LoJ:
I am not sure that we share the same understanding of the GWB.

Well, we can't exactly say since you are "very reluctant to write it here or even use" it. But weren't you the one who did use it though?

Babacele:
We are talking about your ' friend' . Suddenly you have developed a cold feet.

You called my Friend a lair then brought up your father making it seem like you are right and i'm wrong.

Baba, you want to proof that AMORC is harmless by posting some numbers without a name or more details about whose number those were.

Cele, if I'm wrong and you are right, then provide verifiable info about your ex-AMORC Dad.


It's established that there's nothing I will post here that you won't call it a lie. so, go on post yours Dad's so that wen I post my friend's, based on your Dad's the general public will know if I'm wrong or not.

You know what? I don't care, you choose your path, but keep Jesus of Nazareth out of your filthy darkness.

This is clearly way above your level of 'believing' Shepherd. Take it up with those who have time for you.

Shepherd00:

Fair Enough.

Babacele:
You are a liar hence you are afraid to expose your lies. Let us go find out at my cost and come back to report to the world through Nairaland. I'm sure that is fair enough.

Will you believe or not?

You won't answer that. And, I'm waiting for your Dad's full details.

budaatum:
This is clearly way above your level of 'believing' Shepherd. Take it up with those who have time for you.

Yes, Buda, this is what I've been trying to tell you from the first page of this thread. You and I don't belong to the same level. For;
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1 Corinthians 1:27-28

You are far too knowledgeable to be a Christian, for Christ didn't come looking for people who and more intelligent than Him. He came for the meek and lowly. the teachable.


[b]Where is the wise 'Budaatum'? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world 'Budaatum'? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God (the world by wisdom knew not God,) it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them ~~~that believe.~~~

