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Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by oduademonest: 12:31pm On May 11, 2019 |
prolog311: Modern Benin traditions were collected first by Roupnell in 1897 and then in the 1920s by Talbot, but the most thorough elaboration was by Chief Jacob U. Egharevba, who combined his personal knowledge of tradition with the earlier collections and some documentary evidence to produce a history of Benin in 1934. According to all these versions, the original Benin king-dom was a loose federation of elders, who tired of their kings and invited Oranmiyan, the son of the "Oghene" of Ife to come and rule them, which he did, remaining briefly before going on to found the main Yoruba kingdom of Oyo. To this core of infor- mation from tradition, Egharevba added some circumstantial detail (including information about art history) to solidify the idea that the centralized monarchy was founded by a scion of the house of Ife.29 The similarity between the title Oghene, by which the Oni of Ife is known in Benin, and Ogane of the texts has been the core of the modern interpretation of the Ife-Benin relationship. Source Traditions, Documents, and the Ife-Benin Relationship Author(s): John K. Thornton Source: History in Africa, Vol. 15 (1988), pp. 351-362 Published by: Cambridge University Press Accessed: 11-05-2019 11:18 UTC 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by oduademonest: 12:37pm On May 11, 2019 |
prolog311: Yet even the members of the expedition, predisposed as they naturally were to believe in the foreign origin of the best in Benin culture, recorded a tradition (op. cit., p. 5) suggesting that Benin owed something to Ife, i5o miles away, whose Oni had exerted spiritual overlordship over Benin since the early years of the founding of the Yoruba kingdoms; and subsequent inquiries by Talbot and others leave no doubt that the Bini believe they learnt bronze- casting from Ife. An early Oba of Benin, Oguola, who reigned in the late thirteenth century, is said to have asked the Oni of Ife to send a craftsman to teach the Bini to cast in bronze. A certain Igue-Igha was sent, and is said to have become the first Ine, or head of the Brass-casters' Guild, to which a special quarter of the great city was exclusively allotted; the present Oba told me when I visited him recently that brass-casting has from the beginning been for- bidden at Benin except within the brass-casters' quarter. Just outside the door of the Ine's house in that quarter there is a shrine dedicated to the deified Igue-Igha. The shrine it-self is a small mud alcove, which has no doubt been repaired and renewed many times, but the cult objects, on a mud shelf about 3 feet 6 inches from the ground, are a series of terra-cotta heads, some of which in my opinion cannot be much later than the sixteenth century. The Igue-Igha tradition therefore seems to be of long standing. It is these traditions, coupled with some stylistic affinities, which have led us to regard the Ife bronzes found in I938 and 1939 (seeMAN, I949, I) as ancestral to those of Benin Source A Bronze Figure in Ife Style at Benin Author(s): William Fagg Source: Man, Vol. 50 (Jun., 1950), pp. 69-70 Published by: Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland Accessed: 11-05-2019 11:28 UTC It is not just in the area of administration/politics, Benin was subservient to Yoruba in the area of arts, culture, and technology as well 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by TAO11(f): 12:42pm On May 11, 2019 |
Thank you Oduademonest for noticing how I substantiated each and every claim I made with authoritative academic evidence, proof, and reason. Thanks also for noticing the strawman and red-herring fallacies of that empty barrel called prolog311 He knows me very well hence the reason he dared not quote me in his so-called rejoinder to my argument. He understands too well that I will rubbish him, as I have consistently done to him in the past, before he will then finally run away. Lol! Aside committing straw-man and red-herring fallacies, he strongly believes in the idea that if he makes a false claim repeatedly enough (of course without any evidence), then the mere repetition of the empty false claim will somehow miraculously serve as proof for the claim. He often accuses his co-debater of not providing any evidence even when they obviously and glaringly do, while he actually is the one who obviously and glaringly doesn't provide any evidence other than a mere repitition of the same unsubstantiated wishful claim. His case is as if there is some very strong delusion clouding his intellect. Notice how he tried without let to provide videos showing that Benin art works are great (even though I have already impliedly demonstrated that in the video I provided), and despite the fact that that was not even the primary subject of the discourse here. Even if the discussion is about which is greater of the Ife and Benin Art. I have clipped his wings on that before by citing expert sources who stated both expressly and impliedly that the Benin bronzes do not come close in comparison when the beauty, elegance, and greatness of Ife bronzes are been discussed. I provided him with the expert view below among others, and he fled into the woods never saying a word and never to return. Oh ye prolog311 , see below again for a refresher if you really want to go this route: In other words, if you really want to do this, then don't simply tell me that the Benin bronzes are great (we know that already), you should rather be willing to demonstrate from expert sources that they are greater than Ife bronzes. And if you can't (and you obviously can not) then be logical enough to accept the expert statement below. 7 Likes 5 Shares
