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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by 9inches(m): 11:01pm On Apr 28, 2019 |
Funaki:Those are your mere opinions, they don't have any truth claims attached to them but you're totally free to hold them. why is it that Jesus and Paul didn't follow your argument. Jesus and Paul seems to portray God as a good guy whow doesn't do evil. Jesus started his ministry by teaching his guys in Matthew 5 to be like their heavenly God who doesn't pay evil for evil, who doesn't take revenge, who blesses both good and bad people (I begin to wonder if Jesus read any of the books of MosesMatthew 5:1-48 |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by 9inches(m): 11:29pm On Apr 28, 2019 |
TVSA:Cos 0 = 1 is an objective truth. It doesn't rely on what you or I believe for it to be true. It's not subjective. It is for sure your opinion that God didn't see anything bad with slavery. The first commandment says you shall have no other God, not "one religion and god." Deuteronomy 5:6-7, “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me." Is your right being violated right now? Are you forcibly abiding by these commandments right now? Again, yes, your moral indignation is misplaced as you admitted you aren't making an objective moral argument. When you start making an objective moral argument, we could then delve into the specifics of those acts you think are evil/wrong and see if you are making the right judgement. Until then, I'll keep taking you at your belief - that your idea of morality is subjective (made up by individuals). 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by 9inches(m): 11:39pm On Apr 28, 2019 |
Funaki:Matthew 10:34-39 "Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn ‘A man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36A man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ 37Anyone who loves his father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me; 38and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. Matthew 5:17-20, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Welcome to bible cherry picking! 2 Likes |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by TVSA: 1:05am On Apr 29, 2019 |
so much nonsense in a post. 9inches: give me one instance in your bible where your God condemned slavery. If you can't, then you're a fvcking dolt. 9inches:it's like you've gone obtuse that you don't understand simple English again. So "no other gods but me" isn't the same as "one God"? Are you being intentionally dorky? 9inches: This is the funniest part of your reply. It's either you've forgotten you brought up the idea that fundamental human rights were gotten from God or someone else is handling your moniker. My right is not being violated because fundamental human rights doesn't give a sh!t about your God. If your God have had anything to do with the fundamental human rights or if the rights were formulated using your bible, I would probably have been stoned to death or hanged. Do you now understand? the standard of morality set by your God has already been surpassed. Your God has been left behind. So shove that your idea that God is the standard of morality up your arse.
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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Funaki: 2:36am On Apr 29, 2019 |
9inches: I thought only your philosophy is wack, your text comprehension is worse. Are you feigning ignorance or you naturally reason like this? are those bible passages supposed to equate sweet loving Jesus with the blood loving despot described by Moses or Elijah? I can totally see where Jesus ordered his disciples to kill and burn down the people that opposed him or where Paul ordered his followers to retaliate and punish those that opposed him, imprison him and stoned him. I forgot to mention how Stephen called bears on the people that were stoning him. I said you should use your head. Religion is blocking your reasoning. How many people died in the hands of Moses compared to the people that died in the hands of Paul? Aren't you supposed to love your Lord more than anyone else? or can you love someone else more than your Lord and savior? What do you expect when your family and circle of friends are ogun, sango or Allah worshippers but you're the only Christian? You'll be on good terms and on the same page? What do you think happened to Paul when the Jews learnt he's converted to Christianity? They hated him and some even wanted to kill him. That's what those verses in the first passage were talking about. I don't know what the second passage has to do with this discussion. If you still don't understand, you can just repeat your usual platitudes. ![]() ![]() 1 Like
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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 5:30am On Apr 29, 2019 |
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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by 9inches(m): 5:59am On Apr 29, 2019 |
Funaki:Please explain this: "Matthew 10:34-39 "Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn ‘A man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36A man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ 37Anyone who loves his father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me; 38and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by RuthlessLeader(m): 9:58am On Apr 29, 2019 |
