Maximus69:
This is the proof that you aren't seeing any difference in all the religions claiming Christians on earth today!
The GB ASSUMED they were chosen in 1919, their ASSUMPTION was dicey as some of their ASSUMED prophecies failed, many of their followers broke away to form their own groups, they died and new intake superseded the former BODY. Hmmm, all these could sound as strong proof that they weren't chosen in the first place, right?
OK let's look at it from the other side,
¤ Jesus ACTUALLY foretold a time when the FAITHFUL and DISCRETE SLAVE will suffice [though we can't say specifically WHEN that will be]
¤ Jesus added that this SLAVE will feed his people at the APPOINTED time [still that time wasn't stipulated]
¤ Jesus said DARKNESS will cover the whole earth in a spiritual sense [still time not mentioned]
¤ Jesus said his followers will be IDENTIFIED by all observers[certainly this must include those practicing other religions even false christians] as love will continue to permeate the group.
¤ Jesus said his followers will be known for their timeless preaching and teaching program everywhere.
¤ Jesus stopped his followers from using physical weapons for any reason whatsoever because the most important soul to protect is Jesus yet he rebuked Peter who wanted to do so.
¤ Jesus discouraged a politician telling him to forsake all what he is enjoying in politics and join him in the preaching and teaching work.
Well the so called ASSUMED FAITHFUL and DISCRETE SLAVE of the JWs have succeeded in putting all of these into action throughout the earth, they're not just making use of only their American blood families alone but people from all the tribes of the earth voluntarily joining the group to further this WORK!
Hmmm, Certainly the GB of Jehovah's Witnesses must have been divinely CHOSEN at some point in time to achieve all of these! The timing of their been chosen might remain UNKNOWN but there is enough evidence to prove that those 20th century Americans were appointed by a supreme powerful intelligent unseen spirit being!

Hmmmmmmmmm Maximus!
From inside Islam i perceived all of these and i became troubled because my conscience will not permit me to rest until i get to the root of all these. It goes on and on, and today i am happy to say "i am one of Jehovah's Witnesses"
One of our Imams actually tried to discourage me with all the mistakes and failed prophecies of the JWs, but thank God two questions came to my mind that rendered him speechless!
(1) "must we kill unbelievers out of fear or defence, since we're sure of our own destination in heaven?"
(2) "if we're sure that the unbeliever will be punished in hell for attacking us, why can't we preserve his soul by making the sacrifice perhaps he will change one day and start longing to apologies when we finally meet in heaven?"
I read about the darkness too my brother and i thought Joel was referring to a time when there will be no more signals from the divine so that all true worshipers must stick to what was written! Joel 2:31-32
Now, with this your write~up i'm sure i got it right!
Jehovah is saying there will be confusion to the extent that even true worshipers will feel worthless if they don't stand firm in what they had been thought!
That means even those taking the lead in God's organization will need courage as they will NOT be able to SEE everything so brightly, which can also trigger some rebellious ones to start agitating against their leadership! Hebrew 13:7
No wonder Joel prophesied that ONLY those who seek MEEKNESS and RIGHTEOUSNESS can be saved, and i will NEVER forget the word "PROBABLY"! Joel 2:2-3
Thanks Maximus!

Maximus69:
Now he knows one can develop personal grudge against the global family of JWs but he's got no guts to pull away efficient and dedicated Bible students!

You've born a thorough witness before him my brother, Jesus never said "all eyes will SEE what his faithful followers perceives". Matthew 13:10-17
Many serious minded persons kept shining their eyes, yet they ended up seeing nothing special. So how would you expect someone whose spiritual lenses perhaps is ROTTEN due to his inner ROTTENESS see what sincere individuals with eyes of faith are SEEING Isaiah 6:9-10
Abeg leave Mr ROTTEN alone!

TATIME:

You've born a thorough witness before him my brother, Jesus never said "all eyes will SEE what his faithful followers perceives". Matthew 13:10-17
Many serious minded persons kept shining their eyes, yet they ended up seeing nothing special. So how would you expect someone whose spiritual lenses perhaps is ROTTEN due to his inner ROTTENESS see what sincere individuals with eyes of faith are SEEING Isaiah 6:9-10
Abeg leave Mr ROTTEN alone!