And, Buda, you failed Woefully as everyone has seen the fraud that you are. You cannot be a follower of Jesus if you are not a Christian, and you say you are not. So, mind your Buddhism or whatever you believe in, and stop summersaulting scriptures hoping you'd mislead someone. this sin is unpardonable.


~~~~ Thinking you're in heaven but you're living in hell. Time alone. Oh, time will tell, thinking you're in heaven but you're living hell ~~~~ Bob Marley.

Shepherd00:

You cannot be a follower of Jesus if you are not a Christian, and you say you are not. So, mind your Buddhism or whatever you believe in, and stop summersaulting scriptures hoping you'd mislead someone. this sin is unpardonable.

It seems to be a great concern of your's what buda does or says so go on and throw buda in Shepherd's hell and let us know who cares what you think.

Meanwhile, Jesus Christ the Messiah is Lord.

Shepherd00:

He is not? Who then is he?

Jesus is Jesus. Did your own Bible say Jesus is Jehovah?

budaatum:

It seems to be a great concern of your's what buda does or says so go on and throw buda in Shepherd's hell and let us know who cares what you think.

You were an atheist who didn't believe in God. You said all.sorts of things against God. You supported your homosexuality, Go back and check, you'd never see me quoting or mentioning you, for what nah?
But when you claim you are for Christ and use the Word albeit wrongly, whether or not you like it, you are asking for a rebuke.

Buda, i'd not care if Buda will stop using Scriptures (the same ones he believes is propaganda) out of whatever he says here. I will not stand by and watch you falsify Scriptures because you feel you can. I can definitely not stop you from doing this, but as long as I'm here, any post you make with twisted-out-of- context- Word, I will call you out, except I didn't see it

budaatum:

Meanwhile, Jesus Christ the Messiah is Lord.

Even satan knows that and he trembles at the mere thought of it.

You didn't say what Jesus went to do in Egypt.

OnPointMan:
Jesus is Jesus. Did your own Bible say Jesus is Jehovah?

Yes my own says he is. Your own doesn't?

budaatum:

It seems to be a great concern of your's what buda does or says so go on and throw buda in Shepherd's hell and let us know who cares what you think.

Meanwhile, Jesus Christ the Messiah is Lord.

See how you're jumping all over the place? I didn't even know we are in this thread? What happened to the thread with this Op.

Gwwad, I hate dishonesty.

budaatum:

Well, we can't exactly say since you are "very reluctant to write it here or even use" it. But weren't you the one who did use it though?

I am not the one who brought it up here. The mention of the GWB was initiated by my bro up there. Kindly read the conversation again. How do I respond to him without mentioning it?

LoJ:

I am not the one who brought it up here. The mention of the GWB was initiated by my bro up there. Kindly read the conversation again. How do I respond to him without mentioning it?

Apologies! I've found Baba's post on the subject, and if I'd seen it at the time I would have informed him that the knowledge of Rosicrucianism is not from some gwb. He mentioned "the days of Pharaoh Akhenaten", and he was not exactly 'white'.

But let me.

Babacele:
The Great White Brotherhood from the days of Pharaoh Akhenaten who brought monotheism .

The knowledge you speak of is from way more sources than the two you mention here Baba. You'd be amazed what was written in Hindu philosophy as well as Buddhist and Jainist philosophy for instance, but like the River Niger, some things don't appear to exist until Mungo Park says they do.

Aside, if you both could, perhaps see my input here as adding to and not making out I know more than anybody else. I don't. But if we all contribute our small loaf and fish perhaps millions will be fed.

Shepherd00:

You said all.sorts of things against God.

Where? Liar!

budaatum:

Where? Liar!

You Win Buda. You are very sincere and honest. You were never an atheist and do not support Homosexuality, that's okay. You Win.

Shepherd00:

You Win Buda. You are very sincere and honest. You were never an atheist and do not support Homosexuality, that's okay. You Win.

I'm sure you said "bye"! What you doing back already?I'd ask you to stop the shameless lying shepherd, but I doubt you possibly can. Anyway, and just so it's clear, Atheist. Probably longer than you've lived shepherd, and some even said the only true atheist on here. Now, Jesus is Lord, amen.

And not joining in your unhealthily obsession with homosexuality and gay bashing is not the same as "support homosexuality" shepherd.

Here's a post from April 2018. Learn to read and understand instead of believing the crap in your head and accusing others of it!

budaatum:
No one says it is "automatically morally acceptable". What a verily heavily weigh down phrase that is by the way.

First, there was nothing 'automatic' about the acceptable of homosexuality in societies where it has been accepted as you very well know. In countries where it is accepted, its acceptability came after very many years of the homosexual crime of sodomy for which many were jailed, regardless of whether sodomy actually occurred or not, mind. I recently posted numerous apologies proffered by numerous countries for such prosecutions, and there was quite a lot of protest against, and advocacy for, before it was deemed acceptable. They actually went through the same discourse we are going through in Nigeria, and even moreso, considering homosexuality has been going on more openly in those countries than it has amongst us.

