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| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 3:19pm On May 16, 2019 |
budaatum:So you judge a born again Christian by their ability to quote the Bible, and who are homophobic? Read his threads and see. |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 3:45pm On May 16, 2019 |
Shepherd00:No Shepherd. You did! Shepherd00:I know he might not understand what Christ's Church is but does "believe", the sole requirement you've insisted on in this thread of your's, he is after all quoting what he believes. And I'm absolutely certain he is 'righteous' and 'born again', so I think he more than qualifies to "enter the Kingdom of God", as you believe, despite what he says and does. Except you now add his fruits. As in that which one produces, which can be seen and measured and accessed and quantified as to its quality and amount and worth so one need not believe anymore but know. Or what say you? |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 3:54pm On May 16, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Tell me what you think of his thread. |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 4:18pm On May 16, 2019 |
budaatum:He doesn't know what Christ's Church is, but believe what? . That the Church is dead? Is there anywhere in scripture where it is stated that the Church can die? Is that believing in the Word of God as I have insisted? budaatum:Good for you. budaatum:If you think by believing in anything whether or not it aligns with what Jesus teaches qualifies someone to enter into the Kingdom of God, well, Good for you. I never said just by believing anything, gives one access to the Kingdom of God. I said Believing in God, His Words and what it says about Him. I'm quite sure that Apostle Paul was called of Christ, but he opened a thread calling Apst Paul a fraud. Does that align with the Teaching of Scriptures? budaatum:'One need not believe anymore?'. This seem like it begins with believing then to the point of knowing(?) First off, no one can produce the fruits of the Spirit without the Spirit of God indwelling that person, that's why you see the person manifesting fleshyl fruits hoping they'd pass as spiritual fruits. My case with you has been, how one can produce these fruits without believing that God is a person in essence, and that person/essence dwells in him, since he feels him not? You insist that we ought not to believe, but know, and I say, how do you know God lives in you when you can't feel him? I insist that first you believe what the Bible says, which is that God is who He says He is. The Bible say if we believe in Him, He will come to Us and make a home with us, by dwelling inside of us. We can't see Him, we can't feel Him, but we believe it's true, and walk thus. It is in Believing these, that we begin to manifest the things we are told, which are the fruits of the Spirit. Then you know for a fact that these things are so. It is at this point that no man can turn back again to say 'there's no God'. or that they have tested God and ve found out that there's no God. That is why we keep saying, 'No one who knows God, can say, God does not exist'. That is because you Know Him. Buda, Knowing God is the last stage of walking with God, while believing is the first. |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 4:19pm On May 16, 2019 |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 5:38pm On May 16, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Who says "you can't feel him"? Is it not true that those who can't feel God living in them is because God is not living in them, whether they believe or not? The person referred to is an example of a believer whom you claim produces the wrong fruit. I'm now asking what went wrong there and showing you the incompleteness of believing without understanding and knowing. A person may believe as much as they want, but as you yourself claimed, it is by the fruit that they produce - the evidence that we see - that the abundance of their heart is revealed. If their eye is dim their fruit also will be dim. And we can tell God dwells in a being by the fruits they produce and not by how strongly they believe their beliefs because we will see their whole being is full of light. Their understanding and knowing is what makes them produce an abundance of good fruit so that they light up the world around them with the Jesus that is within them. The only thing left to determine would be whether God cares more about beliefs than the abundance of the fruits of the heart. 1 Like |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 6:48pm On May 16, 2019 |
budaatum:Buda, you've touched Jehovah before? budaatum:John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Buda, this is how I know that you can't feel Jehovah living in you. You only know by the Supernatural manifestations that takes place in you. But, if you know otherwise, let me know pls. budaatum:Why didn't you respond to.my comment abt this Buda? Did Jesus say His Church can ever die? What do you understand the believe I'm talking abt here to mean? l know you evade this like always budaatum:Buda, are you saying the Holy Spirit is wrong in telling Christians to believe in Him? budaatum:We can never be on the same page abt this. i see that. You try to.fuse New Age with Christianity and you are resolute abt it. But, that is not how it works here. This is not abt fruits bearing, it's abt how we walk with Jehovah, Buda. We'll never walk with Him if we don't believe what He says and does what tells us to do. budaatum:You mean someone can encounter Jesus today and know and understand him straight up? budaatum:Yes God cares more about His people believing