Islam Is All About Mohamed

Islam always talk with both sides of the mouth. Islam talks about ‘Shirk’ – the sin of associating partners with Allah. BUT in the same Islam Mohamed has been elevated to the position of partner with Allah. Mohamed comes SIDE BY SIDE with Allah all though Islam. No one can be a Moslem by calling on Allah ALONE. No one can live right as a Moslem unless he follows the example of Mohamed even though some laxity and things Mohamed was allowed CANNOT be done by any other Moslem. Even the name MOHAMED and one of his other names AHMAD show that he is to be revered, placing him in the same level as Allah.

The following portions of the Koran show that Allah never had any mind of his own apart from his link with Mohamed.

So, even though Islam will say it is forbidden to associate partners with Allah it has actually deified Mohamed and by so doing gone into what it claims it has prohibited.

“He who obeys the messenger obeys Allah” – Q 4:85

“If anyone opposes or contradicts the messenger we shall burn him in hell” – Q 4:115

“The only saying of the faithful believers is that they say ‘We hear and we obey’” – Q 24:51

“It is not for a believer when Allah AND HIS MESSENGER have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision” – Q 33:36

“And know that whatever booty you may capture, A FIFTH of it belongs to Allah and the messenger” Q8:41

“We have made lawful for you (Mohamed) your wives AND THOSE FEMALE SLAVES whom Allah has given to you as war booty” Q 33:50

“… and ANY believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet. A privilege for the Prophet ONLY, not for the rest of the believers” Q33:50

“They ask you O Mohamed about the spoils of war, say, ‘The spoils are for Allah and the messenger” Q 8:1

“Enter not the Prophet’s houses, unless permission is given to you for a meal. If you are invited, enter, and when you have taken your meal, disperse without sitting for a talk. Such behaviour ANNOYS THE PROPHET” Q33:53

“Whoever thinks that Allah will not help Mohamed let him stretch out a rope to the ceiling and let him strangle himself” Q 22:15

Funny. Change Islam to Christianity in above and one could claim it not only associates partners with Yahweh but goes so far to replace Yahweh with Jesus and the Holy Spirit! Except Christians will argue three is in one unlike Islam that sticks to God being jealous and only has a prophet.

budaatum:
Funny. Change Islam to Christianity in above and one could claim it not only associates partners with Yahweh but goes so far to replace Yahweh with Jesus and the Holy Spirit! Except Christians will argue three is in one unlike Islam that sticks to God being jealous and only has a prophet.

The issue is that Islam says no one should associate partners with Allah YET in reality Mohamed and Allah are almost indistinguishable in Islam.

sagenaija:

The issue is that Islam says no one should associate partners with Allah YET in reality Mohamed and Allah are almost indistinguishable in Islam.

What is associating partners with Allah in Islam.?

iamgenius:

What is associating partners with Allah in Islam.?

It means regarding someone as the partner of another. So, the belief that there is someone else who must be obeyed ABSOLUTELY besides Allah falls into this. Associating others with Allah in love and veneration, by loving a created being as loving Allah equally falls into reckoning here. Mohamed is so venerated.

Moslems have violated their own concept of Islamic monotheism by grouping both Allah and Mohamed together denoting partnership, thereby making Mohamed Allah’s equal.

The TYPICAL example is the shahada where no one can become a Moslem on the basis of believing in Allah ALONE. He must ALSO BELIEVE in Mohamed. He does not even add other prophets to the equation in saying the shahada.

Look at this too:
"And obey Allah AND the Messenger, that you may be shown mercy." Q. 3:132

sagenaija:

The issue is that Islam says no one should associate partners with Allah YET in reality Mohamed and Allah are almost indistinguishable in Islam.

That's your issue, but your claim is untrue! Calling Mohammed a Prophet of God is not "associating partners" with God! Compare that with Christianity however, a doctrine that does not distinguish between God and Jesus at all despite God stating how jealous he is.