Then there is the issue of its 'morality'. Those countries that have deemed homosexuality as acceptable have decided it is not wrong for two adults to engage in same gender sex provided they both consent. The Church of England held out against it for years after the Equality Act was passed, having been giving a waiver for decades, but even they had to succumb to the immense will of their members who were finding it difficult to condemn homosexual members of their very own families. Goes to show that their view of morality does not seem to be some absolute decree that they have no choice but to obey. Or are humans made for the law, these days? That of course does not mean it is legal for anyone to jump a same gender, or different gender person, for that matter, on the street. Consent is still required or it is rape. But can you imagine how much it takes for a parent to stop loving their child John, when he brings home his boyfriend, Peter? Or dad even, when he divorces his wife of twenty something years and shacks up with his boyfriend, Bob?

Which leads to the issue of 'acceptability', and I ask, 'by whom'? Indeed you can ask two grown up adults to not have sex with one another, but if they refuse to obey you, what exactly do you do? Throw them in jail? This has been done already, and for centuries, but go read those apologies again to see where we are now! Also consider how you would police what two consenting adults do it in the privacy of their bedrooms. And then consider how such a case is dealt with in court where even the judge is a homosexual. Can you perceive any difficulty here? Add to that one's child, John, or husband and father of twenty something years. Do they stop being ones loved one because they are homosexuals? And no, one does not have to accept them, but it would not be the first time members of families have gone their own separate ways never to relate with one another again now would it.

Now I note that you claim homosexuality is similar to beastaphilia, paedophilia, and necrophilia (for which you give spurious evidence claiming some countries do not deem it legal when in fact the article you posted does not claim it is not illegal, and in fact, it is a crime to defile the dead!). All the same, the people have decided that they do not find these acts to be acceptable at all, which just goes to show the non-absolutism of laws, at least by those who have pens with which to rewrite them. Of course you may think they arbitrarily decide which is acceptable and which is not, but the objective evidence for the debates for and against is available for those concerned enough to want to consider it.

And finally, though you never mentioned it, how does all this affect the individual? I guess if I don't want to be poked by a same gender person, I can say "no thank you" , or "fuq off" even, if the poker is insistent. But what exactly is one supposed to do if two grown up people decide to be the poker and the pokee, do I, and can I, insist they mustn't? Well, that would depend where I live I suppose. I guess in Nigeria, I can call the police and have the individuals arrested, but I would be hard pressed for evidence unless I had access to where they were committing their crime in order to gather said evidence, like video recording it (though I do expect any sensible person to wonder why I'd go to such lengths! In UK however, I should not be surprised if the police arrest me for the crime of homophobia, for it is a crime to discriminate against same gender pokees in UK. In fact, if I were to refuse to employ a homosexual person and it is found that my refusal to employ them was because of what they poke, I should expect to go to prison for my bigotry just as I would if I discriminated against others because I don't like their colour or gender or race! Just goes to show how different societies make laws for themselves, don't you think? Doesn't stop me slamming my door in their face though if they ask to come in my house and sit at my table in my dinning room. And I bloody can't be arrested for any bigotry thoughts I may hold in my bigoted head, or can I?

And another from a month later:

budaatum:
Hey, its ma bodi naw! If me want take off mi clothe and dance in di market, se na ur bodi I de take dance?

Call me animal, or unintelligent, if you wish but a persons poker is a persons poker and if they wish to poke it in poo its really none of your poking business, in my opinion, least as long as I'm not breaking any laws, and you can't catch me!

Some people have to learn to not go overboard in their attempt to save others from going to hell!

Understand both as I don't give a fuq what you poke. It's your poker that will stink if you poke it in poo!

Shepherd00:

Yes my own says he is. Your own doesn't?

Please quote where the Bible says he is, so i may stop erring.

Shepherd00:

Buda, i'd not care if Buda will stop using Scriptures (the same ones he believes is propaganda) out of whatever he says here.

Stop bearing false witness Shepherd. God does not like liars! You have not read what buda writes, nor did anyone make you the Scripture police!

buda has said, continuously, that buda does not do 'believe', and I wonder why buda quotes Scripture if it were "propaganda" as you claim! Or is "Thou shalt not bear false witness" propaganda that you yourself do not believe in, or better still, know?

OnPointMan:
