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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by capitalzero: 8:51am On May 04, 2019
Shikini:
OP, you made so much sense but this Tinubu and his "fanta for face, Coca Cola for leg"
daughter are too greedy.

I sympathize with ignorant tribal jingoists who out of hatred for Ibos are jumping to take sides with the Tinubus.

See, the Ibo traders whom they hate have nothing to lose - absolutely nothing ! .... because at the end of the day,
the heavy taxation paid to Tinubu's family falls back on Lagosians in the form of higher prices.

A 50K phone will be sold at 70k since Tinubu's extortion have to be recouped.
It's Lagosians that lose!


They will never understand. You do not impose all sorts of taxes -traditional, local ,state and federal - and you expect economy to grow. higher interest rates and ridiculous taxes are bane of economic problems.

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by teufelein(f): 10:48am On May 04, 2019
Yorubas should stop disturbing Igbos with barbaric, obsolete and unproductive Cultures/Traditions


After the 2nd World War, the Japanese Government admitted that they had been insular and thus, had fallen behind the rest of the world in the way they did things. This was despite the fact that most of the goods and services were made and developed in Japan.

They came up with a policy of sending the best of their students to America and Europe to learn how things could be better done. The students spent several years in these countries, learnt modern methods of government, business and structures and went back to Japan.
The Japanese Government, deliberately allowed the erstwhile expatriates to start implementing policies for the different Prefectures (Regions, if you may) of Japan. Outcomes were monitored and appraised.

Over a 25 year period, the totality of government of Japan evolved; the old guard were retired alongside their ways. And a modern, sharper, smarter Japan arose from the ashes of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Emperor of Japan progressively had less say in the affairs of the country while power devolved to the Prefectures and Municipalities. Tokyo remains the capital and power commonly shared by the constituent Prefectures.
Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by luvmijeje(f): 11:48am On May 04, 2019
Shikini:
OP, you made so much sense but this Tinubu and his "fanta for face, Coca Cola for leg"
daughter are too greedy.

I sympathize with ignorant tribal jingoists who out of hatred for Ibos are jumping to take sides with the Tinubus.

See, the Ibo traders whom they hate have nothing to lose - absolutely nothing ! .... because at the end of the day,
the heavy taxation paid to Tinubu's family falls back on Lagosians in the form of higher prices.

A 50K phone will be sold at 70k since Tinubu's extortion have to be recouped.
Las Las it's Lagosians that lose!


How much is the money you are being tasked. The last time I worked in a market, it was 100 naira per month. Is it too much to pay as a tax?

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by teufelein(f): 11:56am On May 04, 2019
luvmijeje:


How much is the money you are being tasked. The last time I worked in a market, it was 100 naira per month. Is it too much to pay as a tax?

you people are very greedy people, you never had enough of stealing from poor traders/people. how much levies/taxes are enough?

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by luvmijeje(f): 12:14pm On May 04, 2019
teufelein:


you people are very greedy people, you never had enough of stealing from poor traders/people. how much levies/taxes are enough?

So your definition of greedy is paying tax to government. Is there anywhere in the world that they don't pay tax? Is it only Igbos that are being tax?

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by MetaPhysical: 3:19pm On May 04, 2019
capitalzero:


you still could not understand. Ooni is chairman of council of obas in osun state. does ooni or his iyaloja has power over any markets or iyaloja in ilesa or iragbiji or obamoro or iwo.not possible. do we have associations of markets or iyalojas in osun state? yes. do chairperson of that association has power to control markets or install iyaloja in markets outside her domain? answer no. granted, tinubu is head of association of iyalojas in lagos but she does not have traditional powers over all markets or authority to install iyaloja for any market. it is only oba ikeja i.e olu of ikeja that has such powers over c any markets in lagos. all yorubas are not fool to follow tinubu and his family stupidly. can u please answer me, who is iyaloja of shoprite which is also located in ikeja? you cannot hate racism and be promoting tribalism for whatever reasons. that is mother fucking hypocrisy in falz voice?

No, you do not understand the evolution of Lagos into a mega business zone. Lagos has the highest IGR, in fact in another 20yrs or less Nigeria will earn less than Lagos. All that money comes from commerce. The Oja institution has evolved with the prosperity and become a single huge economic domain. Iyaloja is the organizing head of all Ojas in that single domain, regardless of location and whoever is a trader in that market.

