Of course cersei is dead, so Riverrun is gone for him. Tyrion/Jamie might be stripped of their titles next episode which makes High garden an impossibility for him.
Jamie is dead, and Tyrion is definitely going to get a trial for helping Jamie escape. The outcome of that trial is what i can't predict now.
Ser Bronn's dreams of being a Lord or owning castles are just going to remain that, dreams.
Tyrion's motive for telling Jamie to ring the bell was to save Cersei
In that war, who was supposed to ring the bell, or under those order should they ring the bell. Definitely not Jamie
Cersei did not surrender or order to ring the bell, it was Jamie who did not to save the people but just to save his beloved evil sister from destruction
Anyone who still believes the lannisters or Cersei at this point will ever keep their words about anything.
All Tyrion has been doing is to protect Cersei from getting destroyed
GrabHisBalls: In answering those questions, I'd have a reason to justify that massacre. We all know the kind of person cercei is as portrayed in the show right from season one. Drawing a comparison between cersei and Dany in this situation is outright madness. I thought Dany came to make a difference? I am not here to compare. All I'm saying is that nothing justifies that degree of massacre.
Yes, my family members aren't in kingslanding, but that doesn't stop me from being human.
According to Targaryen succession laws, what happens when there is no living male heir to the Iron Throne?
Not Targaryen Succession Law. Westerosi Succession Law and It was this very isssue that caused the Dance of Dragons. In that situation, I imagine they'd either call a council to revise the law to allow succession through the female line or the ruling family will change. But since none of that is provided for in either the books or show, I can only guess
Cinderallagirl: show where they said a woman can't rule the iron throne, anyway laws can be changed, people were the one that made the law in the first place, so it doesn't matter, dany can rule and the legitimacy of MR SHE IS MY QUEEN BLA BLA BLA is there oh, but he has to get a army to take the throne from her and the last time I check Jon does not have a army strong enough to take the throne, all he can depend on is Dany dieing so he can rule ( which he will be a terrible ruler)
If you read the books, you'll definitely see it written there as plain as day. Laws can be changed true enough but as it is, it hasn't changed either in the books or in the show.
Why doesn't a daughter of a king have a claim. What claim does Cersei the current ruler have that she doesn't
I have no sympathy for Cercei, none.
Everyone used to hail her smartness & calculated moves, but behind all that I always saw someone that was just an opportunist and an entitled brat. How can someone be fighting to the death to keep wearing a crown that has never being in her family before. The Lannisters are not a royal family, just a noble one.. So i never really understood Cercei's love for the Throne of Westeros.
She already had an army of loyal Lannister soldiers, had lands, had gold. What the fvck does she want to be Queen for?
At least Dany can say 'my ancestors forged the seven kingdoms, my father was a king of the seven kingdoms'. That is a claim. What could Cercei say to justify her anything if not pure unadulterated greed.
Hermionegranger: Not Targaryen Succession Law. Westerosi Succession Law. In that situation, I imagine they'd either call a council to revise the law to allow succession through the female line or the ruling family will change. But since none of that is provided for in either the books or show, I can only guess
Westeros is the capital of the seven kingdoms, the seven kingdoms was forged by Targaryens and has being ruled by them for generations from the capital. Targaryen succession law is in fact the only succession law known and adhered to in the capital.
There's no such thing as Westerosi succession law.
The Dance of Dragons came up because there was a living male heir. My question was what happens when there is no single living male heir?
The one with Oberyn broke Tyrion's heart. Especially when he mentioned what Cersei did to him before Jamie made her stop
Pinching, tightly, her baby brother's little coc.k and wishing death on him simply because the poor child's delivery had the misfortune of ending her mother's life Jeez! Cersei's been a cold-hearted biitch from the get-go. I doubt even a lifetime with her mother (had she lived) would have watered down her deeply ingrained wickedness.
But boy! "Did I tear up badly, upon watching Tyrion's sniveling reaction, when Oberyn says, "That's not a monster; that's just a baby."
