pchukwudi:
Do morality, ethics and natural justice have any place in your philosophy of warfare?

Any acceptable rules of engagement?

Or do you really believe that in this present world you can do just anything you want, regardless of how amoral, just to win a war and there would be zero accountability?

Where do you think the saying all is fair in love and war come from

It's the victors that will sit down to write the history of the war and they will absolve themselves of most atrocities.

Once you lose that is it, You are the devil Lucifer weakling and everything terrible on earth

If you believe that in real life that morality ethics and natural justice exist in warfront then you have been deceiving yourselves

At the warfront human beings come to the basest most primordial level, our worst element comes to fore all in a bid to survive. If you have anyone that has witnessed a war before or fought on warfront they will tell you that is the reality have friends who have done multiple trips to Iraq, Afghanistan etc and don't let anyone deceive you, what happens in the front line is different from what the media portrays

It's after winning the war that the generals in starched uniform start whitewashing the acts on warfront

Assuming it was Hitler that won the WW2, what do you think would be writen about Britain and the allied forces

Did you know there were three different actors who played Ser Gregor Clegane (The Mountain)?

When did you notice?

For me, I noticed right in season 2 when The Mountain came to see Tywin in Harenhall.
But I was super confused after seeing him and was like they def must be talking about a different Cleagane.

The first one was Conan Stevens. He bailed with little notice to go be on The Hobbits. As Faith would have it, his character ended up being replaced with CGI. Imagine loosing on both ends. Now, that's what I call Karma.

My Thoughts
I think he was best suited for the role , he had this super mean face. Just look at that bad*ss scene where he chopped off his horse's head after his tilt with the Knight of Flowers (Loras Tyrell).

The second one was Ian Whyte. He was already working on the show as a stunts man/white walker. He played the role of the giant Wun Wun. He was shown in season 2 in Harrenhall with Tywin's escort.

My Thoughts
He looks like one day the directors forgot they had a scene with The Mountain in it and just switched to the tallest Opo ina guy they could find on set to play the role.

The third one is Hafpor Bjornsson. He was the final replacement we got to see fight the viper (Oberyn Martell) and all through to the end.

My Thoughts
I think he looks like The Mountain quite alright - just a more polite one. ........

Okay I'm just going to come out and say he's like a supernatural giant teddy bear.

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Seven Blessings.

What if, just what if Tyrion actually did all what he did all in the bid of tarnishing Daenerys' image. I mean, knowing fully well that Daenerys is hell bent on destroying KL. What better way is there to show everyone alive that Daenerys isn't suitable to rule Westeros. Afterall, the dude have shown that he's clever and can be extremely ruthless in a freightening way.

raumdeuter:


To surrender your leader have to be killed/ captured or surrender. That is the sign that a war is won.
Does WW2 count as modern warfare? Have you read what Russians did to Germans civilians when they entered Berlin
Google the rape of Berlin. The Guardian newspaper has it that "'They raped every German female from eight to 80'"

What the heck are you saying?? Did she make any move for Cercei to be captured or killed before she started killing innocents people?

highcollide:
The women and children are what cersie would have used to finish off dany.


Look, tyrion had misled her a few times, causing her to lose soldiers, fleets, her dragon, oberyns wife and daughters etc.....she started suspecting tyrion of protecting his family i.e cersie.

She watched tyrion reject the idea of attacking kings landing and suggesting the idea of diplomacy. It backfired.

Now, tyrion rejected the idea of burning the city to the ground and asked dany to stop the attack. Giving dany the impression that tyrion has someone working with city and tyrion is likely in contact with cersie. I suspect this because cersie felt relieved when the bell rung before dany burnt the city. Cersie had other plans which weren't disclosed.

I also suspect that inviting tyrion to tell him about burning the city was a test for tyrion given by dany, which he failed woefully. It seemed like tyrion was working with cersie to stall the ransack of Kings landing while danys forces deplete slowly.

Looking at her face when the bell rung, I felt she was mad because tyrion predicted it. She didn't know who to trust anymore. She didn't want to follow tyrions idea and lose another loved one. What should she have done? Ringing the bell, does it mean a heartless bitch like cersie has surrendered? Even when we thought cersie was powerless, she burnt the high septa and everyone including it.


Burning the city was the best thing dany did. If not she would have died or lost something that would start a chain reaction that will make her lose everything.