The issue here is not even domain. The problem is outlined in the opening post. Im not sure you read that opening post, if you did you failed to understand its purpose. Please read the opening post thoroughly and acquaint yourself with the issue.
Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by MetaPhysical: 3:25pm On May 04, 2019
capitalzero:


They will never understand. You do not impose all sorts of taxes -traditional, local ,state and federal - and you expect economy to grow. higher interest rates and ridiculous taxes are bane of economic problems.

If interest rate is too high, dont go into debt. There are many ways to source funds without taking loan.

If taxes are indiscriminate make a statement that will impact the LG and force them to get sense. Relocate to a place with tax incentives.
Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by capitalzero: 3:43pm On May 04, 2019
MetaPhysical:


No, you do not understand the evolution of Lagos into a mega business zone. Lagos has the highest IGR, in fact in another 20yrs or less Nigeria will earn less than Lagos. All that money comes from commerce. The Oja institution has evolved with the prosperity and become a single huge economic domain. Iyaloja is the organizing head of all Ojas in that single domain, regardless of location and whoever is a trader in that market.

The issue here is not even domain. The problem is outlined in the opening post. Im not sure you read that opening post, if you did you failed to understand its purpose. Please read the opening post thoroughly and acquaint yourself with the issue.


story

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by capitalzero: 3:47pm On May 04, 2019
MetaPhysical:


If interest rate is too high, dont go into debt. There are many ways to source funds without taking loan.

If taxes are indiscriminate make a statement that will impact the LG and force them to get sense. Relocate to a place with tax incentives.

How to source funds for business? let us know. try to interact with business men especially small and medium scale businesses you will be amazed about your findings. visit microfinance banks and understand how traders are struggling to pay back of #20k. I cannot defend retrogressive idea.

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by teufelein(f): 4:25pm On May 04, 2019
luvmijeje:


So your definition of greedy is paying tax to government. Is there anywhere in the world that they don't pay tax? Is it only Igbos that are being tax?

The fate of Igbos: If Jews and Arabs were in one Federal country, and the Arabs were in charge, Israel will be a desert today.

Look at Israel today, what do you observe? The ways, means and methods, the fulanis or yorubas are implementing in solving problems are not the right methods for igbos. we must seek SEPARATION, each independent nation following its methods.

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by luvmijeje(f): 4:58pm On May 04, 2019
teufelein:


The fate of Igbos: If Jews and Arabs were in one Federal country, and the Arabs were in charge, Israel will be a desert today.

Look at Israel today, what do you observe? The ways, means and methods, the fulanis or yorubas are implementing in solving problems are not the right methods for igbos. we must seek SEPARATION, each independent nation following its methods.

What is the right method for the Igbos? You know charity begins at home, so I'm expecting that the right method should have began in the Southeast.

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by teufelein(f): 7:34pm On May 04, 2019
A Monumental Tragedy...

It is bad enough that we do not operate Nigeria employing empirical data, proffering solutions and monitoring outcomes. We do not employ the knowledge-based to operate a country. Without knowledge and scientific methods we are bound to behave like Neanderthals and Early Men.

It's worse still that those that defend this structure, or defend the Nigerian state as structured, neither do so from a position of knowledge! Most supporters and defenders of this abomination, argue from such positions of alarming ignorance that one virtually gives up on the country!

One listens to officials and supporters alike, discuss national policies employing emotions that have no scientific or historical backing! They employ primordial instincts and the most basic forms of idiocy to justify another idiocy in the name of governance! And once you're a dissenting voice, you're immediately labelled a terrorist, troublemaker or some other silly appellations that occur to them!

Operating a country in determined ignorance is as silly as attempting to fetch water in a basket! Justifying the current stupidity called governance or the document for imbeciles called 1999 constitution, is an unfortunate tragedy! Once I encounter such individuals, I simply take a walk! Some actually claim to be educated but their arguments and presentations are so puerile, so pedestrian, that you would feel like tearing off your clothes in the middle of Dugbe Market, and weep sadly for Nigeria.

The Bible says that "people suffer for lack of knowledge"! That verse must have had Nigeria in mind before it was written! We do not employ knowledge in governance so we suffer immensely! We have a moronic constitution that's bereft of any modicum of knowledge thus turning a whole country into a cage peopled by near morons! It is a calamity!

As long as we refuse to operate a knowledge-based country, we are bound to remain the Derelicts of the Earth!
Nigeria, as structured, is a monumental tragedy!
#thinkAgain.
Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by teufelein(f): 7:48pm On May 04, 2019
luvmijeje:


What is the right method for the Igbos? You know charity begins at home, so I'm expecting that the right method should have began in the Southeast.

