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Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 10:36am On May 07, 2019 |
phineas: Now heres something we can agree on. However, its important to note that civilization in Africa movd up the nile. That is to say, its been analysed front, back and centre; most African historians come to the conclusion that Yoruba influence on Ancient Egypt is undeniable. Hence, its Ancient Egypt that shares from the Yoruba because, all the earliest West African civilisation predate Ancient Egypt in years that amount in their hundreds and thousands. 1 Like |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by aribisala0(m): 10:36am On May 07, 2019 |
ademijuwonlo:What is your point ? The Yoruba idea is ALL ethnicities ,ALL humanities came from Ile-Ife. That is where the first man arose. It is not exclusive to Yoruba even the Chinese and Arabs all came from Ile-Ife. In other word Ile-Ife is the Yoruba version of the Garden of Eden. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 10:38am On May 07, 2019 |
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Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by ademijuwonlo(f): 10:40am On May 07, 2019 |
aribisala0:You didn't have to be rude to pass your message in a debate.You are rude by saying I should keep quiet and by calling by comparison stupid.You are allowed to make your argument without insult. Kindly,learn some manners especially when it comes to how to talk or engage people in public. FYI, We are all here to share and learn since no one is an island of knowledge. Other Yoruba didn't even like marrying the Ijebus because it was believed that they were fetish, miser and weren't taking care of their wives like they cared for concubines. The Ijebus have an eulogise that says ; Ijebu takes care of concubines tenderly like they have never seen women before, but they have twenty-thirty wives at home. They neglected their wives to care for mere concubines. Who would give out his/her daughter out in marriage to people like that? Don't forget that children from the same household even behave differently and why parents are often advised not to compare child with the others and to approach training their children differently based on each child's needs and characteristics. Therefore, Ijeshas, Ekitis, Oyos, Aworis, Ijebus, Egbas, Ife, Igbominas etc are allowed to behave differently, and do things differently though they all have roots in Ife and claimed to be from Ife. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by LazyGold(m): 10:43am On May 07, 2019 |
Born2Breed: When all You Benin do is lied You Claim Oranmiyan was the son of Oduduwa when Oranmiyan was really the Grandson of Oduduwa The Olugbo of Ugbo King did not say Oduduwa migrated from Benin, but you Benin are already lying that he said Oduduwa migrated from Benin 4 Likes |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by forgiveness: 10:44am On May 07, 2019 |
perryy: Oduduwa was not from Benin. Benin never had oba and organisation until someone from Ife changed the monarchy system in Benin. Where did Oduduwa get all those things from? 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 10:44am On May 07, 2019 |
ademijuwonlo: Yes, yes i would. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by capitalzero: 10:45am On May 07, 2019 |
kunmiiii: actually, I should not have used the word ' ruling'. terrorizing ife would be more appropriate. thanks |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by forgiveness: 10:47am On May 07, 2019 |
ademijuwonlo: A larger proportion of Yorubas are either Muslims or Christians. 1 Like |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 10:52am On May 07, 2019 |
forgiveness: And there lies a huge predicament in my opinion. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by MyVILLAGEpeople(m): 10:56am On May 07, 2019 |
fatiaforreal: Hmmm I was only talking on what I have been hearing. So are you saying Obateru is right?? 1 Like |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by forgiveness: 10:57am On May 07, 2019 |
Amujale: You mean there was place like Hanjul, Mongolia, China etcetera? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Nobody: 11:09am On May 07, 2019 |
aribisala0: You speak with so much authority yet most everything you say turns out to be bullshīt ![]() The Eleko's kingship was established by one of the descendants of Oduduwa's dynasty circa fifteenth century AD and the Ijebus also trace their roots to Ile-Ife. 1 Like |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Born2Breed(f): 11:10am On May 07, 2019 |
LazyGold: I won't call you a liar but a miserable ignoramus. Your ignorance reeks to high heavens. Go study more about your distorted history. Engaging you is like talking to a wall. 1 Like |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Born2Breed(f): 11:17am On May 07, 2019 |
forgiveness: You are confused. Ife never had organization before the arrival of the Benin Prince. The Ogiso dynasty was over 500yrs before the migration of Ekhaladerhan to Ife and the return of Oranmiyan to Benin. Ife was disorganized until a Benin prince brought sanity to that domain and chased away the ruling class. 1 Like |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by ademijuwonlo(f): 11:17am On May 07, 2019 |
Amujale:Really? |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by ademijuwonlo(f): 11:28am On May 07, 2019 |
forgiveness:They are now Christians, Muslims and some of them still worship Osun and other deities on the side but identify with either Islam or Christianity. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by aribisala0(m): 11:32am On May 07, 2019 |