The truth is that Mohammed is very distinguishable in Islam while Jesus has become synonymous with God in Christianity!

My dear friend,
Honestly you do not deserves a response.
But just to correct your wrong insinuation about ISLAM: THE ONLY MESSAGE IN BOTH RELIGIONS OF XSTIANITY& ISLAM IS MONOTHEISM.
The article of faith that makes one a muslim is: THERE IS NO ANY OTHER GOD EXCEPT ALLAH (GOD) AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER.
So how does a messenger on the same level with his creator.
Pls kindly do something better with your time. I wish you peace.

sagenaija:

It means regarding someone as the partner of another. So, the belief that there is someone else who must be obeyed ABSOLUTELY besides Allah falls into this. Associating others with Allah in love and veneration, by loving a created being as loving Allah equally falls into reckoning here. Mohamed is so venerated.

Moslems have violated their own concept of Islamic monotheism by grouping both Allah and Mohamed together denoting partnership, thereby making Mohamed Allah’s equal.

The TYPICAL example is the shahada where no one can become a Moslem on the basis of believing in Allah ALONE. He must ALSO BELIEVE in Mohamed. He does not even add other prophets to the equation in saying the shahada.

Look at this too:
"And obey Allah AND the Messenger, that you may be shown mercy." Q. 3:132

budaatum:

That's your issue, but your claim is untrue! Calling Mohammed a Prophet of God is not "associating partners" with God! Compare that with Christianity however, a doctrine that does not distinguish between God and Jesus at all despite God stating how jealous he is.

The truth is that Mohammed is very distinguishable in Islam while Jesus has become synonymous with God in Christianity!

You have not shown how my claim is untrue!

It is not just the issue of calling Mohamed a prophet of Allah. That is not the issue!

The issue is linking Mohamed with Allah. If Mohamed is always involved what does that tell you? If you must always MENTION Mohamed in your prayers what does that tell you?

Let’s make it simple: answer this – Can anyone become a Moslem by believing in Allah ALONE?

omorkelly:
My dear friend,
Honestly you do not deserves a response.
But just to correct your wrong insinuation about ISLAM: THE ONLY MESSAGE IN BOTH RELIGIONS OF XSTIANITY& ISLAM IS MONOTHEISM.
The article of faith that makes one a muslim is: THERE IS NO ANY OTHER GOD EXCEPT ALLAH (GOD) AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER.
So how does a messenger on the same level with his creator.
Pls kindly do something better with your time. I wish you peace.

You have not shown how my claim is untrue!

It is not just the issue of calling Mohamed a prophet of Allah. That is not the issue!

The issue is linking Mohamed with Allah. If Mohamed is always involved what does that tell you? If you must always MENTION Mohamed in your prayers what does that tell you?

Let’s make it simple: answer this – Can anyone become a Moslem by believing in Allah ALONE?

It's a technical change of roles:
It seems that in truth Mohammed is the God while Allah is his mesanger. But for Taqiyya to be fully implemented, it has to be like Mohammed is the servant of Allah.

That's why Allah is always reacting and accepting Mohammeds errors and excesses!

sagenaija:

You have not shown how my claim is untrue!

It is not just the issue of calling Mohamed a prophet of Allah. That is not the issue!

The issue is linking Mohamed with Allah. If Mohamed is always involved what does that tell you? If you must always MENTION Mohamed in your prayers what does that tell you?

Let’s make it simple: answer this – Can anyone become a Moslem by believing in Allah ALONE?

I am not attempting to show you your claim is untrue since you keep switching your claims! I am merely asking you to consider your claim which is not true at all!