Hahaha you people won't kill me with laughter. The reason for her sudden mad behaviour has been explained. No dey find another thing to justify nonsense.
I saw some of you guys quoting texts from history research books. On top say una wan defend Dany some of you went on a full blown research. I'm waiting for the next episode, I'm curious as to what y'all will say then.

highcollide:
The women and children are what cersie would have used to finish off dany.


Look, tyrion had misled her a few times, causing her to lose soldiers, fleets, her dragon, oberyns wife and daughters etc.....she started suspecting tyrion of protecting his family i.e cersie.

She watched tyrion reject the idea of attacking kings landing and suggesting the idea of diplomacy. It backfired.

Now, tyrion rejected the idea of burning the city to the ground and asked dany to stop the attack. Giving dany the impression that tyrion has someone working with city and tyrion is likely in contact with cersie. I suspect this because cersie felt relieved when the bell rung before dany burnt the city. Cersie had other plans which weren't disclosed.

I also suspect that inviting tyrion to tell him about burning the city was a test for tyrion given by dany, which he failed woefully. It seemed like tyrion was working with cersie to stall the ransack of Kings landing while danys forces deplete slowly.

Looking at her face when the bell rung, I felt she was mad because tyrion predicted it. She didn't know who to trust anymore. She didn't want to follow tyrions idea and lose another loved one. What should she have done? Ringing the bell, does it mean a heartless bitch like cersie has surrendered? Even when we thought cersie was powerless, she burnt the high septa and everyone including it.


Burning the city was the best thing dany did. If not she would have died or lost something that would start a chain reaction that will make her lose everything.

Lol so she's gained everything by burning the City?

McSpeedy04:
What if, just what if Tyrion actually did all what he did all in the bid of tarnishing Daenerys' image. I mean, knowing fully well that Daenerys is hell bent on destroying KL. What better way is there to show everyone alive that Daenerys isn't suitable to rule Westeros. Afterall, the dude have shown that he's clever and can be extremely ruthless in a freightening way.

Lol so he wanted to show everyone Dany is a bad ruler by leading her to destroy his city.. Including his family. You guys are just looking for different ways to justify Dany's madness.

ChristoBam:

What the heck are you saying?? Did she make any move for Cercei to be captured or killed before she started killing innocents people?

The safety of the civilians of Kings Landing is the responsibility of the ruler of Kings Landing, not Danearys

If the ruler of Kings Landing choose to use her citizen's life to play dice then she is responsible for their misfortune

highcollide:
You people are avoiding this question. Where did the wildfire come from?

If no one answered this question, you'd have used this to justify Dany's action. Well, this one no fit work again.. Find another one.

ChristoBam:


Lol so she's gained everything by burning the City?

Yes she gained a total complete victory that cannot be contested when the people and the rulers have been eviscerated

ChristoBam:

Lol so he wanted to show everyone Dany is a bad ruler by leading her to destroy his city.. Including his family. You guys are just looking for different ways to justify Dany's madness.

As if if Cersie had won the war she would spare Tyron because he lead Danny into her hands.

As it is now it Tyrion would have been bleeped if Cersie or Danny won.

Lets wait an see what Danny will do to him. Thats if tyron no find him way to penis knowing what he has done.

highcollide:
You people are avoiding this question. Where did the wildfire come from?

Wild fire was planted in King's landing by the Mad King during the "sack of kings landing". His plan was to burn his enemies and kings landing to the ground . But all thanks to Jaime Lannister who saved the day. The kingslayer killed the Pyromancer who was supposed to set kingslanding ablaze and finally killed the mad King. His last words were "burn them all"

Even Though I stopped seeing game of thrones since they diverted from GRRM storyline.anyone hating daenerys for torching KL,does not know the stark realities of warfare.when a leader uses her subjects as pawns,you don't expect the enemy to show "mercy".
what would have happened if cersei had negotiated with daenerys to let her subjects go by surrendering.
heck,half the people here did not bait an eyelid,when they read about how jehovah ordered the absolute massacre of the amalekites telling saul to leave nothing alive (both women,children,animals and the men who didn't partake in the battles),dropping the excuse that it was old times,as if GOT timeline is in the 21st century.
My own advice is to remove the log in your own eyes before you remove the speck in your brother's eyes.

simonjassy:
Even Though I stopped seeing game of thrones since they diverted from GRRM storyline. Anyone hating daenerys for torching KL,does not know the stark realities of warfare.when a leader uses her subjects as pawns, you don't expect the enemy to show "mercy".
what would have happened if cersei had negotiated with daenerys to let her subjects go by surrendering.
heck,half the people here did not bait an eyelid,when they read about how jehovah ordered the absolute massacre of the amalekites telling saul to leave nothing alive (both women,children,animals and the men who didn't partake in the battles),dropping the excuse that it was old times,as if GOT timeline is in the 21st century.
My own advice is to remove the log in your own eyes before you remove the speck in your brother's eyes.