ademijuwonlo: The Ijebus stood out from all other so called Yoruba for this ONE THING Eatings taboos may affect Family groups or clans but female circumcision is the one thing that differentiates the Ijebu not just from Yoruba but the WHOLE of Southern Nigeria if not the whole Nigeria. To then compare that to eating millet or popcorn is a disgrace Once again sir your comparison of circumcison with eating taboo is quite unintelligent bordering on stupid. Sometimes smart people say stupid things. but Imu jina si oju what people eat( eating taboos) and circumcision are so fundamentally different and if you do not get it there is no point of further engagement. There are certain affinity markers are are fundamental Naming ceremonies Burial ceremonies Kingship rites and governance systems Marriage ceremonies/rites/practice including female circumcision You really have nothing to say to me if you think there is a nexus between the two. I thought you had a serious contribution to make Other Yorubas? The fact is that Other "Yorubas " again is an ignorant statement. We are talking about a time when there were no bicycles not to talk of cars ant the entire region was more or less forest There was very very little intermarriage except among neigbouring villages so the prospect of Ondo marrying Ife or Oyo except through slavery was rare so stop propagating silly myths Ijebus generally married Ijebus or Egbas,Oyos married themselves and so on The fact is groups DID NOT IDENTIFY themselves as Yoruba? Why would they? What does YORUBA mean? The people everybody knew as Yoruba were Oyo and their close relatives. Apart from that the people would have assumed that the forest was the world and all people spoke a mutually intelligible form of Anago without being one people until they started encountering other groups |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by ademijuwonlo(f): 11:58am On May 07, 2019 |
aribisala0: I don't engage people who think they know but know nothing and still don't want to learn. It would be wrong of me to continue debating with you because People who are ignorant like you make argument based on their ignorance and use years of experience they have had in their ignorant states to bring intellectuals who have correct accounts and engage politely to their ignorant level. So, I don't engage with Ignorant and rude people. And besides this is not about age, so what is "imu jina soju" here? Say correct accounts of descendants of Oduduwa. Don't come here and argue who is older between you and I.Only people who are suffering from inferiority complex use age to win argument. You are the one who speaks unintelligently and still adamantly saying what is not backed by any known history or facts. kindly, go back and learn history from the right source because you are not making any sense at all. Yeah, I know they didn't identify as yoruba then but that's not what my argument with you is all about, we were on whether Ijebus were descendants of oduduwa(Omo oduduwa) and I used Yoruba for all Oduduwa' children because that's what they are now collectively known as. The Remos are from Iremo Quarters in Ile Ife and can be found in Ijebu Iremo, the people of Ijebu Igbo are from Ita Otutu Quarters in Ile Ife. The Ago Iwoye people have affinity with the Ondos (Ebumawe/Osemawe). Are these people not Ijebus ?. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by aribisala0(m): 12:17pm On May 07, 2019 |
ademijuwonlo:I do not like to upset sensitive people I do not think I talked about age anywhere ![]() Well Oduduwa's children has multiple meanings depending on the context and story. The context here is of kings and Obas. The other context is Oduduwa as the first man(Adam) or at least the "Yoruba" version. This latter story is one that was written into some history books by uninformed "scholars" . It is silly and not really worthy of discourse The former is Oduduwa as the founder of a dynasty of kings who are his children. Therefor by definition all his children are Omoba This latter event is quite recent relatively. the current alaafin cite their genealogy going back to Oduduwa and contemporary traditions from Edo tell us this is about 1000 years old. Yet we know that Ife has been settled for thousands of years ,the Yoruba language and Ifa are much older than Oduduwa so he cannot be "Adam" Omo Odua may have sentimental pull but IJEBU are not Omo Odua. Neither the people or the Monarchy. The only way Ijebu can be Omo Odua is by the Adam theory This idea has been resisted from day one but like a lie that is repeated often it starts looking like truth. It starts assuming the tyranny of Hisbah that say you cannot eat in public in Kano during Ramaddan We are Omo Kaaro Ojire NOT Omo Oduduwa you may be omo Oduduwa but I am not though I identify with the SENTIMENT. According to Ifa tradition the first man was Obatala NOT Oduduwa His was the Original dynasty and that is probably what this guy is alluding to Naturally the Yoruba history and tradition was transmitted by oral chanting and Obatala has been "photoshopped" out of the story by Oduduwa descendants 4 Likes |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by ademijuwonlo(f): 12:25pm On May 07, 2019 |
