One is unworthy.

But for the Grace of God who so loves one did the Lord God send the Messiah that one may hear the Word of God and accept Jesus Christ as one's Lord and Saviour. The acceptance of this free gift, believing, so to say, despite being ignorant about it, is indeed how one is saved aleluya amen, for one could be unfortunate to "not have much soil" or be "soil amongst thorns" on which the "word falls and is choked to death" bearing no fruit at all.

That belief you now have sown in you inspires you to seek to learn about your Saviour, which is done by reading the Bible; and the Bible being a big book, can not be read least one work at it (and I do not mean Sunday church reading, picking a chapter here and a verse there as many do, but from the Beginning to the End without missing a single word).

Reading, however, is the beginning of your work. One can read the Bible and believe it and be done as some do, but some will seek for an understanding of what they have read which is more work. And yet, by the Grace of God! For if Jesus Christ had not sent you the Holy Ghost and Comforter to minister to you, all your work trying to understand is work in vain!

You may be the fortunate who loves the Lord God with all your heart and soul and being and hence be given to understand the Kingdom of God. You will pick up your cross, so to speak, big and heavy, being made of very heavy timber as you will find when it is on your back and feel it's weight on you. But carry it you will, which is work. Because if you have done the work of building up what is commonly called your spiritual muscles, it would not only feel like Simon of Cyrene carries it for you, though when goodness and mercy works on your behalf it would seem so, for the Power of Christ in you will empower you to such an extent that you would be strong enough to bear your cross and the crosses of others too, which is what I see the likes of Oyedepo doing - not so much by giving bread which is as stone, but by making you a Fishers of People, which is what he does, teaching those who go on to establish in their own right. After all, see ye not his fruits?

Some may accuse me of claiming I have said here that "work justifies". But I would have you consider, justify in who's eye? Surely not in the sight of those whom darkness has overcome and who see not! And besides, "study", which is predominantly the work I have listed above, is not to be done where you are to be seen doing it least you be justified by your fellow humans and your head puff up or you be disturbed and asked to go and play instead. The work I have listed above is not done to justify you nor be justified by you as you are not the one sitting at the right hand of God judging the living and the dead, but to the Glory of the Lord God Almighty alone whom one serves.

Be wise therefore and fill not only your lamp but also your jars with that which moths cannot get at because you do not know the day or the hour when the bridegroom will arrive.

"Oro Ut Omnes Sequantur Viam Ad Veram Vitam"

budaatum your understanding of work is faulty. How can I show that I am saved? ONLY BY WORKS (James 2:14-26).

now, what is work in this context ? is it the kind of work you describe in your post ?

I am only showing the EVIDENCE OF A SAVING FAITH .

malvisguy212:
budaatum your understanding of work is faulty. How can I show that I am saved? ONLY BY WORKS (James 2:14-26).

now, what is work in this context ? is it the kind of work you describe in your post ?

I am only showing the EVIDENCE OF A SAVING FAITH .

Your understanding, is what I think might be faulty, I would please have you consider.

Who, exactly, do you intend to "show" that you are saved?

budaatum:

Your understanding, is what I think might be faulty, I would please have you consider.

Who, exactly, do you intend to "show" that you are saved?

NONE. I Will NOT work my soul to be save because my saviour has ALREADY WORK IT.

I will work like a slave for the love of my saviour.

I do not boast of my work. I boast of God work.

thank you, I am busy now, see you later.

malvisguy212:
NONE. I Will NOT work my soul to be save because my saviour has ALREADY WORK IT.

I will work like a slave for the love of my saviour.

I do not boast of my work. I boast of God work.

thank you, I am busy now, see you later.

You only need to read the very first paragraph to understand that I have not said your work saves you, mavisguy.

"The acceptance of this free gift, believing, so to say, despite being ignorant about it, is indeed how one is saved aleluya amen,....."