Oil dey your head.

simonjassy:
Even Though I stopped seeing game of thrones since they diverted from GRRM storyline.anyone hating daenerys for torching KL,does not know the stark realities of warfare.when a leader uses her subjects as pawns,you don't expect the enemy to show "mercy".
what would have happened if cersei had negotiated with daenerys to let her subjects go by surrendering.
heck,half the people here did not bait an eyelid,when they read about how jehovah ordered the absolute massacre of the amalekites telling saul to leave nothing alive (both women,children,animals and the men who didn't partake in the battles),dropping the excuse that it was old times,as if GOT timeline is in the 21st century.
My own advice is to remove the log in your own eyes before you remove the speck in your brother's eyes.

Someone is praising you that oil dey your head and am sure your head is swelling. You better ask if it is used car engine oil.

Stop equating the decision of God with what a human being will do.

We all know this is fiction and fantasy but we are talking about the rationality of the actions of Daenerys to burn down innocent people who were miles away from Cersie, people that never did anything to her.

Even though you have admitted that you have stopped watching.you still dont want to remove the bush in your eyes.

simonjassy:
Even Though I stopped seeing game of thrones since they diverted from GRRM storyline.anyone hating daenerys for torching KL,does not know the stark realities of warfare.when a leader uses her subjects as pawns,you don't expect the enemy to show "mercy".
what would have happened if cersei had negotiated with daenerys to let her subjects go by surrendering.
heck,half the people here did not bait an eyelid,when they read about how jehovah ordered the absolute massacre of the amalekites telling saul to leave nothing alive (both women,children,animals and the men who didn't partake in the battles),dropping the excuse that it was old times,as if GOT timeline is in the 21st century.
My own advice is to remove the log in your own eyes before you remove the speck in your brother's eyes.

Killing innocent people is wrong, I don't care if it's Jehovah or Danny. Why was Jon and Arya shocked? if it was right will they be amazed? So you don't feel a thing when you see innocent people being killed? especially babies, what have they done wrong?

Funaki:

Killing innocent people is wrong, I don't care if it's Jehovah or Danny. Why was Jon and Arya shocked? if it was right will they be amazed? So you don't feel a thing when you see innocent people being killed? especially babies, what have they done wrong?

Every sane person was shocked, like no one expected it. When Dany landed on a building and was staring at the red keep or whatever it's called, I was happy thinking Dany would ride her Dragon to the red keep and burn the building down. I was so shocked when she started with innocent civilians. You know she spent a lot of time burning civilians. I still say it, if euron had not delayed Cercei, she would have escaped. Then Dany would have ended up killing innocent civillians and the main target would be alive.


The writer made it as clear as possible that Dany has turn to a mad, murderous queen.. I imagine her looking up from the dragon, seeing little children running away and she's shouting dacarys nevertheless. The writers should be blamed for making her into a monster. No one should be justifying that nonsense.

I see a lot of them arguing that Cercei would have done the same If she was in Dany's shoes. That says a lot. No one is comparing Dany to Sane people like Jon, Arya, Sansa, e. t. c anymore.
Anyone can check my previous posts before that episode was aired. I'm a big Dany fan and I still am.


I'm hoping she ate something Varys put into her food and that made her delusional and crazy for a while. I hope she sleeps and wakes up the next episode and cannot remember what she did in Kings landing cuz she was drugged and that made her to go bazooka on kings landing.

one9ner:
The question is who will sit on the iron throne? I vote Arya Stark

which throne? Didn't you see the throne is destroyed? I don't think Dany is interested in ruling from KL any longer, she just laid waste to KL outta rage.

For people blaming Jon for not giving Dany the D to calm her, put him in your shoes, if you discovered that the girl you've been fucking is ur mum/sister, would your dick even rise after the discovery? Not to talk of passionate sex. The guy grew up in the north for Bleep sake!!