in Him. Now, I see you craftily trying to bring in 'beliefs', instead of believe. One can only produce fruits of the Spirit if one believes that there's anything like the fruits of the Spirit in the first place. Will a stack atheist know anything abt the fruits of the Spirit? How can he? Except he firsts accepts Christ as who the Bible says He is, and believe the Word to be true and do what it says to do by faith? You try to walk with Jesus wirhout Faith sir?, Good luck with that. |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 7:50pm On May 16, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Is "touched" the only sense you have? Pray that the Lord give you more senses and you too might 'feel' the Lord God Almighty in you Shepherd. Shepherd00:Yes, apparently. It was spiritual fruits that the pagan worshipping non-believing not born again nor regenerated unbaptized but doing good and shewing mercy Samaritan produced that made Jesus say, "Go and produce fruit likewise". But you've shown your inability to understand that I suppose, since you are too busy believing what of scripture you remember. Yet here is a person who is 'born again' and assumes to be 'righteous' believing as you claim that Scripture is God's Word, that Jesus is God and that He died for his sins etc, yet you claim is not of Christ. Is this not because you are finding that what you choose to believe in your head is not what makes you righteous before the Lord? As to "how can". I plead God's Grace, like I have for Paul and I since it's not by our doing, though if pushed I'd say by knowing Jesus Christ and understanding how it it that He saved us and by producing abundant fruit in our worship of him which shows that we have been saved. I think I'm going to have to wait for you to mature Shepherd. When you do, you will understand what God used you for in this thread and you will confess it with your own tongue. That's a promise. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 8:16pm On May 16, 2019 |
Okay Buda, it's time to proof scriptures wrong. John 6:28-29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life John 3:14-15 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 5:46-47 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? John 6:35-36 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. John 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:44-47 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. John 8:44-47 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. John 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, [Dost thou believe on the Son of God? John 10:25-26 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. Jesus' Sheep believes in Him John 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. John 11:15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him. John 11:25-26 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? John 11:40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God? John 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light John 12:44, 46-47 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. John 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he. John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. John 14:10-12 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. John 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. John 16:30-31 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God. Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe? John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. AND LASTLY John 20:27, 29 Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. Buda, pls go ahead now and bring up scriptures that Jesus says we shd know him first instead of Believe Him. Budaatum where are you? Budaatum, you are suppose to be dismantling these scriptures o. Abeg no fear, come and tell the world what you have been insisting on from the beginning of this thread. |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 9:15pm On May 16, 2019 |
budaatum:Okay, Buda, tell me some ways we can sense Jehovah since you know we can know and Understand Him with our SENSES. budaatum:'Yes, and apparently' side by side? Really? 'Yes' means absolute, and ''apparently'' means 'likely' How do you reconcile that? budaatum:And Jesus said the Samaritan was a 'pagan worshipping non-believing not born again nor regenerated unbaptized' person or you added that for good measure? YOU FORGET OR DELIBERATELY are Ignorant of the fact that no demon worshipper can be selfless. Was it not the same Samaria that Jesus asked a woman to give Him, a Jew water to drink? What did the woman say? Our Fathers use to worship God (which God?) in this mountain, but you Jews say we must go to Jerusalem. Buda, have you seen that the Samaritans knew and believe Jesus/Jehovah, even though they were Samaritans? Buda, Jesus was teaching against self righteousness which has no bearing in this thread. Pls note that Selflessness without any motive of gaining anything in return is of God, not of satan and his worshippers. ungodly people are greedy, courteous, and selfish. An ungodly devil worshiper will rob the wounded not help him. Stop taking scriptures out of context, only those with the intent to mislead does that. budaatum:I believe that he that is born again and called of God speaks the word of God not stand against it. Like I said, Jesusjnr may be confused now but if he allows himself to receive divine guidance, he will be fine, but, believe me, he is still far better than you. He believes in Jesus but you don't. What I choose to believe in my head? You mean me believing the Word of God is in my head? You are a funny Guy Buda. budaatum:You should begin by telling me how you know he even