This guy is not alright. 9inches:Just read up on sociopaths, you have no idea what you are talking about. And about the subjective morality, you can't act out on your opinions if everyone else disagrees with them and will react violently to it. What sort of education or advancement do you mean? How educated and/or advanced were the people who proscribed slavery and how how uneducated and/or unadvanced were those who had slaves?Oh my.... Education and advancement in the sense of seeing how slavery was not good for those involved. Not how much they've learned. The people who proscribed slavery did not exist for most of history.What's your point? And your god is included among those who supported slavery. Because God allows us to exercise our freewill. By the way, the slavery in the bible is not chattel slavery. This same God that killed Israelites by their thousands any time they disobeyed his instructions(a.k.a used free will) did not want to challenge their views on slavery. This is very stupid. God can make a law that says that gays and fornicators should be stoned to death(even though they used their free will) but he cannot condemn and make the Israelites stop slavery. And Definition of chattel slavery: Chattel slavery. Chattel slavery, also called traditional slavery, is so named because people are treated as the chattel (personal property) of the owner and are bought and sold as commodities. Typically, under the chattel slave system, slave status was imposed on children of the enslaved at birth. Bible slavery: Female Hebrews could be sold by their fathers and enslaved for life (Exodus 21:7-11) Male Hebrews could sell themselves into slavery for a six-year period to eliminate their debts, after which they might go free. However, if the male slave had been given a wife and had children with her, they would remain his master's property. They could only stay with their family by becoming permanent slaves (Exodus 21:2-5). Non-Hebrews, on the other hand, could (according to Leviticus 25:44) be subjected to slavery in exactly the way that it is usually understood. The slaves could be bought, sold and inherited when their owner died. This, by any standard, is race- or ethnicity-based, and Leviticus 25:44-46 explicitly allows slaves to be bought from foreign nations or foreigners living in Israel. It does say that simply kidnapping Hebrews to enslave them is a crime punishable by death (Deuteronomy 24:7), but no such prohibition exists regarding foreigners. War captives could be made slaves, assuming they had refused to make peace (this applied to women and children — men were simply killed), along with the seizure of all their property (Deuteronomy 20:10-15). Hereditary slaves were born into slavery and there is no apparent way by which they could obtain their freedom. So the Bible endorses chattel slavery. These are your justification for killing another human? WowIn the same post, this idiot said: Physical death is merely a change of locationIn response to me questioning why god kills children. Now he acts incredulous at my reasons why people abort. Hypocrite. I'll also have you know that The Old Testament says abortion or killing of a child under 5 is less serious than murder. The father of the child or fetus should be compensated (not the mother). The compensation is higher if a boy is killed than if a girl is killed. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/abortion.html Also, in case you are too lazy to read your bible, it says that in Exodus 21:22, if a man hits a woman, causing a miscarriage or premature birth, but no serious injury, he should be subject to a court-mediated fine from the woman's husband. If this was the case, then the act of causing a miscarriage could not be construed as 'murder' since compensation was not biblically allowed for murder (Numbers 35:31) So, what's your new excuse? Not true. Our ideologies differ, our values differ also.Oh lord. People tend to have the same ideologies and they form groups with those who share them. Not only that God loves, he is love itself. I don't know about you but I want a God who is love and just to be able to use his wisdom to judge, kill or save. Isn't it funny you hate that God plays God and take life in his infinite wisdom but you want human beings to be able to take life in the womb? What you are doing is using your own subjective standard to make objective moral argument.A load of rubbish. God taking people out of this world is not harm. IF there really is life after death, then physical death is merely a change of location. IF heaven really exists, then taking people off the universe he created to heaven would rather be a glorious thing, not harm.Bullshit. I don't want to continue debating with you because you lack sense. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Funaki: 10:20am On Apr 29, 2019 |
