general body of upcoming believers...thise still maturing in the faith and not the elders.....pray for the saints at..... The saints.... The needs of the saints....all these statement were directed at those under authority of the apostles and not the apostles |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Ubenedictus(m): 3:09pm On May 29, 2019 |
Nodogragra4me: Since you seem to have a problem agreeing that those in heaven can also be called "Holy ones", maybe I will help you. 1st as I earlier agreed the scriptures uses the term saints with reference to Christians here on earth, in fact 99% of when the word "saint" is used in the Bible it refers to living believers here on earth. 2nd there is a entry in col 1:12 Colossians 1:12 New King James Version (NKJV) 12 giving thanks to the Father who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light. That is an entry that we Christians or specifically the apostle and the Church addressed are sharing the inheritance of the Saints in Light. That is an entry for the holy ones in heaven... Hope that helps your funny doctrine of everything thing must be explicitly stated in the Bible. Are you OK now |
Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Ubenedictus(m): 3:13pm On May 29, 2019 |
9inches:it's just too funny, he is like someone who was given brain cells for decoration, how can someone be arguing whether holy ones on earth are still holy ones in heaven. Do they lose their holiness when they enter heaven? That is the effect of sola scriptura he wants every word to be written explicitly in the Bible as if that was the reason the Bible was written and complied. |
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