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Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Jaqenhghar: 10:07am On May 20, 2019 |
salamudeen:No one is offended. On the contrary one cant help but feel sorry for you. The only ignorantis here is you. No knowledge of anything just the usual ignorant rants |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by darocha1: 10:07am On May 20, 2019 |
oz4real83: Make dem go ask danerys, cersei, unsulid army, baratheon and co. No one truly wins a war... |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Asour: 10:07am On May 20, 2019 |
dermmy: Seeing there has not been any World wars since (1945) world war II (a primary reason for the formation of the UN), In that sense, it'll be unfair to say that the UN has "Failed". Avoiding international skirmishes between/amongst various countries is almost Impossible— it's like preventing Senior secondary students in Government schools from engaging in fights. I agree totally with your take on the UN's role BUT the fact that we (the world) and the UN have been able to avert (until now) any major World-war scale violence is no mean feat. the UN would spread itself too thin if it keeps chasing any/every potentially violent situation around the world. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Efewestern: 10:07am On May 20, 2019 |
tescoman90: Any resources I lay my hands on, I read, I have read a lot about the Lebanon and isreali crisis, and they all point to one thing, Israel's inability to curtain a small group, now the group has grown so large. If you have opposite view, state it. 4 Likes |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by CardinalStools(m): 10:09am On May 20, 2019 |
You are a complete olodo walahi...the major forces in the middle East(all together) haven't been able to defeat Israel let alone the United States...and if you're speaking of the middle East always remember that Israel is the key player in that region (turkey just get manpower) they don't have the technology to conquer Israel and they do not have nuclear weapons (not even capable) but Israel does, in thousands actually and Israel is a major major ally to the United States....so when u say the whole of middle East please think it twice... 3 Likes |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by wingmanII: 10:09am On May 20, 2019 |
Efewestern: How did hizbollah achieve their objective? What was their objective? Ignorant much |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Dawudski(m): 10:10am On May 20, 2019 |
War with Iran would be as illegal as it is idiotic theweek.com May 16, 2019 10:45 AM Hmm, I Just read this now! It's very disappointing to know that some folks are even praying for War between these two countries on this forum. At the end, innocent people which includes soldiers and civilians targets from both sides including possible casualties in Israel, Saudi Arabia etc will just die for nothing.. President Trump. Illustrated | FilmColoratStudio/iStock, Miodrag Kitanovic/iStock, REUTERS/Carlos Barria The Trump administration is seemingly gearing up for a war on Iran. First President Trump unilaterally reneged on the nuclear deal with that country — despite the fact that Iran was holding to its side of the bargain, and indeed has continued to do so despite the American betrayal. Now the Trump regime is ratcheting up tensions some more, in what is pretty clearly a ham-fisted attempt to gin up casus belli for invasion. The New York Times reports that administration officials, led by national security adviser and slavering warmonger John Bolton — have drawn up plans to deploy a force of 120,000 troops "should Iran attack American forces or accelerate work on nuclear weapons[.]" That comes on the heels of the U.S. sending a carrier strike group and long-range bombers to the area in early May, and the administration blaming recent minor attacks on Saudi tankers and other oil infrastructure on Iran without any evidence. One anonymous official confirmed to the Times that the "ultimate goal of the yearlong economic sanctions campaign ... was to draw Iran into an armed conflict with the U.S." War with Iran is a monstrous and illegal idea, which could very well turn out disastrously for the U.S. itself. Trump cannot be allowed to start another war of aggression. The important context here is that France, the U.K., Germany, China, and the European Union itself are still party to the nuclear deal with Iran. Since Trump's abrogation of the deal and re-imposition of sanctions was utterly unjustified, Iran wants the remaining partners to hold up their end of the deal and find a way around U.S. sanctions. If they don't, the Iranian government is threatening (with perfect justice) to break the deal and start holding on to its enriched uranium. How might this work? As Henry Farrell and Abraham Newman write, the major vector of sanctions against Iran happen through the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunications (SWIFT), a Belgian cooperative that facilitates most international bank transactions. SWIFT is located in Europe, but because most such transactions are denominated in dollars, the U.S. has enormous leverage over it. Cutting Iran out of the system, as happened in 2012, badly damaged the Iranian banking system and economy. However, that round of sanctions happened with the agreement of Europe. By contrast, the E.U. legally forbade European countries from complying with Trump's new sanctions. The law had no teeth and SWIFT complied with Trump, but the E.U. has since developed a "Special Purpose Vehicle" which allows for transactions between Iran and Europe. So far it has only been used for humanitarian trade, but it could easily be used for normal trade as well. Indeed, it could well be the first step in Europe (perhaps