You don't think in an expanded spectrum of logic, what do you think igbo could have done differently in a country where Fools/Criminals manage the affairs of peoples. You know it for sure in an independent Igbo Nation none of the selected fulani stooges acting as governors in igboland would have become one. They're unlettered and criminals, those're the kind of people we ostracise from igboland.
The british Zoo called Nigeria is a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE!

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by plaindealer: 8:50pm On May 04, 2019
capitalzero:


you still could not understand. Ooni is chairman of council of obas in osun state. does ooni or his iyaloja has power over any markets or iyaloja in ilesa or iragbiji or obamoro or iwo.not possible. do we have associations of markets or iyalojas in osun state? yes. do chairperson of that association has power to control markets or install iyaloja in markets outside her domain? answer no. granted, tinubu is head of association of iyalojas in lagos but she does not have traditional powers over all markets or authority to install iyaloja for any market. it is only oba ikeja i.e olu of ikeja that has such powers over c any markets in lagos. all yorubas are not fool to follow tinubu and his family stupidly. can u please answer me, who is iyaloja of shoprite which is also located in ikeja? you cannot hate racism and be promoting tribalism for whatever reasons. that is mother fucking hypocrisy in falz voice?



Also speaking, the reagent to the stool of Olu of Ikeja, Prince Isiaka Apena, said the protests over the new market leaders were uncalled for. He said leaders were to see to the welfare of markets and urged those protesting to join the new leadership to move the market forward.

Apena reiterated the need for traders to show respect for their hosts, saying the claim that Ikeja belongs to no one was provocative an an insult to the Aworis who had lived there for over 400-years.



https://www.legit.ng/1236370-i-appoint-iyaloja-tinubu-ojo-reacts-protests.html


The Olu of Ikeja is actually on the side of Iyaloja.

You people don't know anything about Lagos state, state traditions, institutions and agencies, you just make things up and end up sounding ignorant.
Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by luvmijeje(f): 4:51am On May 05, 2019
teufelein:


You don't think in an expanded spectrum of logic, what do you think igbo could have done differently in a country where Fools/Criminals manage the affairs of peoples. You know it for sure in an independent Igbo Nation none of the selected fulani stooges acting as governors in igboland would have become one. They're unlettered and criminals, those're the kind of people we ostracise from igboland.
The british Zoo called Nigeria is a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE!

So this method that's best for Igbos is not applied in the land controlled by people who spoke your language, came out of your village and elected by your people but you have the audacity to make that request in a land controlled by people who don't speak your language, didn't come out of villages or are elected by you.

Can you see how entitled you are?

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by Emekankwoka(m): 5:18am On May 05, 2019
Economic war against Igbos is still going on....
Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by Chinablack: 6:19am On May 05, 2019
, when northerners imposed repressive sharia in the north with claims that it was their custom and religion the yorubas were among Nigerians that protested until northerners promised that it will not affect non northerners and Muslims living their region. since yorubas have claimed this repugnant and repressive social practice is their way of life which they love so much, they should make sure it doesn't affect non yorubas living in their region

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by luvmijeje(f): 6:49am On May 05, 2019
Chinablack:
, when northerners imposed repressive sharia in the north with claims that it was their custom and religion the yorubas were among Nigerians that protested until northerners promised that it will not affect non northerners and Muslims living their region. since yorubas have claimed this repugnant and repressive social practice is their way of life which they love so much, they should make sure it doesn't affect non yorubas living in their region

What's repressive about it? I'll list 5 benefits of that system of government that I saw with my eyes. I was managing a shop that deals with costume jewelries.

1. There was a time we had issues of electricity in Tejuosho, we reported to Iyaoloja, who on our behalf fight for us and within 48 hrs the issue was a resolved.

2. We also had issues of area boys coming to task us and our customers, we reported to Iyaoloja that we are already paying tax so why should we should we pay extra to the area boys. That same week Iyaoloja brought police to arrest them.

3. We had issues of payment of toilet facilities. We are like how can we be paying for toilet facilities when we are already paying for rent. And they explained that if there was no charges, the toilet facilities will be misused. They were still on that issue till I left there.

4. There are other categories of traders who don't have standard shop but space, they complained the money they are paying for space is too much. In
my present the money payed was reduced.

5. We had issues of traders fighting each other and constituting nuisance in the market space. They were reported and their shops were locked up till they pay the require fine.