9inches:I just explained it to you. When you follow Jesus, men will "hate" you. This was immediately after Jesus sent his disciples into the world to preach. That's one of the "disadvantages" of being a Christian. Paul at a time was narrating his ordeals to Timothy and he mentioned how everyone had deserted him. My former pastor started his ministry when he was a teen. He used to go for crusade and vigil. His parents didn't like the idea that he was using his youth to serve Jesus, they thought he was going to waste his life while others were serious with their life. It got to a time his mother wanted to disown him. Another example, I had a friend in the university, he was the vice president of his fellowship. His parents didn't like the idea because they felt the fellowship was taking away their son. Because the guy stopped going home during the weekend and he had to put more Time into fellowship work. It caused a disagreement between the family and the fellowship. The guy had to resign and leave the fellowship at the end. That's what that passage is talking about. Why did you bring up this passage? I don't understand. You genuinely didn't know what it meant or you want to hear what I'll say? |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by 9inches(m): 5:40am On May 01, 2019 |
RuthlessLeader:Not an argument. Just read up on sociopaths, you have no idea what you are talking about.I know what a sociopath means and I used it correctly. Check the meaning yourself if you don't know it. And about the subjective morality, you can't act out on your opinions if everyone else disagrees with them and will react violently to it.But that would be them putting their opinions above yours. If morality is subjective, it means every held opinion/belief is equally valid. You seem to be saying right and wrong is a numbers game. Or would you like to clarify? Oh my.... Education and advancement in the sense of seeing how slavery was not good for those involved. Not how much they've learned."....how much they learned." What's there to learn? Other people's subjective opinions? How do you start to educate people who are happy and contented in life having slaves and seeing slavery a good business? What's your point? And your god is included among those who supported slavery.My point is your assertion quoted below is fallacious. RuthlessLeader:And yeah, I noticed you included God among those who supported slavery. This same God that killed Israelites by their thousands any time they disobeyed his instructions(a.k.a used free will) did not want to challenge their views on slavery. This is very stupid. God can make a law that says that gays and fornicators should be stoned to death(even though they used their free will) but he cannot condemn and make the Israelites stop slavery.Yes, absolutely! Where there is free will, there is responsibility. Where there is responsibility, there is accountability and consequence. If God is truly just, then he should leave no sin unpunished. Physical death, by the way, is not punishment, suffering is. Dead people are not physically aware. And Definition of chattel slavery: Chattel slavery. Chattel slavery, also called traditional slavery, is so named because people are treated as the chattel (personal property) of the owner and are bought and sold as commodities. Typically, under the chattel slave system, slave status was imposed on children of the enslaved at birth.You ended up making my point - the slavery in the bible is not chattel slavery. You are judging the slavery in the bible through the lens of modern (chattel) slavery. The fact is, the Bible promotes an ethic of equality and mercy to the downtrodden, including those who were enslaved in the ancient world. In his letters to Christian communities, St. Paul described himself as a slave who belonged to Christ (see Romans 1:1, Philippians 1:1), exhorted his listeners not to be slaves to sin (see Romans 6:15-23), and encouraged them to be slaves to one another (see Galatians 5:13). Paul even said that Christ took on the nature of a slave and became poor for our sake (see 2 Corinthians 8:9, Philippians 2:7). His audience knew what it meant to be a slave—not surprising, since Christianity’s compassion for the lowly earned it a reputation as a “slave religion.” The second-century pagan critic Celsus once described converts to the Church as “foolish and low individuals” like “slaves, and women, and children” (Origen, Against Celsus, 3.59). This in no way mean Paul endorsed slavery or that he thought it should be a part of God’s kingdom. Paul says, "Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters, with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as to Christ; not in the way of eye-service, as men-pleasers, but as servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, rendering service with a good will as to the Lord and not to men, knowing that whatever good any one does, he will receive the same again from the Lord, whether he is a slave or free (Ephesians 6:5- ![]() Paul’s advice to Christian slaves was to endure their unjust condition by persevering in holiness. For example, Paul told Titus, “Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to talk back, nor to pilfer, but to show entire and true fidelity, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior” (Titus 2:9-10). A slave may not have had control over whether he would be enslaved in this life, but he could control whether