Hmmm, You've got a point there Sir!

Maximus69:
This is the proof that you aren't seeing any difference in all the religions claiming Christians on earth today!
The GB ASSUMED they were chosen in 1919, their ASSUMPTION was dicey as some of their ASSUMED prophecies failed, many of their followers broke away to form their own groups, they died and new intake superseded the former BODY. Hmmm, all these could sound as strong proof that they weren't chosen in the first place, right?
OK let's look at it from the other side,
¤ Jesus ACTUALLY foretold a time when the FAITHFUL and DISCRETE SLAVE will suffice [though we can't say specifically WHEN that will be]
¤ Jesus added that this SLAVE will feed his people at the APPOINTED time [still that time wasn't stipulated]
¤ Jesus said DARKNESS will cover the whole earth in a spiritual sense [still time not mentioned]
¤ Jesus said his followers will be IDENTIFIED by all observers[certainly this must include those practicing other religions even false christians] as love will continue to permeate the group.
¤ Jesus said his followers will be known for their timeless preaching and teaching program everywhere.
¤ Jesus stopped his followers from using physical weapons for any reason whatsoever because the most important soul to protect is Jesus yet he rebuked Peter who wanted to do so.
¤ Jesus discouraged a politician telling him to forsake all what he is enjoying in politics and join him in the preaching and teaching work.
Well the so called ASSUMED FAITHFUL and DISCRETE SLAVE of the JWs have succeeded in putting all of these into action throughout the earth, they're not just making use of only their American blood families alone but people from all the tribes of the earth voluntarily joining the group to further this WORK!
Hmmm, Certainly the GB of Jehovah's Witnesses must have been divinely CHOSEN at some point in time to achieve all of these! The timing of their been chosen might remain UNKNOWN but there is enough evidence to prove that those 20th century Americans were appointed by a supreme powerful intelligent unseen spirit being!

All these things you have listed are the specific ways watchtower interprets the part of the Bible they have interest to fit with whatever is their doctrine or the way they are structured.

Anything the watchtower is doing today or not doing, they have a unique way of interpreting the Bible to fit into it. That's why, not matter whatever, the Bible has to be interpreted to fit that claim that the watchtower organization is "God's organization's".

Maximus69:
The Majority often think they're worshiping the same God!
If you check throughout the Bible, you'll notice that all the strife between true worshipers and false worshipers degenerated from one single controversy 'Same God or different Gods'.
While true worshipers always claim they're not worshiping the same God with those who ignores certain rules, standards and principles, false worshipers on the other hand always practice their sacred acts in common as they agree that they're worshiping the same God but in different ways[despite countless contradictions within them]
You yourself have confirmed that all the other religious groups CLAIMING Christians are doing the same thing and their is nothing special about the JWs!
In a nutshell you haven't seen any difference or uniqueness in the worship of JWs that makes it special amidst all other religious groups! That was exactly what ancient worshipers of God refutes from time to time, they will never agree that you're worshiping the same God with them {if you will not agree to all the tenets guiding adherents}
So if just 8,000,000 out of the earth's inhabitants of about 9,000,000,000 are seeing things differently and zealously, industriously and timelessly proclaiming it throughout the earth, well honesthearted and intelligent individuals will take their time to verify such claims. Don't forget that the ratio is about 1-1000!
Sincere Bible students will not just ignore such claims as pointless with all the evidences presented by the JWs!

Comparing the ancient nation of Israel with the world around them, the ratio could be as you have listed 1:1000. However, it was still the ancient nation of Israel that repeated forgot God's covenant, not obeying it, worshiping idols, looking for different mediator other than the terms and conditions of the old covenant God gave them.

What was the result? Each time the leaders of the nation went astray, the majority followed. Each time the kings turn away from God, the priest supports them and so the majority of millions of Israel lost God's favor.