So, let's indeed make it simple. Consider Christianity that does not only associate Jesus with God but goes even further by claiming they are one and the same God. Can anyone be a Christian without believing that Jesus is God? Which is more guilty of the claim you are making here?

omorkelly:
My dear friend,
Honestly you do not deserves a response.
But just to correct your wrong insinuation about ISLAM: THE ONLY MESSAGE IN BOTH RELIGIONS OF XSTIANITY& ISLAM IS MONOTHEISM.
The article of faith that makes one a muslim is: THERE IS NO ANY OTHER GOD EXCEPT ALLAH (GOD) AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER.
So how does a messenger on the same level with his creator.
Pls kindly do something better with your time. I wish you peace.

He definitely does not deserve a response, but respond we must when false claims are made and before those who relish in this sort of rubbish turn up. For they surely will turn up. Then we can depart and leave them with their stupidity and ignorance.

budaatum:

I am not attempting to show you your claim is untrue since you keep switching your claims! I am merely asking you to consider your claim which is not true at all!

So, let's indeed make it simple. Consider Christianity that does not only associate Jesus with God but goes even further by claiming they are one and the same God. Can anyone be a Christian without believing that Jesus is God? Which is more guilty of the claim you are making here?

Sometimes you guys behave as if you are 3-year olds.

The issue is this: Islam makes a CLAIM about itself which it turns round to CONTRADICT. Is my claim true or not? Turning round to tie it to Christianity is like saying 'If you are wrong and they are wrong then it is ok and you have no right to say they are wrong'. Islam does not believe Mohamed is Allah. When he is now so venerated and placed on the same level with Allah that show there is a problem somewhere.

sagenaija:

It means regarding someone as the partner of another. So, the belief that there is someone else who must be obeyed ABSOLUTELY besides Allah falls into this. Associating others with Allah in love and veneration, by loving a created being as loving Allah equally falls into reckoning here. Mohamed is so venerated.

Firstly, your definition is not complete. You probably single out the partnership in Love and Veneration alone, and associating partners with Allah is more than that. Then you mentioned loving Allah EQUALLY as Allah, note the word you used EQUALLY how do we love the Prophet (peace be upon him) as much as we love Allah. You're shooting yourself in the leg bro.

Moslems have violated their own concept of Islamic monotheism by grouping both Allah and Mohamed together denoting partnership, thereby making Mohamed Allah’s equal.

The TYPICAL example is the shahada where no one can become a Moslem on the basis of believing in Allah ALONE. He must ALSO BELIEVE in Mohamed. He does not even add other prophets to the equation in saying the shahada.

Look at this too:
"And obey Allah AND the Messenger, that you may be shown mercy." Q. 3:132

The Shahada is the example you can bring up. You just failed woefully bro. The Shahada is just the summary of 7 things, which consists of other prophets too. Where the believe in all the messengers is one of it. Believing in Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) alone doesn't make you a believer in Allah. So you must believe in every other prophets sent by Allah. The same also applies to believing in the books given to the Messengers, the Quran is a summary of all other books. So Prophet Muhammad is too. If a Muslim only believe in the Quran as the only word of God and doesn't believe in the books given to other prophets, then the person is not a Muslim.

So you can't expect a new Muslim to be saying the Shahada thus: "I bear witness that no one is worthy of worship except Allah, and I bear witness that Adam, Noah, Enoch, Joseph, Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, John, David(peace be upon all of them) etc are the prophets of Allah. Does that make sense to you? Someone would just have to mention thousands of Prophets because he wants to become a Muslim? That's weird and stressful.

OK, now let me ask you how do you think the Shahada should be like?

sagenaija:

Sometimes you guys behave as if you are 3-year olds.

The issue is this: Islam makes a CLAIM about itself which it turns round to CONTRADICT. Is my claim true or not? Turning round to tie it to Christianity is like saying 'If you are wrong and they are wrong then it is ok and you have no right to say they are wrong'. Islam does not believe Mohamed is Allah. When he is now so venerated and placed on the same level with Allah that show there is a problem somewhere.

Islam does not make the claim you are making 2 year old!

budaatum:

Islam does not make the claim you are making 2 year old!

You're running away from addressing the issue.

Can anyone become a Moslem by believing in Allah ALONE?