he would be enslaved to Satan in the next. St. Peter also taught this when he told slaves, “Be submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to the kind and gentle but also to the overbearing. For one is approved if, mindful of God, he endures pain while suffering unjustly” (1 Pet. 2:18-19). Peter and the other apostles knew that slavery was wrong, but they also knew that it was better to conquer evil with good (see Romans 12:21) than to commit evil in order to achieve good. That’s why Peter asks what good it does for a slave to commit evil against his master and then be beaten in return. At least, when a slave is beaten for no good reason and does not respond with evil (in imitation of Christ, who endured similar abuses without retaliation), he will stand blameless before God (see 1 Peter 2:20). Every one should remain in the state in which he was called. Were you a slave when called? Never mind. But if you can gain your freedom, avail yourself of the opportunity. For he who was called in the Lord as a slave is a freedman of the Lord. Likewise he who was free when called is a slave of Christ. You were bought with a price; do not become slaves of men. So, brethren, in whatever state each was called, there let him remain with God (1 Cor. 7:20-24). This passage shows that Paul didn’t think slavery was a good thing. In fact, he implicitly argued that men could not own other men because God owns all humans by virtue of having redeemed them on the cross (see 1 Corinthians 6:19-20, 7:23). Being enslaved to men was an unjust part of this life that had no place in the kingdom of God. In that kingdom, everyone, regardless of socioeconomic background, is a slave of Christ, our true Lord and Master. That’s why Paul says, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Gal. 3:28). In the same post, this idiot said: "Physical death is merely a change of location" in response to me questioning why god kills children. Now he acts incredulous at my reasons why people abort. Hypocrite.Like I said previously, IF there really is life after death, then physical death is merely a change of location. We say, in praying for the dead, "May the souls of all the faithful departed, through the mercy of God rest in peace. In secular terms, we say dead people have passed on. I'll also have you know that The Old Testament says abortion or killing of a child under 5 is less serious than murder. The father of the child or fetus should be compensated (not the mother). The compensation is higher if a boy is killed than if a girl is killed. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/abortion.htmlExodus 21:22 says, "If men who are fighting strike a pregnant woman and her child is born prematurely, but there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband demands and as the court allows. 23But if a serious injury results, then you must require a life for a life. Only an ignoramus would assert that the bible does not consider a fetus a human life and goes ahead to quote a verse that refutes his assertion completely. A fetus is a life according to the bible. Only the creator of life has the right to take life. You were too lazy and biased to fact-check what you were copying. It's like a blind leading another blind. ![]() Oh lord. People tend to have the same ideologies and they form groups with those who share them.Right, and other people tend to have their own different ideologies and form groups with those who share them. You and I have different opposing ideologies and only one of us is right, if truth about reality is objective. But if truth is subjective (relative to each human being), then both of us are neither right nor wrong. When someone engages in a dialogue and/or changes a held view or opinion, such a person is subconsciously affirming the existence of objective truth that is beyond himself; a truth that is unchangeable. If objective truth doesn't exist, then there's no changing of the mind. A load of rubbish.Not an argument. Bullshit. I don't want to continue debating with you because you lack sense.Not an argument. Don't disgrace yourself and bring shame to your comrades, come on man. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by 9inches(m): 5:41am On May 01, 2019 |
Funaki:You haven't explained Matthew 10:34 Why did you bring up this passage? I don't understand. You genuinely didn't know what it meant or you want to hear what I'll say?I brought it up because of this: Funaki: Would it shock you to know that Jesus Christ is God? 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by 9inches(m): 6:10am On May 01, 2019 |
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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Funaki: 7:02am On May 01, 2019 |
9inches:See the person that talked about cherry picking. Why did you pick out Matthew 10:34? Was the whole passage not together? when you read verse 34, you don't stop there, Jesus explained what he meant in the post-text of the verse. The books were not originally written in chapters and verses, men put chapters and verses. Jesus explained what he meant in verses 35 downwards. If it's too hard for you to understand, read Luke 12:51. Luke 12:51 KJV Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 9inches: Hahaha, yeah the Jesus character is the same as God of Moses and Elijah, he just happened to forget how to slaughter children in their sleep or how to destroy a whole generation for the sin of their fathers. ![]() ![]()