Its no different from Jehovah's Witnesses. Each time the leaders, their governing body turn away from divine teachings, 8 million Jws bow before Satan. Just like their ancient counterpart of Israel, who rejected Jehovah's covenant, the governing body of Jehovah’s Witnesses have done something similar, but much worse. Unlike their apostate counterpart in ancient Israel only disobeyed the terms of the ancient covenant, their present day counterpart simply deny the very mediator of Jesus Christ from millions of its members. They have also rejected the very covenant that was designed to take away the sins of mankind through the very blood of Jesus.

When Jesus said his disciples must be born again, they say it's only reserve for the elite. When the Bible says Jesus takes away the sin of mankind, they said no, for the remaining 8m followers, it's gonna be after you have suffered and remain faithful, then do the same for another 1000 years before you are deemed worthy of your sins being forgiven.

On idolatry, they have on many occasions cause JWs to bow before the throne of Satan himself. On example is the mighty temple in Denmark called Assembly Hall. Another name is the eyes of Horus assembly hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/9333680_eyeofhorus814x6102x_jpeg7c931329ee73f6811939ff596fc367a5

At other times, the GB of JWs have had good reasons to get satanic symphony to entertain their members.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6gRFsVPfyw

rottennaija:


Comparing the ancient nation of Israel with the world around them, the ratio could be as you have listed 1:1000. However, it was still the ancient nation of Israel that repeated forgot God's covenant, not obeying it, worshiping idols, looking for different mediator other than the terms and conditions of the old covenant God gave them.

What was the result? Each time the leaders of the nation went astray, the majority followed. Each time the kings turn away from God, the priest supports them and so the majority of millions of Israel lost God's favor.

Its no different from Jehovah's Witnesses. Each time the leaders, their governing body turn away from divine teachings, 8 million Jws bow before Satan. Just like their ancient counterpart of Israel, who rejected Jehovah's covenant, the governing body of Jehovah’s Witnesses have done something similar, but much worse. Unlike their apostate counterpart in ancient Israel only disobeyed the terms of the ancient covenant, their present day counterpart simply deny the very mediator of Jesus Christ from millions of its members. They have also rejected the very covenant that was designed to take away the sins of mankind through the very blood of Jesus.

When Jesus said his disciples must be born again, they say it's only reserve for the elite. When the Bible says Jesus takes away the sin of mankind, they said no, for the remaining 8m followers, it's gonna be after you have suffered and remain faithful, then do the same for another 1000 years before you are deemed worthy of your sins being forgiven.

On idolatry, they have on many occasions cause JWs to bow before the throne of Satan himself. On example is the mighty temple in Denmark called Assembly Hall. Another name is the eyes of Horus assembly hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/9333680_eyeofhorus814x6102x_jpeg7c931329ee73f6811939ff596fc367a5

At other times, the GB of JWs have had good reasons to get satanic symphony to entertain their members.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6gRFsVPfyw

Hmmm,
So after all effort to tarnish the image of the organization failed, you're now putting up all forms of cheap blackmails and false stories just to support your actions of leaving the organization! Matthew 26:59-61
Tatime is 100% correct! Your figurative heart is rotten so all what is coming out of you is rottenness. Luke 6:45
Well, nobody is forcing you to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you're free to join any religious group of your choice. Just know that our own God ONLY speaks to his worshipers through the GB of Jehovah's Witnesses!

I just pray that his Pa and Ma have the heart to bear the loss, he's totally gone!
Imagine comparing Jehovah's organization with the unfaithful nation of Israel who failed to bear the fruit expected of a faithful nation!
Even a toddler could sense that there is unimaginable difference between the ancient Israelites who couldn't even make a good name for their God despite all his powerful works on them and modern day spiritual Israelites [Jehovah's Witnesses] who are known globally for their outstanding courage and unwavering faith!

Maximus69:
Hmmm,
So after all effort to tarnish the image of the organization failed, you're now putting up all forms of cheap blackmails and false stories just to support your actions of leaving the organization! Matthew 26:59-61
Tatime is 100% correct! Your figurative heart is rotten so all what is coming out of you is rottenness. Luke 6:45
Well, nobody is forcing you to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you're free to join any religious group of your choice. Just know that our own God ONLY speaks to his worshipers through the GB of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Maximus69:
Hmmm,
So after all effort to tarnish the image of the organization failed, you're now putting up all forms of cheap blackmails and false stories just to support your actions of leaving the organization! Matthew 26:59-61
Tatime is 100% correct! Your figurative heart is rotten so all what is coming out of you is rottenness. Luke 6:45
Well, nobody is forcing you to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you're free to join any religious group of your choice. Just know that our own God ONLY speaks to his worshipers through the GB of Jehovah's Witnesses!