Please quote where the Bible says he is, so i may stop erring.

No. Go on erring, because I'd just waste my time on you, and I don't have it.

budaatum:
Apologies! I've found Baba's post on the subject, and if I'd seen it at the time I would have informed him that the knowledge of Rosicrucianism is not from some gwb. He mentioned "the days of Pharaoh Akhenaten", and he was not exactly 'white'.

But let me.


The knowledge you speak of is from way more sources than the two you mention here Baba. You'd be amazed what was written in Hindu philosophy as well as Buddhist and Jainist philosophy for instance, but like the River Niger, some things don't appear to exist until Mungo Park says they do.

Aside, if you both could, perhaps see my input here as adding to and not making out I know more than anybody else. I don't. But if we all contribute our small loaf and fish perhaps millions will be fed.

Don't forget that the civilization that influenced the whole western world dates far back to Egypt with her mystical ,scientific,commerce and administrative/ political prominence. There is no doubt that Akhnaton brought Monotheism, while being directed by the invisible masters whose messengers were present ,at the same time, in places all over the world. These places maintain the holy masters' instructions/ revelations or inspirations which are formed into special knowledge in a school like settings to guide the ready students . It respects no tribe,race,class or religion.
The GWB , if you would permit my insufficient language, has a pattern of ways of choosing messengers all over the world to continue the great work , and examples abound.

Shepherd00:

You called my Friend a lair then brought up your father making it seem like you are right and i'm wrong.

Baba, you want to proof that AMORC is harmless by posting some numbers without a name or more details about whose number those were.

Cele, if I'm wrong and you are right, then provide verifiable info about your ex-AMORC Dad.


It's established that there's nothing I will post here that you won't call it a lie. so, go on post yours Dad's so that wen I post my friend's, based on your Dad's the general public will know if I'm wrong or not.

You know what? I don't care, you choose your path, but keep Jesus of Nazareth out of your filthy darkness.

You made false allegations you cannot substantiate hence my using my dad as an ex member of AMORC with his Key number while you can't bring any evidence to support your claim. I said at no cost to you, I'm ready to sponsor a team to go verify your claim ,and come to expose it here on Nairaland for the world to see. Isn't that fair enough?

Babacele:
Don't forget that the civilization that influenced the whole western world dates far back to Egypt with her mystical ,scientific,commerce and administrative/ political prominence. There is no doubt that Akhnaton brought Monotheism, while being directed by the invisible masters whose messengers were present ,at the same time, in places all over the world. These places maintain the holy masters' instructions/ revelations or inspirations which are formed into special knowledge in a school like settings to guide the ready students . It respects no tribe, race, class or religion.
The GWB , if you would permit my insufficient language, has a pattern of ways of choosing messengers all over the world to continue the great work , and examples abound.

Akhenaten only ruled for 17 years and didn't have enough time to institute much. He tried to shift his culture from Egypt's traditional religion, but the shifts were not widely accepted. After his death, his monuments were dismantled and hidden, his statues were destroyed, and his name excluded from the king lists. Traditional religious practice was gradually restored, and when some dozen years later rulers without clear rights of succession from the 18th Dynasty founded a new dynasty, they discredited Akhenaten and his immediate successors, referring to Akhenaten himself as "the enemy" or "that criminal" in archival records. He was all but lost from history until the discovery during the 19th century of the site of Akhetaten, the city he built and designed for the worship of Aten, at Amarna. ^Wiki
Also, Aten, or Atum, (1991–1778 BC) as I know it, predates Akhenaten (1351–1336 BC) by about 600 years.

I guess the point here is how we know what we know. Egypt itself suffered from what LoJ would have called 'hiding information'. The Egyptian priests considered their rites so holy that they did not initiate enough people to carry it on which resulted in them losing the ability to read their own hieroglyphs until it was deciphered in 1799 when Napoleon Bonaparte researchers found the Rosetta Stone which is a decree of Ptolemy V written in Greek, demotic and hieroglyphic writing.

I guess I can't argue that Napoleon Bonaparte researchers were not GWBs. But the information we now have was mostly deciphered from ancient text, and not deliberately handed down by invisible messengers, except thankfully through the art of writing, and neither was it only influenced by Egypt but also by

Mesopotamian civilization
Period: 3500 BC–500 BC
Original Location: Northeast by the Zagros mountains, southeast by the Arabian plateau
Current Location: Iraq, Syria, and Turkey

Indus Valley civilization
Period: 3300 BC–1900 BC
Original Location: Around the basin of the Indus river
Current Location: Northeast Afghanistan to Pakistan and northwest India