So why are Igbos not contented with these?

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by wowcatty: 6:58am On May 05, 2019
First of all there was no such thing as 1999 constitution, what you have is a military decree which is null and void since the constitution we agreed on was suspended by the Igbo in 1966. The whole thing is easy, move out of Yorubaland if you can’t abide by the law of the land. I blame Yoruba for all these though, I don’t know why it’s difficult for Yoruba to understand that, if visitors are too comfortable, the host always lose something like peace of mind, this is why white people (no matter how wealthy) always make the guest rooms especially the bed as uncomfortable as possible, so the guests won’t think they are on vacation and think of spending more than a day or two with them. It’s good though that Yoruba are experiencing this to learn the hard way to balance the accommodating spirit with a little of carrot and stick approach. And if this happens, Igbo are done for.

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by wowcatty: 7:25am On May 05, 2019
Ode, you need a dictionary for meaning of leeches that latch onto hosts just like igbos latch on Yoruba for survival. Why can’t you stay in your region if you can do anything on your own rather than being drifters all over the place?
kafulka:
A larg percentage of people from that region survives on tuggry and hooliganism

When you are not entrepreneurial you becomes a leech
.

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by teufelein(f): 7:27am On May 05, 2019
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wowcatty:
First of all there was no such thing as 1999 constitution, what you have is a military decree which is null and void since the constitution we agreed on was suspended by the Igbo in 1966. The whole thing is easy, move out of Yorubaland if you can’t abide by the law of the land. I blame Yoruba for all these though, I don’t know why it’s difficult for Yoruba to understand that, if visitors are too comfortable, the host always lose something like peace of mind, this is why white people (no matter how wealth) always make the guest rooms especially the bed as uncomfortable as possible, so the guests won’t think they are on vacation and think of spending more than a day or two with them. It’s good though that Yoruba are experiencing this to learn the hard way to balance the accommodating spirit with a little of parrot and stick approach. And if this happens, Igbo are done for.
[/s]

What the hell of Nonsense is this? Dark man and Reason...

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by wowcatty: 7:48am On May 05, 2019
There you go! That’s what’s going to settle this. Yoruba have brought in IGI-ELERA and must suffer the consequence, but at the end of the day, the few Yoruba left will come out strong and the igbos will never see Yorubaland the same way again. Bring it on, Yorubaland must be free and there’s no easy way to be free.
teufelein:
info...

....pick a gun and fight tinubus, start a bloody revolution right there in lagos, burn lagos down, yes you can.
man dies but once and death brings absolute instant calmness. stop complaining, my people.

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by wowcatty: 8:11am On May 05, 2019
Yoruba don’t dictate how others run their affairs and I dare you to post a link where Yoruba protested what’s being done in other people’s land. If Kwara and Kogi were included in the sharia north, then Yorubaland carved to the north must be excluded. So, since Iyaloja has not been extended to igboland, there’s no basis for comparison here. Grow your region and do whatever you want with it and stop watching what Yoruba are doing with theirs. That your ancestors have messed up your lives is an understatement, but what your children won’t forgive you for is the Igbo tradition of depending on others to survive. As you can see, Nigeria is unsustainable and being held together with gun and bloodshed on burrowed time. You igbos have it coming and on panick mode.
Chinablack:
, when northerners imposed repressive sharia in the north with claims that it was their custom and religion the yorubas were among Nigerians that protested until northerners promised that it will not affect non northerners and Muslims living their region. since yorubas have claimed this repugnant and repressive social practice is their way of life which they love so much, they should make sure it doesn't affect non yorubas living in their region

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by teufelein(f): 8:36am On May 05, 2019
wowcatty:
......Yorubaland must be free and there’s no easy way to be free.

How can a child under foster care speaks of freedom, you're being fed and pampered. When you become a man we'll know.
Fight first for independent yoruba nation, until then you're a child under guardian.

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by wowcatty: 9:00am On May 05, 2019
If you hadn’t bathe with what you were asked to drink, you would have known that all I’ve consistently said is Yoruba nation, unlike you confused souls who move wherever the wind blows. Until you find a position and stand there, you are just a talking head.
teufelein:


How can a child under foster care speaks of freedom, you're being fed and pampered. When you become a man we'll know.
Fight first for independent yoruba nation, until then you're a child under guardian.