existed and that he saved you. How do you know you are saved? You look different from how you looked like before abi? Tell me, how did you know what spirit spiritual fruits were and how to produce them wirhout first believing as He said you shd? you know you will evade this too I thought you said God didn't create us to worship Him? Are you taking back your words? budaatum:I think I'm going to wait for you to post me scriptures of Jesus telling you to know and understand Him, when you do you will realize that you cannot fuse New Age beliefs with Jesus'. And you will confess (If pride will let you) with your own mouth that you've been wrong from the start. |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Baddiezz(f): 11:38pm On May 16, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:ok thanks |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 12:28pm On May 17, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Like you think I said "do not believe" too Shepherd? I think you like arguing with straw! Read through the thread and read my responses and stop wasting my time! 1 Like |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 3:08pm On May 17, 2019 |
budaatum:I thought you said? Hmmmm. This person. Observing you keenly. |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 3:11pm On May 17, 2019 |
budaatum:A thread running into 6 pages with you saying the same thing, now you claim I thought you said Christisns don't have to believe in Jesus? Are you changing your words because I hauled scriptures on your head? 1 Like |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 3:22pm On May 17, 2019 |
Budaatum, I'm waiting for the Scriptures Jesus asks that His follows seek knowledge and understanding of Him instead of mere believing in Him. I'm waiting. I see your dishonest friend MuttleyLaff giving you likes instead of joining his words to say I'm wrong. MuttleyLaff, come helep your friend o. |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Nobody: 4:28pm On May 17, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Budaatum is just trying to modify christianity into paganism but unfortunately for him christianity is built upon Jesus and his righteousness and no other foundation can anyman lay except on christ. 1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. christianity is not humanism Christianity is not human ingenuity or philosophy. chrustianity is about the gospel of The Son of God. |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Nobody: 4:30pm On May 17, 2019 |
it's impossible because to be his follower you must believe that he exists and he is worthy to be your lord. Jesus Christ is all about the faith life, the same way a human body can't breathe without air, is the same way a Christian can't live the supernatural without faith in Jesus Christ. Faith and believe although seems the same but are different. In essence you must believe. |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 6:33pm On May 17, 2019 |
solite3:He can try, but whether here or outside of here, he will fail. 1 Like |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Nobody: 6:38pm On May 17, 2019 |
Lolz! Confused set of "real devil" Christians, who used to be bonded by their malicious agenda against me, now that which held them together is what is pulling them apart. Hence my saying at the time of their unwarranted attacks against me that "thank God, God is not man, man is not God, man is man, and God is God." For if God be with someone, then all his enemies would at best be chasing shadows. I'm not really bothered about the spiritually dead christian that cannot even apologize for being a false accuser of the innocent, for what can such a hypocritical pharisee blinded with a mountain in his eye be able to see to advice someone else? My concern is for the christian I once said was better than some christians here while yet an atheist, who has now turned into a "real devil" Christian like once called those Christians who did same against me. But in spite of all such unwarranted attacks, I would yet say that the good atheist turned "real devil" christian is still by far a better "real devil" christian than the "real devil" spiritually dead Christian that said I'm far better than .... But my advice to this supposedly better "real devil" christian is to be very careful not to support ungodly and demonic agendas and doctrines such as that which backs homosexuality, for God cannot back those who don't represent His own Interest. For no one loves the gays more than those who tell them the Truth, hence it is not out of hate but out of love, for it's only the truth that could set the homosexuals free, not lies. That's why God is with Jesusjnr, for Jesusjnr represents the interest of God not that of men. |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 7:11pm On May 17, 2019 |
Shepherd00: budaatum: 1 Like |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 9:16pm On May 17, 2019 |
budaatum:You wld have to give a name to this god you refer to, because, the one whose name is Jesus it's whose own Words I posted out here. So, if you have a different Stance from what He says, it's either we are talking abt different Gods or you feel you can slot in your own thoughts. Jesus of Nazareth, (not egregore jesus) of the mystics, will not say a different thing in His Words, and tell you (an individual) to do something else. |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 9:19pm On May 17, 2019 |