Westeros is the capital of the seven kingdoms, the seven kingdoms was forged by Targaryens and has being ruled by them for generations from the capital. Targaryen succession law is in fact the only succession law known and adhered to in the capital.
There's no such thing as Westerosi succession law.
The Dance of Dragons came up because there was a living male heir. My question was what happens wkhen there is no single living male heir?
Westeros IS the Seven Kingdoms. The capital of Westeros is Kings Landing. The seven kingdoms were separate kingdoms ruled by separate kings or Queens before being unified under Targaryen rule. Before what you call the "Targaryen succession law" was made, all kingdoms were ruled by men as of right except in Dorne. If there's a queen on any throne of any kingdom(apart from Dorne) that Queen rules as a Regent(holding power for her son until he comes of age) and not as of right. When the Targaryen succession became an issue, the current Targaryen king called a council because he wanted to use customs of the people he was ruling. The lords of Westeros made a succession rule to govern the crown based on what was already practised. Mind you, when that council was called it was still the 6 kingdoms because Dorne hadn't been conquered so Dornish succession law that favours women wasn't even considered. The Dance of Dragons happened because one stupid King decided to sh!t on the succession law that favoured him by naming his first born daughter who he loved excessively his heir apparent instead of her younger brother born of his second wife. You like every other person knows that all laws have loopholes which can come about by not contemplating an outcome or by new unforeseen situations arising which is exactly what happened when the Targaryen line presumably died. I've already told you what happens in such situations and until those things happen, that law is still the law until it's changed.
Everyone used to hail her smartness & calculated moves, but behind all that I always saw someone that was just an opportunist and an entitled brat. How can someone be fighting to the death to keep wearing a crown that has never being in her family before. The Lannisters are not a royal family, just a noble one.. So i never really understood Cercei's love for the Throne of Westeros.
She already had an army of loyal Lannister soldiers, had lands, had gold. What the fvck does she want to be Queen for?
At least Dany can say 'my ancestors forged the seven kingdoms, my father was a king of the seven kingdoms'. That is a claim. What could Cercei say to justify her anything if not pure unadulterated greed.
She died too easy sef.
so after the death of her sons and the Baratheons she was supposed to just sit down and watch the throne go to one farmer or what? " she was the only one at that time who had a little link to the throne and the lannisters are not starks, they are not known for honour they are lions and a lion wouldn't sit and let sheep rule over them. The lannisters have been ruling indirectly for over 40 years before she took over. Tywin was the real ruler during the mad King, all the mad King did was kill people and get hated. King Robert owed half of his kingdom to Tywin and Tywin wanted to build a dynasty that would last a thousand years, Cersei is the only true lannister the male lannisters are fake
@first bolded She took the same decision her father (The Mad King) took... these decisions were what made people conclude that he's mad, so if you're gonna defend Dany's actions, then you can as well defend her father's actions.
On the flip side, Jon hanged his killers, the people that killed him - Jon -. A kid who is bold enough to stab a man who had a positive relationship with him is no longer a kid, and under normal circumstances, that boy will be sentenced to death in the real world.
@second bolded Saving people by screaming "Dracarys" is poor decision-making. It was only going to take a little time before the switch flipped. If you followed her conversation with Tyrion in the throne room, you would see that she had made up her mind on burning Kings Landing and its people. Only Greyworm knew of it.
"Mercy is our strength. Our mercy toward future generations who will never again be held hostage by a tyrant." - The Mad Queen
To her, she was saving future generations - that would love her - from a tyrant by burning the present generation. If this isn't madness, i don't know what it is.
@third bolded Varys served under her father, so he has the best experience when it comes to knowing the King/Queen's state of mind, which is why he was bothered about hers. He had noticed certain similarities between her and her father which were huge red flags.
Jon's behavior stemmed from certain reasons... 1. Her suggestion to keep his mouth shut over his own true identity. That was actually a betrayal on her own side and showed how desperate she was for the Iron throne. 2. Her constant talk of how the people love him and don't love her. This showed clear jealousy, same jealousy her father had for Tywin Lannister because he was loved and respected over him - The Mad King - (Which was one of the things Varys noticed that bothered him) 3. She is his aunt. That's quite tough to accept with open arms.