along with China) developing an alternative financial infrastructure which would break U.S. control over international transactions. So all this belligerent aggression may well break the sanctions infrastructure Trump loves so much (though that would probably be a good thing at this point, to be fair). More importantly, launching an unprovoked invasion of Iran would be illegal. Wars of aggression are categorically forbidden under the U.N. Charter, which was duly passed by the Senate and is thus constitutionally binding. There is not even any enabling legislation as there was with Iraq in 2002. America also has zero significant international support. On the contrary, a top U.K. general said he saw no increased risk from Iran or its proxies, and Spain pulled its frigate out of the carrier strike group headed to Iran in protest. On balance, Iran is acting with remarkable restraint given blatant U.S. provocation, backstabbing, and bullying. It's also worth noting, once again, that Iran has a far more formidable military than Saddam Hussein's rattletrap battalions in 2003. As former U.S. Army General John Abazaid has said, Iranian forces are the strongest in the Middle East outside of Israel. It also has more than twice the population and nearly four times the landmass of Iraq, with much more rugged terrain — allowing for more effective guerrilla tactics, as American forces have learned at great cost in Afghanistan. Indeed, the Pentagon itself conducted war games simulating a conflict with Iran in 2002. The "Iranian" commander, General Paul K. Van Riper, noting American dominance of electronic communications, used motorcycle couriers to transmit messages and lights to land planes without radio. When U.S. naval forces arrived with a surrender ultimatum, Riper launched a surprise mass missile attack that sank a carrier and 15 other ships — causing 20,000 virtual casualties in minutes. Then he launched a swarm attack of small boats, and sank several more ships. Naturally, the top brass responded by restarting the exercise and granting cheat codes to the "American" side so they could not lose. Riper quit in the middle of the exercise, and later commented that "it simply became a scripted exercise. They had a predetermined end, and they scripted the exercise to that end." Now, Iran might well fold easily in the face of a U.S. assault. But their force structure closely resembles the Riper model, largely based around asymmetric combat. Their navy has few conventional ships, but swarms of small, heavily-armed fast attack boats, mines, mini-submarines, and disguised civilian ships. U.S. ships would no doubt be able to pick off many of them, but it would only take a few lucky torpedo hits to sink even the largest vessels. The American military clearly has a bad case of imperial arrogance. Americans in general have become used to easily steamrolling conventional forces, and only suffering relatively few combat deaths even in counterinsurgency wars. But if Iran were to sink just the carrier flagship in the strike group, over 6,000 sailors and airmen could be killed. That's nearly a quarter more U.S. military personnel than have died in the entire Iraq War — and it could easily be far, far worse. Many times that number might die in a prolonged war and occupation — not to mention the untold thousands of innocent Iranians who would die for no reason at all. Only a blustering, bloodthirsty idiot like John Bolton could dismiss such a risk. If the United States weren't so powerful it would be seen for what it is — a rogue state and a threat to international peace. But at least we Americans can try to stop a horrifying disaster before it starts. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by 2metrelaurie(m): 10:10am On May 20, 2019 |
dermmy:Iran that couldn't even defeat shithole iraqistan |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Butoneday2(m): 10:11am On May 20, 2019 |
salamudeen:Ur'e a basta.rd by calling christians here. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Nobody: 10:11am On May 20, 2019 |
CaptainMarvel:Iran is not like the old Persia, this same Iran was threatened by Saddam, a couple of decades ago,they are not that strong as you think, they are stretched at their current level of technological advancements, aided by the Russians, but heavy weaponries from Western countries comes with heavy prices and trade/economic agreement and concessions...they have some resources yes, but you need machines, experts and other materials...Iran's war machines and level of advancement is obsolete compared to US...only Russia comes close. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by NazNation: 10:11am On May 20, 2019 |
People who know whats up and the truth knows that all these attacks are being staged by America in a bid to look for a reason to attack Iran... This is what is called a FALSE FLAG OPERATION... i believe even explorers knows this |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Butoneday2(m): 10:12am On May 20, 2019 |
salamudeen:Ur'e a basta.rd by calling christians here. Stup.id element 1 Like |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Almunjid(m): 10:12am On May 20, 2019 |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Efewestern: 10:14am On May 20, 2019 |
RTSC: Iraq was not stronger than Iran then, Iraq only thought of Invading Iran because of his allies and the upcoming sanctions eating Iran up, so Saddam Hussein thought that would be a perfect time to strike. Even after he started the war, he couldn't move deep into Iran before Iran chanced him out, and Iraq was now on a defensive battle instead of Offensive. Iraq can't be stronger than Iran then, if Iran had gotten the level of supports Iraq got, they would have captured the entire Iraq. America will destroy Iran, no doubt, but the issue is that you feel it will cost US nothing, which is not true, Iran unlike Iraq has been preparing for foreign invasion since after their relationship went sour with US, so they invested a lot in defense, Iraq never thought his so called allies would invade him, so two different scenarios. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Almunjid(m): 10:15am On May 20, 2019 |