jesusjnr:What are you slobbering about like a drunk? 1 Like |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 6:21pm On May 21, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Basically, he's stating which of us shall enter the KoG and which of us is going to hell Shepherd. I think while you'll be sitting to the right of God judging buda, he will be on the left judging you lol. 1 Like |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 6:24pm On May 21, 2019 |
Eberejesus111:So, it's a bad thing to follows Jesus because one knows what one is following? Would one not trust and have more faith in a God one knows than one whom one merely believes in? 1 Like |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 6:57pm On May 21, 2019 |
budaatum:Which God will this be? Egregore Jesus or Jesus of Nazareth who says except a man be born again he cannot enter into His Kingdom. Keep deceiving yourself Buda. |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 7:01pm On May 21, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Somebody must be deceiving themself because according to jnr, who also believes and I assume, is born again, you are not entering any Kingdom. Is that perhaps because he does not believe enough jnr? 1 Like |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 7:17pm On May 21, 2019 |
As I've said, the pagan worshipping non-believing not born again nor regenerated unbaptized but doing good and shewing mercy Samaritan whom Jesus said, "Go and produce fruit likewise" will enter way before you, a believer, likely does while you [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A19&version=NIV]believe and shudder[/url], unless your so called KoG is not the same as the Tabernacle of the Lord of course. 1 Like |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 8:14pm On May 21, 2019 |
budaatum:Lolzzzzz. Buda, by their fruits you shall know them, not by what they say. And, I'm not here to talk about Jnr, you can get into one of his threads and get it on with him. The next time you mention him here, I will ignore you. You are a gossip who tries to sow discord between people, and that is satanic. Whatever Jnr says abt me, I read them, you don't need to keep mentioning him in our discussions. Do you know Jesus said will happen to gossips? budaatum:I don't gossip Buda, so will ignore this. And, Buda, why not talk about yourself, since you believe you a better somebody than everyone here who believes in Jesus, because you know and understand him, other than Believe? This thread is about you not Jnr, stop being a bloody backbiter. |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 8:35pm On May 21, 2019 |
Shepherd00:I forgot to inform you that while you're more concerned about getting into heaven I'm way too busy living on earth the best way I know. And no, it's not about the better person. That's you're concern, after all I'm not the one who opened a thread to compare and sow discord.. And please ignore me. I'm sure you believe it's like depriving me of air. Let's test it to see if buda drops down dead. 1 Like |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 9:21pm On May 21, 2019 |
budaatum:Whatever you want Buda, Whatever you choose to do or be is what you shall be granted. But, you seem to keep forgetting that this thread is not about who goes to heaven, you keep trying to shift the attention away from the Op. You came up with the Kingsom of God not me. I have been about Believing in Jesus as a Christian in other to understand and then Know Christ better. budaatum:Buda dishonesty is not a virtue in Buddhism where I presume you belong. And it's far from being a virtue in Christianity. Christ hates liars in fact. I opened this thread to find out from you how one can know Christ who is a Spirit without believing in Him first as you claim. I never assume or insinuate at anytime that I was better than you for I know the pitfall that is. This thread is here for folk to attest to this. But, your self importance will not led you hide your pride by insinuating and even openly calling me foolish, ignorant, saying I'm below you to understand what you type. As, if it's a contest. Life is not a contest Buda. what you are or know, Christ enabled you, but if you feel it's all by your effort, good for you. Keep your pride aside and have a discussion knowing that people will read and learn from you, but no, you can't stop being haughty. budaatum:You are one tricky Human being I have encountered yet. You not only want to distract and take me off my Op, you want to set me up against Jnr. You take me out of this thread to other threads which are not related to this. you call me names directly and indirectly hoping I will be upset and respond in kind. What can you not do? Gossip is petty and queer on men. Stop it pls. 1 Like |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 9:48pm On May 21, 2019 |
budaatum:Shouldn't you show were Jesus says you shd not believe in him but know him? What happened to the Scriptures I posted? did you see them or you need mud rubbed in your eyes? |
| Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 9:49pm On May 21, 2019 |
Shepherd00:And I've repeatedly shown you one can know Christ without believing in Him first. I even gave you the example of Paul, who "heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” without first believing. Or did he believe before his encounter on the way to Damascus? But, alas, since believing is of more importance to you than understanding and knowing, I could hardly expect you to consider it can I, since it's not one of the things you've been taught to 'believe' despite it being clearly shown in the book you claim you believe in. You've, thankfully, allowed me to fully express my position here which is, believe, please, but those who can should seek so they can know and understand that Jesus Christ is indeed the Son of God. 1 Like |
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