nihilistjnr:


I agreed with Dayo.

Some of the best players in the world are not particularly quick, strong or have stamina.

The only stage I can see PED giving a huge advantage is in youth team.

See Antonio Valencia, built like a tank, faster than igwe ndi gala sellers at obalende, and still got demoted from winger to right back and eventually to ball boy.

Adama Traore carry biceps like terminator, and is faster than a speeding mopol truck, yet can't even make 1st team in Wolves.

The average training routine for footbsllers will keep them super fit anyway.

Nobody asked anyone to go and give PED to one foolish Abudu in Ogbomosho, who never had football talent, and expect him to play like Messi.

PED boosts/enhances performance of a skilled footballer, and that's key. Liverpool's Sakho, was killing everything until he had a scare and down he went back to his normal level.

There are different types of PED, some are used before and after training sessions, while some are used on matchday. When your energy level is low, the ability to carry out your quality sporting skills effectively, go down. So you start looking disinterested like Martial. Falling down everywhere like Boathand. Jugging sluggishly, like Busquets.

When you start seeing Iwobi, suddenly defending well, dribbling constantly, running, without getting tired and shooting like Taiye Taiwo, trust me it's not only hardwork or because of nutrishake.

nihilistjnr:


lol bruv weed and tramadol are more likely to knock you, than give you energy to play ball.

This is not correct, if you use the right dosage you will play like a trojan, trust me.

I don't care what anyone says, that Barcelona 2008-2012 team was on drugs

nihilistjnr:
funny enough I was listening to Kris Boyd, the kilmarnock striker talking about Steve Clarke, the new Scotland manager, only 2 days ago

He said that Steve Clarke would tell his players whenever they played a good team that if they can't match their opponents in skill, they should match them in talent.....

no wonder Celtic win the league every year...see team talk ffs

There are some who believe blood and fire running and strength will win you games. Adama Traore is the fastest player in EPL, when he was young and in La Masia it definitely made a difference but among matured professionals, he cannot make Wolves first team

There have been many players who were either smokers or physically unfit yet had a great footballing career. Berbatov used to chain smoke and barely run, At a point, Kanu couldn't use the staircase and always took the elevator yet was playing better than the fit ones. There have been many advancements in physical training that many people are stretching limits of physical abilities. Gone are the days where you only have to run laps. That cold freezer you mentioned for City is one. Nowadays a players diet and sleep ruotine are even watched closely

I read the write up that simonjassy referenced and it pointed at a few footballers over 50yrs which are not even confirmed cases
Someone was talking about Sakho like he was any more than a decent player and some players can have a good streak for some time and fall back to earth without drugs

Everyone used to swear that benteke will solve all striking problems at every club, for the past 4seasons he has been beyond useless

airmark:


This is not correct, if you use the right dosage you will play like a trojan, trust me.

weed?

or tramadol?

fam have you done drugs before?

simonjassy:

try reading up on the article "doping in football 50 years of evidence". it's on google.

In the article, I quoted and you replied to, only 4 instances of drugs have been found in FIFA tournament of 11 yrs

That is a tournament of 22 players sometimes 24 or 32 teams. Meaning in about 3000players only 4 was caught using. I fthere are players using drugs they are in the very small minority

raumdeuter:


The nature of team sports makes it less dependent on physical abilities. If you take steroids daily, as a basketballer it won't improve your shooting accuracy ability to fake and deceive opponents or ability to block shots

PED won't make Lukaku suddenly able to trap ball better or dribble like Messi

Aside midfielders most players only sprint in bursts. When the ball is not with you, you usually catch a breather and prepare for the next sprint, most of the movement on the pitch is jogging until the action comes to you and you sprint

That's why Africans can be fit and strong like Hanks Anuku but when they pass the ball around them at the world cups they end up chasing shadows and lose

I saw an article where Man City was the 12th rated team in the EPL in distance covered. That's because they have the method of conserving energy for crucial moments

Huddersfield who ended the season with 16 points and just 3 wins were 6th on the distance covered chart

That's nonsense, in my opinion. Take Barca team under pep 09 to 12. The key facet of that Barca team was their insane ability to press opponents aggressively high up the pitch to win the ball back. They basically would never let you have the ball through running crazy sprints whenever they lost possession. If that was due to doping then it was a huge advantage.