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Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Nobody: 12:49pm On May 11, 2019 |
People, please ignore the troll above. Benin Kingdom has been in contact with European kingdoms since the 15th century and in that time the Europeans wrote a lot about Benin. They wrote what they saw and even though the eyewitnesses died hundreds of years ago, their written work survived and are exposed in museums around the world. Benin history didn't start with 1897. That is actually the year Benin lost a war to Britain. But ignorant people don't need to know all this. And please Mr Yoruba liar, try to be more original than singing the praises of yoribacentric liars who were pushing the narrative which you desperately want all to believe. Nobody in Europe takes you people's trash seriously. You can only fool the fools and I am not one of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDquEWi3dXk Yoruba have no history and desperately want to claim other people's. They believe that their majority status in nigeria should enable them take over Edo history. But history doesn't work like that. You can't change it just because you are many. Deal with it. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Nobody: 12:52pm On May 11, 2019 |
History:= the study of texts written by eyewitnesses. Myth:= stories claiming things happened in the passed. Quoting a so called academic whom is writing myths can not in any way be considered a proof of any claim. Proof doesn't depend on academic status. Nor does it need you to build up reputations of those whom you want to quote. That is the oldest fraud in the world. Just like when trump tells fox or breitbart to write a certain thing in their news and then he quotes that same thing as fact with fox and breitbart as proof. These stupid tricks won't carry you anywhere. Proof is a mathematical thing whose value is objective and not subjective. It doesn't depend on whom writes it, it exists on its own. That is why people ask for proof, not for reputation of a person whom you want to quote. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by oduademonest: 12:53pm On May 11, 2019 |
prolog311: It seems you are troll. Funny though!!! 2 Likes |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by TAO11(f): 12:55pm On May 11, 2019 |
prolog311: Hahaha! Straw-man! Straw-man!! Straw-man!!! If you're so convinced that you're an expert at being cunning, then let's see how you will overturn the evidence-backed argument I have adduced above. 2 Likes |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Nobody: 1:07pm On May 11, 2019 |
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Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Nobody: 1:15pm On May 11, 2019 |
TAO11: Contrary to the Yoruba ways, I don't do cunning. I rely solely on the truth. You should try that. You Yoruba confuse history with the art of telling lies ( politics). You are very desperate to rewrite your history and wash away your slave passed. And that is a pity, your ancestors returning from Brazil deserve better. Also you obviously do not know the meaning of the word evidence or you are trying to give it a new meaning. Changing of reality seems to be you people's thing |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Nobody: 1:20pm On May 11, 2019 |
I don't do politics. The truth is enough for me, I need not add lies to my life. That is my life philosophy and that is the main difference between me and Yoruba. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by TAO11(f): 1:31pm On May 11, 2019 |
prolog311 post=78299214i: Strawman! Strawman!! Strawman!!! No one here ever claimed that there is no bight of Benin. No one here ever claimed that there is anything named bight of Ife or bight of Yoruba. I doubt if you even know what the word "bight" in the phrase "bight of Benin" means. Moreover, no one here ever claimed that the Bini kingdom was never great. Of course it was great just as several other kingdoms in West Africa too were great. In fact, it will be a shame (and a failure) on Ile-Ife if Bini was never great because that was apparently the original mission of the Ife monarchy as I have earlier demonstrated with evidence. But to make a grandiose claim that Bini kingdom is the greatest ever in West Africa (or more specifically that it was ever greater than its mother-kingdom Ife as I have demonstrated with evidence) is what you can not just leave hanging without providing evidence for. Address my original argument point by point if you're man enough, I challenge you. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Nobody: 1:37pm On May 11, 2019 |
TAO11:keep your mouth shot. I don't have time to go through your lengthy rubbish full with fraudulent claims. It suffices to say that in the precolonial era, nobody saw ife as important enough to write about it and the British didn't even fight ife, your ooni immediately surrendered. Ife's might is only in your imagination. What was the precolonial architecture of ife ? You people' s craziness seems boundless. Nobody except village idiots take your ife stories seriously. Your ooni doesn't even have a royal outfit dated more than 200 years old. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by TAO11(f): 1:43pm On May 11, 2019 |