To understand #got, follow the storyline very well and relate with reality not character development bla bla... Anyone would do what Dany did in her situation, she's chosen fear instead of love and she made KL the scapegoat to strike fear into any other region that would want to rebel (her father's story comes to mind)

Lastly most people are rating this season badly because of they've kinda mixed the book's story with too many fan theories (YouTube and reddit finish work in this aspect), the TV series is very different, the earlier you accept that, the better.

highcollide:
How would she have known where cersie is?

Everywhere in kings landing was booby-trapped. From having scorpions at the edges, to keeping innocent citizens at the entrance, to having wildfires planted inside the city. Cersie would have gotten dany with anything inside kings landing.

I had a court case last year with someone with similar traits like cersie. He and his people, They fight dirty, the guy used bottle to tear and design his own body to distort evidence and kill the case. I wanted justice, what would I have done?

Guess what, I played nice and the guy, who actually tried to kill me, was set free!...

My brother, pray make you no get real life battle with person wey wicked like cersie.

Cersei did not plant wildfire anywhere. Those wildfires were planted by the mad King who wanted to do the same thing her mad daughter did. This your white headed wh0re is the weakest kind of leader I can ever imagine, someone who jealously burn people because they don't love her

Adek15:
which throne? Didn't you see the throne is destroyed? I don't think Dany is interested in ruling from KL any longer, she just laid waste to KL outta rage.

For people blaming Jon for not giving Dany the D to calm her, put him in your shoes, if you discovered that the girl you've been fucking is ur mum/sister, would your dick even rise after the discovery? Not to talk of passionate sex. The guy grew up in the north for Bleep sake!!

To understand #got, follow the storyline very well and relate with reality not character development bla bla... Anyone would do what Dany did in her situation, she's chosen fear instead of love and she made KL the scapegoat to strike fear into any other region that would want to rebel (her father's story comes to mind)

Lastly most people are rating this season badly because of they've kinda mixed the book's story with too many fan theories (YouTube and reddit finish work in this aspect), the TV series is very different, the earlier you accept that, the better.

There's a reason this season has the lowest reviews ever. All down to bad writing. Can you imagine d&d saying Dany "kind of forgot Euron's fleet" when she came back to king's landing. Many other useless plot holes and character regression.

Magnifico2000:

Lol.
I'm just happy that we that started watching long time ago are alive to see the end of the show . Many pple have died many are no more. But we survived.

And that my brother, is a blessing I'm disguise, most people covet the price, but they paid ultimately.

Let Monday reach some can all rest abeg.

I like how Nairalanders will quickly abandon this thread after the final episode.
Na una way.
I also like how it won’t reach the destined 1,000 pages.

I’m beginning to agree with the people that say Dany is not fit to rule. If the only thing keeping a king from massacring thousands of totally innocent people is the advice of his/her current advisors, then the king is not fit to rule in a civilized society, since there’s no guarantee that the advisors will always be there.

If people like Jorah, Ser Barristan and Tyrion had not been advising Dany, she would have done something like this a long time ago. I would not want to have such a person ruling over me. They underestimated her. We all did. We thought the pretty little lady was just spitting fire when she threatened to burn cities to the ground. She was serious.

Seun:
I’m beginning to agree with the people that say Dany is not fit to rule. If the only thing keeping a king from massacring thousands of totally innocent people is the advice of his/her current advisors, then the king is not fit to rule in a civilized society, since there’s no guarantee that the advisors will always be there.

If people like Jorah, Ser Barristan and Tyrion had not been advising Dany, she would have done something like this a long time ago. I would not want to have such a person ruling over me. They underestimated her. We all did. We thought the pretty little lady was just spitting fire when she threatened to burn cities. She wasn’t.

I disagree with your second paragraph. She always had that maternal instinct in her. She was a liberator. She was called Myssa. Look at the scene when she was so sorrowful over the death of the little girl Drogon killed. Which led her to chaining up her other two children - I pretty hard decision she had to make.

I just think it gets to a point in life when we get to our breaking point and just snap.

In the next episode, I hope that Dany will come to her senses, realise that she bleeped up, hand over the seven kingdoms to Jon, go to Essos to rethink her life for a few years under the protection of Daario and Drogon, and then resume her campaign to end slavery in her world. I don't want Jon to be the king because he does not learn from his mistakes and will probably be killed in a few months, but he has the best claim.

crackhaus:

"I killed my husband because it made me feel good, I fvck my brother because it feels good to have him inside me, i drink because it feels good..." Etc Etc.