aribisala0: The Remos are from Iremo Quarters in Ile Ife, the people of Ijebu Igbo are from Ita Otutu Quarters in Ile Ife. The Ago Iwoye people have affinity with the Ondos (Ebumawe/Osemawe). Are these people not Ijebus ?. I like the first part of your last paragraph and that's where the problem is. History was orally handed down and has been tampered with for selfish and political gains. 2 Likes |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by aribisala0(m): 12:25pm On May 07, 2019 |
Just like the Fulani came and usurped power in Hausaland so also Oduduwa came and usurped power from Obatala Now what is not clear is whether this guy is claiming to be an Obatala descendant |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by aribisala0(m): 12:40pm On May 07, 2019 |
ademijuwonlo:That the Remos are from anywhere is just a tale nothing more. You fill probably find that there is as much input from Ijaw, Igala,Hausa ,Mali and so on. Remember that the slave trade lasted 500 years . How many people tell you about their slave ancestors and yet entire towns were created by released or escaped slaves of unknown origins. Lots of people settled and founded settlements in Ijebuland because of slave trade and then adopted Ijebu language but that does not mean they are necessarily Ijebu or even Yoruba. Many are indeed Ijaw or from Togo and are found in Riverine areas. You can tell if you know these things e.g they may not be into Ifa or worship water deities unknown to Ifa and other subtle things so it it important to be open minded on issues of identity it is not a binary. Yoruba or not Yoruba,Ijebu or not Ijebu etc . It is more complex than that Genetic origins cultural origins geographic origins etc do not always coincide Oyo in particular grew its army with slaves who were then "naturalized" over time 1 Like |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by fatiaforreal: 12:42pm On May 07, 2019 |
It's a case of dispersal rather than descent. Original Ife being somewhere around Kogi.
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Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 1:48pm On May 07, 2019 |
ademijuwonlo: Yes, really. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by ajl: 1:54pm On May 07, 2019 |
If you look at the name of this "jankariwo" oba, it say "Obateru". We know in Yorubaland names have meaning and often names are based on events, history, and human experience. "Obateru" is a name that compare kings to slaves which mean that "a king measures as much as a slave". What could have made his ancestors adopt such name? This is my guess. His ancestors were likely to have been slaves at one point in the past and by some mean or events one of his ancestors that was a slave became a king. So, you can understand his mindset, he has serious issues with kings whose ancestors became kings via birthright and he would always act like a rebel because in his mind he thinks "though my ancestors were slaves, we measure as much as any king irrespective of the history". 1 Like |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 1:54pm On May 07, 2019 |
forgiveness: Before those places ever have habitants. Depicting a period in both World and African history whereby the only people living on our planet are Africans. 50% of world history occurs exclusively within Africa. During these times, we've almost certainly already experience civilisation countless times already. i.e Ife, Oyo, Benin, Ashante, Ethiopia, Mali, Sudan, Zimbabwe, KM.T e.t.c Most of the dates and periods the Eurocentrics and Asiatics fail to assert on most African artefacts and sacred sites are intentionally misconstrued to suit their version of world history. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 2:00pm On May 07, 2019 |
ajl: Our ancestry, is filled with wonderful and great personalities. We have divine representatives of the Supreme Beings amongst them, Royalty, scientists and all sorts of reputable academics. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by aribisala0(m): 2:07pm On May 07, 2019 |
ajl: That is not what the name means What does Obatala mean What does Oduduwa mean ![]() That You cannot come up with anything but a personal attack on his name is evidence of poverty of ideas Eru could mean many many things in Yoruba with even more meanings in some dialects E.g Awe, fear,terror e.g A king worthy to be feared,An awesome king, a fearsome king is just one possibility. Why you choose to latch on to an improbable translation is not clear but the name is not even pronounced in a way that would suggest that Fact is that there was an Obatala dynasty in Ife before Oduduwa Tell us what Obatala means and relate that to Obateru 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by KingLennon(m): 2:51pm On May 07, 2019 |
Isoduwa:Did you read that oba statement? |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by forgiveness: 3:02pm On May 07, 2019 |
Amujale: It seems you don't know much about world history after the destruction of the world during the days of Noah. The new world began in Asia, not Africa. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by LazyGold(m): 3:05pm On May 07, 2019 |
Born2Breed: You are the one that really need to go and study more about your distorted History and you are the miserable ignoramus here. You call Oranmiyan the son of Oduduwa when he was really a Grandson of Oduduwa and even the last Grandson, that alone prove that all you Benin is trying to do is lying and falsification. Keep your falsification to yourselves and keep Yoruba out of it, you are already lying about what the Olugbo of Ugbo said about Oduduwa, Olugbo of Ugbo himself said Oduduwa did not come from Benin but you are already lying about what he said. 1 Like |
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