To name but two. And that's only according to what we know, which is a tiny fraction of what has actually happened, humans having been in existence for far longer (tens of thousands of years) than the earliest known civilisations (4000-6000 years at a stretch), who also contributed, and we are still mainly ignorant in the western world about ancient but not so distant China.

Modern-day culture and civilization owes a lot to the earliest civilizations that emerged after millions of years of human evolution. Human civilization has come a long way from an age when there were no defined means of communication and hunting was the primary source of food. Gradually, agriculture took over from foraging, animals were domesticated, societies were created and developed, and eventually led to the societies that we live in today. Each individual civilization listed here contributed in many ways: new inventions, new ideas, new cultures, philosophies, lifestyles, etc. From the very cradle of civilization to the modern day, what we have become is a result of all civilizations that came before.^source

Rosicrucian (gwb again!) is about pulling all this knowledge together in one place and disseminating it to all that seek, but even they do not have all the wisdom knowledge that has existed or that exists. China, India, etc, have similar 'schools', which over time Rosicrucianism has incorporated into its teachings (Buddhism, Daosim, Hinduism, to name three). In the 60s, it was mainly Egypt that was their fashion, and in the 17th Century, it was mainly Christianity, though ancient Greece, Roman ideas always permeated through the years.

Note this is all over the place! It's indicative of my own limited knowledge and ignorance. It's also what has made me a theist of the Christian Scripture. Mystically speaking, "God so loved the World" is the reason we have the Word. Alchemically speaking, it's not about believing the 'facts' but about transmuting our ignorance into that which is worthy with how we learn to be.

Shepherd00:

No. Go on erring, because I'd just waste my time on you, and I don't have it.

Just say you have no proof

OnPointMan:
Just say you have no proof

Okay.

triplechoice:


Sorry if say you are being evasive by saying that it's your opinion that Jesus was influenced by rosicrucian ideas

I have read Spencer's Mystical life ofJesus and except you tell me that what is contain therein has been dispensed with, it would difficult to accept that it's just your opinion and not to a certain extent the official position of amorc that Jesus was influenced by rosicrucian ideas

Eckankar, if you are familiar with that group, has claimed that Jesus was not only influenced by its teachings but was actually an initiate who attained the christ consciousness as a second initiate. Jesus master according to Ecankar was Zadok. He was said to have trained Jesus in the secret doctrine of Ecankar

Whom do we believe? Amorc, Ecankar or your 'opinion' ?

Op please address this. I'm interested to know your perspective to this posters question.
Thank you

budaatum:

Akhenaten only ruled for 17 years and didn't have enough time to institute much. He tried to shift his culture from Egypt's traditional religion, but the shifts were not widely accepted. After his death, his monuments were dismantled and hidden, his statues were destroyed, and his name excluded from the king lists. Traditional religious practice was gradually restored, and when some dozen years later rulers without clear rights of succession from the 18th Dynasty founded a new dynasty, they discredited Akhenaten and his immediate successors, referring to Akhenaten himself as "the enemy" or "that criminal" in archival records. He was all but lost from history until the discovery during the 19th century of the site of Akhetaten, the city he built and designed for the worship of Aten, at Amarna. ^Wiki
Also, Aten, or Atum, (1991–1778 BC) as I know it, predates Akhenaten (1351–1336 BC) by about 600 years.

I guess the point here is how we know what we know. Egypt itself suffered from what LoJ would have called 'hiding information'. The Egyptian priests considered their rites so holy that they did not initiate enough people to carry it on which resulted in them losing the ability to read their own hieroglyphs until it was deciphered in 1799 when Napoleon Bonaparte researchers found the Rosetta Stone which is a decree of Ptolemy V written in Greek, demotic and hieroglyphic writing.

I guess I can't argue that Napoleon Bonaparte researchers were not GWBs. But the information we now have was mostly deciphered from ancient text, and not deliberately handed down by invisible messengers, except thankfully through the art of writing, and neither was it only influenced by Egypt but also by

Mesopotamian civilization
Period: 3500 BC–500 BC
Original Location: Northeast by the Zagros mountains, southeast by the Arabian plateau
Current Location: Iraq, Syria, and Turkey

Indus Valley civilization
Period: 3300 BC–1900 BC
Original Location: Around the basin of the Indus river
Current Location: Northeast Afghanistan to Pakistan and northwest India

To name but two. And that's only according to what we know, which is a tiny fraction of what has actually happened, humans having been in existence for far longer (tens of thousands of years) than the earliest known civilisations (4000-6000 years at a stretch), who also contributed, and we are still mainly ignorant in the western world about ancient but not so distant China.