What is cheap blackmail? Is the eyes of horus assembly hall not designed and built by watchtower? The epics soundtrack, was it not sanctioned by the so-called Christ brother?


You cannot be partaking of the table of Jehovah and the table of demon. 1 Co 10:21

TATIME:

I just pray that his Pa and Ma have the heart to bear the loss, he's totally gone!
Imagine comparing Jehovah's organization with the unfaithful nation of Israel who failed to bear the fruit expected of a faithful nation!
Even a toddler could sense that there is unimaginable difference between the ancient Israelites who couldn't even make a good name for their God despite all his powerful works on them and modern day spiritual Israelites [Jehovah's Witnesses] who are known globally for their outstanding courage and unwavering faith!

Comparing both is what perfectly illustrate the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

rottennaija:


I expected nothing less from you. Someday, you will understand. Someday.

Hmmm, understand that Jehovah will abandon the GB of JWs who have used the power of his word to gather over 8,000,000 FAITHFUL
Souls from divers national groups globally
Taught them to stop using physical weapons
Made them forgo fame and materialism
Made them forgo political ambitions
Made them forgo nationalistic ego
Made them stick to their marriages
Made them submissive to all of existing authorities
Zealous and industrious preachers and teachers
Made a happy global family out of racist nations
Well you can keep dreaming that Jehovah will CHANGE from supporting those who are DOING his will simply because they made mistakes, and appoint fugitives like you to reorganise his people!
But until then, i stand with the GB of Jehovah's Witnesses. You can say we've made them our own Christ or even say we're worshiping them,there is no problem after all it is Jehovah that's coming to judge!

Maximus69:
Hmmm, understand that Jehovah will abandon the GB of JWs who have used the power of his word to gather over 8,000,000 FAITHFUL
Souls from divers national groups globally
Taught them to stop using physical weapons
Made them forgo fame and materialism
Made them forgo political ambitions
Made them forgo nationalistic ego
Made them stick to their marriages
Made them submissive to all of existing authorities
Zealous and industrious preachers and teachers
Made a happy global family out of racist nations
Well you can keep dreaming that Jehovah will CHANGE from supporting those who are DOING his will simply because they made mistakes, and appoint fugitives like you to reorganise his people!
But until then, i stand with the GB of Jehovah's Witnesses. You can say we've made them our own Christ or even say we're worshiping them,there is no problem after all it is Jehovah that's coming to judge!

How do you think cult gather members and why do members not abandon their leaders? Why do you think the Israelite didn't abandon their religious leaders when they started worshiping idols?

It's the same situation here. Catholic members don't abandon their popes and priest despite all the things done there. Same with members of other religion. It's simply the way it is.

Maximus69:
Hmmm, understand that Jehovah will abandon the GB of JWs who have used the power of his word to gather over 8,000,000 FAITHFUL
Souls from divers national groups globally
Taught them to stop using physical weapons
Made them forgo fame and materialism
Made them forgo political ambitions
Made them forgo nationalistic ego
Made them stick to their marriages
Made them submissive to all of existing authorities
Zealous and industrious preachers and teachers
Made a happy global family out of racist nations
Well you can keep dreaming that Jehovah will CHANGE from supporting those who are DOING his will simply because they made mistakes, and appoint fugitives like you to reorganise his people!
But until then, i stand with the GB of Jehovah's Witnesses. You can say we've made them our own Christ or even say we're worshiping them,there is no problem after all it is Jehovah that's coming to judge!

You know sometimes Satan expected everyone to be stupid simply because some were stupid in the past!
After all effort to tarnish the image of the world's most reputable group with different methods ranging from false accusations to false stories and blackmailing. Mr Rotten now says "Someday you will understand" Abeg understand what
Well thank you for that knockout response!

rottennaija:


How do you think cult gather members and why do members not abandon their leaders? Why do you think the Israelite didn't abandon their religious leaders when they started worshiping idols?