Kimbeast:


That's nonsense, in my opinion. Take Barca team under pep 09 to 12. The key facet of that Barca team was their insane ability to press opponents aggressively high up the pitch to win the ball back. They basically would never let you have the ball through running crazy sprints whenever they lost possession. If that was due to doping then it was a huge advantage.

Barcelona was basically using space better.

Pep played a high line where his last defender was close to the center line. Basically, instead of spreading 10 outfield players over the field(100X75 yards field), he effectively shrunk the field and had 8players cover half of the field (50 X 75yards) in the opponent half which made pressing easier

Pep organized his team to press them, collect the ball or force the opponent to lump forward which Barca collected then send it to the defender, recycle it from Pique to Busquets to Xavi to Iniesta back to the defence slowing down the pace of the game and catching their breath while the opponent chased them and got tired

I swear there were some games Barcelona completed and some of their players barely sweated

Look at the players who made the core of the team. Pique, Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta Messi. Which of these players is known for being physically strong and able to run endlessly? These 5 players can play an entire game at walking pace with big stout and cigar in their hand

airmark:


Nobody asked anyone to go and give PED to one foolish Abudu in Ogbomosho, who never had football talent, and expect him to play like Messi.

PED boosts/enhances performance of a skilled footballer, and that's key. Liverpool's Sakho, was killing everything until he had a scare and down he went back to his normal level.

There are different types of PED, some are used before and after training sessions, while some are used on matchday. When your energy level is low, the ability to carry out your quality sporting skills effectively, go down. So you start looking disinterested like Martial. Falling down everywhere like Boathand. Jugging sluggishly, like Busquets.

When you start seeing Iwobi, suddenly defending well, dribbling constantly, running, without getting tired and shooting like Taiye Taiwo, trust me it's not only hardwork or because of nutrishake.

but nobody else is playing like Messi, and there are people taking PEDs.

PED can only boost your physical attributes...it cannot boost your skill level, or decision making.

And that's the point raumdeuter and I are making....football is a team sport, where physical ability is only a small piece of the puzzle.

Rudiger is the fastest player at Chelsea, but how many times does a centreback need to make a high intensity sprint per match?

Kante cam run for days, but his limited skill set is what is making Chelsea fans vex whenever Sarri plays him out of position.

The gains you get from PED might not be significant enough to overshadow your technical deficiencies.

Barca under Guardiola and Leicester winning the league are prime example of dopers in football. Leicester who nearly escaped relegation going on to win the league the next season.

kimbeast read this

The distance between the front man in the wall (typically Messi) and their last defender (Javier Mascherano, say) is only 25 to 30 metres. It's hard for any opponent to pass their way through such a small space. The Rome final of 2009 was a perfect demonstration of Barcelona's wall: whenever United won the ball and kept it, they faced 11 precisely positioned opponents, who stood there and said, in effect: "Try to get through this."

It's easy for Barcelona to be compact, both when pressing and when drawing up their wall, because their players spend most of the game very near each other. Xavi and Iniesta in particular seldom stray far from the ball. A packed midfield, with no out-and-out strikers, enhances the compactness. Cruyff has said, "Do you know how Barcelona win the ball back so quickly? It's because they don't have to run back more than 10 metres as they never pass the ball more than 10 metres."

https://www.theblizzard.co.uk/article/peps-four-golden-rules

nihilistjnr:


weed?

or tramadol?

fam have you done drugs before?

Use two capsules of trams 20mins to the match and come and tell me about your performance after the match.

nihilistjnr:


but nobody else is playing like Messi, and there are people taking PEDs.

PED can only boost your physical attributes...it cannot boost your skill level, or decision making.

And that's the point raumdeuter and I are making....football is a team sport, where physical ability is only a small piece of the puzzle.

Rudiger is the fastest player at Chelsea, but how many times does a centreback need to make a high intensity sprint per match?

Kante cam run for days, but his limited skill set is what is making Chelsea fans vex whenever Sarri plays him out of position.

The gains you get from PED might not be significant enough to overshadow your technical deficiencies.

This is untrue, we have some PEDs that work as cognitive enhancers. Some GNC products even do provide such functions.

Mental alertness is part of what boost your sporting performance.

nihilistjnr:


weed?

or tramadol?

fam have you done drugs before?

Tramadol that most commonly causes nausea, dizziness, drowsiness and weakness. LOL

afrodoc2:


Tramadol that most commonly causes nausea, dizziness, drowsiness and weakness. LOL

You better go and do more research and stop working with 19th century medical beliefs.

