ademijuwonlo:

They are now Christians, Muslims and some of them still worship Osun and other deities on the side but identify with either Islam or Christianity.

aribisala0:
Just like the Fulani came and usurped power in Hausaland so also Oduduwa came and usurped power from Obatala

Now what is not clear is whether this guy is claiming to be an Obatala descendant

LazyGold:


Yes Oduduwa usurped power from Obatala which means even if he was Obatala descendant he still have no claim, the power is already lost

aribisala0:

Are you the Tribunal in their matter? Why talk like a child . What is lost cannot be reclaimed?
Israel was lost for 2000 years and today they are back peppering the Palestinians



Has Ooni not lost power to Nigeria?

This is not to say I support him or even believe him.
By your logic we should never have fought for independence

The fact that you have always believed something does not mean it is true

LazyGold:


The Fulani Usurped Hausa power so who is now with the power today?

Americans Usurped power from the Aborigines people so who is now with the power today?

Yes Isreal is back but not without a war

Obatala and Oduduwa have already fought this war and Obatala lost which means any Obatala descendant don't have any right to power because they have already lost it.


If Obatala descendants want to be back in power but then there is going to be another war to reclaim what they already lost

All you are doing is calling for war in Yoruba Land, no Obatala descendants have any right to power in Ile ife because they have already lost it and if they want the power back the will have to follow the same process of which they lost the power again and that is through War.

LazyGold:


The Fulani Usurped Hausa power so who is now with the power today?

Americans Usurped power from the Aborigines people so who is now with the power today?

Yes Isreal is back but not without a war

Obatala and Oduduwa have already fought this war and Obatala lost which means any Obatala descendant don't have any right to power because they have already lost it.


If Obatala descendants want to be back in power but then there is going to be another war to reclaim what they already lost

All you are doing is calling for war in Yoruba Land, no Obatala descendants have any right to power in Ile ife because they have already lost it and if they want the power back the will have to follow the same process of which they lost the power again and that is through War.

The so called unity amongst the major tribes in Nigeria is a mirage. This tribe are currently United to fight other tribes in other to gain a large piece of what Nigeria has to offer. The Oba is only positioning himself for the inevitable dissolution or reconstitution of Nigeria because with the way Nigeria is currently being governed, it's only a matter of time before things fall apart. When that time comes, everyone will start answering their real tribes, then you will know that there are differences between Ekiti, Egba and Ijebu, Anambra and Imo, Hausa, Fulani, Nupe and Idoma.

KingLennon:

Did you read that oba statement?

aribisala0:


Was there a war to claim independence from the British

You cannot envision beyond the confines of your brainpower.

Who is in power today will not be there tomorrow
Do we even know that there will be Yoruba in that space tomorrow
Such limitations are innate and are rarely overcome.

War is not the only way to achieve political objectives

aribisala0:

Are you the Tribunal in their matter? Why talk like a child . What is lost cannot be reclaimed?
Israel was lost for 2000 years and today they are back peppering the Palestinians



Has Ooni not lost power to Nigeria?

This is not to say I support him or even believe him.
By your logic we should never have fought for independence

The fact that you have always believed something does not mean it is true

LazyGold:


He never said Oduduwa migrated from Benin, but you Benin have already twisted his words and lied as Usual

https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/sunday-magazine/akinruntan-i-occupy-oldest-throne-in-yoruba-history-making-me-first-among-equals/amp


You call Oranmiyan the son of Oduduwa when Oranmiyan was really the grandson of Oduduwa and the last born

LazyGold:



It is stupidity to compare this situation to freedom fighting

He is not fighting for freedom but supremacy

forgiveness:


It seems you don't know much about world history after the destruction of the world during the days of Noah.

The new world began in Asia, not Africa.

Amujale:

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For instance, going through all the contents in thrcvarious flood stories mentioned above, under No condtion did Africa experience those versions.

aribisala0:


You can pronounce sha.

You just wake up for ya house,chop eba, mess, begin talk wetin no happen before dem born anybody wey you know.
Come dey talk like say you dey there as guest artiste

Amujale:


I refer to my study with a keen sight-for-detail African history pre-colonisation.

aribisala0:
Eba overdose

Amujale:


The Noah flood story is a falsity. The are numerous flood stories, i personally know of atleast 25 different other ones. Most are only aware of the ones the Jews saved for them.

Once those type of historical events are put into the proper context, it becomes clear that they shed further light on the climatic conditions that helped lay down the foundation of the continents that later became poplulated outside of Africa.