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by teufelein(f): 9:26am On May 05, 2019
wowcatty:
If you hadn’t bathe with what you were asked to drink, you would have known that all I’ve consistently said is Yoruba nation, unlike you confused souls who move wherever the wind blows. Until you find a position and stand there, you are just a talking head.

I can't take it any more, this's completely nonsense, my dear.

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by teufelein(f): 11:03am On May 05, 2019
luvmijeje:


[s]So this method that's best for Igbos is not applied in the land controlled by people who spoke your language, came out of your village and elected by your people but you have the audacity to make that request in a land controlled by people who don't speak your language, didn't come out of villages or are elected by you.

Can you see how entitled you are? [/s]

Anakogheri....wich kind allah created dis type of people. di isi oji. Dark Devils.
Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by kafulka(m): 11:13am On May 05, 2019
wowcatty:
Ode, you need a dictionary for meaning of leeches that latch onto hosts just like igbos latch on Yoruba for survival. Why can’t you stay in your region if you can do anything on your own rather than being drifters all over the place?

You could also wonder why dangote is building oil refinery in Lagos when he could convienentely built it in kano state, same as Mtn which is south Africa company

Business minded people spread their wings in order to make profits

Hope you are enlightened this time around
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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by conductor1004: 11:33am On May 05, 2019
Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by Westbestside: 12:28pm On May 05, 2019
luvmijeje:


So your definition of greedy is paying tax to government. Is there anywhere in the world that they don't pay tax? Is it only Igbos that are being tax?
Maybe they don't pay In piggy land.

Op, Chanel your rant to your eastern market leader they are protesting against.

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by Westbestside: 12:32pm On May 05, 2019
Chinablack:
, when northerners imposed repressive sharia in the north with claims that it was their custom and religion the yorubas were among Nigerians that protested until northerners promised that it will not affect non northerners and Muslims living their region. since yorubas have claimed this repugnant and repressive social practice is their way of life which they love so much, they should make sure it doesn't affect non yorubas living in their region
Zombie , which Yoruba, what concerns Yoruba with happening in other regions. Na my hand them go cut. Go and tell Indonesia not to put death sentence on drug dealer na

Just as the law in your region doesn't affect Yoruba abi

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Re: The 1999 Constitution And The Iyaloja Of Tinubu's Lagos by archangel1(m): 12:37pm On May 05, 2019
MetaPhysical:


Tinubu is only there because she was invited to intervene. Iyaloja and Babaloja now report to LG Chairmen but they sit in Oba Council. You cannot bring all the Iyalojas to sit in council therefore there is Head-Iyaloja (Tinubu) that goes to council, but individual markets are presided over by respective appointees from the LG that oversees the market. So it works different than the way you outlined.

Also, markets in Lagos have always been very important. Next to the King, market is the next ranked priority. In fact, market in Yorubaland is more than a stall to sell and buy, it is an institution! It is a landmark also! The Lebanese (who Yoruba call Korea) have been in trade in Lagos far longer than Ibos. Ereko, Martins, Balogun, Idumota, Tinubu, Bristol, and so on....they dominated these parts. Till today their investments and properties still thrive in Lagos and they have never questioned or complain about Iyaloja that oversee their markets. So who is Ibo in Lagos?

Markets are so crucial as the backbone of Lagos that after Kosoko returned from exile in Epe the Governor built him a Palace and Oba Akintoye conferred on him Oloja of Ereko....which expanded to become Oloja of Lagos. The original Lagos port was where BRT buses stop now at Marina and used to be call Quay side. Customs clearing was done there before they relocated across the Lagoon to Apapa. There is a street adjacent to it and called Market Street. Im not sure if you are aware, the colonials saw Lagos Ports back in 1860s and early 1900s the way we see Lagos Ports today.....IGR cash cow! So Oja and politics go hand in hand in Lagos, before oyinbo came, while they were here and now that we rule it. You cannot separate market and politics in Lagos, and the politics of Lagos must remain intact in Yoruba hand. We will not share our administrative politics and we will not share our market politics.

The Lebanaese have been here hundreds of years and never complained about Iyaloja. Obalende and Idi Araba have markets and their heads are Yorubas. The Hausas dont complain. Ibo must comply with directives from Iyaloja and bring itself under regulation or we will vacate your shops and reallocate them. We are tired of you snubbing your noses at our culture and forming parallel organizations anywhere Yoruba is head. We will deal with you and there is nothing anyone anywhere in the world can do to save you. It will be too late if we take action against you...a severe action!
'we will deal with you' look at this one.

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