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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by 9inches(m): 7:25am On May 02, 2019 |
Funaki:I am waiting for your explanation as it relates to this verse. Hahaha, yeah the Jesus character is the same as God of Moses and Elijah, he just happened to forget how to slaughter children in their sleep or how to destroy a whole generation for the sin of their fathers.What are you saying now that you know that he is that same God? 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Funaki: 8:23am On May 02, 2019 |
9inches: Chai, haven't I explained or you don't just care about people's response? Ok, let me help you remove the verses so you can read together as a whole and understand. Matthew 10:34-38 KJV Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. I expect you to understand now, Read everything together. If you still don't understand, read this commentary Our Lord warned his disciples to prepare for persecution. They were to avoid all things which gave advantage to their enemies, all meddling with worldly or political concerns, all appearance of evil or selfishness, and all underhand measures. Christ foretold troubles, not only that the troubles might not be a surprise, but that they might confirm their faith. He tells them what they should suffer, and from whom. Thus Christ has dealt fairly and faithfully with us, in telling us the worst we can meet with in his service; and he would have us deal so with ourselves, in sitting down and counting the cost. Persecutors are worse than beasts, in that they prey upon those of their own kind. The strongest bonds of love and duty, have often been broken through from enmity against Christ. Sufferings from friends and relations are very grievous; nothing cuts more. It appears plainly, that all who will live godly in Christ Jesus must suffer persecution; and we must expect to enter into the kingdom of God through many tribulations. With these predictions of trouble, are counsels and comforts for a time of trial. The disciples of Christ are hated and persecuted as serpents, and their ruin is sought, and they need the serpent's wisdom. Be ye harmless as doves. Not only, do nobody any hurt, but bear nobody any ill-will. Prudent care there must be, but not an anxious, perplexing thought; let this care be cast upon God. The disciples of Christ must think more how to do well, than how to speak well. In case of great peril, the disciples of Christ may go out of the way of danger, though they must not go out of the way of duty. No sinful, unlawful means may be used to escape; for then it is not a door of God's opening. The fear of man brings a snare, a perplexing snare, that disturbs our peace; an entangling snare, by which we are drawn into sin; and, therefore, it must be striven and prayed against. Tribulation, distress, and persecution cannot take away God's love to them, or theirs to him. Fear Him, who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. They must deliver their message publicly, for all are deeply concerned in the doctrine of the gospel. The whole counsel of God must be made known, Ac 20:27. Christ shows them why they should be of good cheer. Their sufferings witnessed against those who oppose his gospel. When God calls us to speak for him, we may depend on him to teach us what to say. A believing prospect of the end of our troubles, will be of great use to support us under them. They may be borne to the end, because the sufferers shall be borne up under them. The strength shall be according to the day. And it is great encouragement to those who are doing Christ's work, that it is a work which shall certainly be done. See how the care of Providence extends to all creatures, even to the sparrows. This should silence all the fears of God's people; Ye are of more value than many sparrows. And the very hairs of your head are all numbered. This denotes the account God takes and keeps of his people. It is our duty, not only to believe in Christ, but to profess that faith, in suffering for him, when we are called to it, as well as in serving him. That denial of Christ only is here meant which is persisted in, and that confession only can have the blessed recompence here promised, which is the real and constant language of faith and love. Religion is worth every thing; all who believe the truth of it, will come up to the price, and make every thing else yield to it. Christ will lead us through sufferings, to glory with him. Those are best prepared for the life to come, that sit most loose to this present life. Though the kindness done to Christ's disciples be ever so small, yet if there be occasion for it, and ability to do no more, it shall be accepted. Christ does not say that they deserve a reward; for we cannot merit any thing from the hand of God; but they shall receive a reward from the free gift of God. Let us boldly confess Christ, and show love to him in all things. 9inches:Sarcasm is lost on you. This is how it feels discussing with you.