It's the same situation here. Catholic members don't abandon their popes and priest despite all the things done there. Same with members of other religion. It's simply the way it is.

YES! Jesus was also labelled a cultist and of course there must be cultists before Jesus was called the head of cultists. And so let JWs be the modern day cultists that i Maximus will die for! Matthew 10:25,12:24-27
So you're still very much on track Sir, keep it up you're making REAL progress!
OK now, you ended the last post with a part of Tupac's tracks 'it's the way it is'

Maximus69:
YES! Jesus was also labelled a cultist and of course there must be cultists before Jesus was called the head of cultists. And so let JWs be the modern day cultists that i Maximus will die for! Matthew 10:25,12:24-27
So you're still very much on track Sir, keep it up you're making REAL progress!
OK now, you ended the last post with a part of Tupac's tracks 'it's the way it is'

I don't think I know Tupac Songs, I don't listen to it. Well, I simply know it's the way of the world. The way things are.

TATIME:
You know sometimes Satan expected everyone to be stupid simply because some were stupid in the past!
After all effort to tarnish the image of the world's most reputable group with different methods ranging from false accusations to false stories and blackmailing. Mr Rotten now says "Someday you will understand" Abeg understand what
Well thank you for that knockout response!

Why are you not talking to me directly? Anyway, someday, he will understand. Same with you.

rottennaija:


Why are you not talking to me directly? Anyway, someday, he will understand. Same with you.

false jw Tatime is hiding behind false jw max, even though he-tatime has outstanding courage

TATIME:


[Jehovah's Witnesses] who are known globally for their outstanding courage and unwavering faith!

ha ha ha they keep trying to convince themselves of all their lies

achorladey:



CAPTIVATOR: So far you agree Jesus returned to heaven,

Achorladey: Yes

CAPTIVATOR: and he will reign on the earth for 1000years

Achorladey: Yes

CAPTIVATOR: from heaven,

Achorladey: Now look at your statement when you state ON THE EARTH did you see FROM HEAVEN in the scripture cited?

And when the scripture states on the EARTH, as it seems you don't want to accept it can be RIGHT here ON THE EARTH.

CAPTIVATOR: those reigning with him will be where he is.

Achorladey: And where will that be? Heaven?

CAPTIVATOR: Emphasis on " reign with him "

Achorladey: Indeed they are to REIGN with CHRIST.

CAPTIVATOR: 2Corinthians 5:8..
"But we are of good courage and would prefer to be absent from the body and to make our home with the Lord

Does this answer the meaning of the word TENT, TABERNACLE and EARTHLY HOUSE as it applies to 2 Corinthians 5:1 and 2 Peter 1: 13,14

CAPTIVATOR: Says Paul who looked forward to the early ressurection or first ressurection from the dead for King and Priest in the new covenant [Rev 20:6, Philippians 3:11]

Achorladey: Eh en,

Jozzy4: This Is why Jozzy said those on earth are " Subjects" reigned on by Jesus and other kings and priest from their heavenly dwelling.

Achorladey: I have repeatedly cited this scripture, will do so again

Revelation 5:10 You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will REIGN ON THE EARTH."

You are the one introducing HEAVENLY DWELLING. Did Revelation 20:6 state HEAVENLY DWELLING? Did you see HEAVENLY DWELLING in Phillipians 3:11 after the word "resurrection" there?

" they will rule over the earth.” CJB

"they shall reign over the earth." Darby

Just some two of the many translation that rendered it properly .

This was why I asked the other time, If you have a contrary opinion, from where will Christ Reign On earth ?

U are easily forgetting Christ also reign on/over earth , and this ones reign with him . . " that where I am, you also may be " John 14:3

From where ?

This is a perfect analysis,

rottennaija:

I don't think I know Tupac Songs, I don't listen to it. Well, I simply know it's the way of the world. The way things are.