Nor did I say "boast about your work":

"the work I have listed above, is not to be done where you are to be seen doing it least you be justified by your fellow humans and your head puff up or you be disturbed and asked to go and play instead."

What I did say was "work to understand" and yet, "by the Grace of God that Jesus Christ has sent you the Holy Ghost and Comforter to minister to you", otherwise, "all your work trying to understand is work in vain!"

If you cannot bother to do the work to understand this very simple short piece as shown by your misunderstanding and misrepresentation of it mavisguy, how, please, can you possibly understand the very complex writing of James, is precisely my point!

budaatum:

You only need to read the very first paragraph to understand that I have not said your work saves you, mavisguy.

"The acceptance of this free gift, believing, so to say, despite being ignorant about it, is indeed how one is saved aleluya amen,....."

Nor did I say "boast about your work":

"the work I have listed above, is not to be done where you are to be seen doing it least you be justified by your fellow humans and your head puff up or you be disturbed and asked to go and play instead."

What I did say was "work to understand" and yet, "by the Grace of God that Jesus Christ has sent you the Holy Ghost and Comforter to minister to you", otherwise, "all your work trying to understand is work in vain!"

If you cannot bother to do the work to understand this very simple short piece as shown by your misunderstanding and misrepresentation of it mavisguy, how, please, can you possibly understand the very complex writing of James, is precisely my point!

I perfectly understand now, am sorry . thanks for the enlightenment.

malvisguy212:
I perfectly understand now, am sorry . thanks for the enlightenment.

Because of you, I will add the following warning because it might mislead the lazy people.

Don't be lazy, people. Read beyond the title of the thread.

Thank you mavisguy.

malvisguy212:
budaatum your understanding of work is faulty. How can I show that I am saved? ONLY BY WORKS (James 2:14-26).

now, what is work in this context ? is it the kind of work you describe in your post ?

I am only showing the EVIDENCE OF A SAVING FAITH .

The WORKS as explained by Paul at Galatians chapter 3 is what most so called believers are trying to discern!
But Paul wasn't talking about works relating to FAITH in Jesus, otherwise he wouldn't have asked Christians to 'work out their salvation'! Philippians 2:12
So what was Paul saying about DEAD WORKS?
He was telling the Galatians that they shouldn't look unto the old covenant laws which the Jews depended upon so much that they kicked against what Jesus taught them! Galatians 3:10
In a nutshell FAITH means
¤Identifying Jesus as the ONLY person who knows how to please his father in whose hand our hope to live forever lies!
¤Concentrating on his teaching and doing all we can to adapt even if that might sound stupid in the ears of people who loves practicing good deeds, but don't think it's necessary to learn that from anybody SINCE WE ALL THINK WE KNOW WHAT IS GOOD!
This two keys are the ONLY saving grace we all need!
Most people thinks if they're buying food for beggars, paying the house rents and school fees of paupers, greeting everybody{including those having grudges against them}, settling disputes, contributing money for religious activities and trying to be good to all their neighbours, they're OK.
Well that is exactly what the young ruler who met Jesus also thought! Matthew 19:16-22, Luke 18:18-23
So why did Jesus said the man CAN'T SEE the kingdom of God?
Well, it is because he doesn't want the lifestyle of going up and down preaching and teaching people what Jesus taught, he feels that's too much task for a wealthy man like him!
Now imagine going to plead/preach at the door of someone that you can feed for life, only for that one to insult, humiliate and ridicule you all because you want him to have everlasting life!
Jesus never meant that the young man throw away all the riches he had but he should now see himself as equal to the most wretched pauper ever so that no matter what those one say or do to him he wouldn't feel it IF HE CONSIDERS HIMSELF AS A POORER PAUPER!
Of course paupers do the damnedest things to one another and they just let it go withing the next minute, but when you consider yourself important or wealthy, it's not going to be easy if someone insults you!
So what Jesus told that man could be applied to both the rich and the poor, because there are lots and lots of poor people whose heart is full of worldly riches{ego} and they too will never agree to steep low to the extent of been insulted just because they want to preach and save someone!
That is the WORK of FAITH, not just doing good like every other worshipers of idols would EASILY do!

