olioxx:

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Even Canada has its own gun issue, but it is not publish in the media as in the US.
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olioxx:
. . I doubt this! . . Need explanation on this. It is kinda difficult to study and work in Norway as a foreign national. . .

Hadampson:



The required amount of money for blocked account would be increased soon mein Chef

Guruindahouse:
The only positive thing about Portugal is that, it is part of EU and their residence permit/visa can be used to travel within Schegen zones. Its a dead zone in term of job opportunities. Comparing Portugal to Norway is like comparing Canada with Mexico.

Are you going for studies? If the answer is yes, the thing about Norway is that, it's difficult to stay there after your graduation because the immigration rule is that you must get related job in your study area before work permit can be given to you. Let me state that while studying and doing part time job(menial job) in Norway, I am pretty sure that you will save reasonable amount of money during this period.

To be Frank, in most of these countries, it's extremely difficult to get professional jobs without a very good ability to speak their languages. However, if you are into IT and know your onions, you stand a better chance.

NB: UK has started giving six-month post study visa.

IchBinBrait:


At the bolded.. So sense has finally fallen on them. Whether they give 6months or 24 months post study visa,, prospective students won't forsake Germany, Finland, Estonia, Sweden, Norway... To me UK has lost it.. Before I gained admission into the University, I used to dream of living in the US/UK. I checked on some UK Universities online and saw their annoying rqts.. "Candidates must be willing to go back and develop their home country after their studies" and am like this is rubbish abeg...

The German Government introduced its zero tuition fee system for students from any Nationality and allow students stay as permanent immigrants with the knowledge that they will make good bucks outta the student either through taxes (for high earners), rents, transport fees, insurance etc and ensure that such student enjoy good quality of life... But UK did not reason like this. Now they wanna attract students. Mtcheew! Expensive country, high school fees etc with their unnecessary IELTS / TOEFL exams.. They just love to extort people.

olioxx:

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I doubt this!
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Need explanation on this.
It is kinda difficult to study and work in Norway as a foreign national.
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Jamestown123:
Are u in Norway?

olioxx:

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Even Canada has its own gun issue, but it is not publish in the media as in the US.
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ibrahimovic303:


Really? I never knew oh...sha one thing I have learned since I started living outside 9ja is that the West have as much problems as us, but they clearly cover it up and constantly use Africa as a scapegoat, that is why they have established stereotypes already and might never erase

Guruindahouse:
Links to show that students are allowed to work in some EU countries.
https://www.studyinnorway.no/study-in-norway/part-time-work
https://studyindenmark.dk/live-in-denmark/working-in-denmark/hours-and-legalities
https://www.hb.se/en/Current-Student/Admitted-student/Living-in-Sweden/Working-in-Sweden/

And with Estonia and Finland, I am sure students are allowed to work part time while studying for about 25hrs/week.

Can you tell where its not difficult to combine studying with working? From USA to Australia, its not gonna be easy to studying and working. Even in Nigeria, its not easy to do that not to talk of foreign land.

The point is to manage your time very well.

olioxx:

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I have read that article up there, but I base on fact. DONT LET THE MEDIA FOOL YOU.
The point is:
1. It is possible to work as a student (part time), even as a foreign national, BUT, it is rare.
The Norwegian economy is very conservative, considering their population(little over 5.2million).
2. You can get a job in Norway, ONLY, if you can speak the language. They might give you a waiver if you can get a very indemand job.
I hope that strikes a point?

Guruindahouse:
I am talking about menial jobs like dishwashing, cleaning jobs here. In places like Norway, Sweden, Finland, there will not be problem to get those kind of jobs while studying. They are using non- indigenes to do those jobs that they can't do.

But in a place like Poland, Portugal, and those second class European countries, it can be difficult to even get menial jobs.

I know what I am talking about.

Guruindahouse:
Links to show that students are allowed to work in some EU countries.
https://www.studyinnorway.no/study-in-norway/part-time-work
https://studyindenmark.dk/live-in-denmark/working-in-denmark/hours-and-legalities
https://www.hb.se/en/Current-Student/Admitted-student/Living-in-Sweden/Working-in-Sweden/

And with Estonia and Finland, I am sure students are allowed to work part time while studying for about 25hrs/week.

Can you tell where its not difficult to combine studying with working? From USA to Australia, its not gonna be easy to studying and working. Even in Nigeria, its not easy to do that not to talk of foreign land.

The point is to manage your time very well.

Guruindahouse:
I am talking about menial jobs like dishwashing, cleaning jobs here. In places like Norway, Sweden, Finland, there will not be problem to get those kind of jobs while studying. They are using non- indigenes to do those jobs that they can't do.

But in a place like Poland, Portugal, and those second class European countries, it can be difficult to even get menial jobs.

I know what I am talking about.

olioxx:

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I wonder how an intelligent young Naija citizen will go to another country and be doing 4th class job?
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Ggetter50:

You are not restricted to any working hours in Estonia, no limitations so far it doesn't affect your education. So, students do lots of hours to earn more.