prolog311: You don't have time to go through it, meaning you gave a false and lying impression when you pretended to be "refuting" the argument. How more contradictory, inconsistent, and confused can you be? ![]() ![]() 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Nobody: 1:44pm On May 11, 2019 |
Your ooni goes to british museum to see Yoruba or ife art and all he sees are two Yoruba things surrounded by a huge bunch of Edo royal art. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxZAXb0XVwI |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Nobody: 1:46pm On May 11, 2019 |
You guys need to stop taking everybody for fools. You repeat your lie everyday in the hope it would one day be considered truth, but you are only wasting your lives away. Repeating that the sky is red everyday will not change the colour of the sky. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by TAO11(f): 1:49pm On May 11, 2019 |
prolog311: Cos we were respected and our arts were not looted against our will. We willingly gave out whatever we gave out. 1 Like |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by TAO11(f): 1:49pm On May 11, 2019 |
prolog311: Your trademark 1 Like |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Nobody: 1:57pm On May 11, 2019 |
TAO11:Where do you spell respect when talking about a people who gave up without a fight ? You definitely were given the respect of those who surrender without fighting. Besides you have never had anything even close the more than 7000 stolen Edo royal art. You had no architecture... Stop comparing what can not be compared. Your lengthy lies won't change facts. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Nobody: 2:06pm On May 11, 2019 |
TAO11: I read enough of your rubbing to realise it were rubbish and I know you, I have debated you before. You have no logics, no honesty and no facts. You are just a troll, and the best is to ignore you. Which I have been doing for a while. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by TAO11(f): 2:27pm On May 11, 2019 |
prolog311: You fought yet your property was looted en masse, your city was burnt, your palace destroyed, and your Oba Ovanramwen Nogbaisi paraded like a criminal in his own kingdom before been expelled from his kingdom like an abomination, despite the fact that he begged and offered up the kingdom's wealth. Please don't annoy me today so I won't offend reasonable Edos oo ![]() ![]() 4 Likes |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by TAO11(f): 2:29pm On May 11, 2019 |
prolog311: Did you not just say you didn't care to read it? Are you sure I'm exchanging with a normal human being? ![]() ![]() |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Nobody: 2:31pm On May 11, 2019 |
TAO11:As the brave man suffers, the coward laughs. You thought I would feel something when you wrote that, right ? We can all see that your imagination and lying behaviour has no limits. On my part I feel nothing. As a boxer I prefer to be knocked out than to give up without a fight. All warriors understand this, but cowards and slaves and liars like the Yoruba will never understand this. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by TAO11(f): 2:36pm On May 11, 2019 |
prolog311: Are you saying that your property was not looted en masse, your city was not burnt, your palace was not destroyed, and your Oba Ovanramwen Nogbaisi was not paraded like a criminal in his own kingdom before been expelled from his kingdom like an abomination? Are you saying that? Plus that was not even a fight, history books report it as the Benin Massacre. It was as the case of an ant being oppressed by (and at the mercy of) an elephant. Stop making me give reasonable Edos terrible memories. And regarding your claim that Yorubas didn't resist the imperialists' attacks, provide your evidence. Enough of your childish notion that merely claiming it repeatedly is automatically equal to proof. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Nobody: 2:45pm On May 11, 2019 |
TAO11:keep talking. Cowards like to talk and talk and talk. We lost a war... Keep embelishing and please make it funny. It amuses me how you mix facts with lies and and insults. All this coming from an ife person who's ooni gave up without a fight ? Cowards, liars and slaves want to mock brave people... Nigeria, an upside down country... As you have noticed Benin City and many other cities of Benin Kingdom were demolished while ife wasn't, yet ife boasts of no indigenous houses worth talking about. All houses in ife are colonial or post colonial constructs, yet ife was not destroyed. This leads to conclusion ife was not civilised in precolonial days. Benin Kingdom was civilised with houses and all, those are the things which were destroyed, very few houses survived Though. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by TAO11(f): 2:51pm On May 11, 2019 |
prolog311: Hahaha, your mumuism has no ending. Did you just say citing experts is not sufficient as proof? You mean that citing expert is not proof if others do it, but it is proof if you do, by citing video documentaries made by ![]() ![]() You're just a super emotional and ignorant clown. And "proof" is a term used in academic research generally It is not restricted to mathematics. You don't even know what you're talking about. Neither do you know who you're talking to. Stop assuming too much ![]() ![]() 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by TAO11(f): 3:02pm On May 11, 2019 |