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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by 9inches(m): 9:47pm On May 03, 2019 |
Funaki:Here's your earlier statement. Funaki: Funaki:Is this sarcasm? Funaki: 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 8:43am On May 08, 2019 |
I cannot think of a single person whose life was made worse because they started requiring evidence for claims before accepting them as a core belief. I wonder where we got the idea that believing things without evidence is a good thing? 14 Likes 8 Shares |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 10:27am On May 09, 2019 |
HOW WELL DO YOU SLEEP? If you could prove Christianity is true, you would become more famous than Jesus--he just told us to believe in him and threatened us with burning forever if we don't believe. If you could prove Islam is true, you would become more famous than Mohammed--he just told us Islam is true and warned us not to doubt it. Logical thinkers understand that if a religion is not true, nor are its threats. So they demand proof that a religion is true BEFORE being concerned by its threats. Logical thinkers wonder why religions rely on threats and indoctrinating infants instead of producing solid evidence for their supernatural claims. And they wonder why no one has EVER proven a supernatural claim. Logical thinkers sleep well at night. They are not kept awake by fears of devils, demons, witches, God's judgment or the heat of hell. They leave it to the sheep to believe fantastical stories without a shred of evidence, and to lay awake worrying about things that don't exist. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by awesomeJ(m): 3:53pm On May 09, 2019 |
joseph1013:I'll help you: The thousands that have their lives cut abruptly cos they were too arrogant to get s spiritual covering; The millions who die of incurable ailments when they could have been healed by faith; The plenty more millions who suffer needs cos they don't know the God that makes one richly abound; The billions who are now weeping and gnashing their teeth in agony in the underworld. Those are folks whose lives are/have become worse for failing to accept the simplicity of faith. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 6:10am On May 10, 2019 |
Olayinka Ayinde Somewhere in Nigeria, if you eat in public during the fasting period, you will be arrested and punished. Somewhere in China, if you're caught fasting during Ramadan, you'll also be arrested and jailed. You see, there are people all over the place whose heads are not correct. Some are in Nigeria and some are in China. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 7:38am On May 10, 2019 |
awesomeJ: Proof that these spiritual coverings work? The millions who die of incurable ailments when they could have been healed by faith; Proof that faith heals incurable ailments? The plenty more millions who suffer needs cos they don't know the God that makes one richly abound; Yet the poorest regions in the world happen to be places dominated by religious fervency. And some of the richest people in the world happen to be non-religious. The billions who are now weeping and gnashing their teeth in agony in the underworld. Proof that there are billions in the underworld now weeping and gnashing their teeth? Have you been there? Those are folks whose lives are/have become worse for failing to accept the simplicity of faith. How have their lives worsened for not believing in faith? Lies do not become truths simply by repeating them endlessly. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by CAPSLOCKED: 11:45am On May 10, 2019 |
MAY I SUGGEST THAT ALL CHRISTIAN WOMEN BE RAPED AS PENANCE AND PUNISHMENT WHENEVER THEY SIN? IF IT MAKES NO SENSE TO YOU THEN IT MAKES NO SENSE TO USE YOUR GOD OR BIBLE TO JUSTIFY ALL THE TERRIBLE THINGS WE KNOW. 3 Likes
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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 12:02pm On May 15, 2019 |
THE ARGUMENT FROM LEGO You can make thousands of different things from Lego bricks. For example, you could take 300 Lego bricks and carefully assemble them into a toy fire engine. When you're done, you have a toy fire engine. Take the toy fire engine and break all the pieces apart. What do you have? You have a pile of Lego bricks but you don't have a fire engine. You can make thousands of different things from organic molecules. For example, take 300 trillion or so organic molecules and carefully (very carefully) assemble them into a mouse, a tree or a human being. When you're done you have a mouse, a tree or a human being. Take the human being and break all the molecules apart. What do you have? You have a messy sludge of organic molecules but you don't have a human being. All this seems rather obvious, but billions of people strongly disagree. They confidently assert that when the disassembly is fully completed, some part of the human will remain intact and functioning. It can't be seen. It has no mass, it is not made of molecules or photons, or any known forces. Indeed, it cannot be detected in any way. We have an everyday word for such a thing--we call it 'absolutely nothing'. Even more extraordinary, they insist that these examples of 'absolutely nothing' can experience the world, have the memories, emotions, and personality of the disassembled human and be capable of enjoying relationships with other examples of absolutely nothing. And they are sure these chimeric entities will exist forever--even beyond the heat death of the universe! It is quite a claim. It cannot be tested and we have no way to show that it is true (or even possibly true). The people who believe it, do so because it is a tradition, or they have an ancient book that claims it is true, or perhaps they believe it because they like the idea. But none of these things are reasons to conclude the idea is true. It is probably fair to say, this is mankind's most enduring and most widespread delusion, but fortunately, not everyone believes it. For starters, I don't believe it. And neither should you. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 8:04am On May 16, 2019 |
GODS AS FASHION The litter-bin of history is piled high with discarded gods. Gods survive for a few hundred or a few thousand years but men grow tired and invent new gods, or subtly change old ones until they are unrecognisable. All popular gods begin their years of veneration in the minds of a small group of people and, through various means, expand their reach and become accepted by large groups of people. Sometimes conquerors impose their preferred gods on the conquered. Or missionaries convert people, perhaps with the help of incentives like schools, hospitals or jobs. When people convert, usually starting with young people, they grow to love and rely on their new gods just as much as they did the old ones. And the old gods are forgotten. The old gods lose respect and may even become the butt of jokes and ironic banter. People like to think their gods are real and their beliefs are true but the process of spreading belief in gods has nothing in common with how we discover truths—it has much more in common with fashion, glacially slow-moving fashion, but fashion all the same. Really, a god is a temporary fashion—not an eternal truth. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 1:24am On May 18, 2019 |
joseph1013:How many people proved science principles and laws they learnt in school conclusively before accepting them? 99.9% of all laws and science principle we buy into and build upon were never verified. We only read about the verification but no one has attacked science as a form pf witchcraft or dumb belief system yet. Wireless tech is just like religion and can never be conclusively proven to a carnal man but ho is challenging it today? |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by LordReed(m): 2:16am On May 18, 2019 |
CodeSapien: You free to challenge it and bring your evidence that is not as it is. Meanwhile the spiritual proportions have not showed us 1 single piece of compelling evidence. 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by CAPSLOCKED: 7:10am On May 18, 2019 |
LordReed: ..AND WE'RE NOT EVEN FREE TO CHALLENGE THEM. DOING SO GETS YOU HATE FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND EVEN DEATH IN SOME PARTS. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by LordReed(m): 8:29am On May 18, 2019 |
CAPSLOCKED: Abi o! I am so glad I do not live in one of those super oppressive religious countries, how fellow atheists in such places cope is to be commended. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 1:01am On May 20, 2019 |
LordReed:Just like wireless tech hasnt. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by LordReed(m): 5:43am On May 20, 2019 |
CodeSapien: This is a joke right? It is like saying there's no compelling evidence for light. Light and all wireless technology utilize the electromagnetic spectrum, all of them are testable, repeatable and measurable. Can we get same for "spiritual"? 2 Likes |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 8:43am On May 20, 2019 |
GOD, PLEASE COOK MY DINNER Some people believe God can work miracles, like cure advanced cancer or save people in terrible plane crashes. The Bible tells us that God can do anything, he can even move a mountain into the sea. These are extraordinary things. I would just like God to do something simple. When I get home from work late and dead tired, I would like to put my food on the kitchen table and have God cook it for me. Or, if that is selfish of me, I would like him to notice when an elderly woman, alone in her cold house, is dying from hypothermia and make the house warm for her. Or, if she has become too weak to get out of her chair, to make her a cup of tea and boil her an egg. Oddly, there is no known case of God doing any of these very simple things--things that almost any human could, and would, do for someone in need. God only does things that could happen without God--a proportion of people with cancer do go into remission, and sometimes there are survivors of plane crashes. But dinners do not cook themselves and cold houses do not make themselves warm. Think about this for a moment. It means the world behaves EXACTLY as it would if there was no God at all. If only God would just boil an egg once in a while. But he won't. 10 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by LordReed(m): 9:21am On May 20, 2019 |
joseph1013: But the holy spirit can help you find your keys! Praise the god! Hallelujah! |
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