Modern-day culture and civilization owes a lot to the earliest civilizations that emerged after millions of years of human evolution. Human civilization has come a long way from an age when there were no defined means of communication and hunting was the primary source of food. Gradually, agriculture took over from foraging, animals were domesticated, societies were created and developed, and eventually led to the societies that we live in today. Each individual civilization listed here contributed in many ways: new inventions, new ideas, new cultures, philosophies, lifestyles, etc. From the very cradle of civilization to the modern day, what we have become is a result of all civilizations that came before.^source

Rosicrucian (gwb again!) is about pulling all this knowledge together in one place and disseminating it to all that seek, but even they do not have all the wisdom knowledge that has existed or that exists. China, India, etc, have similar 'schools', which over time Rosicrucianism has incorporated into its teachings (Buddhism, Daosim, Hinduism, to name three). In the 60s, it was mainly Egypt that was their fashion, and in the 17th Century, it was mainly Christianity, though ancient Greece, Roman ideas always permeated through the years.

Note this is all over the place! It's indicative of my own limited knowledge and ignorance. It's also what has made me a theist of the Christian Scripture. Mystically speaking, "God so loved the World" is the reason we have the Word. Alchemically speaking, it's not about believing the 'facts' but about transmuting our ignorance into that which is worthy with how we learn to be.

Very well sir. Several forces have been responsible for our present civilization. What we enjoy today are a metamorphosis of several cultures,ideals and ideas no doubt. But certain persons shape history by the boldness of their convictions: Akhnaton was such a leader. He became the channel through which silent truths in the minds of others hiding from the poison of ignorance became public. Knowing that he was faced by that eternal war between two principles- good and evil- he employed the law of secrecy to nurture the traditions which have survived time.

@ budaatum,

If there are no persons who have been trained in the art of deciphering ,how could so many important documents,symbols, inscriptions or hieroglyphics been correctly interpreted?

The far east no doubt have evolved really good and have long documented history of their development which are well known to the mystics in the western world. In fact many of them maintained a close relationship or share the same principles or philosophies and influenced one another greatly. Egypt being strategic, no doubt, enjoyed this relationship through India. For instance, who would have thought that certain same documents, ciphers,symbols or artefacts are usually replicated and sent to different parts of the world through special emissaries for safekeeps? Until AMORC released some of the unknown information about the lives of Jesus the Christ, certain persons in the western world doubted He even existed ,and easily pointed at the so many gaps in the christain Bible stories to support their claims. Spencer Lewis had to reach out to many old Rosicrucian records, and libraries even in the far East to put that beautiful book " The Mystical Life of Jesus" together. And in it are revealed so many influences from the East.

Yes the pooling of the best ideas and cosmic philosophies together to help one another is the Rosicrucian ideal. As you had mentioned earlier, when did we know what we know? If we could put ourselves in the ancient Egypt with its many gods and the prevailing socio-political intrigues of the time,vis a vis Egypt influence on the Western Hemisphere long before any Torah or Bible or any of the Abrahamic religion came to being, one would appreciate Akhnaton's boldness of promoting monotheism at the risk of his own life.

budaatum:

Why would you "believe you did not understand the GWB", when I already said "I've been trying to find what you mean by GWB?" and "wondering if this is where you say GWB instead?" Aren't those two statements sufficient enough for you to upgrade your 'belief' to 'knowledge'? I guess I'm not of the view that the knowledge we speak of came from a great white brotherhood, unless you intend to exclude its non-white Egyptian, Arabic and Chinese inputs, so its meaning was not immediately obvious to me.

Lewis never made this gwb root mistake, nor was he "entrusted by the GWB with the responsibility to usher in the present spiritual era". He diligently sought and found, and "just like any other before or after him ... systematised his experience and training into a formal mystical order", thereby putting his lamp where it could be seen and in a way that it could be shown (as you to do LoJ with your very enlightening threads). And yes, a human tendency, though not necessarily a mistake since that's the only way to not hide it and teach it. If the same "systematised ... experience and training into a formal ...order" hadn't been done with the teachings of Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, Torah, it would be as little spread as the equally valuable teachings of Plato, Socrates, Lao-tzu, Confucius, Mencius, Emerson etc, which are unfortunately only learnt today as a special subject.

The receivers are the ones who make religions out of what they did not fully understand yet valued and kept alive so we get to know of it today. If they hadn't preached it, booked it, lamped it and screamed it from the rooftops iron would be our god. We must however note that they all only had a part of the elephant which Rosicruciansm attempts to make whole. It is still only a part.