@fourth bolded There are casualties in war, but when you deliberately choose to kill people because they don't love you like those in Essos, then that's nothing but madness.
The show writers made sure to show us the extent of Dany's madness when they showed that little girl hiding behind a wall, trying to avoid the dragonfire while her mother was being raped. Did you see how that girl was panting? the fear in her eyes? what did that little girl do to deserve this? did she participate in fighting for any throne? That particular scene depicted the ordeal of other children caught in the wildfire. Or Dany didn't know that there were children in Kings Landing?
@fifth bolded Dany will not make a better leader than Jon Snow.
1. Jon - as King in the North - bent the knee to get the dragon glass which could save the North from the Night King. Daenerys will not bend the knee to anybody no matter what happens.
2. Jon is the people's champion, which is why he is loved by them. Dany is not, all she cares about is ruling the seven kingdoms, she believes it is her destiny.
3. Despite knowing that he - Jon - is the true heir to the throne, he still went round saying "She is my Queen". Dany on the other side, wanted him to keep shut about "his true identity", that is expecting him to live out the rest of his life without telling anyone who he is. That is the height of selfishness and deceit.
Arya Stark watched her father's head get chopped off, watched her mother's throat get slit, lost her brothers - Rob & Rickon -. She didn't go around killing everybody in Kings Landing.
U need to look at the bigger picture.....once again..... Jon got killed in the Night Watch cos he did not master the art of Leadership.... There would be no Jon Snow if Melisandre had not perform her magic.... Jon nearly wiped out the entire North Army just becos he want to save his Brother who is good as gone in the Battle of the Bastards... U dont lose a war/and your banner-men as a leader just becos of one pun ....who is your brother.. Thanks to Sansa who saved the Day ......even though he warned Jon ..... Thats poor leadership skills.... U dont go abt tellin Sansa that you are the last male Tygaerian and askin her to swear ....thats too dumb and very poor as a leader.... Thats even Treason on its own from Jon, Tyrion and Vary...... What is the whole rubbish about bending the knee to Danny and still tellin the whole world you have a claim to the throne..... Very poor leadership skills.... U can,t be effective as a leader if you are loved by all .....Thats the most easy way to get killed.... In war, there is a thin line between victory and defeat ..... Dany did what is necessary to defeat Cersei...... Even the Americans did not consider innocent ones and unborn children when they dropped Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bomb.... I rest my case and will not join issues with you on this again......
@first bolded She took the same decision her father (The Mad King) took... these decisions were what made people conclude that he's mad, so if you're gonna defend Dany's actions, then you can as well defend her father's actions.
On the flip side, Jon hanged his killers, the people that killed him - Jon -. A kid who is bold enough to stab a man who had a positive relationship with him is no longer a kid, and under normal circumstances, that boy will be sentenced to death in the real world.
@second bolded Saving people by screaming "Dracarys" is poor decision-making. It was only going to take a little time before the switch flipped. If you followed her conversation with Tyrion in the throne room, you would see that she had made up her mind on burning Kings Landing and its people. Only Greyworm knew of it.
"Mercy is our strength. Our mercy toward future generations who will never again be held hostage by a tyrant." - The Mad Queen
To her, she was saving future generations - that would love her - from a tyrant by burning the present generation. If this isn't madness, i don't know what it is.
@third bolded Varys served under her father, so he has the best experience when it comes to knowing the King/Queen's state of mind, which is why he was bothered about hers. He had noticed certain similarities between her and her father which were huge red flags.
Jon's behavior stemmed from certain reasons... 1. Her suggestion to keep his mouth shut over his own true identity. That was actually a betrayal on her own side and showed how desperate she was for the Iron throne. 2. Her constant talk of how the people love him and don't love her. This showed clear jealousy, same jealousy her father had for Tywin Lannister because he was loved and respected over him - The Mad King - (Which was one of the things Varys noticed that bothered him) 3. She is his aunt. That's quite tough to accept with open arms.