Ifesinachi22:To me, ordinary China pass US. No be by Bragging ![]() |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by OBAGADAFFI: 10:17am On May 20, 2019 |
RTSC: So true Iraq was far stronger than Iran, yet Iraq crumbled . America is too big for Iran. They should allow Israel hnel Iran. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by CaptainMarvel(m): 10:17am On May 20, 2019 |
distributeinc:I don't agree with your postulations. But nevertheless there's isn't going to be a war. there's too much at stake for both countries and the world at large. thank you |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Austineva(m): 10:17am On May 20, 2019 |
Efewestern:its time to take ur panadol extra. It will help u better |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by HBB1(m): 10:18am On May 20, 2019 |
Efewestern: The same thing they said about Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Bro, power pass power! 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by CardinalStools(m): 10:18am On May 20, 2019 |
Easily obliterate Israel you say..sorry oo but which israel are you talking about? Olodoquoteor=CaptainMarvel post=78546117] You forget to add that they are strong allies with Russia and China. The North Koreans will definitely join the fight cos they ll see it as an opportunity to take it on against the U.S plus Iran is an extremely rich country. they have enough resources to back them up for a fight. And also they can simply obliterate isreal in retaliation to any us attack. But one on one, Iran can't withstand the U.S[/quote] |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by BrownRoofRep: 10:21am On May 20, 2019 |
AroleOduduwa2:War with Iran cannot cripple America Economy. Do you we even have calling that war? That would be nothings but a broad daylight rape. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by RTSC: 10:22am On May 20, 2019 |
Efewestern:. Iraq was the greater power in the region before America ended their reign. How exactly would it cost America? Maybe a few hundred men that would be sent to the ground, that is all. I doubt if the US would lose a single asset. America has now unveiled missiles that would zap out electronics of enemy nations by releasing powerful microwaves. Like a super electromagnetic pulse. The battle could be over before it even starts. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7037549/Air-Force-deployed-20-missiles-fry-military-electronics-North-Korea-Iran.html 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by majamajic(m): 10:23am On May 20, 2019 |
salamudeen: it's not about size, Iran is a very big threat, if u wan talk about size, Israel is smaller than Nigeria, yet no one threatens them including US , Russia , China , Iran , Iraq or Egypt |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by NazNation: 10:23am On May 20, 2019 |
A lot of people in this Nigeria are just too ignorant about international politics and its clearly evident here on Nairaland... Truth is if you know, the US is looking and has been for quite sometime, a way to attack iran based on flimsy claims... You people need to know that the so called world Savior US is actually the worst and most evil country on earth 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Efewestern: 10:23am On May 20, 2019 |
wingmanII: * Get Isreal to leave Lebanon * Remain active despite Israel's ultimate plan to eliminate them * Remain a resistant block in Lebanon against Isreal's land grabbing antics What objective did Israel ever accomplished the two times they met with Hezbollah? 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by BrownRoofRep: 10:23am On May 20, 2019 |
Almunjid:Then let your terrorist brothers try him let's see how to do comedy with their uncircumcised dikcs. 2 Likes |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by CardinalStools(m): 10:23am On May 20, 2019 |
[quote author=NORSIYK post=78547544] Lolzz ...very valid question tho |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by BrownRoofRep: 10:24am On May 20, 2019 |
majamajic:China, Russia and America will all easily delete Israel from existence. 1 Like |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by CardinalStools(m): 10:27am On May 20, 2019 |
Coming from salamudeen, so I don't expect much.....if Iran is in position of America today, Their will b no America and Israel...true 3 Likes |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Nkc22: 10:31am On May 20, 2019 |
Efewestern: Bro, you spoke with facts but don't leave out some vital truths...In that Lebanon war between Hezbollah and Isreal, Iranian military came to the support of the Hezbollah before and during the war...That alone nullifies some points you raised here... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Lonelypacifist6: 10:31am On May 20, 2019 |
America a Warmonger state, America wouldn't strike Iran because it has a mutual defence pact with Russia and india |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by justli: 10:33am On May 20, 2019 |
panafrican: God bless you for this post. The main stream media would never see that. They will never see that Trump has singlehandedly ensured that Syrians are going back to their home land. He has withdrawn thousands of us soldiers from the region. Iran threatening US is looking for trouble the Trump would be more than willing to help them find. |
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