prolog311: Regarding your claim that the Yorubas didn't resist the imperialists attacks, provide your evidence. In fact, substantiate every of your single claim cos you haven't substantiated a single one. Why are you afraid to do so? Enough of your childish notion that merely claiming it repeatedly is automatically equal to proof. Moreover, the Yorubas are not stuck in the past to have resisted and aviided modern structures. We proceed with time. Ancient thatched roof mud brick majestic buildings for the ancient times, while modern buildings for modern times. Why are you fixated on living in a mud brick and thatched roof building in the present time? Are you telling me that you travelled to France on the back of a horse? And if you managed to have done so lol!, then give thanks to Oranmiyan who introduced horses to Igodomigodo. Ben-Amos notes that the natives of Igodomigodo marvelled at the sight of a horse for the first time when Oranmiyan rode one into their town from Ife. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Nobody: 3:03pm On May 11, 2019 |
TAO11:Fool I quoted nobody. Just mentioned a name I dropped. It would be best if I could talk to you in person in order to knock some sense into you. Right now you are being very irrational. You are calling me emotional while I made no emotions statement. You are deliberately as usual confusing the mere quotation of others as proof. I have already told you what history means. Providing proof requires your claim to be true which is not the case and which is why your new strategy (old really) is to redefine the word proof. Troll, now talk alone or with your other two Yoruba who saw it fit for three Yoruba to simultaneously engage just one Edo. The truth is powerful and you Yoruba guys are going to need to engage in a 50 million vs 1 fight in order to not get completely obliterated by the truth and your slave passed. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by TAO11(f): 3:09pm On May 11, 2019 |
prolog311: Mumu boy. Providing video link is itself referencing and quoting because those are not your words. Even though you're too dull to realize it, you were actually referencing and quoting when you pasted YouTube links to prove that the benin arts are wonderful. But it shouldn't stop there. You should be willing to prove every other claim you make. That is the point about onus probandi Referencing is valid in academia but I guess it is not in the clogged mind of an ignorant crook like you. It's funny how you you do not see the magnitude of the nonsense you spew. You do not provide any proof, yet you're even proud of been unwiling to do so for your ignorant claim perhaps because you consider your deluded self to be sufficient as your own authority, while all the world-renowned experts researching Ife-Bini relationship are fools who are not as smart as you are. A clear case of delusion of grandeur. You better book a therapy appointment before it's too late. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by Nobody: 3:14pm On May 11, 2019 |
My message here is to Edo. I obviously have other things to do than to engage Yoruba trolls all day and the reason I left nairaland is because you end up having the same debate over and over again with people who defy logics, facts and decency. Some of these yoruba folks seem to have no life outside of social media. They repeat the same talking points and quote the same people a little bit like a rag tag brain washed cult. Please don't follow these yoruba slaves into discussion fables like ogiso, oduduwa and oranmiyan. Stick to actual history, recorded by eyewitnesses. And be smart, don't fall for their stupid tricks. Always ask for proof of claims made. And know what the word proof means. Don't let the crooks redefine it for you. Don't let them abuse your time and don't fall for their tricks. God bless. |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by kunmiiii: 3:20pm On May 11, 2019 |
![]() Ok, Now back to the matter, as much as i know, i believe proof should be a degree of evidence which convinces the mind of an argument and produces belief whether by a test of facts which induce, or probably tend to induce a certainty of a judgment with conclusive evidence and demonstration which TAO11 has rightly done thus far. 2 Likes |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by TAO11(f): 3:24pm On May 11, 2019 |
prolog311: You really are the troll because my original comment was not directed at you, neither were you copied. The Edo guy whom I quoted is obviously way smarter than you are because he wouldn't engage in a fruitless and pointless exercise of trying to challenge the knowledge of the leading experts in a field while he himself is perhaps not even a beginner in the field. But I don't mind if you wanna debate it. All I am simply saying, which I insist on, is that if you wanna challenge it, then you must be willing to substantiate all your contrary claims with authoritative references, evidence, proof and reason. But the simple reality is that you can't do so (and you obviously haven't done so at any point) because that would amount to a lay-person like you challenging the positions of the world's foremost experts in the field of Ife-Bini relationship --- It's an obvious suicide mission, for the wise. From the Ogiso dynasty to the Oba dynasty, what I submitted with evidence is the consensus of leading experts on Ife-Bini relationship, not the match of your beer parlour rhetorical wishful statements which you put forward without any evidence, proof or reason. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan: I Am The Leader Of All Obas In Yorubaland by TAO11(f): 3:30pm On May 11, 2019 |
kunmiiii: Thank you oo my brother. That boy is just been unnecessarily emotional. The fact speak for itself. 1 Like 1 Share |
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