@fourth bolded There are casualties in war, but when you deliberately choose to kill people because they don't love you like those in Essos, then that's nothing but madness.
The show writers made sure to show us the extent of Dany's madness when they showed that little girl hiding behind a wall, trying to avoid the dragonfire while her mother was being raped. Did you see how that girl was panting? the fear in her eyes? what did that little girl do to deserve this? did she participate in fighting for any throne? That particular scene depicted the ordeal of other children caught in the wildfire. Or Dany didn't know that there were children in Kings Landing?
@fifth bolded Dany will not make a better leader than Jon Snow.
1. Jon - as King in the North - bent the knee to get the dragon glass which could save the North from the Night King. Daenerys will not bend the knee to anybody no matter what happens.
2. Jon is the people's champion, which is why he is loved by them. Dany is not, all she cares about is ruling the seven kingdoms, she believes it is her destiny.
3. Despite knowing that he - Jon - is the true heir to the throne, he still went round saying "She is my Queen". Dany on the other side, wanted him to keep shut about "his true identity", that is expecting him to live out the rest of his life without telling anyone who he is. That is the height of selfishness and deceit.
Arya Stark watched her father's head get chopped off, watched her mother's throat get slit, lost her brothers - Rob & Rickon -. She didn't go around killing everybody in Kings Landing.
Arya stark was held by the hound during the scene..... U think of she had a dragon at that time, she wouldn't have set them all ablaze?
@first bolded She took the same decision her father (The Mad King) took... these decisions were what made people conclude that he's mad, so if you're gonna defend Dany's actions, then you can as well defend her father's actions.
On the flip side, Jon hanged his killers, the people that killed him - Jon -. A kid who is bold enough to stab a man who had a positive relationship with him is no longer a kid, and under normal circumstances, that boy will be sentenced to death in the real world.
@second bolded Saving people by screaming "Dracarys" is poor decision-making. It was only going to take a little time before the switch flipped. If you followed her conversation with Tyrion in the throne room, you would see that she had made up her mind on burning Kings Landing and its people. Only Greyworm knew of it.
"Mercy is our strength. Our mercy toward future generations who will never again be held hostage by a tyrant." - The Mad Queen
To her, she was saving future generations - that would love her - from a tyrant by burning the present generation. If this isn't madness, i don't know what it is.
@third bolded Varys served under her father, so he has the best experience when it comes to knowing the King/Queen's state of mind, which is why he was bothered about hers. He had noticed certain similarities between her and her father which were huge red flags.
Jon's behavior stemmed from certain reasons... 1. Her suggestion to keep his mouth shut over his own true identity. That was actually a betrayal on her own side and showed how desperate she was for the Iron throne. 2. Her constant talk of how the people love him and don't love her. This showed clear jealousy, same jealousy her father had for Tywin Lannister because he was loved and respected over him - The Mad King - (Which was one of the things Varys noticed that bothered him) 3. She is his aunt. That's quite tough to accept with open arms.
@fourth bolded There are casualties in war, but when you deliberately choose to kill people because they don't love you like those in Essos, then that's nothing but madness.
The show writers made sure to show us the extent of Dany's madness when they showed that little girl hiding behind a wall, trying to avoid the dragonfire while her mother was being raped. Did you see how that girl was panting? the fear in her eyes? what did that little girl do to deserve this? did she participate in fighting for any throne? That particular scene depicted the ordeal of other children caught in the wildfire. Or Dany didn't know that there were children in Kings Landing?
@fifth bolded Dany will not make a better leader than Jon Snow.
1. Jon - as King in the North - bent the knee to get the dragon glass which could save the North from the Night King. Daenerys will not bend the knee to anybody no matter what happens.
2. Jon is the people's champion, which is why he is loved by them. Dany is not, all she cares about is ruling the seven kingdoms, she believes it is her destiny.