Trams that most Nigerian league players use to play their gidigbo football.

Even cyclists use it to enhance performance.


"He started taking tramadol when his doctor prescribed it to him as pain relief from chronic pancreatitis, but soon realized that he could both train and race better while taking the drug.

“Using tramadol can feel as good as getting a blood transfusion for athletes,” says Mullins. “You can pop a pill 18 hours into a 24-hour endurance race and it’s an immediate boost that helps you power through the end"

simonjassy:
so you are saying doping won't give you a significant edge in football?

i am suspecting the man did not even play monkey post football.
He does not know that even messi will play inaccurate passes if he is tired.

raumdeuter:


The nature of team sports makes it less dependent on physical abilities. If you take steroids daily, as a basketballer it won't improve your shooting accuracy ability to fake and deceive opponents or ability to block shots

PED won't make Lukaku suddenly able to trap ball better or dribble like Messi

Aside midfielders most players only sprint in bursts. When the ball is not with you, you usually catch a breather and prepare for the next sprint, most of the movement on the pitch is jogging until the action comes to you and you sprint

That's why Africans can be fit and strong like Hanks Anuku but when they pass the ball around them at the world cups they end up chasing shadows and lose

I saw an article where Man City was the 12th rated team in the EPL in distance covered. That's because they have the method of conserving energy for crucial moments

Huddersfield who ended the season with 16 points and just 3 wins were 6th on the distance covered chart

do you know that, with PED, Marcus Alonso can dribble better? He has the ability, but lack the strength.

raumdeuter:


There are some who believe blood and fire running and strength will win you games. Adama Traore is the fastest player in EPL, when he was young and in La Masia it definitely made a difference but among matured professionals, he cannot make Wolves first team

There have been many players who were either smokers or physically unfit yet had a great footballing career. Berbatov used to chain smoke and barely run, At a point, Kanu couldn't use the staircase and always took the elevator yet was playing better than the fit ones. There have been many advancements in physical training that many people are stretching limits of physical abilities. Gone are the days where you only have to run laps. That cold freezer you mentioned for City is one. Nowadays a players diet and sleep ruotine are even watched closely

I read the write up that simonjassy referenced and it pointed at a few footballers over 50yrs which are not even confirmed cases
Someone was talking about Sakho like he was any more than a decent player and some players can have a good streak for some time and fall back to earth without drugs

Everyone used to swear that benteke will solve all striking problems at every club, for the past 4seasons he has been beyond useless

you are taking examples from the 2 extremes to argue and it's disingenuous.
No need to compare a normal messi with an enhanced Adama Traore.
The point of this whole discussion is what difference of PEDs will have on footballers of largely similar skill level.
And a vast majority of professional footballers in the top 5 leagues for example are under the gausian curve dome.
You cannot be arguing this case with outliers from either side of the graph. It's mischievous

Use of PEDs in this situation cannot be taken to just not count. If people use PEDs.
The gulf does not have to be wider than gulf of Mexico.


A normal kdb will not get anywhere close to a doped pogba for example

airmark:



This one knows nothing.

and you will see him claiming high IQ and knowledgeable

I no know wether people dey dope or not for football.
But at the level I play(Dean's cup), where we are all terrible and coaching input is zero, the class with no exam in sight, and more time to train, hence more fitness usually outperforms all the others.

My class won the competition when we were in 200l (non exam year) mainly because we could outrun and outlast every other team

I Don represent my medical school at national level for football, that's as close to any pinnacle that I have to reach and when your body is tired, trust me the mind follows.
You will be seeing the right thing to do but will simply be unable

nihilistjnr:


lol bruv weed and tramadol are more likely to knock you, than give you energy to play ball.

It's like you've never smoked weed before

PEDs cannot give you football skill, only physical power. Usain Bolt the world fastest man could not even make 1st eleven in Australian league, that's how inconsequential pure athleticism can be in the sport of football.

11 Dirk Kuyts won't win world cup.

for the weed part, i think it works differently on different systems or it has a different reaction if used for a longer time.


I remember my first and last experience with weed.
School was on strike and i decided not to travel back home. One of my friend who was leaving in a lodge where weed is like groundnut for every one in the lodge, used the stuff to cook beans. I was very hungry. So, i decided to eat the food with him even after he told me that he used weed to prepare it. My brother!! Beans dey sweet me dey go, as in, i no gree belle full.