Something like that right?


Yea I remember the scene, but that was just classic Cercei being dramatic with words. We all know she wanted Robert dead, all he ever did was drink, hunt, and fvck whores.. She may have convinced Lancel to get him drunk, but she can't be credited as the one who murdered Robert.

Like I noted in a previous comment to another poster, Cercei is just an opportunist not an evil genius, i saw it from the very first scene she was in and she remained so the entire show.

She actually poisoned the wine, through lancel

Seun:
The wildfire came from the Daenerys’ Dad, the Mad King, who wanted to burn down King’s landing after he lost the war with Robert, so that Robert would have nothing to rule over. His pyromancer had hidden wildfire all over the city, and was going to set it off when Jaime killed him and the mad king. Most of the hidden caches of wildfire were never found by Tyrion, Cersei and others who wanted to use it.

I beg to disagree. It is common wisdom. If those wildfires were buried underground, they wouldn't have leaked out the way they did. Magma, Napalm or whatever it was Drogon was spitting isn't that powerful to burrow underground and cause a spark. I take my cue from reanimated Viserion who couldn't get past a stone to roast Jon. While we saw the strength of the Dragon in a new dimension in the recent episode, we very much know they don't have the strength to dig out the Wildfires from underground the city. The wildfire is highly flammable but that in itself isn't enough.

I saw the episode again yesterday and it was obvious the wildfires were stored in the buildings that was destroyed. If this was the case, then it makes no sense that residential buildings were locked up and used for wildfire havens during the Mad King's reign and remained that way decades later. There is no sense in it. It would have been discovered by anyone and alarm would have been raised.

I strongly believe Cersei planted them as traps around the city while the unfortunate people of the city were her last line of defense. Scorpions - Wildfires - Human shields. It is a well thought out strategy that never materialized all thanks to Dany's rage. Saying they were planted by the Mad King a long time ago only to burst into flames within buildings as depicted in the episode is unsellable.

kenturkish:

She actually poisoned the wine, through lancel

Okay

So I discovered one strange thing yesterday, contrary to the belief of many about Arya and one said 'Green eyes' during the conversation of Arya and the Red Woman during in the third episode.

I'd try to recreate the conversation but those who can should revisit that particular scene:

Arya: You said we would meet again
Red Woman: I did...
Arya: You were right... You also said I'd shut many eyes forever...
Red Woman: Yes, brown eyes (Arya looks on), green eyes (Arya nods in agreement) and blue eyes (Arya's eyes brightened like she had got an idea)...

My point is the the 'Green eyes'. I'd like to believe it had happened, probably one of the person Arya killed and she seemed to approve by nodding her head but never did the same for the blue eyes. Fan theories suggest Dany or Drogon would be killed, I say fans are overthinking. I very much doubt Arya would be fitted into the cliché of being a back-to-back protagonist/heroine many believe she'd be. Dany might just go ahead and rule or forfeit the Throne voluntarily. But that she'd die or be killed? Neeeh!

KushCollectible:
I disagree with your second paragraph. She always had that maternal instinct in her. She was a liberator. She was called Myssa. Look at the scene when she was so sorrowful over the death of the little girl Drogon killed. Which led her to chaining up her other two children - I pretty hard decision she had to make.

It is true that she did many good, decent and kind things. But there are many men in history who have been kind and generous to their families and friends and people they empathised with for some reason and yet committed heinous atrocities. Hitler had a dog, and he loved that dog.

I just think it gets to a point in life when we get to our breaking point and just snap.

The world of Game of Thrones is brutal, and many of our favorite characters have been pushed to their breaking point and beyond. Arya, Sansa, Jon and Bran lost their father, mother and two brothers. Theon was tortured and castrated; his father assassinated. Samuel Tarly lost his father and brother. Jaime, a legendary sword-fighter, lost his hand. Dany was the only one who wanted to burn cities to the ground in retaliation.

Who would have thought that it was Lord Edmure who dubbed Baelish the nickname, 'Littlefinger'? Edmure Tully?? No, couldn't be! LOL Yes, that's what I thought too. Edmure in the show looked a real sucker.

By the way I learned that only yesterday when I began reading the books.


We should all read the damn books abeg. It's glorious!