For instance, going through all the contents in the various flood stories mentioned above, under No condtion did Africa experience those versions.

I am not going to discuss flood stories exclusive to the African continent here; would instead concentrate on further a field.

Hopoi Myth flood stories.

Comox people – Legend of Queneesh

Anishinaabe - Turtle Island flood myth

Inuit, flood myth 

Nisqually - Myth Flood story

Mesoamerican flood myth.

Urcocari flood myth

Unu Pachakuti -Inca flood myth.

Sumerian - Myth flood stories

Gilgamesh - Myth flood stories

Yu the Great

Nuwa

e.t.c



Eskimo (Orowignarak, Alaska) - "A great inundation, together with an earthquake, swept the land so rapidly that only a few people escaped in their skin canoes to the tops of the highest mountains.

The truth is that apart from during the so called "big bang" and the same point in time; and or leading up to "Creation" real history has never ever made record of any instance whatsover, whereby there"s a globsl corroboration to suggest flood consumed the entire globe.

Most of the peoples and places that reported their stories to us, either experienced these AWESOME phenomenon on their own or was exclusivec to their geographical region.

forgiveness:



The words in the Bible were fulfilled, are currently being in fulfillment and will be fulfilled.

sharpwriter:


Then where did the whites come from... How and when did they emerge?

Amujale:


They came about much later, after the "inter-stadio"; after the "Out of Africa" experience.

Two distinct phenomenon occur simultaneously:

(1)Geological phenomena i.e. Ice Age

(2)Biological phenomena i.e African women are granted a unique special ability that allows giving birth to non-African looking offspring.

These two distinct phenomenon are said to have combined to create the environment for the many other recent social groups that eventually morphed out of African ethnicity.

Even Genetics suppprts the idea that most people today can easily trace their common "genetic signature" from African ethnicity.

Asians and Europeans missed out on 50% of world history.

Africans have been in existence since the dawn of time, whilst records put the current stock of Europeans and Asians in existence as of B.C.E. Before the Common Era

Its important to note that most modern day historians prefer to make use of the notation sytems: C.E and B.C.E

Common Era - C.E opposed to Dominic notations AD

"2019 C.E" is the standard universal version refering to both the Gregorian and Julian calendars of "AD 2019"

Before the Common Era - B.C.E opposed to using the notations BC

"400 BCE" is the standard universal version refering to both the Gregorian and Julian calendars of "400 BC".

Born2Breed:


You are confused. Ife never had organization before the arrival of the Benin Prince.

The Ogiso dynasty was over 500yrs before the migration of Ekhaladerhan to Ife and the return of Oranmiyan to Benin. Ife was disorganized until a Benin prince brought sanity to that domain and chased away the ruling class.

Amujale:


Not true, the bible isnt even an historical document.

The "Guiness book of Records" is a historical document.

The bible as a plagerised text, is one of the most dangerous and unhealthiest pieces of literature anywhere in the world today.

Kindly STOP and THINK!

The bible is A FRAUD.

The bible is NOT what it claims to be, in all honesty, the christian bible and all other Abrahamic text are themselves plagerised text from Africas earlier civilisations.

Most people have NOT even bothered to devote enough time to read the entire bible; that which i have at least more than once.

The authors of mostly all Abrahamic religious text are guilty of a huge amount of criminality; they had a total disregard for time, the chronolgy of the Ages and how they are meant to line up in a kind of perfect harmony. Instead they create those fantasy stories.

They made use of plagerised text, sex-up literatute and viscious insinuations meant to basterdize the characters of the original authors. There is not one character, chronology or story in all the Abrahamic text, that can claim to be original.

Most of the stories can simply be described as complexed rankxeros of various ancient civilisations from around the world, especially Africa.

forgiveness:



Is there a country called Isreal? Where was Isreal as at 1940?

How did they disappear from the map after several years and suddenly resurfaced on the map?

Do you have an answer for these questions?

Amujale:


I commend your historical knowledge. Good question.


They didnt disperse from the map, because they didnt exist in the first place.

The authors of the bible made up the storyline so as to better controll the Arabs and their own people at the time.

In my opinion its a gigantic CON game that has its roots in complexed political and sociological strategy between The Arabs and The Europeans as they both battle for world domination.

The State of Isreal is NOT the biblical Israelites. Apart from the fact that the biblical Israelites didnt really exist in accordance to their own records.

That is the reason i wouldnt argue with the point of view that suggest Africans are the people the authors in the bible used to model on the Isrealites.