After 2 hours, the guys in the lodge started playing football. My guy was playing with them while i stood at a corner watching them. My guy was running tirelessly and his team was winning every set that came in. Later, they asked me to join them, which i agreed to.
My brother, immediately i entered the field, i had not even ran for 30 seconds when the whole energy in my body disappeared.
God! I stated wondering what was happening to me. I had even forgotten about the weed beans. I could not even see my opponent post clearly. I was panting like a Christmas goat. My brother, in short, i no get myself throughout the match, i almost fainted, Meanwhile, this my friend that i ate the beans with was running tirelessly.

After the match when i remembered i had eaten weed beans, i went to explain what was happening to me to my friend. That was when he told me that he father smokes weed and that he has been eating weed since he was little. Mehn! I said, no wonder.



So, i believe weed has different reactions in different systems or maybe if taken over time, it will start having a different reaction

nihilistjnr:


but nobody else is playing like Messi, and there are people taking PEDs.

PED can only boost your physical attributes...it cannot boost your skill level, or decision making.

And that's the point raumdeuter and I are making....football is a team sport, where physical ability is only a small piece of the puzzle.

Rudiger is the fastest player at Chelsea, but how many times does a centreback need to make a high intensity sprint per match?

Kante cam run for days, but his limited skill set is what is making Chelsea fans vex whenever Sarri plays him out of position.

The gains you get from PED might not be significant enough to overshadow your technical deficiencies.

you have a point, but believe me, if Mourinho or Simeone trains a team that dope, they will win trophies.







And, i hate that, Rudiger is the fastest player at Chelsea "

PietroRick:
I no know wether people dey dope or not for football.
But at the level I play(Dean's cup), where we are all terrible and coaching input is zero, the class with no exam in sight, and more time to train, hence more fitness usually outperforms all the others.

My class won the competition when we were in 200l (non exam year) mainly because we could outrun and outlast every other team

I Don represent my medical school at national level for football, that's as close to any pinnacle that I have to reach and when your body is tired, trust me the mind follows.
You will be seeing the right thing to do but will simply be unable

the bold is on point.

Why are we having this argument in the first place, are we saying PEDs don't play a role in the performance of players? Watch Barcelona and Liverpool at Anfield, if it was based on skill alone, Liverpool won't come close to Barcelona but work rate was key. Those Liverpool players would have played for 180mins and still beat Barcelona. Now imagine those guys on PEDs, they'd have been even scarier...

all these guys using messi as against traore are jokers,wasn't messi himself fed with HGH.no matter how good a dribbler you are,if you can't outrun,out-pass your opponent is quite useless .how many goals did we see messi score by outrunning the defenders.i like messi though,but imagine som1 who was taking hgh for height issues becoming a beast on the ball,how much more someone who has talent+PEDs.

patrickmuf:
Why are we having this argument in the first place, are we saying PEDs don't play a role in the performance of players? Watch Barcelona and Liverpool at Anfield, if it was based on skill alone, Liverpool won't come close to Barcelona but work rate was key. Those Liverpool players would have played for 180mins and still beat Barcelona. Now imagine those guys on PEDs, they'd have been even scarier...

.....True somehow i do suspect Mane

patrickmuf:
Why are we having this argument in the first place, are we saying PEDs don't play a role in the performance of players? Watch Barcelona and Liverpool at Anfield, if it was based on skill alone, Liverpool won't come close to Barcelona but work rate was key. Those Liverpool players would have played for 180mins and still beat Barcelona. Now imagine those guys on PEDs, they'd have been even scarier...

100% disagree. Bar Messi, this Current Barca Team is at par with this Current Liverpool team based on skill alone. At worst maybe Barcelona has a slight edge but the difference is minute.

chic2pimp:


100% disagree. Bar Messi, this Current Barca Team is at par with this Current Liverpool team based on skill alone. At worst maybe Barcelona has a slight edge but the difference is minute.

that 2nd leg liverpool team? Come on.
Lmao.

Which of origi, dwarfkiri, Henderson, Milner, matip or even Fabinho go get anywhere near any serious Barcelona 11

Stormzy showing a British guy can rap.. But it's strange and funny though.

obainojazz:
Stormzy showing a British guy can rap.. But it's strange and funny though.

I thought he's an American