Maximus69:
The WORKS as explained by Paul at Galatians chapter 3 is what most so called believers are trying to discern!
But Paul wasn't talking about works relating to FAITH in Jesus, otherwise he wouldn't have asked Christians to 'work out their salvation'! Philippians 2:12
So what was Paul saying about DEAD WORKS?
He was telling the Galatians that they shouldn't look unto the old covenant laws which the Jews depended upon so much that they kicked against what Jesus taught them! Galatians 3:10
In a nutshell FAITH means
¤Identifying Jesus as the ONLY person who knows how to please his father in whose hand our hope to live forever lies!
¤Concentrating on his teaching and doing all we can to adapt even if that might sound stupid in the ears of people who loves practicing good deeds, but don't think it's necessary to learn that from anybody SINCE WE ALL THINK WE KNOW WHAT IS GOOD!
This two keys are the ONLY saving grace we all need!
Most people thinks if they're buying food for beggars, paying the house rents and school fees of paupers, greeting everybody{including those having grudges against them}, settling disputes, contributing money for religious activities and trying to be good to all their neighbours, they're OK.
Well that is exactly what the young ruler who met Jesus also thought! Matthew 19:16-22, Luke 18:18-23
So why did Jesus said the man CAN'T SEE the kingdom of God?
Well, it is because he doesn't want the lifestyle of going up and down preaching and teaching people what Jesus taught, he feels that's too much task for a wealthy man like him!
Now imagine going to plead/preach at the door of someone that you can feed for life, only for that one to insult, humiliate and ridicule you all because you want him to have everlasting life!
Jesus never meant that the young man throw away all the riches he had but he should now see himself as equal to the most wretched pauper ever so that no matter what those one say or do to him he wouldn't feel it IF HE CONSIDERS HIMSELF AS A POORER PAUPER!
Of course paupers do the damnedest things to one another and they just let it go withing the next minute, but when you consider yourself important or wealthy, it's not going to be easy if someone insults you!
So what Jesus told that man could be applied to both the rich and the poor, because there are lots and lots of poor people whose heart is full of worldly riches{ego} and they too will never agree to steep low to the extent of been insulted just because they want to preach and save someone!
That is the WORK of FAITH, not just doing good like every other worshipers of idols would EASILY do!

If I were to die today and stand before God
and He should ask me, “Why should I allow you
to enter My holy heaven?” what would my answer be? If my answer in any way points to MYSELF (my own credentials, my own works, my own religious deeds, etc.) then I am not standing on solid ground.

The appropriate response is this: “l will enter God’s holy heaven for one reason and one reason only. It is only because of Jesus Christ my Saviour. Apart from His work on the cross I could never be saved. Apart from His life which He has given to me as a free gift, I could never enter His holy heaven.He is my only hope. He is the only righteousness I have and He is all the righteousness I need. Thank You Lord for saving my soul and making me whole.” .

Notice how this answer points away from SELF
and clearly points to the Saviour and to Him alone!

2 Timothy 1:9 “Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS.”

malvisguy212:
If I were to die today and stand before God
and He should ask me, “Why should I allow you
to enter My holy heaven?” what would my answer be? If my answer in any way points to MYSELF (my own credentials, my own works, my own religious deeds, etc.) then I am not standing on solid ground.

The appropriate response is this: “l will enter God’s holy heaven for one reason and one reason only. It is only because of Jesus Christ my Saviour. Apart from His work on the cross I could never be saved. Apart from His life which He has given to me as a free gift, I could never enter His holy heaven.He is my only hope. He is the only righteousness I have and He is all the righteousness I need. Thank You Lord for saving my soul and making me whole.” .

Notice how this answer points away from SELF
and clearly points to the Saviour and to Him alone!

2 Timothy 1:9 “Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS.”

We're on the same page!