So the Arabs extreemist and the Eurocentrics have been at logger heads for thousands upon thousands of years; since both their existence.

They use everything at their against disposal, holy wars, crusades, phychological warfare e.t.c

Their manufactured religions are all part of the race to world domination.


Who are the Isrealis?

Israelis are divided into 2 main sects

(a) The Zionist - these are a mixture of difreent European tribes; are the political class, most are not religious, as they only care about security of the realm and politiking.

(b) The Jews - these are mixture of different European tribes that profess and practise Judaism.

Who does the bible claim are Isrealites?

According to the bible, the Jews reside in the Middle East, and the Arabs have always lived there. Therefore, according to the authors of the bible, the Jews are Arabs.

The only time Eurocentrics lived in the Middle East before the eventual artificial creation of Isreal, was as a result of the early Crusades.

Manufactured religions are a CON, all Abrahimic religions fall under that definition.


Eurocentric(s) Are the section of the general public that bought into the European supremacy concept and or ideologies

Amujale:


I commend your historical knowledge. Good question.


They didnt disperse from the map, because they didnt exist in the first place.

The authors of the bible made up the storyline so as to better controll the Arabs and their own people at the time.

In my opinion its a gigantic CON game that has its roots in complexed political and sociological strategy between The Arabs and The Europeans as they both battle for world domination.

The State of Isreal is NOT the biblical Israelites. Apart from the fact that the biblical Israelites didnt really exist in accordance to their own records.

That is the reason i wouldnt argue with the point of view that suggest Africans are the people the authors in the bible used to model on the Isrealites.

So the Arabs extreemist and the Eurocentrics have been at logger heads for thousands upon thousands of years; since both their existence.

They use everything at their against disposal, holy wars, crusades, phychological warfare e.t.c

Their manufactured religions are all part of the race to world domination.


Who are the Isrealis?

Israelis are divided into 2 main sects

(a) The Zionist - these are a mixture of difreent European tribes; are the political class, most are not religious, as they only care about security of the realm and politiking.

(b) The Jews - these are mixture of different European tribes that profess and practise Judaism.

Who does the bible claim are Isrealites?

According to the bible, the Jews reside in the Middle East, and the Arabs have always lived there. Therefore, according to the authors of the bible, the Jews are Arabs.

The only time Eurocentrics lived in the Middle East before the eventual artificial creation of Isreal, was as a result of the early Crusades.

Manufactured religions are a CON, all Abrahimic religions fall under that definition.


Eurocentric(s) Are the section of the general public that bought into the European supremacy concept and or ideologies

forgiveness:


Exactly my point. Why didn't the Ogiso developed Igodomigodo after 500 years?

Igodomigodo was disorganized for 500 year until oranmiyan the grandson( whom Benins claimed was the son) of Oduduwa came and arraigned your system.


Infact, he was rejected because he was counted as a stranger. The reason he left Benin and called it Ilu ibi nu which later metaphor to Ubini and currently Benin.

He dropped his son Owo mi ka now pronounced Eweka to rule Ilu ibinu(Benin) because the Ogiso didnt want a foreigner with a foreign style of leadership to rule them.

Oranmiyan was opposed because he was not the son of the soil according to your account. How can Oduduwa from Benin if the OGISO saw him a FOREIGNER? Bhuhahahaha!

samuk:


So what was the relationship between Ife and Igodomigodo that necessitated Igodomigodo's chiefs to sort for guidance and request a son from Oduduwa to rule over them. Where but people strangers to each others? What language did they used, did they understand each others languages or was it a sign language that was used to make the request?

How many people do you know in history after developing a dynasty for over 500 years and then go to a foreign land with less dynastic history and accomplished and request for a foreign ruler. What was Ife's accomplished as of that time that will make Igodomigodo to seek a ruler from there. Ife was neither a Kingdom, an empire or had a supreme military for protection, so why will Igodomigodo abandon their own Ogiamen and seek Ife king?

Amongst other accomplishments of Igodomigodo/Benin is a Guinness world record of the largest man made structure on the planet, "the Benin moat/wall". 4 times the size of the great China wall. The Benin achieved this more than 600 years ago without the help of mechanical diggers.

rhektor:


Ifè is not a kingdom, yet how did the Bini get to know of its existence?

forgiveness:




If Isreal never existed how come it came into existence from nowhere?


You have not answered my questions.

aribisala0:


This thread is about Yorubas not a platform for self indulgence