Many blacks work in office in Estonia, working with multinational companies like APL, Arvato, Verif, TransferWise, Taxify, Wolts, DPD, ABB, Myjar, Monese, and more while some other students work in Bakery, Hotels, Laundry. It's very hard to seeing International students without any reasonable thing doing to make a living.

In Finland, it's rare to seeing black people working in offices like in Estonia, but your journey towards citizenship and amount of money you earn in Finland is better than Estonia. Day to day activities is easier in Estonia because of the technology compare to Finland. While both countries are tech savvy, Finland is more manual and to me, it's a little bit stressful compare to Estonia. If you have experienced both countries, you will know that, there is little or no difference in buying raw food stuffs in both places, especially if you are buying food from Lidl in Finland, you can actually compare that to Estonia. Meat is generally cheaper in Estonia, as well as buying fast food from the restaurant compare to Finland.

If you don't have huge money to put inside your account for Finland, Estonia is better as your chances of getting visa is high. But again, they don't have embassy in Nigeria. Ain't an excuse anyway because many Nigerian students have scaled through the hurdle.

To others, if anyone of you have access to Poland, Hungary, or Portugal, please go for it. We all have different budget and fingers are not equal. Don't be afraid that your life will be worst in the so called "second class European countries" but be happy that your life will start to getting better. These countries are ×5 better than Nigeria, and actually a stepping stone to greatness. Someone says Poland is cold, anyway, that's not actually a cold compare to Norway, Finland, Sweden, and Estonia. If that is your fear, then the Northern Europe ain't for you.

To be frank, more than 50% International students in Europe (Non-English speaking countries) are aspiring to relocate to English speaking countries. You are restricted to some opportunities because of language, but this is not what you can be scared of as many guys are really making it based on hard work and determination. Combining studies with work is not easy, but I bet you it is 100% doable.

I wish everyone all the best!

Thegamingorca:
when there's a will there is a way

Thegamingorca:
when there's a will there is a way

Ggetter50:

You are not restricted to any working hours in Estonia, no limitations so far it doesn't affect your education. So, students do lots of hours to earn more.

Many blacks work in office in Estonia, working with multinational companies like APL, Arvato, Verif, TransferWise, Taxify, Wolts, DPD, ABB, Myjar, Monese, and more while some other students work in Bakery, Hotels, Laundry. It's very hard to seeing International students without any reasonable thing doing to make a living.

In Finland, it's rare to seeing black people working in offices like in Estonia, but your journey towards citizenship and amount of money you earn in Finland is better than Estonia. Day to day activities is easier in Estonia because of the technology compare to Finland. While both countries are tech savvy, Finland is more manual and to me, it's a little bit stressful compare to Estonia. If you have experienced both countries, you will know that, there is little or no difference in buying raw food stuffs in both places, especially if you are buying food from Lidl in Finland, you can actually compare that to Estonia. Meat is generally cheaper in Estonia, as well as buying fast food from the restaurant compare to Finland.

If you don't have huge money to put inside your account for Finland, Estonia is better as your chances of getting visa is high. But again, they don't have embassy in Nigeria. Ain't an excuse anyway because many Nigerian students have scaled through the hurdle.

To others, if anyone of you have access to Poland, Hungary, or Portugal, please go for it. We all have different budget and fingers are not equal. Don't be afraid that your life will be worst in the so called "second class European countries" but be happy that your life will start to getting better. These countries are ×5 better than Nigeria, and actually a stepping stone to greatness. Someone says Poland is cold, anyway, that's not actually a cold compare to Norway, Finland, Sweden, and Estonia. If that is your fear, then the Northern Europe ain't for you.

To be frank, more than 50% International students in Europe (Non-English speaking countries) are aspiring to relocate to English speaking countries. You are restricted to some opportunities because of language, but this is not what you can be scared of as many guys are really making it based on hard work and determination. Combining studies with work is not easy, but I bet you it is 100% doable.

I wish everyone all the best!

Ggetter50:


Someone says Poland is cold, anyway, that's not actually a cold compare to Norway, Finland, Sweden, and Estonia. If that is your fear, then the Northern Europe ain't for you.

aodiba:


You are studying one of the courses I refer to as fine courses... With perseverance and hard work there are opportunities. Don't just limit yourself to getting job in Finland or Norway...
Great thread SIR Ibrahimovic303... Been following from the beginning
Shalom

olioxx:

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Very smart and concise post.
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For Tech - Estonia rules.
Transferwire, Skype all originated from Estonia.
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The only cons with Estonia is:
1. Low wage(salary) compare to other country.
2. Small black population
3. Language barrier.
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If you are good in Cybersecurity, C++, Mobile App Dev, Data Science, Infrastructure Building, Site Reliability Engineering, Web Dev etc then jobs plenty of Estonia, but you just gatz to learn the language and adapt wella.
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My point is:
For Tech & software, Estonia issa GO.
For Engineering, Finland.

cutegentility:

Thanks for your post, it is indeed an eye opener.