Lewis more than anybody alive presently has written clearly about the erroneous claims being made about the GWB as a physical entity . No doubt that for lack of a better expression, the early mystics had probably used the GWB or GWL as a physical assembly of evolved adepts. Many principles did they permit the cosmic to flow through them which has formed the Rosicrucian ideals one of which presently is known as AMORC. There are others with different names.

There was a rich tradition that was entrusted to Lewis in the early 1900 to continue in the New World after some years of dormancy or away from public life . Earlier, certain Rosicrucians had left the Old world with the knowledge of the then Master Sir Francis Bacon in the late 1600 for America. So thus the rosicrucian traditions found its way to the New world. I think a further discussion later, on the history of AMORC would clear all seeming doubts on how Lewis was found worthy and entrusted to continue the wonderful school which today is known as AMORC .

@babacele budaatum fratermathy

Do you have any interest discussing the Templars? I believe at lot about western mysticism can be uncover once light is made about them. They may be the treasure hidden in the field.

After all, the topic says we can discuss any esoteric organization.

LoJ:
@babacele budaatum fratermathy

Do you have any interest discussing the Templars? I believe at lot about western mysticism can be uncover once light is made about them. They may be the treasure hidden in the field.

After all, the topic says we can discuss any esoteric organization.

In another thread perhaps so it don't get lost in this one. You'll have to educate me though as they are not that relevant from what I've learnt about them.

budaatum:

In another thread perhaps so it don't get lost in this one. You'll have to educate me though as they are not that relevant from what I've learnt about them.

OK for another thread.

Relevant in terms of what. I believe without the Templars there would be no rosicrucian thought or freemasonry. I am convinced what they found and hid is likely to be a major key.

LoJ:

OK for another thread.

Relevant in terms of what. I believe without the Templars there would be no rosicrucian thought or freemasonry. I am convinced what they found and hid is likely to be a major key.

Are you saying, without the Catholic Church there would have been no Rosicrucians?

What did they find and hide?

(On second thoughts, let's stay here. This thread has survived worse distractions.)

Babacele:
@ budaatum,

If there are no persons who have been trained in the art of deciphering ,how could so many important documents,symbols, inscriptions or hieroglyphics been correctly interpreted?

By studying, Baba. And reasoning. Though, if one hadn't learnt (through training, or self study) to 'decipher hieroglyphs' (not literally speaking), one wouldn't be able to. And one has to learn from somewhere, but still, one builds on it. You be amazed what can be learnt from studying Plato, for instance, or John Stuart Mills even.

It is about the development of the mind which is done by not eating only bread (and adopting beliefs which rigid by their nature), but every Word God wrote (which teaches to reason by resolving contradictions and thereby squaring the circle). I bet if I checked your shelves, I'd find lots of nutrients on it. I'm working on the assumption that all you know was not given you but 'found' by you because you sought (seeked) for it. That you have found shows in your juicy delicious fruits.

Here is something from Prince Rose Croix. The WORD is the Vehicle by which God acts on the Universe; the World of Ideas by means whereof God has created visible things; the more Ancient God, as compared with the Material World; Chief and General Representative of all Intelligences; the Arch-angel, type and representative of all spirits, even those of Mortals; the type of Man; the primitive man himself. These ideas are borrowed from Plato. And this WORD is not only the Creator ["by Him was everything made that was made"], but acts in the place of God; and through him act all the Powers and Attributes of God. And also, as first representative of the human race, he is the protector of Men and their Shepherd, the "Ben H’Adam," or Son of Man.

And here's something about orign. The Fama Fraternitatis presents the legend of a German doctor and mystic philosopher referred to as "Father Brother C.R.C." (later identified in a third manifesto as Christian Rosenkreuz, or "Rose-cross" ). The year 1378 is presented as being the birth year of "our Christian Father", and it is stated that he lived 106 years. After studying in the Middle East under various masters, possibly adhering to Sufism, he was unable to spread the knowledge he had acquired to prominent European scientists and philosophers. Instead, he gathered a small circle of friends/disciples and founded the Rosicrucian Order (this can be deduced to have occurred around 1407).

In his work "Silentium Post Clamores" (1617), the rosicrucian Michel Maier (1568–1622) described rosicrucianism as having arisen from a "Primordial Tradition" in the following statement: "Our origins are Egyptian, Brahmanic, derived from the mysteries of Eleusis and Samothrace, the Magi of Persia, the Pythagoreans, and the Arabs."

Yet, none of it must be believed, but understood instead, as none of it is literal.