Maximus69:
We're on the same page!

Good to know.

malvisguy212:
Good to know.

Whoever feels like doing good works but not STRICTLY doing exactly what Jesus say is good, is just going about with filthy rags!
We must obey Jesus 100% before God takes us in as TRUE believers in the name of his only begotten son!

Maximus69:

That is the WORK of FAITH, not just doing good like every other worshipers of idols would EASILY do!

Thank you Max. Like almost everything to do with God, it is not simple. The rich man was going about thinking his public good doing was his salvation, and that was his error. Observe the pagan worshipping Samaritan who just did the good and whom Christ said "Go and do likewise". The lesson? Do not your good deeds to be seen and glorified by humans, but to the glory of the Lord in Heaven. For if one takes no care of the poor, what Kingdom has one preached to the least of these whom one sees?

It is for this reason that I wrote this piece which is about diligently doing the work of studying Scripture.

Maximus69:

We must obey Jesus 100% before God takes us in as TRUE believers in the name of his only begotten son!

I agree. Yet, me, being one ordinary human being, who never even scored 100% in a common school exam, knows that I would never ever score 100% in a Jesus exam, and so is my salvation dependent on the Grace of God who loves the wretched failure me despite all my hard work.

budaatum:

I agree. Yet, me, being one ordinary human being, who never even scored 100% in a common school exam, knows that I would never ever score 100% in a Jesus exam, and so is my salvation dependent on the Grace of God who loves the wretched failure me despite all my hard work.

Jesus never requested 100% from any sinful human otherwise none of his Apostles can meet up with that. But all he is asking is that you do all within your ability to OBEY what you learnt from him! Mark 12:28-31
If you fail in any aspect, are you willing to make needed adjustment when someone remind you? Galatians 2:11-14

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budaatum:
One is unworthy.

But for the Grace of God who so loves one did the Lord God send the Messiah that one may hear the Word of God and accept Jesus Christ as one's Lord and Saviour. The acceptance of this free gift, believing, so to say, despite being ignorant about it, is indeed how one is saved aleluya amen, for one could be unfortunate to "not have much soil" or be "soil amongst thorns" on which the "word falls and is choked to death" bearing no fruit at all.

That belief you now have sown in you inspires you to seek to learn about your Saviour, which is done by reading the Bible; and the Bible being a big book, can not be read least one work at it (and I do not mean Sunday church reading, picking a chapter here and a verse there as many do, but from the Beginning to the End without missing a single word).

Reading, however, is the beginning of your work. One can read the Bible and believe it and be done as some do, but some will seek for an understanding of what they have read which is more work. And yet, by the Grace of God! For if Jesus Christ had not sent you the Holy Ghost and Comforter to minister to you, all your work trying to understand is work in vain!

You may be the fortunate who loves the Lord God with all your heart and soul and being and hence be given to understand the Kingdom of God. You will pick up your cross, so to speak, big and heavy, being made of very heavy timber as you will find when it is on your back and feel it's weight on you. But carry it you will, which is work. Because if you have done the work of building up what is commonly called your spiritual muscles, it would not only feel like Simon of Cyrene carries it for you, though when goodness and mercy works on your behalf it would seem so, for the Power of Christ in you will empower you to such an extent that you would be strong enough to bear your cross and the crosses of others too, which is what I see the likes of Oyedepo doing - not so much by giving bread which is as stone, but by making you a Fishers of People, which is what he does, teaching those who go on to establish in their own right. After all, see ye not his fruits?

Some may accuse me of claiming I have said here that "work justifies". But I would have you consider, justify in who's eye? Surely not in the sight of those whom darkness has overcome and who see not! And besides, "study", which is predominantly the work I have listed above, is not to be done where you are to be seen doing it least you be justified by your fellow humans and your head puff up or you be disturbed and asked to go and play instead. The work I have listed above is not done to justify you nor be justified by you as you are not the one sitting at the right hand of God judging the living and the dead, but to the Glory of the Lord God Almighty alone whom one serves.