Is the wages manageable for tech savvy, because I'm considering either of these countries. So I will like to make informed decision.
Thanks in advance

Ggetter50:

You are not restricted to any working hours in Estonia, no limitations so far it doesn't affect your education. So, students do lots of hours to earn more.

Many blacks work in office in Estonia, working with multinational companies like APL, Arvato, Verif, TransferWise, Taxify, Wolts, DPD, ABB, Myjar, Monese, and more while some other students work in Bakery, Hotels, Laundry. It's very hard to seeing International students without any reasonable thing doing to make a living.

In Finland, it's rare to seeing black people working in offices like in Estonia, but your journey towards citizenship and amount of money you earn in Finland is better than Estonia. Day to day activities is easier in Estonia because of the technology compare to Finland. While both countries are tech savvy, Finland is more manual and to me, it's a little bit stressful compare to Estonia. If you have experienced both countries, you will know that, there is little or no difference in buying raw food stuffs in both places, especially if you are buying food from Lidl in Finland, you can actually compare that to Estonia. Meat is generally cheaper in Estonia, as well as buying fast food from the restaurant compare to Finland.

If you don't have huge money to put inside your account for Finland, Estonia is better as your chances of getting visa is high. But again, they don't have embassy in Nigeria. Ain't an excuse anyway because many Nigerian students have scaled through the hurdle.

To others, if anyone of you have access to Poland, Hungary, or Portugal, please go for it. We all have different budget and fingers are not equal. Don't be afraid that your life will be worst in the so called "second class European countries" but be happy that your life will start to getting better. These countries are ×5 better than Nigeria, and actually a stepping stone to greatness. Someone says Poland is cold, anyway, that's not actually a cold compare to Norway, Finland, Sweden, and Estonia. If that is your fear, then the Northern Europe ain't for you.

To be frank, more than 50% International students in Europe (Non-English speaking countries) are aspiring to relocate to English speaking countries. You are restricted to some opportunities because of language, but this is not what you can be scared of as many guys are really making it based on hard work and determination. Combining studies with work is not easy, but I bet you it is 100% doable.

I wish everyone all the best!

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Regarding wages in relation to cost of living and taxes, I will say, Estonia.
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For Quality of Life, Finland
Finland has some really high taxes.

olioxx:

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Lets stop consoling ourselves, and lets not settle for less.
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Washing dish? Tufiakwa

ibrahimovic303:
Regarding those that their minds are not made up as to which country they should migrate to, just take a bold step based on your resources...But bear in mind that migrating to any country in Europe besides the UK presents language barrier issues and of course, racism....So you have to be extra motivated, smart and possess one mind to advance your goals here...I will not tell that here is all heaven, but be ready to work hard...I mean hard...Before I got to where I am, I had even done cleaning jobs, dish washing etc...I know how many families in Naija that my salaries from those jobs helped and the prayers, before I landed an IT job...If you are not even motivated in Nigeria you cannot be here, because if your papers are right, you can be getting welfare benefits and just start living a laid back life, before you know it you are 50....Even in that Naija, na shoes I been dey sell for Festac and Abuja plus bricklaying sef sometimes...Na only God and my close paddymen from this thread from Festac understand sha....This is why I cannot rest here even.

Life na your ginger las las plus small jara in form of grace from the big man upstairs...

But wetin I know sef?

cydophobia:
I have a question bro.
Does it mean someone without work permit will not be able or permited to do any work at all that can allow such person to gather small money to enroll for a program in Finland or other part of Europe.
What is your input on this?. Thanks.

ibrahimovic303:


My brother, see ehnn...Let me tell you this little story from 2012 when I dey do contract work for NNPC, Carbon Black Plant Warri....We were on Night shift and down by two men, meaning those present had to work extra....So there is something in that plant called Mixer where the flows from the main refinery meets the steam in the carbon black overhead area. Now this area is like a mini engineering tank farm that requires experience...My man here, say around 48yrs at the time was mixing it and suddenly all the carbon black that should otherwise flow to the storehouse completely bathed him....But we continued...When we had a little break, he told me that everybody in his family are saying he is working in NNPC but how many are ready to work? I mean in plant areas? He told me that in the morning when he is going home in his jeep, neighbors and jobless youths will be admiring him but "If them tell poor man wetin him go do to get money, him go say nor worry I like the poverty"...The point is that las las as far as you can pay your bills, and can even send something to those families or friends in need, just do what you can....From my dishwashing job, I made contacts that landed me some nice football contacts! I never make better bar but I know say I go make am cos my ginger high, and I am ready to do ANYTHING to avoid begging my peers or whosoever...

Most people for Naija when I dey send bar to go just receive am then lock up...Europe hard for the lazy oh...A word is enough sha