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Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by aribisala0(m): 7:12pm On May 08, 2019 |
Amujale:I cannot read. Can we not discuss your Phd thesis and focus on the issue at hand? |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by forgiveness: 7:35pm On May 08, 2019 |
Amujale: How can Isreal be created in the midst of Arabs just like that? |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 7:39pm On May 08, 2019 |
forgiveness: Lets not derail the thread with self indulgence.Maybe create a new thread to discuss those issues. Thank you |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 7:40pm On May 08, 2019 |
aribisala0: I guess you're correct |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 7:52pm On May 08, 2019 |
aribisala0: Here i agree with the spirit of your post. 100% agree with your view point above. However, Oduduwa is a unifying figure no doubt, said to have hailed from the East of Ife. That piece of information has always been misconscrued out of proportion to a greater extent. Yet its safer and more productive to accept the Emperor 's overall mission, UNITY. Soon as we've achieved unity and reigns supreme and unfettered, then, the intellectual nuance will actually take its course. 1 Like |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by aribisala0(m): 8:03pm On May 08, 2019 |
Amujale: When a so called man of God tells his follower to have sex with him in the name of God it is time to start thinking. To suspend "faith" and use her head You might as well say it is safer and productive to accept APC's mission It is safer and productive to accept PDP's mission It is safer and productive to accept Islam It is safer and productive to accept Christianity and so on If I am to UNITE should I be consulted? Somebody would decide it is good for me to Unite with him without seeking my opinion?? With respect you are talking nonsense I think you better keep you idiotic unity idea TO YOURSELF People like you are very dangerous indeed No different from Osama bin laden or Boko Haram Do you for one moment think Boko Haram believe their overall mission is evil? No THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE DOING THE WORK OF GOD If there is to be unity let everybody sit and discuss. You do not sit in Oyo and Ife and be talking of one stupid overall mission It is offensive and patronizing. I have NOTHING to do with OYO empire s o why should I UNITE with them. 1 Like |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 8:13pm On May 08, 2019 |
aribisala0: Sometimes, especially in these times, one has to put aside conflicting issues in pursuit for unity. Unity is hard and elusive. With luck one could stumble upon unity no doubt, however, sometimes one has to earn, search for, maintain, sustain our unity. And sometimes one is given a unifying figure, perfect. Everyone can easily unify around a common purpose. Yoruba has the Emperor Oduduwa. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by aribisala0(m): 8:15pm On May 08, 2019 |
Amujale:Guy please stop quoting me . I really do not have patience for idiotss |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 8:30pm On May 08, 2019 |
aribisala0: You ought to respket yourself now. Stupid response, no sense. When you are faced with a well balanced discussion, you cannot help respect yourself. So tell me what is your problem? |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by aribisala0(m): 8:41pm On May 08, 2019 |
Amujale:There is no discussion just opinion and dogma. Go and look for pseudo intellectuals like yourself I am not interested. You are an empty rabble rouser |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 9:31pm On May 08, 2019 |
aribisala0: You have nothing sensible to say, come to me when you have something sensible to contribute to the thread. I am going to ignore you with your inconsequential responses. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by aribisala0(m): 9:33pm On May 08, 2019 |
Amujale: You really are a childish insecure little boy. I told you last year to stop quoting me You are an empty raucous rabble rouser |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 9:54pm On May 08, 2019 |
aribisala0: Are you nuts? You butted into my conversation. and you better back off! I know you? |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 9:59pm On May 08, 2019 |
Amujale: aribisala0: |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 10:06pm On May 08, 2019 |
Amujale: |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 10:07pm On May 08, 2019 |
aribisala0: Amujale: aribisala0: Amujale: |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 10:17pm On May 08, 2019 |
aribisala0: Amujale: Amujale: Amujale: |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by aribisala0(m): 10:17pm On May 08, 2019 |
Amujale:Are you gay? |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 10:18pm On May 08, 2019 |
aribisala0: Amujale: |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by aribisala0(m): 10:18pm On May 08, 2019 |
Amujale:You are being a nuisance just STFU and spare us all this hom0sexual nonsense |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 10:20pm On May 08, 2019 |
aribisala0: And yet its you that is being a nuisance by butting into our conversion. I have just shown you that you are a trouble maker. And i dont have the time for your pranks |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 11:45pm On May 08, 2019 |
forgiveness: Well thats what superior warfare allows for anyone to achieve. I dont sympathize with either side, between them they are responsible for an unsumountable amount of cvaos and destructiveness. Plus, Isreal has the backing of the United States. Thats how. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 11:54pm On May 08, 2019 |
African history has been destorted by Arabian extreemist and Eurocentric writers to help create a false perception of the world. Africa's intellect and genuine scholarship is mainly responsible for modern civilisation. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by TAO11(f): 2:12am On May 09, 2019 |