Well he was my favourite in the 90s!
Your analysis is WRONG Sir. Because when Israelites were worshiping the Idols in those days, they were worshiping exactly the same deities other nations back then worshiped! Numbers 25:3, Psalms 106:28
Today the whole world know Jehovah's Witnesses as worshipers of a TOTALLY strange God from all that they knew! Even all what they believe totally differs from the beliefs of JWs.
So you are committing a serious blunder!

Maximus69:
Well he was my favourite in the 90s!
Your analysis is WRONG Sir. Because when Israelites were worshiping the Idols in those days, they were worshiping exactly the same deities other nations back then worshiped! Numbers 25:3, Psalms 106:28
Today the whole world know Jehovah's Witnesses as worshipers of a TOTALLY strange God from all that they knew! Even all what they believe totally differs from the beliefs of JWs.
So you are committing a serious blunder!

Can you list the different forms of idolatry?

rottennaija:


Can you list the different forms of idolatry?

The people worshiped EXACTLY what other surrounding nations worshiped! Jeremiah 7:31
But Jehovah's Witnesses today only worship according to the instructions from the GB,which has nothing like what is obtainable elsewhere Sir. That is why all other religious groups are against Jehovah's Witnesses!
Idolatry has just one form Sir 'form of worship that is common everywhere,people from all parts of the earth can easily relate with it because something of that nature must have been in their own culture' John 15:19 but when it is not common then there is some kind of uniqueness!

CAPTIVATOR:


" they will rule over the earth.” CJB

"they shall reign over the earth." Darby

Just some two of the many translation that rendered it properly .

This was why I asked the other time, If you have a contrary opinion, from where will Christ Reign On earth ?

U are easily forgetting Christ also reign on/over earth , and this ones reign with him . . " that where I am, you also may be " John 14:3

From where ?

CAPTIVATOR: they will rule over the earth.” CJB

"they shall reign over the earth." Darby

Just some two of the many translation that RENDERED IT PROPERLY.

Achorladey: How did you know THEY RENDERED IT PROPERLY?

Did you see the ORIGINAL ONE penned down by Apostle JOHN HIMSELF?

Did Apostle John Tell you face to face the actual meaning of the word he used there in ENGLISH means OVER instead of ON?

What about other numerous translation that used ON?


CAPTIVATOR: This was why I asked the other time, If you have a contrary opinion, from where will Christ Reign On earth?

Achorladey: You should by now have seen my response on that. The discussion didn't contain "FROM" you introduced it yourself. It was centered on "ON THE EARTH".

Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

CAPTIVATOR: U are easily forgetting Christ also reign on/over earth, and this ones reign with him...that where I am, you also may be " John 14:3

Achorladey: Oga CAPTIVATOR I am not forgetting anything here. I told you you clearly Christ returned back to heaven. Didn't I.


John 14:3 And if I go and make ready a place for you, I WILL COME AGAIN and TAKE YOU to BE WITH ME, so that WHERE I AM you MAY BE TOO.


Before "where am I you may also be" don't forget that scripture state JESUS CHRIST WILL COME AGAIN. Again to where?

John 14:28. You heard me say to you, ‘I AM GOING AWAY AND I AM COMING BACK to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. 

John 14:23....Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and TAKE UP RESIDENCE with HIM.

CAPTIVATOR: From where?

Achorladey:You introduce "FROM" not a palaver of mine to sort.

rottennaija:


Can you list the different forms of idolatry?

rottennaija, perhaps the below is one form of what you SEEK.

Maximus69: But Jehovah's Witnesses today only WORSHIP according to the INSTRUCTIONS from the GB, which has nothing like what is obtainable elsewhere Sir.

Achorladey: When we compare and constrast with the below

Matthew 4:4 But he answered, “It is written, ‘Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that comes from the MOUTH of GOD not INSTRUCTIONS from GB.’”


The instructions from GB over the years is full of MISTAKES, ERROR and NOT INSPIRED.

So when taking that of GB over that of the word of GOD. Can it be said to be IDOLATRY?

achorladey:


rottennaija, perhaps the below is one form of what you SEEK.

Maximus69: But Jehovah's Witnesses today only WORSHIP according to the INSTRUCTIONS from the GB, which has nothing like what is obtainable elsewhere Sir.