Be wise therefore and fill not only your lamp but also your jars with that which moths cannot get at because you do not know the day or the hour when the bridegroom will arrive.

"Oro Ut Omnes Sequantur Viam Ad Veram Vitam"

though i was mistaken but i remember you being a foul mouthed atheistic b*tch . when did you catch religion?

Nice write-up but i didnt read it all. U should hav summarised it.
May read it later.

Maximus69:
Jesus never requested 100% from any sinful human otherwise none of his Apostles can meet up with that. But all he is asking is that you do all within your ability to OBEY what you learnt from him! Mark 12:28-31
If you fail in any aspect, are you willing to make needed adjustment when someone remind you? Galatians 2:11-14

Like I said, "wretched failure me despite all my hard work", and Jesus telling me in his blood shed for me upon a cross. Which is why, by God's Grace, despite all my very hard work trying and failing and "people telling me", that Jesus loves me regardless just the way the I am, and for which I am so grateful.

This piece was about increasing ones ability to understand better by the way. For while one might think one is justified by God, it remains the case that one could be [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+13%3A22-30&version=NIV]told[/url], "I don’t know you or where you come from" and be left weeping and gnashing teeth.

asalimpo:

though i was mistaken but i remember you being a foul mouthed atheistic b*tch . when did you catch religion?

You remember? The atheistic bit, I own, but personally speaking, " b*tch " was never my style, even when I was an atheist, and I so dislike being blasphemed against or not repenting when I have erred.

It would please me therefore, asalimpo, if you point me to where buda was a "foul mouthed b*tch" so that I can confess and repent.

budaatum:

You remember? The atheistic bit, I own, but personally speaking, " b*tch " was never my style, even when I was an atheist, and I so dislike being blasphemed against or not repenting when I have erred.

It would please me therefore, asalimpo, if you point me to where buda was a "foul mouthed b*tch" so that I can confess and repent.

u dont need to apologise,i hav no grudge. And it's been long forgottn.
The thread though was about a former atheist "porting" (her/his words) to christianity.

asalimpo:

u dont need to apologise,i hav no grudge. And it's been long forgottn.
The thread though was about a former atheist "porting" (her/his words) to christianity.

Link please.
For my own benefit and correction of my ways

budaatum:

Link please.
For my own benefit and correction of my ways

"correct your ways "... Save me d sanctimonious con. More like curiosity.
Like i said,search your replies to a thread with d title i mentioned or wait a while till i find it. It 's work searching it out

asalimpo:

"correct your ways "... Save me d sanctimonious con. More like curiosity.
Like i said,search your replies to a thread with d title i mentioned or wait a while till i find it. It 's work searching it out

I did search. These were the threads I found https://www.nairaland.com/5056103/thank-god-dont-port-jesus#76279200

https://www.nairaland.com/5023710/thank-god-finally-don-port/1#75742308

And from the second, you'd find I was one of the "porters" so I don't see why I'd be doing what you said I did to a fellow porter.

And yes, it is curiosity. Like I said, I don't do what you alleged I did, even when I was an atheist. And while I'm tempted at the moment, I'll refrain. If you do have the bother though, be welcome. I, would be delighted to see what you alledged because just yesterday, after posting this https://www.nairaland.com/5211738/philosophical-questions-where-did-theism#78902859
A certain shame came over me that I myself might have sounded like the person I responded to sounded. And I vowed to try really hard never to sound that way again.

So if you can be bothered I would sincerely be most grateful.

asalimpo:

"correct your ways "...

I doubt I would have had the grounds to say what I said in this thread if I went around doing exactly what I accused this person of doing.

https://www.nairaland.com/4496169/know-name-book-life/2#67526846

Do, if you can, point me to my hypocrisy.

asalimpo:

u dont need to apologise,i hav no grudge. And it's been long forgottn..