A straightforward answer please!

iamgenius:

Firstly, your definition is not complete. You probably single out the partnership in Love and Veneration alone, and associating partners with Allah is more than that. Then you mentioned loving Allah EQUALLY as Allah, note the word you used EQUALLY how do we love the Prophet (peace be upon him) as much as we love Allah. You're shooting yourself in the leg bro.
The Shahada is the example you can bring up. You just failed woefully bro. The Shahada is just the summary of 7 things, which consists of other prophets too. Where the believe in all the messengers is one of it. Believing in Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) alone doesn't make you a believer in Allah. So you must believe in every other prophets sent by Allah. The same also applies to believing in the books given to the Messengers, the Quran is a summary of all other books. So Prophet Muhammad is too. If a Muslim only believe in the Quran as the only word of God and doesn't believe in the books given to other prophets, then the person is not a Muslim.

So you can't expect a new Muslim to be saying the Shahada thus: "I bear witness that no one is worthy of worship except Allah, and I bear witness that Adam, Noah, Enoch, Joseph, Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, John, David(peace be upon all of them) etc are the prophets of Allah. Does that make sense to you? Someone would just have to mention thousands of Prophets because he wants to become a Muslim? That's weird and stressful.

OK, now let me ask you how do you think the Shahada should be like?

Focus on the issue. The shahada was an EXAMPLE.

Islam claims it is monotheistic. YET the shahada and the other passages I gave (with still much more in your books) put Mohamed SIDE BY SIDE with Allah. No other prophet is so equated.

So, Islam is not all about Allah ALONE. Islam is not just about Allah. Islam at best puts Mohamed at par with Allah.

Where then is the monotheism claim?

sagenaija:

You're running away from addressing the issue.

Can anyone become a Moslem by believing in Allah ALONE?

A straightforward answer please!

A Moslem is a follower of Islam, an Abrahamic monotheistic religion teaching that there is only one God, and that Muhammad is the messenger of God.

The above does not mean you must believe in Muhammed, but in his teachings.

sagenaija:

Islam at best puts Mohamed at par with Allah.

I just wonder why you insist on this when it is in no way true. Is a messenger of God on par with God?

budaatum:

A Moslem is a follower of Islam, an Abrahamic monotheistic religion teaching that there is only one God, and that Muhammad is the messenger of God.

The above does not mean you must believe in Muhammed, but in his teachings.

I take it then that you're not able to give a straightforward answer to my question.

sagenaija:

Focus on the issue. The shahada was an EXAMPLE.

Islam claims it is monotheistic. YET the shahada and the other passages I gave (with still much more in your books) put Mohamed SIDE BY SIDE with Allah. No other prophet is so equated.

So, Islam is not all about Allah ALONE. Islam is not just about Allah. Islam at best puts Mohamed at par with Allah.

Where then is the monotheism claim?

It's like you have difficulty in reading and understanding things. You're still a kid in this. You ignored my reply.

sagenaija:

I take it then that you're not able to give a straightforward answer to my question.

Your question is invalid because the premise behind it is false.

OP is saying: he believes in God only and disbelieves in Jesus, Abraham and other previous prophets!!!
If that's op position, then he is not different from the idol worshippers as they agreed thier idols are intermediary between them and the creator of all.

budaatum:

Your question is invalid because the premise behind it is false.

OK,I'm a christian but I don't believe in jesus or I'm a Jew but I don't believe in Moses or think they should be obeyed...sounds legit

omorkelly:
OP is saying: he believes in God only and disbelieves in Jesus, Abraham and other previous prophets!!!
If that's op position, then he is not different from the idol worshippers as they agreed thier idols are intermediary between them and the creator of all.

Anyone can believe whatever they want really, I just have issues when the beliefs of others are misrepresented especially if it's done by Christians who are supposed to believe they are blessed for being peacemakers.

Op, why didn't you post this in the Muslim section by the way?