Achorladey: When we compare and constrast with the below

Matthew 4:4 But he answered, “It is written, ‘Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that comes from the MOUTH of GOD not INSTRUCTIONS from GB.’”


The instructions from GB over the years is full of MISTAKES, ERROR and NOT INSPIRED.

So when taking that of GB over that of the word of GOD. Can it be said to be IDOLATRY?

What do you think about this Maximus69?

Maximus69:

The people worshiped EXACTLY what other surrounding nations worshiped! Jeremiah 7:31
But Jehovah's Witnesses today only worship according to the instructions from the GB,which has nothing like what is obtainable elsewhere Sir. That is why all other religious groups are against Jehovah's Witnesses!
Idolatry has just one form Sir 'form of worship that is common everywhere,people from all parts of the earth can easily relate with it because something of that nature must have been in their own culture' John 15:19 but when it is not common then there is some kind of uniqueness!

What really is idolatry?

achorladey:


CAPTIVATOR: they will rule over the earth.” CJB

"they shall reign over the earth." Darby

Just some two of the many translation that RENDERED IT PROPERLY.

Achorladey: How did you know THEY RENDERED IT PROPERLY?

Did you see the ORIGINAL ONE penned down by Apostle JOHN HIMSELF?

Did Apostle John Tell you face to face the actual meaning of the word he used there in ENGLISH means OVER instead of ON?

What about other numerous translation that used ON?


CAPTIVATOR: This was why I asked the other time, If you have a contrary opinion, from where will Christ Reign On earth?

Achorladey: You should by now have seen my response on that. The discussion didn't contain "FROM" you introduced it yourself. It was centered on "ON THE EARTH".


Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

CAPTIVATOR: U are easily forgetting Christ also reign on/over earth, and this ones reign with him...that where I am, you also may be " John 14:3

Achorladey: Oga CAPTIVATOR I am not forgetting anything here. I told you you clearly Christ returned back to heaven. Didn't I.


John 14:3 And if I go and make ready a place for you, I WILL COME AGAIN and TAKE YOU to BE WITH ME, so that WHERE I AM you MAY BE TOO.


Before "where am I you may also be" don't forget that scripture state JESUS CHRIST WILL COME AGAIN. Again to where?

John 14:28. You heard me say to you, ‘I AM GOING AWAY AND I AM COMING BACK to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. 

John 14:23....Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and TAKE UP RESIDENCE with HIM.

CAPTIVATOR: From where?

Achorladey:You introduce "FROM" not a palaver of mine to sort.

" and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly " 1 Cor 15:48

Christ is now an heavenly being, with the divine nature . not earthly. This divine nature is what those to rule and kings partook of. Didn't you read that in your bible ?

" What has been born from spirit is Spirit " John 3:6

The spiritual birth which members of the new covenant undergo is a change to a spirit form by virtue of their ressurection . if there Is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.

This is why Heaven is their dwelling place. Partakers of heavenly calling.Heb 3:1

CAPTIVATOR:


" they will rule over the earth.” CJB

"they shall reign over the earth." Darby

Just some two of the many translation that rendered it properly .

This was why I asked the other time, If you have a contrary opinion, from where will Christ Reign On earth ?

U are easily forgetting Christ also reign on/over earth , and this ones reign with him . . " that where I am, you also may be " John 14:3

From where ?

Thank you. Jesus throne is located on planet earth I guess ...

How are you?

CAPTIVATOR:


" and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly " 1 Cor 15:48

Christ is now an heavenly being, with the divine nature . not earthly. This divine nature is what those to rule and kings partook of. Didn't you read that in your bible ?

" What has been born from spirit is Spirit " John 3:6

The spiritual birth which members of the new covenant undergo is a change to a spirit form by virtue of their ressurection . if there Is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.

This is why Heaven is their dwelling place. Partakers of heavenly calling.Heb 3:1

How does the above answer the QUESTION you bolded?

Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

1 Peter 3:18....Because Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, to bring you to God, by being put to death in the flesh but by being made ALIVE in THE SPIRIT.