macIB: I had noted that Shango Oba-Koso born in Ife, once ruled as king over the Nubian Kush Kingdom, and you challenged that assertion although your challenge was simply based on word-of-mouth without citing any authority or adducing any evidence, proof or reason. However, the evidence which I promised to return with is as cited in one of the works of the foremost African historian and anthropologist on pre-colonial black African history, that is, Professor Cheikh Anta Diop and the classic is entitled “The African Origin of Civilization: Myth Or Reality” On pages 148 to 149 of this classic, Professor Cheikh Anta Diop cited Pédrals' reference to Morié that Shango once ruled as king over the Nubians, the Kush Kingdom to be precise. Talking about Shango on page 148, Professor Cheikh Anta Diop writes: “… King Shango, Iakouta, or Khevioso (depending on the dialect) … worshipped all over the Slave Coast (Guinea) under different names, as the god of thunder and destruction, was, according to stories related by the Blacks, a king of Kush …” The foregoing description in the words of Professor Anta Diop settles the identity of the person in question, that is, we are sure we are dealing, here, with our very own Shango, the god of thunder. The testimony of Morié on this subject (that Shango once ruled as king over the Kush kingdom) was said by Pédrals to have been stumbled upon in an ancient Coptic text which was translated from the original Arabic and published (actually outside of Africa) in far-away Paris-France in the year 1666. Professor Cheikh Anta Diop’s reference to Pédrals on the subject is as follows: “ As Morié puts it, this Obba-Kouso was born at Ife, a locality which our author is completely unacquainted. Adorned with the title, “first-born of the Supreme God,” he resulted from the incestuous love of Orougan, god of the south, and Yemadja, mother of Orougan, herself a sister of Agandjou, god of Space. Chango-Obba-Kouso’s brothers are Dada, god of nature, and Ogoun, god of hunters and blacksmiths. He has three wives: Oya, Osoun, and Oba. It is quite evident that Orougan and Yemadja resemble the incestuous couple Amon (Kham) and Mout. Their son, moreover, has the surname “King of Kush” …” [Pédrals, pp. 30-31] It is important to note that Professor Cheikh Anta Diop, just as Pédrals himself, emphasized that Morié, “our author”, has absolutely no idea of where Ife (the city whose name Morié takes from the Coptic text) is located. In light of the foregoing striking parallel between “Obba-Kouso” -- an epithet of Shango which the “Yorubas” have known for centuries, and this epithet of Shango, i.e. “King of Kush”, which has just been shown above to be discovered in the translation of the Coptic text; one can safely conclude that the “Yorubas” obviously have been using the phrase “King of Kush” (i.e. Oba-Koso or sometimes Olu-Koso) as an epithet of Shango for centuries without even realizing it, yet hypothesizing different inaccurate and contradictory meanings for the epithet. Thanks to the ancient Arabic text of the Copts. ** Having cited and said all the foregoing, it is important in the spirit of fairness to you and in the spirit of completeness that I clarify to you that Shango-Alaafin Oyo, son of Oranmiyan and the Nupe lady, Torosi is not one and the same person as Shango, the Yoruba god of thunder. The man who became admitted into the Yoruba pantheon as the god of thunder (because of his many great exploits just as other man-divinities like Orunmila, Obatala, Oduduwa, et al.) had already flourished centuries before even Oranmiyan himself was born. In other words, the "Yorubas" had a god of thunder centuries before Shango-Alaafin Oyo, or even his father Oranmiyan, was born. Shango Alaafin Oyo became named after this man because this son of Oranmiyan was thought to possess similar temperament as this great man who lingers in the memory of the "Yorubas". Shango-the god of thunder; mentioned in the Coptic text discussed earlier as: born in Ife , son of “Orougan” (i.e. Ọ̀ràngún) and “Yemadja” (Yemọja), and a king of Kush (Obba Kouso); is clearly a different and distinct person from Shango-Alaafin Oyo, son of Oranmiyan and Torosi, and born in Oyo. The later was simply named after this Yoruba god of thunder. At this point, I have to admit that a lot of the histories of the Yorubas have been mixed up, conflated, or sometimes lost from us, but thanks to the very few people who are helping to set the records straight in recent times. Below is a first-hand practical statement, from a notable worshipper and devotee of Shango -- Mr. Sangosakin Ajala, which further corroborates and clarifies my position that Shango Alaafin Oyo, born in Oyo, son of Oranmiyan and Torosi is not one and the same person as Shango-the Yoruba god of thunder who once ruled the Nubian kingdom of Kush according to the Coptic text. Refer particularly to time 2:43 to time 4:15 of the video below to notice the distinction between the two persons, even though Mr. Sangosakin Ajala’s testimony also evidently retains element of mythology as expected, but he, nonetheless, acknowledges the distinction, i.e., the fact that Shango-Alaafin Oyo was only named after a previous person who originally bears the name. This previous person is clearly the description in the Coptic text mentioned earlier, given his different birth place and different parents: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjyYQxCpKbY cc: Amujale forgiveness kunmiiii Ollaxworld 2 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by wowcatty: 2:40am On May 09, 2019 |