3. Despite knowing that he - Jon - is the true heir to the throne, he still went round saying "She is my Queen". Dany on the other side, wanted him to keep shut about "his true identity", that is expecting him to live out the rest of his life without telling anyone who he is. That is the height of selfishness and deceit.
Arya Stark watched her father's head get chopped off, watched her mother's throat get slit, lost her brothers - Rob & Rickon -. She didn't go around killing everybody in Kings Landing.
At the scene when Ned's head was chopped off, arya was also held my someone from doing sth stupid and the only person that could've calmed Danny was Jon snow, but he knows nothing
If you got 10-13 mins to spare, watch this clip and you'll get to hear GRRM say his ending is similar to D& D's ending cos they've discussed it. The only downside from D& D was the way they crammed so much into the final season. It wad reported that HBO wanted to pay more for them to create extra seasons but D& D turned it down. They must have their reasons tho. GRRM interview is around 8-12 mins if you don't have time to watch it all
Hermionegranger: If you read the books, you'll definitely see it written there as plain as day. Laws can be changed true enough but as it is, it hasn't changed either in the books or in the show. Anyway, I can't wait to see your reaction when Dany dies in the next episode
it will surprise you that Dany won't die instead she might mount on Drogon and fly to somewhere far away from westeros, d&d always like suprising people, so don't count your chickens until they are hatched
Hermionegranger: If you read the books, you'll definitely see it written there as plain as day. Laws can be changed true enough but as it is, it hasn't changed either in the books or in the show.
Cinderallagirl: see this biitch, so because I made a grammatical error, you quote me to spill trash the person I was talking to get my meaning, but you pussy want to act smart, please endeavour to show me where you made a smart comment you dumbass slowpoke, see people like you should sit down before making a comment, or find where you put your brain before insulting person
Hermionegranger: Westeros IS the Seven Kingdoms. The capital of Westeros is Kings Landing. The seven kingdoms were separate kingdoms ruled by separate kings or Queens before being unified under Targaryen rule. Before what you call the "Targaryen succession law" was made, all kingdoms were ruled by men as of right except in Dorne. If there's a queen on any throne of any kingdom(apart from Dorne) that Queen rules as a Regent(holding power for her son until he comes of age) and not as of right. When the Targaryen succession became an issue, the current Targaryen king called a council because he wanted to use customs of the people he was ruling. The lords of Westeros made a succession rule to govern the crown based on what was already practised. Mind you, when that council was called it was still the 6 kingdoms because Dorne hadn't been conquered so Dornish succession law that favours women wasn't even considered. The Dance of Dragons happened because one stupid King decided to sh!t on the succession law that favoured him by naming his first born daughter who he loved excessively his heir apparent instead of her younger brother born of his second wife. You like every other person knows that all laws have loopholes which can come about by not contemplating an outcome or by new unforeseen situations arising which is exactly what happened when the Targaryen line presumably died. I've already told you what happens in such situations and until those things happen, that law is still the law until it's changed.
Okay you're right, King's Landing is the capital and Westeros IS the seven kingdoms. Which brings me back to my point - since Westeros is the seven kingdoms and the previous autonomous seven kingdoms (except Dorne) were conquered by the Targaryens who then began ruling as Kings of his newly formed seven kingdoms, what laws do the seven kingdoms now abide by?
Would it be that of the Targaryens that conquered it or not?
You know what, never mind that. Under Westerosi law, what happens when there is no living male heir to the Iron Throne?
Remember your argument is about Dany having a claim. Since she suddenly turned up alive and her father was the King who was rebelled against, are you now saying she can't have any claim on the throne until a council is called?
Why do you think Robert went all out to end every living breathing Targaryen including females if he wasn't worried about anyone having a claim? Even his own reign is illegitimate, he rebelled against his king and took over.. Kind of like a coup. So every damn person associated with Robert who sat on that throne is an usurper including Cercei. The only person who could have a legitimate claim at the beginning of all this is Dany, and if she can't be Queen because she's a woman, it doesn't delegitimise her claim, it only means she will have to produce a son who will be King. That is the claim she had.