John 20:17,18 Jesus replied, “Do not touch me, for I have not yet ascended to my Father. Go to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” 18 Mary Magdalene came and informed the disciples, “I have SEEN the LORD!” And she told them what JESUS had SAID to HER.


ALIVE in the SPIRIT RIGHT HERE on EARTH abi no be so?
Abi na HEAVENLY or HEAVEN dey RESURRECT JESUS?

Except you abandon one major THEOLOGY of JWS in order for your EXPLANATION above on the key terms expressed in there such as (HEAVENLY, DIVINE NATURE, BORN FROM SPIRIT) that he was NOT MADE ALIVE in SPIRIT.

So I asked once AGAIN Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

Revelation 5:10 You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will REIGN ON THE EARTH.”

achorladey:


How does the above answer the QUESTION you bolded?

Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

1 Peter 3:18....Because Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, to bring you to God, by being put to death in the flesh but by being made ALIVE in THE SPIRIT.

John 20:17,18 Jesus replied, “Do not touch me, for I have not yet ascended to my Father. Go to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”  18 Mary Magdalene came and informed the disciples, “I have SEEN the LORD!” And she told them what JESUS had SAID to HER.


ALIVE in the SPIRIT RIGHT HERE on EARTH abi no be so?
Abi na HEAVENLY or HEAVEN dey RESURRECT JESUS?

Except you abandon one major THEOLOGY of JWS in order for your EXPLANATION above on the key terms expressed in there such as (HEAVENLY, DIVINE NATURE, BORN FROM SPIRIT) that he was NOT MADE ALIVE in SPIRIT.

So I asked once AGAIN Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

Revelation 5:10 You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will REIGN ON THE EARTH.”

He hasn't returned to heaven at the time to dwell in unapproachable Light. Don't forget he quote where Paul said like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly . heavenly NOT earthly .

What you saw there is a materialized body , Just as Angels in the past . No wonder Mary didn't recognize him facially at first. Except by his voice

Jozzy4:


Thank you. Jesus throne is located on planet earth I guess ...

How are you?

Jesus throne as King Is located where ?

Why is the kingdom called Kingdom of heaven if the rulers are not in heaven . ?

Jozzy4:


Thank you. Jesus throne is located on planet earth I guess ...

How are you?

Am fine. Now that's funny .

achorladey:


Revelation 5:10 You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will REIGN ON THE EARTH.”

am responding to this first because it is a dead attempt to change the truth. Are you aware that many of these translation that says " ON " actually translated the same word as " OVER " at Matthew 18:13 ? Like jozy pointed out. You never gave attentiom to this . Giving credence to a translation that uses over the earth . So let's see what the facts reveal .

How does the above answer the QUESTION you bolded?

Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

The Kingdom is a Kingdom of Heaven. That's the location of government. You would have understand if you took time to reflect on Jesus been called " heavenly one" together with those with the heavenly calling .

" Like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly "

1 Peter 3:18....Because Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, to bring you to God, by being put to death in the flesh but by being made ALIVE in THE SPIRIT.

John 20:17,18 Jesus replied, “Do not touch me, for I have not yet ascended to my Father. Go to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” 18 Mary Magdalene came and informed the disciples, “I have SEEN the LORD!” And she told them what JESUS had SAID to HER.


ALIVE in the SPIRIT RIGHT HERE on EARTH abi no be so?
Abi na HEAVENLY or HEAVEN dey RESURRECT JESUS?

Except you abandon one major THEOLOGY of JWS in order for your EXPLANATION above on the key terms expressed in there such as (HEAVENLY, DIVINE NATURE, BORN FROM SPIRIT) that he was NOT MADE ALIVE in SPIRIT.

So I asked once AGAIN Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

He was a materialized flesh Not Spirit at that moment he met Mary. Mary can't see him in spirit form so he materialized. The way he appears and disappears at will like angels in the past proved this.

He later said he wasn't a spirit because a spirit won't have flesh and bones as he had at that moment. That's just to make him visible to his apostles. All that lasted till he return to the spirit realm , years later apostle Paul regarded him as the heavenly one.


Spirit is not flesh. Whatever has been born from spirit is Spirit " John 3:6 . which gives this rulers together with Christ the heavenly hope as Spirits.