Oduduwa is not the source of Yoruba, source has nothing to do with Oduduwa who met people in Ile Ife. And the there’s no such thing as “crown general” in Yorubaland, what we have is generalissimo which is Aareonakakanfo. Ooni is ABORE which is Orisa’s attendant, priest, custodian or butler, he’s not even an Oba at all. But money politics, betrayal, lack of respect for ancient traditions and sense of injustice in an average Yoruba is what brought us to this point. The Ooni stool is cursed because Abore’’s shrine is now called Ooni’s palace and the confusion has been from one Ooni to another, or is it not Ooni Sijuade the Judas who collected 30 pieces of silver on Abiola? And the new Ooni is on his way to even be worse than that. Slaves have a way of showing themselves. Sanchez01: |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by wowcatty: 3:20am On May 09, 2019 |
Something must be really wrong with some of you to believe Alaafin can bow to his inferior. Alaafin can’t bow to anyone, you are only seeing what you wanted to see. The same way people like you make it seem Oduduwa was the founder of Ile Ife, Oranmiyan was an Oba in Oyo just as he was in Bini, he founded none of them. In ancient times, ABORE were seen as pastors of today and mouthpieces of the gods and that’s what gave Oduduwa some sort of royalty and then his offsprings, he had no crown but his offsprings did have crowns outside Ile Ife. Ooni is NOT an Oba title but an Orisa priest. TAO11: |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by TAO11(f): 3:34am On May 09, 2019 |
wowcatty: Oga stop the rant and answer the simple question I asked you! 1.) Who is the founder of Oyo kingdom according to whatever version of history you read? 2.) Where did this founder of Oyo kingdom hail from? 3.) And who is his father? Also, point out the similarities and the differences between the two images below Baba Ju Omo Lo 1 Like
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Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by wowcatty: 3:48am On May 09, 2019 |
You must be blind or a troll if you don’t see answer to your question here. You can go and pound sand if you don’t understand what I said or answer your own questions if you know and then compare. The first is image is both Alaafin and another man standing, but the second image has Alaafin rising from his seat. Or Ooni descending from a stage or something. And unless you can show different angles, just shut up. Eni a ba l’aba ni baba. Baba ju omo lo but as you can see, you don’t really believe that, if you do, you won’t be swapping the father(Alaafin) for son(Ooni). TAO11: |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by wowcatty: 4:05am On May 09, 2019 |
Alaafin was the true emperor. Amujale: |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by TAO11(f): 4:31am On May 09, 2019 |
wowcatty: Hahaha! You're such an ignorant crook by presenting a circular argument wherein you attempted to prove that the Alaafin is the Baba, by first cunningly inherently assuming what you intended to prove, and then pretending to have proven it. Also you didn't answer any of my questions anywhere. My first question to you was: "Who was the founder of Oyo Kingdom ...?". No where did I mention any Oranmiyan or Oduduwa in my question. Why then are you been defensive already? Your answer to my simple question was that: Oranmiyan was a king in Oyo and Bini, and Oduduwa didn't found Ife. Please how is this, by any stretch of the imagination, supposed to be an answer to any of the questions I asked you? Moreover, your crooked self had noted two days ago that the reason why the Alaafin appears bowing his head, body, and soul in that picture is because he is older and weaker and he needs to appear as bowing his head, body, and soul down in order to be able to shake hands with the younger Ooni. Laughable excuse! Today, on seeing how the Alaafin stood upright while shaking hands with someone else (i.e. Obasanjo), you quickly shifted your hypothesis from the earlier one, that he has to appear as bowing his head, body and soul when shaking hands with people, to a newer hypothesis that he is simply trying to support himself with the Ooni while trying to stand up from a seat or while trying to get down from a stage. Another laughable excuse. Oga pick one hustle. But even if you do, none of your two contradictory hustle make any sense because the event was a public one and the media crews who captured the actual context already reported it appropriately in headlines as follows: UNCOMMON! Alaafin Of Oyo Bows To Ooni Of Ife. See heading of the image below. And the palace of the Alaafin till this moment makes no attempt at any point in time to refute or debunk this media report, unlike how the palace often does when it disagrees with any public information concerning the monarch or Yorubas generally, as we have seen lately in the issues surrounding the pronouncement of the Ooni of Ife on the "historical relationship" between the Yorubas and the Igbos. Also, do not forget to answer my three questions point by point. I'm still waiting and the questions remain: 1.) Who is the founder of Oyo kingdom according to whatever version of history you read? 2.) Where did this founder of Oyo kingdom hail from? 3.) And who is his father? Lastly, making a claim is not the same thing as providing evidence to substantiate the claim. Those are two seperate things. Anyone can make any claim, but until it is substantiated it is no more than an empty claim. So, until you provide evidence to substantiate your incoherent Abore - Oduduwa claim, your claim is as good as fiction 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Amujale(m): 9:26am On May 09, 2019 |
wowcatty: Unity is all about concession and compromise. For instance, i 100% agree with the notion that says Obatala creates humanity in Ife. And i accept the Emperor Oduduwa message of unity. Lets put our differences aside in pursuit of unity. Its time to stand in togetherness as one. There is the need to move towrds a unifying position. We need to be in the pursuit of unity at every given opportunity. Alaafin is also Emperor during the Oyo Empire no doubt. However, the discussion here is about us accepting the unifying message in Oduduwa. Its around about now that we pull together in the same progressive direction. Unity first, by all means possible. |
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