Eureka, asalimpo, I found it! After working out it must have been in response to you. Here's a link
https://www.nairaland.com/5023710/thank-god-finally-don-port/13#76900019

I see now why you wouldn't post a link! Do know that it was after I "ported". And to correct your impression that I might be "sanctimonious", and so you know my opinion of you has not changed, I'll repeat it.

You asalimpo, are very very very stupid!

Now, get the fuq off my thread!

Damn! I have never been so angry on this site in my life! "Correct my ways" my ass! I can't believe I wasted my time on a waste of space like you!

I'm still fuming so take that while your at it, from this bitch buda!

budaatum:

Eureka, asalimpo, I found it! After working out it must have been in response to you. Here's a link
https://www.nairaland.com/5023710/thank-god-finally-don-port/13#76900019

I see now why you wouldn't post a link! Do know that it was after I "ported". And to correct your impression that I might be "sanctimonious", and so you know my opinion of you has not changed, I'll repeat it.

You asalimpo, are very very very stupid!

Now, get the fuq off my thread!

Damn! I have never been so angry on this site in my life! "Correct my ways" my ass! I can't believe I wasted my time on a waste of space like you!

hmmn ... sanctimonious my ass find it nd apologise indeed! now this is your TRUE nature. I dont hav ur time,i simply pointed out tht some1 i had an encounter with was very b*tchy nd now actng born again. Budaatum, your vajina intoxicates you-if really you r a woman. Womn say, men thnk with their d*cks. Well, wmn think with their pvssies. Which is what you r doing. Notice how a dirty stinking b*tch will insult a man in real life nd d man will still take it? Like,you r doing? Y? It's a pvssy thing. Most wmn think, men hang around them for that? And eventually,most womn develop this dirty stinking insulting habit because they think they can get away with it. Just like you r doing. You brought ur b*tchiness online which is so dumb. Over here,u r just a moniker-a string of letters. Grow up nd get a brain. So what dyu think of the guy tht was jumping to ur defense? If only he knew what u really thought about him,in ur heart.

budaatum:
I'm still fuming so take that while your at it, from this bitch buda!

funny pix! I actually laughed ...
Now imagine it was a woman being flogged by d big bellied man! Feminist all over d world would not let us rest. Law suits nd all ... We live in a pvssy-whipped world. Dont u agree?
That's y a secondary school b*tch will b treatng a university graduate like trash because of d slit btwn her legs! Pvssy rules d world! Just pathetic. May God help us?

budaatum:

You remember? The atheistic bit, I own, but personally speaking, " b*tch " was never my style, even when I was an atheist, and I so dislike being blasphemed against or not repenting when I have erred.

It would please me therefore, asalimpo, if you point me to where buda was a "foul mouthed [b] b*tch" so that I can confess and repent. [/b]

- yeah, indeed!

asalimpo:
hmmn ... sanctimonious my ass find it nd apologise indeed! now this is your TRUE nature.

It is my nature towards a stupid pig like you making stupid ignorant comments about my tits for which you most definitely do not deserve any apology!

In fact, send me your address so that I can come over there and slap you so you know the extent of this sanctimoniousity you accuse me of, you ignorant stupid pig!

budaatum:

It is my nature towards a stupid pig like you making stupid ignorant comments about my tits for which you most definitely do not deserve any apology!

In fact, send me your address so that I can come over there and slap you so you know the extent of this sanctimoniousity you accuse me of, you ignorant stupid pig!

can you show where i insulted u about ur br.easts ( why dyu call it tits? Were u a former pornstr?)
and contexts sorroundng it?
On tht post,I remmber that i wasnt even tradng words with u but with another atheist. She disagreed civilly until,you,yes you- you dropped the pepper you were hawking and jumped into a matter tht didnt concern u,by first pouring insults on me-unwarranted insults.

So ... If u want to make a point nd concretize ur accussation,show d proofs.

asalimpo:


can you

I'm sure if you remember I'm a bitch you'd remember why too. I have no time for your sort you just make me sin!